Murder is wrong and the tragedy that afflicted the Lawrence family when their son Stephen was brutally killed cannot be underestimated. BUT it strikes me that the leftist media in general, and the BBC in particular, has elevated this to a level that is disproportionate to many other equally vile murders, such as that which happened t0 15 year old Kriss Donald. It does however enable them to advance their “institutional racism” meme and throw in the “institutional corruption” angle for extra points. I wonder how you view their coverage of this latest twist to the Lawrence saga?
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How much attention will Beeboids give to the horrific murder of white man Lee Rigby by two Islamic jihadists in 21 years time, and will Beeboids then speculate as to why security for British people from such attacks was inadequate?
Will Andrew Young, who had the audacity to question a pavement using cyclist still be remembered in 21 years time? Will his mother receive a life peerage in 20 years time? Nah, she’s unable to start a campaign against racism, as we know it only works one way, her voice would be a voice in the wilderness.
As far as racism goes, the continual over exposure of this case by the MSM and the bBC is doing nothing other than stoking more racial tension, high time his family allowed him to rest in peace.
I follow the news very closely, but hadn’t heard of this murder until posted on a FB group this morning, comparing it’s low-profile with that of St.Stephen
http://news.sky.com/story/1212924/dean-mayley-killing-cctv-of-suspects-released
The BBC do not make a big issue of the many black on white killings because in their view the victims were not killed ‘because of their colour’. White deaths are of little consequence, it would be ‘racist’ to draw attention to too much black crime.
Corrected
Date: 20th May 2064
Investigations by the parliamentary audit committee reveal, that the panel investigating the committee, investigating the inquiry, investigating the internal audit, looking at the Lawrence murder inquiry, was seriously flawed, and institutionally racist.
The government intends to setup a new panel of independent jurists from Lesotho to allay any fears of institutional racism.
I’m sure there have been a number of murders of Whites by Blacks, non-Whites or Muslims, where race or religion has been a key determinant, and yet not much is made of this. Its time to let go.
Date: 20th May 2064
Investigations by the parliamentary audit committee reveal that the panel investigation the committee, investigating the inquiry investigation the internal audit looking at the Lawrence murder inquiry, was seriously flawed, and institutionally racist.
The government intends to setup a new panel of independent jurists from Lesotho to allay any fears of institutional racism.
I’m sure there have been a number of murders of Whites by Blacks, non-Whites or Muslims, where race or religion has been a key determinant, and yet not much is made of this. Its time to let go.
BBC correspondent mugged by black attacker uses stock photo of white man in handcuffs
David Vance,
“BUT it strikes me that the leftist media in general, and the BBC in particular, has elevated this to a level that is disproportionate to many other equally vile murders, such as that which happened t0 15 year old Kriss Donald.”
The current story isn’t about the murder of Stephen Lawrence. Neither is it about accusations of institutional racism.
It’s about certain members of the Metropolitan Police being found to be corrupt (or in other words – dishonest, untrustworthy and deceitful) in the full knowledge of their superiors.
Something apparently far too complicated to understand for the regulars at B-BBC.
On the contrary, it looks like even the bBBC’s own report is apparently far too complicated to understand for a regular troll.
The Ellison report … found:
Evidence of corruption by Det Sgt John Davidson, one of the officers who investigated the Stephen Lawrence murder.
No evidence of corruption by other officers
Contrary to Dez’s assertion, the report is not about certain members of the Metropolitan Police being found to be corrupt. It is only the bBBC and Lawrence’s money-grabbing lawyer who are trying to talk it up into institutional corruption.
Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling.
“…No evidence of corruption by other officers”
Erm, what you are failing to mention is that evidence of corruption was kept hidden by the police and that an internal report just mysteriously vanished never to be seen again. But perhaps you are right and it was just one corrupt Police Detective Sergeant.
Strange neither you nor anybody else on this thread thought that worthy of comment?
But no matter – obviously something about; “another half-caste chav” is far more important.
There was not “institutional corruption of the Met..” End of.
There was institutional perversion at the BBC. End of.
I read the Macpherson report and I could not understand how they came to the conclusion of ‘Institutional Racism’ when they only looked at the ONE case. Even May looks like she is using the Lawrence affair to cow tow the police and get her reforms through. It is really a political football.
MacPherson had that conclusion before writing a word; that was the whole point of it: Macpherson and Scarman are two of the reasons the police force is now the police service.
I found this 2007 article. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CF4QFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fsol%2Fhomepage%2Fnews%2F57210%2FLawrence-cop-took-bung.html&ei=5gQbU8O1KobY7AbhzYCQAQ&usg=AFQjCNH_-kWMrJlDiF0baYRJCanu99l52g
So it is being used to rake over the coals as corrupt Davidson has been known about for many years.
The answer to many queries is NO. No Lee Rigby will not be remembered in 21 years time, No Andrew Young will not be remembered in 21 years time & no not one more horrendous murder will be remembered in 21 years time, unless a mother & father fight the police, media and justice system for 21 years to ensure the crime is investigated, exposed and true justice is brought against the murders and the people who have protected the guilty. Today we are still be exposed to the lies by those who were meant to protect the innocent. This case would not have been in the forefront of any news station if the Lawrence’s didn’t fight for 21 years. So if Lee Rigby, Andrew Young, and any case involving police corruption wants to be remembered in 21 years time, we will have to fight the media, MP, justice system, for it to be highlighted as and when new evidence arise. I remember the the Moors Murderers would have not been remembered for there vile crimes if it was not for a mother fighting for the right to find out we’re they buried her son. Now she has died we do not remember the anniversary of his death/disappearance. It easy for us to say the news is interested in these case, when in fact they would fade and die if not fought for.
