Here’s one to focus comments on BBC coverage of the local council and European elections. I sat up and watched the early coverage from the BBC last night, and I thought it was ok but this morning, on Today, they were busy pushing the “protest and angry” voter line. Over to you….
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Well done Nigel and UKIP.
I realise that I will probably get shouted down for this…. you have all had your protest vote but please remember that we really really do not want Ed as our leader after the GE.
Appreciate your point, but I think it’s gone beyond that now. Do we want David Cameron, who publicly supports UAF who try to shout down UKIP with intimidation? I don’t think that makes him fit to be PM either.
The truth is that I don’t think we really know much about what Cameron really thinks. The lesson he learned from the Blair era was simple – policy is policy, most people aren’t watching, but they hear everything you say on the ten o clock news.
Therefore he tends to speak up for trendy metropolitan causes, but looking at the policy a lot of it is somewhat more radical and conservative, such as in education, welfare, policing and the NHS. There is some soft stuff, plus Gay marriage (but that would have eventually been forced through by the EU, at which point he would have gained no mileage from it at all, so it wasn’t politically so dumb). Plus he is in a coalition, so we don’t know what grubby deals are done in the quad.
Blair was like this too – he constantly said very centrist things, but his actual policy was very left wing (international socialist) – more public sector, more borrowing, more immigration, greater internationalism and EU integration. But the left hate him because on TV he was the ‘heir to Thatcher’ and too close to the USA.
Tony E……. you were being very economical with what you missed off your Bliar list, like:
NHS Bodybags
Lies – heinous – to go to war –
Dead in Afghan –
Dead in Iraq –
Millions Displaced persons.
Radicalized Muzzies.
Economy Trashing.
Welfare free for all.
etc etc etc etc etc etc
I hadn’t had lunch and the post was getting long….
Ha ha – glad you got you priorities right!
Blair is certainly one person you should not miss your lunch for.
Good post, Tony. Cameron is hamstrung by the coalition in many respects (I wonder if that’s why he’s never addressed the West Lothian Question as promised?), in others you can see strong traditional Conservative policy being implemented (education, welfare). However, I still don’t know what makes the bloke tick! Mrs T had strong principles – you knew what she stood for so it was easy to make your mind up and vote accordingly, but Cameron…..?
But she operated in a polarised moment in political history – it was Right (liberal economics, smaller state, more individuality and less interference) v. Left (more state, less individual freedom, collectivism and redistribution).
People were clear what the arguments were, and they chose to ally themselves with a strong leader with strong principles who was on the right side of the argument. Even as a child, I knew what side I was on, so clear was the divide.
In the modern world, the left is in the ascendancy. It has infiltrated our institutional life through education, the media, the civil service. So politicians with right of centre tendencies have to wrap them up in soft language. In the end, you can have great principles in opposition, but that’s all they are. You might not be able to apply all of them in power, but surely some of them is better than nothing?
Good points. However, Cameron should have strolled the last election with a massive majority given the mess Labour had left the country in. I suspect that in those televised debates he really wanted to give the country some hard truths about living beyond our means and needing to make drastic cuts to personal and government spending but bottled it because he knew it would make him unelectable. Thatcher wouldn’t have flinched from doing it because she knew what was right for the Country. 2010 was equally as bad as 1979 but for different reasons, albeit the cause lay firmly at the Left’s door on both occasions.
Well this takes us full circle back to Deborah’s comment above: had UKIP not stood in the last GE then Cameron WOULD have won a majority; it wasn’t an easy task actually when you consider the boundary unfairness: labour got their biggest whipping in decades but still have and 260 seats or whatever it was. People and articles have tried to disprove or poo-poo those saying that UKIP lost the election for the Conservatives and many votes were disgruntled Labour etc but the numbers say otherwise.
‘do not want Ed as our leader after the GE.’
Looking at various post-matc… slaughter comments from Labour stalwarts, it looks rather like most of Labour don’t want him as leader even now.
That’s how we find ourselves where we are today, nothing will ever change if we continue to vote for more of the same, and they know that. Even if Ed does get in he won’t be around for long.
TIME FOR CHANGE!
I hate to say it but I agree with Deborah and through gritted teeth will vote for the Tories at the next election. Red Ed will be a disaster so will still vote Tory.
Although it doesn’t matter as we will get another hung parliament and a Lab/Dem one and we will be getting votes for 16 year olds, even higher taxes on anything that makes life worth living eg cars, booze and the usual right-on leftie crap that makes all of our lives a misery
Vote tory get labour
http://www.unitetheright.com/
you know it makes sense
Cameron could wipe UKIP out tomorrow if he ditched the Liberals and held a referendum in the Autumn, cast iron promise?
Why 2017? assuming he gets back in why wait two years? because he knows all the time the balance is shifting?
Be careful what you wish for. Right now the out campaign would lose as UKIP do not have a detailed plan of withdrawal. They would be found out if the MSM bothered to ask about that instead of banging on about racism.