I think the key here is the media and to a lesser degree politicians. If the media do not pick up a story or an issue then it will gain no momentum, no matter how long campaigners complain. The media have the power to kill a story stone dead. They also have the power to keep it going. As for the Moors murders those crimes will forever remain in the memory of those alive at the time because of the horrific nature of the crimes. People really didn’t need to be reminded – though I think the campaign of Lord Longford on behalf of Myra Hindley kept the matter in the news for many years.
I don’t know the complexities surrounding the case, nor do i pretend to. However, what i have noticed, not only from the BBC, but from Sky too, is the incessant left-wing garbage inflicted on an audience that expects the facts of a story to be conveyed in an impartial manner. A left-leaning approach is to be expected from the BBC, but even in this case it’s become excessive and politically motivated. It’s almost as if the BBC are trying to stoke racial tensions within the community, as witnessed across the globe with the Trayvon Martin case.
There have been countless, unprovoked racial murders that have barely been covered by the BBC, yet they treat this as if there has been no greater sin on Earth committed.
Despite not knowing, nor wanting to know what it feels like for a family member to be killed, i can’t help but feel that Doreen has pursued and sabotaged the inquiry to promote her own selfish agenda. The tragic thing is, the BBC have been complicit in her pursuit to tarnish the police force to comply with their twisted mantra.
For the sake of future generations, scrap this behemoth now!
‘I don’t know the complexities surrounding the case, nor do i pretend to. ‘
Should have left it at that.
Although you admit that you know nothing about the facts, you go on to say the story is presented in a left-wing manner, that Doreen Lawrence has sabotaged the inquiry, and that the BBC is complicit in this.
But you admit you know nothing about the facts.
Then 103 people liked your post. Ignorance is bliss – there are a lot of very blissful people on this site.
This site is nothing more than a racist site filled with bigots; sad, pathetic, old, white men filled with hate and bile who spend their days seeking the company of other embittered old impotent white men. I pity you living out your empty lives. I pity your wives and your children.
Well as an example of hate filled bile I think your contribution and impotent squealing does extremely well .
No. My heart is not full of hate. That is where we are different. My heart is full of compassion for you. It saddens me that people are so full of anger and hate, that your lives are empty. It saddens me that old people will die without knowing true love.
If you could see the true way then you would leave behind your anger and hatred and your lives would be filled with joy and love.
We are all impotent in the eyes of the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Really? You do a good impersonation of one who is.
PS: I don’t a pass yet.
PPS: If you want to share love and compassion and confront hate I suggest you have a look at some left wing blog sites. Share the love with them.
That should be “don’t need a bus pass”.
‘No. My heart is not full of hate. That is where we are different. My heart is full of compassion for you. It saddens me that people are so full of anger and hate, that your lives are empty. It saddens me that old people will die without knowing true love.’
Strewth, he’s back….
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=they're+coming+to+take+me+away+ha-haaa
spare us the morality lecture, it’s beyond embarassing
Yes embarrassing in the way a fundamentalist mid west TV evangelist is. Bet he/she is a hypocrite as well.
“white men”
That’s interesting. How do you know?
Why do you think all of us are men?
“institutional corruption”
The police did not kill Stephen Lawrence. Members of the medical profession, however, have killed hundreds if not thousands. Harold Shipman, a doctor, is our most prolific serial killer so far. Stafford Hospital is notorious.
The situation surrounding at least some of these deaths must have been known to colleagues yet, somehow, the profession has escaped being described as institutionally dangerous or corrupt.
Not saying that the police are perfect, far from it. I believe that their priorities are highly suspect in many instances. However, outside parliament, it is one of the few careers which involves dealing with people on a daily basis who are dangerous, dishonest, corrupt, manipulative, drunk, drugged or just spoiling for a fight. I couldn’t do it.
Absolutely, policing is a tough job, for some, they meet that 1-2% of the population say 98% of the time. Somethings bound to give. Coupled with our useless, left-leaning judicial system, greedy lawyers, and to watch a good ‘collar’ go free on a whim must be galling and make you cynical. No, i couldn’t do it, i’d fit up every scumbag i could.
In fairness to the BBC, this story dominated the front pages of a number of newspapers this morning.
I feel terrible saying this but, to be honest, I don’t really care about Stephen Lawrence. Or, at any rate, I don’t care any more about him than I do about any other murder victim. So why does the mass media appear to “care” so much? And why are victims like poor Kriss Donald and Charlene Downes ignored?
Then there are the hundreds of victims of “Asian” grooming gangs. No-one seems to “care” very much about them, either.
I can only speculate as to the reasons behind this. I fear things won’t end well.
“BUT it strikes me that the leftist media in general, and the BBC in particular,………………………….”
Yep, that damned “leftist” media led by the Daily Mail:
“It has long been known that Neville and Doreen Lawrence were terribly betrayed by a Metropolitan Police force which abysmally failed to investigate their son’s murder properly because he was black.”
“Indeed it was only after a remorseless campaign by this newspaper – which on its front page identified the five men who treated the law with contempt as ‘murderers’ – that two of Stephen’s racist killers were brought to justice in 2012, two decades after their crime, with further arrests still possible.”
“Yet – 15 years after the Macpherson Inquiry labelled the Met ‘institutionally racist’ – the force’s conduct in what is surely the most shameful episode in its history continues to shock.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2575298/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Lawrence-vital-role-free-Press.html
Fuck off to the rock you previously inhabited whilst the Harman/PIE story was out
Obviously the facts as opposed to David’s bias upset you. Here is more from the “leftist media” on “institutional corruption” .
“Doreen Lawrence wants ‘heads to roll’ at the Met after revelations officers spied on her”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575488/Doreen-Lawrence-wants-heads-roll-Met-revelations-officers-spied-her.html
No , your selective BBC-esque choice of when and to which items that suit your paymasters agenda upset me. Plus our £145 to fund your trolling.
There may have been a lot of institutional racism in the Met – but is part of that because the Met is on the front line of the social problems that are often concentrated in black areas ?
But nothing justifies the BBC’s attempts to say that the Met was institutionally corrupt. There is a degree of corruption in every police force in the world, it is in the nature of the beast – but the Met is no more corrupt than, say, the BBC.
And are certainly far less prone to twisting the “facts” to suit a political agenda than the BBC.
“Doreen Lawrence”? shame on you Allbum … don t you know she s a life peer now … Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon, OBE to you, have some respect.
If she wasn t so busy meeting with her teams of lawyers and the media to discuss their next move, she d definitely tick you off .
sorry … there might have been some modicum of concern over this 20 odd years ago … but the galling “Lawrence” industry … has ensured that has long dissipated
Good point, Alan – where the f*** was he? We need to know.
Labourman Sorry Alberman your back! How many black on black or white on black murders have been committed since Stephen Lawrence. Why is the Lawrence murder taking so much of our attention – because its a white on black murder.
…because its a white on black murder
To be honest that has never really been proven and the legal acrobatics and illegal activity allowed as evidence to get a conviction beggars belief.
Sad that I have to do this but here’s a start, and all it took was a copy&paste from Wiki:
* murdered in a racist attack
* fallout included profound cultural changes to attitudes on racism and the police
* changes to law and police practice
* the partial revocation of double jeopardy laws
* five suspects were arrested but not convicted
* 1994 private prosecution
* original acquittal of 1 suspect quashed by the Court of Appeal
* Mail’s headline ‘Murderers: The Mail accuses these men of killing’
* a cold case review, allowed 2 of those suspects to stand trial.
* 2 convicted in what the judge described as a “terrible and evil crime”.
* 2013 revelations about undercover police conduct
* Ellison report prompts an inquiry into undercover policing.
Or is it cos he’s black?
The only reason the Mail ran with this is because Paul Dacre, the paper’s editor, was having his house decorated by Neville Lawrence and met Stephen face to face. When Dacre worked out who the murder victim was he spoke with the Lawrences and agreed to run the campaign.
Without going into too much detail, the concept of Institutional racism, as outlined by MacPherson, is highly suspect and I certainly would not want to use that as a stick to beat the Met with. This is not about the institutional racism of segregation in the US which was combated during the sixties. MacPherson’s version of institutional, racism challenges the idea that police inquiries should operate in an atmosphere of colour blindness, regarding individuals as equal under the law. This, however, smacks of institutional racism because it does not include awareness of different cultures.
Sigh, what remains largely unreported is that there was NO evidence of racism in the investigation of Lawrence’s death (if you disagree then please explain why). But it didn’t stop the police being branded institutionally racist and our entire public sector remodelled on the bogus findings of the MacPherson report. The report was no more than a show trial akin to something Stalin would have approved of.
I can choose not to buy the Daily Mail if I do not like their reporting. Though I can also choose to ignore BBC broadcasts I am forced by criminal law to support them financially if I decide to watch ANY broadcast from ANY broadcaster as they are shown.
You miss the point completely. Deliberately I suspect.
Was it really ‘waycism’ or was it the fact that yet another corrupt copper wanted to protect someone he knew / was distantly related to who was a suspect and would have done the same regardless of who the victim was?
It can only be racism if someone receive different treatment on account of their race, receiving shitty treatment which most of us get from the police, of itself is not discrimination if that’s what everyone gets.
Macpherson was bullied into writing the report the way he did by the corrupt nu Liebour government I have no confidence in anything they did being accurate representative or fair. Do you deny that BLiar is a war criminal Albaman?
Exactly. There was corruption in the handling of the case by a specific officer. That does not equate either with racism or with “institutional corruption”.
Apparently some Beeboid supporters like the ‘Daily Mail’ on Lawrence, but not the ‘Daily Mail’ on Harman, which Beeboids censor.
The DM’s approach to this murder was down to Paul Dacre, for reasons explained at the time.
Its my opinion that the Globalist media, led by Queen Beeb, are using the Lawrence case to push an agenda of full on positive discrimination in the Met and ultimately the police acrosss the country.
The police are still ethnically British, and the globalists HATE this, and are concerned that when, and if, there is civil unrest the police will not turn on the ethnic British with the viciousness the Globalists want to see. They want us policed by aliens who have no empathy with the native British.
True most of the police are still ethnically British, but most of them are now brainwashed, politicised, aggressively leftwing armed social workers , only too happy to take the side of criminals , and even helped to cover up the muslim grooming gangs who preyed upon white children.
They even arrest those who have the temerity to defend themselves in their own homes.