Why is it assumed that UKIP need to lead the out campaign?
Don’t forget the three line whip, there are plenty of anti EU Tory’s ….
And their detailed plan of withdrawal is…?
And look what happened to the last Eurosceptic Tory leader….
Vote Tory get… more of the same.
Cameron was put in place by the same breed of Tories who installed the traitor Heath and who idolise creatures like Heseltine and Clarke.
These ‘wets’ are not going to go away. They believe they own the Conservative Party and in many respects they probably do. Historically, the Thatcher revolution was an anomaly in what has been a post-War milldly collectivist, pro-EU, big government Conservative Party.
UKIP isn’t perfect but it may be made into what is needed. I don’t believe the same is true of the Conservative Party.
Suppose Cameron delivered on a promise to have a referendum? Would he then accept the result if it went in favour of coming out? Or would he hold on with a few more attempts to change some minor rules and then call another referendum? The Irish solution. Cameron’s Tories will not take us out of the EU.
Repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, and then repeal any EU legislation that doesn’t suit us.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/23/Pressure-Grows-for-Tory-UKIP-Pact
told you
There is an easy way for Cameron to make it unlikely Ed will become PM and that is make a loose electoral deal with UKIP!
If he’d sooner Ed wins than that it tells us all we need to know about Cameron doesnt it?
The BBC and the liberal left seem perplexed as to why all the mud that they slung at UKIP about it being a racist party, doesn’t seem to have had the desired effect.
They can’t understand that what they label as racist, large numbers of people think of as just voicing what ordinary Brits have thought for years but have never had a party which was brave enough to say it in the face of the howls of the liberal left elite and vilification by the BBC and MSM.
We are rallying behind a party who voices what we think and the more they attack UKIP on racist grounds the more people will vote for them.
It just shows how OUT OF TOUCH the BBC and the liberal elite are with the way we think.
They just think that everyone who disagrees with them is some kind of ‘racist’ who requires re-education. Obviously the oppression has not gone far enough, and for some only the death camps are the correct solution.
This might appear an extreme view, but it’s nothing which we haven’t already heard.
Two days before the election we took some old clothes into town as we didn’t want …………. ………. gangs picking up any bags if we left them outside. Inside were 3 blokes after a while when they realized I wasn’t Mr right on and I wasn’t going to report them to the Stazi it turned out they all had pretty similar thoughts to myself. They told me that they didn’t normally voice the concerns they had as they would be slagged off as waycists. Something that I find people saying time after time. Hopefully the BBc have now shown their hand with the tactic of just smearing any opposition to the grand design as racist even if it’s not.
Right on the money.
Every journey begins with a single step – and last night was a mighty big one.
There is a long way to go and the establishment old gang (LibLabCon – BBC-MSM, and the elite (see Richard Hawkins’ comments on twitter as a taster)) will get nastier.
They have no interest in democracy if the people do not submit to the elites wisdom. If fact they hate you. They hate your guts.
Just remember this is a gang of liars, hypocrites, tax dodgers, expense fiddlers, friends of paedophiles, cover up experts, crooks and fraudsters.
Tune in any day to the BBC to hear them.
As a footnote I notice that BBC favourite Yasmin Allibi Brown wants censorship of the media to prevent coverage of UKIP.
Welcome to North Korea.
‘notice that BBC favourite Yasmin Allibi Brown wants censorship of the media to prevent coverage of UKIP.’
Got a linky?
This election seems to have exposed a rich seam of less than guarded commentary not just from deluded pols but also their tribal PR departments.
Statements like this may not endear Ms. AB to those still keen on democracy and free speech.
And if enough exercise their right to avoid publications who offer her such an hypocritical pulpit, she may end up confronting irony rather tangibly.
She’ll always have a berth at the BBC of course, as market forces are uniquely avoided there, but while very well paid they don’t seem to pay their gobs for hire too well.
Supplementary.
Ugandan Muslim immigrant, and political chum of BBC-
“Yasmin Alibhai Brown, censor UK press, stop Farage” (31 Mar, 2014).
Ta.
Control the press and media because the coverage was not to her liking. She has shown her true fascist political colours.
Yes thanks – beat me to it.
Yes Yasmin I’m very very very worried. Worried that people might listen to your kind of Norh Korean dream.
That’s right Yasmin. Don’t let Farage get on the airwaves. We must limit him and his party. They are democratic and people like them. So ban them. Here’s something Yasmin. Lets stop you from going on the airwaves. That’s a great idea. F*&k OFF!
I would go further and bundle the nasty bitch into a plane to Pakistan, that wonderful, peaceful example of muslim tolerance and love…….and hope the Paki airforce shoots it down….or the Indians, i care not which….