So brainwashed by ‘diversity’ training that they spent the first evening of the last riots just stood there watching as inner-city savages looted and burnt entire neighbourhoods.
The Daily Mail is simply showing ‘balanced reporting’ – as the BBC should. It’s not ‘right wing’, it has no political agenda, its just out to sell papers.
Stephen Lawrence
Bloody Sunday
Hillsborough
There is a pattern here, bash the public services aimed at protecting us, led by the media and assisted by politicians.
Personally I am sick of listening to all of the above but without these, how would retired judges and peers earn the extra cash?
You are right. There is a pattern, but the pattern is that of incompetence and cover-up by those we trust to uphold and implement the laws of the land.
Indeed.
But the indignation is very selective. A conservative is not surprised to discover that agencies of the State are self-interested, if not actually corrupt, and that a free press helps to hold them to account, but both of these beliefs are rejected by the Left.
A bigger and more powerful State is the Labour Party answer to every problem, and the BBC hate a free press, especially when it exposes the fat cats of the (BBC) Leftist establishment.
The Left are institutionally racist and always have been as far as I can see in historical terms. Engels thought that the Slavs should be exterminated because they are racially inferior.
Talk to a Leftist for more than five minutes and you will discover that they are deeply racist. They judge Obama mainly by the colour of his skin.
And then prosecute US when we defend ourselves!
Blacks eh? And on tv too.
Is that supposed to be an argument?
This dude in South Africa that shot his girlfiend. Would hardly merit a mention if he had legs.
Bloody leftist bbc.
It’s quite simple, Retired Peer. He is a celebrity of sorts and she was a supermodel. The BBC being celeb/glamour obsessives have to run this story or die. It’s in their DNA. Had they both been “ordinary people” the BBC would never have mentioned it.
That story, if memory serves, arose and hit the headlines just before the Football World Cup in South Africa and it served the narrative at the time both to portray certain Sth African cities as crime infested, and to portray the South African police in a good light.
Whether he did it or not I don’t know, I haven’t really been following the case, but that’s how it seemed at the time.
Again the press swarm over the Lawrence case. Personally the problem I have with is the complete lack of reporting on cases like the horrific murder of Kriss Donald. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald Lee Rigby and all the others. All these cases get a quick mention, or they are not mentioned at all. At the time I wasn’t even aware of what had happened to Kriss Donald. There are a few cases that have happened recently and then just evaporated in the media I have no idea what the outcome was/is. So when I see Stephen Lawrence’s Father having a go at the Metropolitan Police 3 times in the space of an hour or so on breakfast all I think is why not report on the other cases. You can all make your own minds up on why the media are apparently reluctant to widen their stories on these murders.
Another shocker, Mary Ann Leneghan:
The night terror came to town
At least the BBC has covered it on its web site, but nothing since. Gone, forgotten.
Yes, a sickening case. Not deemed to be politically sensitive though – just another bout of ordinary depravity that consumed some little people as victims in the process.
And the black killer of Kriss Donald has a wretched mother who said it was no big deal to kill another person…..words fail me. So, in that case, wait for her son to come out, then stab the bastard in front of her…..see if she still thinks it’s no big deal then……stupid, cruel bitch, no wonder her son has turned out like he has.
Sorry, got the wrong story here, silly me. Reject please.
The story i was really on about, mixed up the victims name, was the black punching the poor guy who told off the guys black friend cycling on the pavement, getting a haymaker for his trouble, which killed him. It was that punchers mother who said, ‘no big deal about killing someone’……sad, but indicative of the attitude of a lot of people.
It’s in their culture.
Just last week, another half-caste chav whose son killed a white man dismissed his crime as ‘no big deal’.
In a display of callous indifference, Sherron O’Hagan said she did not know ‘what all the fuss was about’.
Her son Lewis Gill killed Andrew Young with a single punch in an unprovoked attack captured on CCTV.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568819/Killing-man-Its-no-big-deal-As-Attorney-General-deluged-calls-increase-sentence-sneer-mother-thug-punched-Aspergers-sufferer.html
Another pointless “judge led” enquiry.
Sadly it will not get to the bottom of the major problems we have with the upper echelons of the police or their trade union – The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO).
I get the feeling that even the Lawrence family are beginning to think that enough is enough.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is not a trade union. It is actually a private company, registration number 3344583 and operates on a purely commercial basis (mainly flogging information about motorists from the PNC).
The propaganda doesn’t stop. Now his mother wants to dictate how the Met Police is run. The bBBC parrots her every word.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26479407
To prove a point here is a case that until I looked around on the internet following my post a few minutes ago I had no knowledge about what so ever. Certainly I haven’t heard this case being splashed over the media every 6 months.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ross_Parker
The BBC do not do reality they do agenda. The Lawrence case fits that agenda. The whole case is appalling and it is with justification treated as a scandal, but so are many other cases which the BBC ignores.
All sources of information have an agenda. Isn’t that what Leftists learn in Media Studies classes? The BBC are a tax funded job creation scheme for middle class socialists, but they justify their gob stuffing with the argument that it is important in world historical terms (as opposed to important in personal bank account terms) to flood the country with tax funded Leftist crap, because if there was a plurality of sources of information, there would be a danger that people might make up their own minds.
You can predict what the BBC are going to talk about, who they are going to talk about it with, and what conclusions they are going to draw. You are not meant to learn anything about the world (as a rule Leftists are as ignorant as they are sanctimonious) it is about acquiring correct attitudes.