Stupid, intolerant old bat. The amazing thing is, she keeps getting air time.
why has this asylum seeker from uganda not returned post idi amin? just asking
Well, immigration is such an enormous benefit to Britain and she is such a kind-hearted soul that she feels sorry for us and wants to help us all out by staying here – at considerable personal cost, I might add.
She is the anti-christ…..plucked from Uganda where her family treated the africans like dirt, she has derided and moaned about her lot since arriving here. She is racist and arrogant towards us, upset the US ambassador on QT, a man coming to terms with the loss of 3000 plus souls in the twin-towers atrocity, perpetrated by her kind, filthy, arrogant muslims. She is a disgrace, and if i saw her in the street, would insult and belittle her, as does us, who gave her family sanctuary, more fool us.
This is from Martin Durkin’s documentary “Nigel Farage – who are you?” It was shown during the early hours of the morning on BBC4 on 4th April (not sure if it was shown earlier in the schedules….I suspect not). YAB was featured as (amazingly) just about the only person who had anything bad to say about Farage. It also featured a number of journalists who were broadly supportive of Farage and the effect he is having on politics. Allister Heath (editor – City AM) said the political establishment don’t just disagree with Eurosceptics or people who advocate lower taxes, “they make you feel morally inferior.” James Delingpole said “I think the political class and the entitlement class have an absolute abhorrence of the values of ordinary people. They find them………….they’re holding their noses…..”. All of this anticipated one of YAB’s best halo-polishing moments when she said of UKIP “Everything they say – absolutely everything they say is contemptible to me. The fact that working class people are now attracted to this lot kind of just totally depresses me.”
YAB continued working herself into a lather throughout, and offered at one point that UKIP was worse than the “closet racists and loonies” label Cameron gave them, and “we” should be incredibly worried about them. This was pretty much dismissed by Journalist Rod Liddle of the Sunday times, as he was asked “Is Nigel Farage a racist?” He looked slightly weary and said “Of course he’s not a racist…..people who oppose immigration are not racist per se.” The overall effect of this sort of thing happening repeatedly made YAB look like a pious sanctimonious twat, which I dare say is not a million miles from the truth. The only other person to offer a contrary view was that arrogant hog Kinnock at his dismissive and disdainful best in inevitable defence of the EU (i.e. his meal ticket).
Durkin concluded his documentary by saying he went in search of the “real” Nigel Farage, and it turns out he is more or less what he seems to be.
I’m suprised UKIP have done so well in the council elections. Think the big kick will come at the weekend when the EU election results come in.
O’Brian is pushing the line about londoners being more educated and happy with diversity to vote UKIP. I think he may be suprised come the weekend.
He is a patronising prat isn’t he.
More educated? As in this from Breitbart:
A Green Party activist was also unhappy about how the polling station was being run. She told Breitbart London: “The problem here is poverty and lack of education. A lot of the voters can’t read and have no idea who they are voting for, that’s why people are out telling them what to do.”
Surely the reason is that London contains the biggest concentration of Labour’s imported electorate?
‘London contains the biggest concentration of Labour’s imported electorate?’
May be worth sharing that rather obvious insight with Nick ‘Any Spi… Analysis In A Storm’ Robinson, who appears to have missed, or dismissed such a possibility:
Nick Robinson ✔ @bbcnickrobinson
The Farage charm does not seem to be swaying the capital. Labour doing better in the capital – seized control of Hammersmith & Fulham
Talk about disingenous turd-polishing.
Given his nickname, a craft he appears still to practice pre-voiding.
London is no longer an “English” city.
THis is the reality the liberal elite cannot admit and certainly cannot handle. Ignore what happens in London. One day we will. have to move our capital to where it should be.
Ambiguous post, RJ. Are you expressing regret or approval?
Stating a fact. If you want to add an emotion it’s not regret it’s anger.
DaveS made a comment about moving the capital out of London – if Scotland goes the centre of what’s left is Birmingham!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the clarification.
As I didn’t recognise your monicker I wasn’t sure what angle you were coming from. The BBC have given airtime over the last couple of years to lefties who triumphantly inform us that London is a ‘world city’ and nothing to do with England anymore. (This was particularly prevalent during and after the Olympics.) I just wondered whether you were one such who’d come on here to wind people up.
The problem is the BBC, mainly conniving with Labour and the Liberals, (but also to a lesser extent the Conservatives – plus the corporation are in receipt of ‘loadsa’ EU cash), have subtly indoctrinated us for years by not dealing with the reality that the EU is significantly exacerbating this countries many obvious problems which UKIP highlight:
How can our nation in just a couple of decades, net import 4 million people into the UK and then attempt to disguise the elephant in the room? We now have massive housing shortages, school places, NHS, wages downward pressures and a great loss of cultural identity, whilst the left attempt to slur all comment against this indoctrination as Racism and Bigotry.
It is only kidding us that this great influx is doing the nation ‘more good than harm’ – see the reality of this lie on the charts produced here:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/
I do so hope after Sundays potential real earthquake, we can now move forward quickly to start resolving these issues before it is too late.
Perhaps that is what the racism charges are all about. It not really to stop white people being racist but to galvanise the RM vote. London being the ‘most diverse’ city in the country is bound to bring the racist vote out. qv Barak Obama 2008 vote.
GW, I’m new to the twitter game but have taken your advice. Many others appear to have made a similar point.
RD – well worth it.
Ironically:
BBC World News
Why it pays to complain via Twitter. We look at why tweeting may now the best way to get your gripe to the front of the queue. Have you ever complained to a company with a tweet? Let us know.
http://bbc.in/1lFWwue
Don’t need to tell you of all people, but it pays to be polite and confront them with their own utterances or with counter facts.
Then, even so, risk get blocked.
They want your views, but are less keen on those they can’t ‘deal’ with.
WTF? What are these bastards doing voting if they cannot even understand english…….we need to get a grip…no english…no vote. Bastard Labour party……
“A lot of the voters can’t read and have no idea who they are voting for, that’s why people are out telling them what to do.”
Well I have some advice: Vote for the nice symbol with the £ sign and you’ll get another cheque in the post.
Ukip blames London election performance on difficulty appealing to the ‘educated and cultured’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-blames-london-election-performance-on-difficulty-appealing-to-the-educated-and-cultured-9423200.html
What YOU saying Danny?
Do YOU think that people who vote UKIP are uneducated?
Would you say the same about Labour voters?
Or Respect voters?
What are YOUR views?
“Would you say the same about Labour voters?”
Agent Danny has demonstrated his patrician class contempt for the Hoi-polloi on many occasions so he wont be surprised by this
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/23/UKIP-Make-Major-Gains-In-Traditional-Labour-Heartlands
(beggin yer honors pardon for me mixed classical metaphores)
Tower Hamlets?
That’s not how I heard it. It seemed to me that she was replying to the questioner who alleged that “one of your colleagues” (un-named) had said it.
Decide for yourselves.
I was half-asleep this morning when I listened to the TOADY programme. I am sure that a BBC wallah said these words; between 6 and 7am.
I don’t have time to re-listen at the moment.
You left-tards will believe anything won’t you? Listen to the interview and she says the exact opposite. It is the Beeboid who said “they had difficulty appealing to the “educated, cultured and young.” and she was quoting a mystery UKIP colleague. That ‘colleague’ was a DJ on LBC who is another public school Labour stooge.
Just another smear that will help UKIP so keep ’em coming O Danny Boy ‘cos UKIP Eyes are smiling’
Is that “colleague” on LBC a UKIP member then?
Only hope so-or else Mishal Husain needs referring to someone for that smear….
But the UKIP spokeswoman did no such thing.
The Independent need a good kicking over their lazy lie here…it was Mishal Husain who said a UKIP colleague of Ms Evans had said this.
Better be sourced-or else I`ll tell UKIP here to take the BBC on for this lie-as well as the Independent, all too happy to propagate it.
Just a moment, wasn’t she just repeating what Hussein was claiming on the Today programme during an interview after the 7am News.
If Evans had disagreed with Hussein she would probably have been accused of being a racist, for daring to impugn the education and intelligence of the electorate of Tower hamlets.
It was Hussein who said it first, although I see it has been used by several other disgruntled non UKIP supporters.
So, if you are young and live in London you must be well educated and do not vote UKIP because you are clever. If you do vote UKIP you must be older uneducated and …white.
Just turn that around, the racists and Thought Police would be on your case in a flash, so Evans did well to avoid he trap.
These are the educated and cultured who vote Labour because they believe money grows on trees.
I went to one of the best non-private schools in the country n New Cross and voted UKIP….the argument of us in London being uneducated doesn’t wash unless ironically it applies to those who don’t vote ukip
Of course, London/Londonistan is a heavily immigrant city and many immigrants here will demand that more of their extended families from overseas countries will have the right to become future immigrants in Britain too.
Where I live, (Watford) there were NO Ukip representatives up for election in the locals (in my little corner of Watford, of course)…Just the 3 tossers, in a ring of tossers, tossing each other off.
That was bloody annoying.
Peter Oborne made a couple of interesting off-message points on Newsnight.
When he correctly pointed out the link between the BBC and the on-going LibLabCon stiffling of debate the peculiar Laura Kuenssberg almost wet her knickers – ‘let’s not talk about the BBC’ she wailed.
And there, I’m afraid, you have it. The BBC is the bulwark to the current political establishment. It has to go if you ever want them out.
‘..the peculiar Laura Kuenssberg almost wet her knickers – ‘let’s not talk about the BBC’ she wailed.’
If one of those clever coves who can capture & share vids would oblige, I’d really like to add that to my collection.
Laura, love, you and your employer have become the story. Never a good sign.
Ta 2…
And Ian Katz wheeled out Bonnie, Yas & Peter.