A correct attitude is anything which serves the interests of middle class leftists. If you want to find out about contemporary Britain you would be better off reading the Dando than relying on anything manufactured and supplied by the BBC.
The BBC are not in the reality business, nor do they have to be, because you are forced to pay for them whatever they do, and that little arrangement suits them just fine. If you are a Stalinist what is not to like?
Does anybody for one moment think that the current campaign over the loss of BBC Three is not self-interested tosh? They BBC (and the Left generally) are just totalitarian twats.
Forget the politically correct mantra of every kid or teenager that has been murdered in the U.K over the past thirty years or so…
I am so sick of the BBC and their leftists friends slobbering on about the Steven Lawrence case at every given opportunity, I’ve become allergic to the very name “Lawrence” and instinctively groan whenever the name is mentioned these days….Yes, it was disgusting how he died, but how many people have been slain under similar circumstances thereafter?
Christ, you give the left a self righteous “wayse hait” bone to chew, and they’ll never give it up annoying people to the point of nausea..
The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a gift to the fascists. The reason is that so few FACTs are known, so it’s possible to hand every single one of their sick prejudices on this case.
No one really knows what happened that day, the words of Duwayne Brooks have been accepted by the fascists as Gospel truth despite neither the Police nor the Lawrence family having any trust in him.
The other issue appears to be that a corrupt Police officer prevented investigation into the case because one of the suspects was a family friend/member, not as the fascists have claimed because of racism.
In the other cases equally disgraceful such as Kriss Donald, the facts are clear. The Police investigated and the murderers were brought to what is laughing called ‘justice’. The Murder of Kriss Donald was far worse than that of Stephen Lawrence as he was kidnapped and tortured by openly racist Muslims prior to his murder. There is no evidence to suggest that the person who stabbed Lawrence intended to kill him, therefore manslaughter might be a better description.
The people found guilty of the ‘murder’ were given a nu Lieour Blairite trial where the outcome was a forgone conclusion. Too much political capital was invested for BLiar & crew to allow it to fail. Ancient law was changed just so the people previously found innocent could be convicted on the flimsiest of evidence – evidence similar to that which convicted Colin Stagg, later proved unreliable.
The other issue is the lack of other similar assaults and attacks on black people, which would be expected if a gang of racist murderers were on the rampage in London. A single attack with murder in mind just out of the blue one day two black kids happened to be waiting for a bus? Seriously? How likely is that without any kind of escalation first ? This is the testimony of Duwayne Brooks and why it’s so difficult to believe.
Yes it is unacceptable and yes the BBC are massively biased, no they haven’t asked the vital questions about whether Brooks told the truth, and what might possibly have happened if he wasn’t. But no their mindset is fixed, try to question it and you will see the full intolerant thuggery that only the left is capable of.
Good comments.
I find it strange that the police bugged the flat of one of the accused but heard no reference whatsoever to the murder. It only proved that they were obnoxious, which we knew already.
I think the Lawrence murder is the “Deptford Fire” cause that the Left was deprived of. Not for want of trying though.
What is the point of BBC “local” news (ie “news where you are”)? Last night at 10:25 in London, after, what, 30-40% of the national news had been devoted to the police corruption atrocity the London news led on – you guessed it – Stephen Lawrence. BTW please recall that, whoever murdered Stephen, it wasn’t a policeman nor, as far as we know, had his murder been plotted at Scotland Yard although you’d be forgiven for thinking in such terms had you relied on the BBC reportage last night (or, to be fair, the MSM reports this morning)
I know this is the (London) Metropolitan Police we’re talking about and, yes, Stephen was murdered in London apparently by Londoners but this is already national news. In news terms there is now no aspect of this cause célèbre which can be deemed “local”: there certainly was no additional info in the “local” coverage last night which added to the earlier “national” coverage. This was just an excuse for the BBC to prolong its signature “cry me a river” mock-indignation reporting and revel in the Home Secretary’s decision to extend this affair sine die via another inquiry. Blimey, even Neville thinks that might be excessive although I suspect that Imran Khan must have been (quietly) satisfied yesterday at the prospect of the flow of moolah (for legal services dontcha know) and publicity continuing indefinitely into the future.
You want to see lousy local telly ? come up to Yorkshire. The 2 local stations are obsessed with the coming of the grand depart of the tour de france later this year. The only good coming out of it is that all the potholes are being sorted once and for all. Millions being spent ,hours and hours airtime pushing the cycling lobby all for a 30 second drive-by.
Mark Easton, the BBC Home Editor, expressed the belief that the murder of Kriss Donald was a counterexample of the necessary conditions of ‘prejudice plus power’ in racially motivated crime. In so doing he implies he believes Kriss Donald was powerful while his murders were powerless. He also implies Kriss’ murderers lacked ‘prejudice’ even though they were convicted of racially aggravated murder. This false belief could have arisen due to false generalisation of power upon race – because Kriss was white. (emphasis mine)
The above is taken from the Wikipedia article on the murder of Kriss Donald, specifically relating to comments made by Mark Easton – the BBC’s Home Editor. This is another example of the belief held by many that black people cannot be racist because they are black, which is what Jo Brand was reported to have said recently.
Maybe theBBC could start a petition to appoint Mrs Donald to the House of Lords?
I believe they’re using the Marxist definition of racism.
If I ever find myself being tortured, I sincerely hope that my torturers are not prejudiced.
Get your sick-bag, or preferably a bucket, ready if you want to watch Jo Brand saying that blacks can’t be racist against white people.
Funny, no Dez or Albaman reply to ‘Englishman’.
Wonder why?
the left wing white middle class controlled media including the guardian etc and the bbc are just not interested in black on white or asian on murder or crime,why the hell that is i dont know but this is causing alot of alienation and upset in mainly the white working class communitys who live in the big citys with large immigrant populations which i do to when it comes to reverse racism,it is as if we are third class citixens in are own country,no demos by the uaf on behalf of white victims of racist murders and assualts i have noticed,kriss donald is a perfect example of that,i am sorry but i am get quite sick of the way the left wing groups are using the lawrwence murder as a cause celebre to further there own leftist anti police agenda,but can i leave you on this note which i find disgusting,the same left wing groups who campaigned on behalf of stephen lawrence and there family are standing outside the old bailey with there megaphones and swp placards screaming and shouting the innocence of nicky jacobs who is standing trial for the murder of pc blakelock who was hacked to death by a 20 stong black mob in the broadwater farm riots in 1985.keith blakelocks family and relatives have to walk past these sick left wing scum screaming and shouting everyday outside the old bailey,if keith blacklock was black and the attackers was white these vile leftists would not be there.that is for sure.
It suits the Left to pander to a “victim” mentality [by which I mean if you fail you blame somebody else for your own failings] because a “grievance” approach destroys a culture of self-reliance in which you take responsibility for your own actions.
A nanny State (which is created for the benefit of those who run not those it supposedly serves) produces dependents. The Labour Party is a squalid little arrangement in which the “I want” take from the “I create” and call it social justice. They have to put the word “justice” in that phrase because otherwise you might confuse it with theft. All Socialism is essentially theft. It is motivated by envy and a bottomless sense of entitlement.
http://www.demotix.com/news/4083161/nicky-jacobs-protest-old-bailey-london#media-4083112..total disrespect for keith blakelocks family
And in the USA:-
“Welcome to Black History Month 2014”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/colin-flaherty/welcome-to-black-history-month-2014/
In Black History Month do they teach that it is only the “whites” who abolished slavery or is it really White Hate Month?
Black history month when the BBC will run a programme about the contribution of the black community in the fields of Art, Literature, Nuclear Physics , Medicine ,Chemistry ,Economics , Technology ,and …..er………RAP MUSIC!!!!
Anyone want to place a bet on the bBC ‘comedy’ department being full of Stephen Lawrence? I can just hear the desperately unfunny ‘now’ show with upper middle class lefties venting their fury at the breeze.
It is all BBC Three amounts to end the end – we have a bag of cash and if you express the appropriate political views we can give you a platform for your comedy.
So where did the BBC get all this power and patronage? Oh yes a compulsory tax. So much for a free society.
All this stuff about setting new quality benchmarks is just lies, it is about supplying lowest common denominator fare with an approved political message. Innovation and challenging the status quo is precisely what BBC Three is against.
The obscene over exposure of this case has long ago exhausted any sympathy I once had for the Lawrence family. I’m not callous by nature but as soon as I see the all too familiar photo of Stephen I turn off. I have to wonder what motivates our national broadcaster to constantly promote this absurd consensus that black people are the victims of racist crime. In twenty years there can’t be more than a handful of blacks that have been murdered, mugged, raped, set fire to by the indigenous people of our island. Perhaps that’s why the Beeb constantly hark back to a brutal murder that occurred 21 years ago and yet fail to properly report one that happened last week.
One white-on-black murder 20 odd years ago. Since then no-go areas have developed on our streets, high levels of gun and knife attacks, white flight of folks sensibly leaving the inner-cities, and probably hundreds of ethnic-on-white killings.
Seems to me that the net ‘benefit’ of multiculturalism has largely been crime. And some different fast food take-away options!
Errr how do you know it was a white on black murder? There’s only Duwayne Brooks word on that. For all we know it could be just another black – black drug deal gone wrong and Brooks unwilling to admit the truth blames whitey, and boy did it make him rich!
I, for one, and sick to the death of hearing about the Stephen Lawrence murder. yes it was terrible, but how many black on white murders have we had recently…. I wonder if Lee Rigby’s parents will be allowed into the House of Lords, I wonder if the Rigby family will be getting interviews on Channel 4 and the BBC in twenty years’ time? No, I’m afraid it is yet more Marxist indoctrination aimed at brainwashing the X Factor deadhead TV addicts into believing that we are all still right-wing English fascists!
Surely we must be approaching the point, if we haven’t got there already, where references to the SL case, or the latest whine from “Mother of the Murdered Teenager” , become counter productive?
I’m getting the impression (not just here) that the attitude of many ordinary people is hardening against this family.
Racism just ain’t what it used to be.
Duane Brooks abandoned his friend Stephen Lawrence to his fate, would not co-operate with the police, and is now a Lewisham Councillor. Do you guys not get this, it’s a race-hustler gravy train, the same train that got Obama elected.
Why did 12 years a Slave get made, let alone an oscar? Race-grievance mongering is big business, gets people a fortune they could not make any other way. Funded by the “public sector” which has no money of its own, only what they take off you.
London Calling,
“Why did 12 years a Slave get made, let alone an oscar? Race-grievance mongering is big business, gets people a fortune they could not make any other way.”
Certain people said exactly the same thing about Schindler’s List. Care to explain how your argument is in any way different to theirs?