Shocked, I tell you, shocked… at such balanced choices (Ms. AB’s ‘interesting’ views on free speech kindly shared above).
But Mr. Oborne rather kept Laura in her box there.
Didn’t hear quite the quote above, but she was a gabbling wreck trying to play down his direct accusation on BBC complicity in the car-crash of the MSM establishment vanities.
Interesting that the BBC trotted out two racist foreign wimmin in the shape of Greer and Alibaba as a counter blance to Oborne.
Thankfully missed that with those awful other two on the show but if I had intended to watch it I would have switched over once I saw them!
I would like to see the date the bBC has penciled in for his next appearance. Sometime never I expect.
Glad the clip ended before the odious, evil Greer and Yabbadabbadoo had a chance to spout their trash……
I couldn’t bear to watch last night because of the two prats either side of him, so I don’t know what he said. But generally I like Oborne. He seems conservative, patriotic and liberal in the true sense of the word (rather than the sense in which it is used now). One way or the other, the main parties and the msm are staring into space, drooling, with their jaws on their tits wondering what happened and why all the smears didn’t work. Good. Let’s all remember the general election next year and have even more fun. Best wishes to all my fellow swivel-eyed loons.
Where were the quarter plus of the population represented in the QT audience last night?
Just look at 16 mins into the programme, when Dimbleby asked for specifically someone in the audience who voted UKIP? The portion of TV audience screen shot shows not one with a hand up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044mhbd/question-time-22052014
It is such a shame the BBC are on this suicide mission. It is not rocket science. If they cannot get it right with the highest paid ‘public purse’ recipients in the land on the payroll, there is only one inevitable outcome: Deal with them in the same way the Home Secretary did to the Police Fed. Stop their funding.
The have always stated quite clearly that the audience is ‘specially invited’. Some people are more invited than others.
Who would want to admit to voting UKIP amongst that nest of vipers? You risk getting booed and ridiculed inside, aided and abetted by the panel and its impartial chairman, then kicked and spat at outside by the UAF groupies who follow Question time all round the country.
As stated elsewhere on this site, at least the Media & Sport Committee are getting closer to definitely removing the licence fee now :
http://www.uknewsday.com/news/42396-bbc-bosses-warned-licence-fee-is-outdated-and-may-be-gone-in-two-years.html
BBC – ‘even more bias where you are’ London News are busy trumpeting Labour gains.
I’m no psephologist but surely it is obvious that these meagre supposed Labour ‘gains’ are well below their hopes and expectations at this point in the cycle?
Given their propensity for postal cheating and the mass importation of Labour votes these ‘gains’ are in fact a defeat.
Especially when you consider the last time the Tories had over 500 more councillors than Labour the BBC called the Tory win ‘a spectacular failure.’
Another one of those irregular verbs perhaps?
Dame Nicky’s phone in this morning.
A caller suggests that the MSM’s bias may have actually benefitted UKIP.
The dame is aghast; “Bias. What bias?”
Well why don’t we start with two Beeb employees tweeting anti UKIP messages you fuckin cock?
They really don’t get it do they?
Roll on Sunday and roll on the rise and rise of UKIP.
Please be aware that the Labour Party only “broke through” in the 1920s and look where they are now (for the worse, granted).
But a huge shift in the political landscape can – AND WILL – be achieved.
‘…why don’t we start with two Beeb employees tweeting anti UKIP messages …They really don’t get it do they?’
Seems they are doing their best still not to…
‘..Laura Kuenssberg almost wet her knickers – ‘let’s not talk about the BBC’ she wailed.’
An important message to the Directors and the Trustees of the BBC – follow the opinion of the British Public – don’t try to influence it .
And yes, not bad for a ‘Bunch of Fruit Cakes’ and ‘Swivel Eyed Loons’ eh ?
Certainly simply reflecting it honestly might be worth a stab.
Having failed Clarke County styly to sway it in about as bent a way possible, the new default of telling the UK they are not as enlightened a few small parts of London who voted correctly, in as bent a way possible ((c) Robinson. N) may still struggle.
The opening question pitched at a UKIP spokesperson on Today one day last week: ‘So what is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?’
Now they know.
There seems to be a dawning realisation on R5left that people voted UKIP because they don’t subscribe to their ‘inside the M25/metropolitan view point/bien pensant/establishment/EUphiliac view
As David Coleman might have said ‘really quite remarkable’
Meanwhile even the Green can take seats from the Labour party in the Wirral
Perhaps the meeja focus might turn towards Wallace rather that the waysists
But , 5 dead is based in Manchester now ,well outside the M25 , but most of the staff are bused up there. Bit like the European Parliament ,based in Brussels , but everyone has to be bused over to Strasbourg at regular intervals .
Last night I voted UKIP for the Euro elections (the first time I have ever voted for other than Conservatives in 50 years) but for a Tory in the Locals (because she does a good job). I don’t think I’m alone in this and if I’m right then Sunday’s results are going to be spectacular – for UKIP that is, not the BBC
I did exactly the same
If that pattern is repeated in my area it could be excellent for UKIP
Ditto.