Because, Dez, the Left’s version of slavery begins and ends with the white man in the dock.
Oh, sorry – did I say ‘ends’? It’s the gift that keeps on giving…
The director of 12 Years a Slave dedicated his Oscar to the 21 million people held in slavery today. Have the bBBC explained who they are, and who their slave-masters are? Is anyone making a film about them?
Rhetorical questions I know; because those 21 million aren’t victims of white-black racism, the lefties don’t care.
Maybe BBC-NUJ wants the world’s slaves to continue coming to Britain as part of its open-door, mass immigration policy.
As BBC-NUJ knows, there are plenty of slaves in U.K now:-
“Modern day slavery in the UK”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25048307
“Why I won’t be watching The Butler and 12 Years a Slave.
“As a black person, I can honestly say I am exhausted and bored with these kinds of ‘dramatic race’ films.”
By Orville Lloyd Douglas.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/why-im-not-watching-the-butler-12-years-a-slave
Only a black person would be allowed to say that in the Guardian, but at least it’s more than you get on the BBC.
And Mr Duwayne “Who called you fucking cunts anyway, pigs” Brooks finally got £100, 000 out of the Met.
indeed, clearly distraught and hoping for a quick arrest of the culprits?…not.
This London court case has nothing to do with Lawrence, so why should BBC-NUJ mention it?
“Algerian illegal immigrant, 42, sexually assaulted eight-year-old girl in Madame Tussauds gift shop… then claimed asylum after he was arrested in bid to avoid deportation”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574895/Algerian-asylum-seeker-42-sexually-assaulted-eight-year-old-girl-Madame-Tussauds-gift-shop-looked-mothers-birthday-present.html#ixzz2vKKuxbOE
Can any person in the history of the world have profited more from the death of their son than Baroness Doreen Lawrence?
People will say this is racist but I would say the same for a white person.
Please , in future put baroness in inverted commas !!
A good analysis of Macpherson by Theodore Dalrymple:
A Modern Witch Trial
Yes, one of the best.
Macpherson is the root of a real deterioration in tghe enforcement of “law and order” in the streets of London.
This entire thread is based on complete ignorance and stupidity.
All you need to do is read a book on news values, and a bit on the case itself, and you’ll have the answers to any of the points made.
Of course, a lot of you just don’t accept, or want to hear about, the racially motivated murder of a black person.
I think you have just broken the record for how many times someone has missed a point.
“a lot of you just don’t accept, or want to hear about, the racially motivated murder of a black person.”
Of course we “accept” it. Nobody has said otherwise. What we object to is constantly being reminded of it to the exclusion of all others, including those involving torture (eg: Kriss Donald or Mary Ann Leneghan).
Your one sided reaction is typical, and a large part of the problem.
Joshaw
The likes of nobz/mustaqueem aren’t interested in what you have to say. They just come on this site to abuse those who hold opposite views to their own. Think of them as a trolling QT lefty mob and you have them tapped. As closed minded as the people they seek to challenge.
Surely the difference between the Stephen Lawrence murder and Kris Donald is that the gang that murdered Kris Donald were caught, prosecuted and are now in jail. If my memory serves me correctly, didn’t they extradite people from Pakistan. It was done quickly and, quite rightly, no expense was spared.
Contrast the response to that murder with that of Stephen Lawrence where it took 20 years to achieve a prosecution. As the inquiry found, the Lawrence investigation was incompetent and basic police procedures were not followed. Other investigations have found evidence of corruption — the latest being the revelations that an undercover unit tried to smear the Lawrence family.
Whether or not you think the police are “institutionally racist” (I am not sure I understand what that means) there is a very big difference between how the Kris Donald murder was handled and the Stephen Lawrence murder.
Nobz said: “Of course, a lot of you just don’t accept, or want to hear about, the racially motivated murder of a black person.”
He’s talking about the murder itself, and that is the point I addressed. The police did not murder SL.
Torture is normally taken very seriously and the possibility of it being part of a wider problem is normally considered at the very least. Not when the victim is white, apparently.
“Surely the difference between the Stephen Lawrence murder and Kris Donald is that the gang that murdered Kris Donald were caught, prosecuted and are now in jail.”
Fair point. But as I understand it the issue being addressed on this site is how the BBC reports (or does not report) such crimes. Are you claiming that there the BBC does not have a political agenda in what and how it reports? That is the nub of the issue.
Danny
The reason that convictions in the Lawrence case were so long in coming has nothing to do with police incompetence They have been equally incompetent in scores of other cases before and since that have resulted in conviction. No the reason is that there was so little evidence against the accused .
It was made even harder to by the need to establish a clear racist motive. The police bugged the defendants homes, even as I remember with concealed video equipment ,in an attempt to get evidence to the fact that Lawrence was targeted purely because of his race. But, despite Nobz (head?) assertion, never found it.
I think the first conviction came as a result of a police officer harassing one of the defendants until he threw a cup of cold coffee at him outside Eltham train station
Then the double jeopardy law was abolished to allow another attempt at conviction ( yes I know an entirely different case was used as a stalking horse but every one knew then and now where the impetus came from)
Finally conviction was gained by use of very dubious forensic evidence
In any other case human rights lawyers would be screaming about kangaroo courts and the states abuse of power
Kris Donaldson’s killers, on the other hand, were caught literally red handed
That’s not to say the accused are Innocent of any crime, but had the the race element not be exaggerated by the liberal inquisition for ideological reasons , they would have been convicted of man slaughter long ago ( And I don’t think that right either)
The reason we keep visiting this crime over and over is because ‘KKK’ style race murders are virtually unheard of .