Local seat was a Con – Lib fight and thankfully the Liberals lost. Lost control of the council too and Mike HandyCock lost his council seat.
A good nights work
Exactly what I did. I want to send those ever so intelligent people in Westminster a message.
The reason labour are hanging on in places like London is because the immigrants they have brought in have voting practices that would shame a banana republic and embarrass Robert Mugabe.
I hate to rain on this parade, but as the EU votes aren’t announced until late Sunday, or into Monday, there is a lot that can be arranged for those fragile pieces of voting paper.
At my local polling station in Lincoln, the EU votes and the local council votes were slipped into the same box. As they had now counted one, they must have unlocked that single box. And if they have unlocked that box, they have the EU votes out on their counting tables already.
I am pleased you raised the question regarding dubious practices with the ballot papers. One wonders whether we will have a typical communist election count. A few votes here and there, all in the interests of the greater good. The argument in favour is well rehearsed – Farage is another Hitler, we should have stopped Hitler early on, so why not remove a few of his votes?
I’m sure the Yazzmonster will have no trouble with that thought.
What a sad indictment on the UK of 2014 that you can make that comment and I don’t automatically dismiss it as fantasy.
Again my point, as the papers are to be stored for several days, I did not want some helpful council official changing my vote by using a rubber and a pencil.
So at the polling station I asked if I can use a ballpoint, told I could not, so demanded they show me the orders which say so. They backed down and said, we prefer pencil so you can change your vote. Slight problem there are no erasers at the polling station. So I suggest to everyone, ALWAYS vote with a ballpoint, never use a pencil. Council officials are NOT the trustworthy people they used to be.
Good point; wish I’d have thought of it. I’ll bear it in mind for next time, though.
However, I suppose a vote that can’t be changed can simply be lost.
There is no need for this delay anyway. They should do what the traditionally do and dump the boxes on the table in front of everyone, count them in public, pile the papers up and announce the result.
It matters not a jot that many countries vote on Sunday. We could just announce early, like some domestic British constituencies do. What’s the problem?
Another one 🙂 I did the same. For the first time in my voting life I put down my X for someone other than the Conservative candidate. Voted UKIP in the hope of preventing our would-be Fuhrer, Alex Salmond, getting a third MEP for the SNP.
Same here Mike – first time non-Conservative just to try and stop the Scottish National Socialists.
With a nod, nod and wink, wink-
“BBC News Warn All News Staff Over Anti-UKIP Tweets”
http://order-order.com/2014/05/23/bbc-news-warn-all-news-staff-over-anti-ukip-tweets/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+guidofawkes+%28Guy+Fawkes%27+blog+of+parliamentary+plots%2C+rumours+and+conspiracy%29
BBC-NUJ staff will be immune to action for political bias against UKIP.
As others have pointed out – all rather late
Civil servants are given explicit guidance months before an election
Why does not this apply to ‘public service broadcaster’
The fact that they’ve had to issue a warning is a tacit admission of the corporation’s innate bias.
Hilarious.
The BBC now embracing political wisdom inspired by Richard Nixon – ‘don’t get caught’?
http://banter.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/obama-nixon-scandals-i-am-not-a-crook-watergate-benghazi-coverup-irs.jpg
Meanwhile, amongst several choice comments:
Guffaws says:
May 23, 2014 at 11:01 am
Hilarious! You can openly tweet biased content to an audience that follows you for news and then all that happens is an email is sent around to warn people.
The mind boggles what it takes to get someone sacked yet alone suspended, demoted and docked pay!
I suspect if you set burned down Broadcasting House someone in HR would circulate an email the next day warning people to remember the fire drill.
The contrast with the Scudamore witch hunt is certainly enlightening.
Stephen Nolan spluttering into his microphone [1:44] – Biased? Moi!
“are you seriously suggesting” over and over attempt to brow beat the caller
Nolan simply demonstrated their complete contempt for any one who demures from the bourgeois fauxcialist BBC party line .
James O’Brien on LBC asks “why is London resistant to UKIP”
The overriding opinion of James and his callers is that Londoners are “politically and socially better educated……”
Yea yea James and all your right on metrosexual lefty callers open your bloody eyes and look around you, a large percentage of those that voted Labour probably can’t read and had to be told where to place their cross, not to mention postal votes and turn outs over 100%….
I feel sorry for the remaining ‘real’ Londoners who are being out-bred and losing their culture and heritage. Is this the London that came to a standstill for Churchill’s funeral less that half a century ago?
“Is this the London that came to a standstill for Churchill’s funeral less that half a century ago?”
In a sense, yes. Remember Margaret Thatcher’s funeral? The Diamond Jubilee? Go to a traditional national or cultural event and it looks little different. Hang around in Trafalgar Square on a warm afternoon and you’ll see lots of tourists but it won’t resemble Tower Hamlets or Tottenham. Not even close.
The recent intake doesn’t get around much.
Ed Balls ” Labours immigration policy in 2004 was a mistake !! ”
No it wasn’t, it was deliberate and malevolent.
I think he really means 1997, but he has managed to re-frame the debate to exclude non-EU immigration – helped along by his mates at the BBC, of course.
Yes it was – to change Britain for ever and rub the right’s nose in diversity – as someone once revealed.
Now the aptly named Balls thinks it might be costing him votes and all the salary, expense accounts and pension that go with them, so he back pedals like Bradley Wiggins heading for a cliff. He doesn’t mean any of it, of course, but the depressing thing is that some people will buy it. I don’t know how many, but there are always some.
Well we can see why the bBC and the rest of the media ganged up on UKIP. The bBC have not mentioned the electoral slight of hand that went on. The Huffington post is the only place I have seen mention of the following. 1) The allowing of other party names that were there to deliberately trying to confuse voters. UKIP protested to the Electoral commission, they they declined to make them change their names. 2) The folding of ballot papers, so that you only see UKIP when you do the final unfold at the bottom. I have put formal complaints on both accounts to the EC.
Plus voter intimidation like here
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/22/VIDEO-electoral-tower-hamlets
plus the well-known postal vote scam
Your quite right, as this country has descended to the level of a third rate banana republic I take this as being the norm.
Fred, British soldiers get beheaded and chopped up on London streets.
That dumb cop on duty should be arrested for dereliction of duty.
I too complained about the ‘folding issue’ with this response from the EC – certainly inspired me with confidence! Must be moonlighting from BBC complaints!
ME
Will you be disqualifying all ballots including postal from polling stations proven to have taken part in the ‘folding scam’ – essentially hiding UKIP whilst funnily enough showing An Independence for Europe – interesting to see how they perform. Will your analysis highlight those Polling Stations in which this illegal act has taken place? Will you be establishing who at these stations gave instructions/folded ballots in this way and bring them to the attention of the Police Service? I have just voted and my paper was unfolded so one is forced to conclude that any folding was very much deliberate and intended to potentially defraud and disenfranchise voters in those wards. Even if the number is one misinformed vote it is significant and cannot be wished away as being inconsequential – failure to address/to have prevented this call your ‘independence and certainly efficacy into huge question which must surely have implications for your executives
Reply:
thank you for your email to the Electoral Commission. Our guidance to electoral administrators clearly stated that polling station staff should be instructed to hand ballot papers to voters that are unfolded.
Please inform me of which polling station you attended and which local authority that falls within to enable our electoral administration to contact the Returning Officer at your local authority as a priority to ensure they are aware of our guidance and that no more folded ballot papers are issued to voters.
You have failed to answer any of the questions raised, preferring to offer a meaningless and insignificant gesture – too late for many people, calling the whole election into question. Would you kindly outline the penalties/criminal offences under electoral law that may have been breached if the actions of some polling station staff or polling officials is shown to have been designed to reduce the vote for a legal party. In addition could you also explain how . ‘UKEPP’ was allowed to be used in the description part of the ballot form in some areas – I understand that you had learnt from the ‘Literal Democrat’ debacle.
Ukip has done very well just looking at you-know-whose site and as expected it’s generally focusing on the negative. But please don’t go back to the Tories! Once they’ve gone Labour will soon follow. The Lib/Lab/Con must diasappear.
Test
You passed.
GCSE English.
Well done. You can stay in the UK!
Beeboid Robert PESTON (son of Labour peer) applies leftish guesswork to UKIP’s policies on:-
a.) U.K withdrawal from E.U;
b.) restrictions on mass immigration.
On a.)
-Peston (an economist) does not even mention the potential advantages to U.K economy of not being subject to E.U’s common external tariff, which currently increases prices and distorts global free trade.
On b.) immigration – Peston talks like a politician, referring only to ‘hard-working’ immigrants, NOT to ‘welfare-benefit’ immigrants.
“UKIP’s economic significance”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27536873
Peston seems oblivious to this:-
“The Economic Impact of Immigration”
By Robert Rowthorn.
Click to access Rowthorn_Immigration.pdf
On negative economic impact of E.U’s common external tariff:-
“The EU’s tariffs are daylight robbery”
By Sam Bowman
(2013).|
[Excerpt]:-
“One attractive aspect of an EU exit would be the exit of the Common External Tariff. As Daniel Hannan has pointed out, the Single Market is more like a customs union than a free trade bloc. All goods coming into Britain from outside the EU are subject to tariffs, designed to protect European industries from cheaper competition.”
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/the-eus-tariffs-are-daylight-robbery
Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning, Good morning,
Self Employed ‘Nodding Donkey@ Romanian Big Issue Seller Liverpool Street Station last 3 years.
Economically active, paying my pension in years to come!