In fact the appear to exist only in the seething minds of people like Mustaqueem and Nobz (if they are different people) whereas the more common black on white murders go unremarked upon by the BBC or the liberal inquisition.
You can try Danny, but to be honest, you’re pissing in the wind. They don’t want to hear it.
I’d also add that when the convictions came through on theKriss Donald case there was a sudden deluge of coverage. Much of it pre-prepared. There were legal restrictions in place until the verdict came in.
I am troubled by the Macpherson report because, ironically, it makes the same logically fallacious argument that is repeatedly made on this site.
If the Met Police were racist it would behave in a certain way; the Met Police behaved in that way, ergo the Met Police is racist (for this site substitute “BBC” for “Met Police” and “biased” for “racist”).
The argument is true if, and only if, the only plausible explanation for the consequent is the one posited.
Perhaps uncomfortably, many of the people on this site are logical bedfellows of Sir William Macpherson.
Contrast the Lee Rigby and Stephen Lawrence cases: the Rigby case had barely gone through the courts than the BBC was wheeling out apologists and excusers for the murder like Begg and Chowdhury. No such opposing views in the Lawrence case.
Coverage of Lee Rigby’s murder was quite rightly sympathetic to him and his family. Living in a democracy, I’d like to hear from Islamic extremists please. And I don’t want you or anyone else telling me I can’t. I’m a grown up you see.
Wha opposing view would you wantto hear from in the Stephen Lawrence case? White supremacists justifying the murder of black men? The two aren’t comparable.
I want to hear challenges as clear and experienced as Theodore Dalrymple to the ludicrous Macpherson conclusion that the Met was institutionally racist. I want to hear opposing views arguing that it is an even bigger nonsense to extend the “institutional racism” charge to “institutional corruption”.
In other words – I want some degree of proper debate. I do not want to be forced to pay for the BBC pushing only one side of the matter.
“White supremacists justifying the murder of black men?”
Except there’s still no evidence that was the motivation in the Lawrence case. Despite,as you have confirmed in a previous post, desperate efforts by the liberal establishment to prove it (emmanuel goldstein would have got a fairer trial)
But you cant except that because it undermines your narrative.You are desperate to find an English ‘Medgar Evers’ to justify your pathological self hatred, and the liberal inquisitions racial engineering project.
You can’t expect a racist Marxist twat who only speaks in rhetoric and personal attacks to reason with facts or logic. He’s entered into a self-loathing belief system and has decided everyone else has to pay for it. At least Scott and Albaman post their uneducated emotional rubbish under the same name instead of repeatedly changing their aliases to try and look like their views are more popular than they actually are.
You’re a grown-up? Is that why you have to keep posting endless emotional comments full of ad hominem remarks and straw man attacks under various screennames, including (but not only) Conspiracy Theory Central, maurice, doris, The Men In White Coats, kingstupid, and countless others?
Nothing you say has any substance.
If your are a grown up start acting like one and not a troll.
Another issue is that BBC presenters all seem to assume that we all share the BBC viewpoint, and that we don’t trust the police and think undercover ops are unjustified. Actually I have far more trust in the police than I do in the BBC!
As for undercover what’s the problem? We know that many of these groups “supporting a cause” are infiltrated by extremist hard left groups (UAF, CND, Stop the War, poll tax, anti-cuts etc). Same applied to the summer riots. Therefore the police must have been thinking that some SWP types were hanging round the Lawrence campaign to forment trouble. Can’t blame the police.
Note too that the Blakelock trial has been sidelined as a minor event compared to the Lawrence murder by the BBC. Well he was a white copper, in the left’s view he no doubt was to blame for his own death…..
Vance at the the peak of his hypocrisy again. He bangs the drum for constantly going after IRA murderers so families get closure. Yet when it comes to a black kid murdered and his family denied justice because of deliberate police actions…the rules change.
If the IRA victims were Muslem or black Vance wouldn’t care a jot.
Hypocrite.
Tooodlepip
How would you know?
Some sort of mind reader are you?
Or are you just the sort of closed minded bigot you accuse others of being. Yes of course you are.
If Nicked Emus stuck to one name (instead of pretending to be several people) he might be taken more seriously, but then again “serious” is not something you generally associate with his remarks – unless of course you count his hatred for David Vance.
Maybe we’ve just read enough of Vance’s writing to know?
He called for medals for soldiers who shot and killed an unarmed and mortally wounded Taleban and then covered it up. He is a hypocrite of the highest order.
You contribute nothing, Nobz. All you do is spam this site with countless trolling posts under dozens of different names. This is a new low even for you, to respond to your own post under the name Tootle with another one under the name Nobz. The only person you’re fooling here is yourself, everyone else figured this tired little game out months or even years ago.
Well let us have the link then.
‘Vance at the the peak of his hypocrisy again. He bangs the drum for constantly going after IRA murderers so families get closure. Yet when it comes to a black kid murdered and his family denied justice because of deliberate police actions…the rules change.’
Hope the self-inflicted gunshot wound in your foot gets better soon.
(To spell it out for you: have a think about how much publicity, news coverage and time has been expended on the tortured and murdered victims of the IRA – men, women and children – especially by the BBC, then compare and contrast with the single Lawrence case.)