Can’t wait for the EUSSR results to come in on Sunday night, it’s going to be a UKIP landslide.
It will be interesting.
Many areas (like ours) only were voting on MEPs, and the tactical message sending in this regard may even be more pointed.
Tony Livesly on Radio 5 taking to young people ( groan) about the election, why is the media obsessed with youths ? Nothing wrong with young people but they’re far more idealistic, naive and foolish .
Why don’t they go the whole hog and interview primary 3 ? I’d rather listen to older people in their 70s and 80s, more life experience, more wisdom.
Luckily, on FaceBook, the BBC is here to summarise:
BBC News
English local elections so far:
– UKIP’s support surges
– Labour also making gains
– Tories and Lib Dem lose seats
Follow all the latest #Vote2014 results http://bbc.in/1jJD9oj
And their audience responds:
Aliee Daiyan All Ukip voters please form an orderly queue so I can slap the stupid out of you.
Like · Reply · 112 · 2 hrs
Not a BBC Trustee is she?
The BBC News website leads with: ‘Farage: UKIP now ‘serious players’.
The bias has to stop!
Guardianistas, as Beeboids, struggling to make sense of why UKIP is popular with British people.
(‘What’s all this about immigration?’)
“Ukip’s success is no false dawn – it’s time to stop sneering.
“The local election results show that Nigel Farage’s party is a force to be reckoned with, and the two-party system in crisis.”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/23/ukip-success-local-elections-two-party-system-crisis
Like you George R, I notice their “struggling to make sense” of the situation, and it baffles me. I always thought that these politico’s, both journalists & the elected politicians, had noses with a finely tuned sense of smell to tell them what’s going on. Seems I was wrong, and they couldn’t even smell $hit on their own shoes…..
‘Telegraph’ (£)-
“Euro elections: It looks as if we Tories may have finished third. Time for a pact with Ukip”
By Douglas Carswell.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellmp/100272610/euro-elections-it-looks-as-if-we-tories-may-have-finished-third-time-for-a-pact-with-ukip/
Beeboids please note: the only pacts worth talking about do not include those declining opportunists, the Lib Dems.
‘Daily Mail’ Comment:-
“BBC and the Left.
“In the past two days, two BBC staff – including an editor on its news channel – have been caught labelling Ukip and its supporters ‘racist’, ‘sexist’ and ‘lunatics’.
“Meanwhile, the ex-Guardian executive now editing Newsnight, who made a former TUC adviser its economics correspondent, yesterday handed a reporting role to a woman who once fronted a Labour election rally and dated one of the party’s MPs.
“And still the BBC – which appointed the Blairite James Purnell as Director of Strategy – wonders why it is accused of institutional Left-wing bias.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636869/Election-day-gift-Ukip-migration.html#ixzz32Xk6c2Kp
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Beeboids and Rotherham’s Labour Council.
Why is it that in referring to UKIP’s electoral gains in Rotherham today, Beeboids make no mention of this (2012)?:-
“Rotherham Council remove foster children from couple because they support UKIP”
http://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/11/rotherham-council-remove-foster-children-from-couple-as-they-support-ukip.html
UKIP: Rotherham result is ‘sensational'”
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2014-05-23/ukip-rotherham-result-is-sensational/?
Great news after the Labour Council in Rotherham not only allowing child abuse in its childrens homes by members of “the Religion of Peace”-but also denying UKIP voters the right to adopt children( and so keep them out of the Council homes where the ROP gathered to abuse kids held therein).
Mind you-astonishing that ANYONE with a pulse and a clean CRB record would even DARE to vote Labour up there….how thick or evil do you have to be to vote Labour in such places?
I’m sure ‘lessons have been learnt’ – charge the entire complicit/incompetent multi agency (avoid direct culpability!) as accessories – if competent guilty – if not sacked with loss of pension – simples …
Best comment I’ve read!
‘Beeboids make no mention of this’
As Any. Newsdesk will tell you, there’s what is news, and what needn’t be if you know what’s good for your career.
Historically, avoiding stuff that doesn’t suit to silly degrees can lead to delusion in high places, and eventual downfall.
Clearly the success of UKIP is a bitter pill for the BBC to swallow, having spent the last few weeks putting the boot into Farage and cheerleading shamelessly for Labour. Now they are desperately looking for a way to play down the importance of this outcome. “Protest vote blah blah”…”Labour did well in Croydon blah blah”….They still can’t bring themselves to admit the bleedin’ obvious – people are FED UP with being talked down to by the other parties ( via the BBC usually) and instead have decided to vote for someone whom they can actually relate to on a human level.
Don’t, however, expect the BBC to have a Damascus moment though; right now BBC Execs, Producers, Editors and Presenters are sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting ” We can’t hear you, We can’t hear you”
I guess we will have to shout a little louder…..
‘right now BBC Execs, Producers, Editors and Presenters are sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting ” We can’t hear you, ‘
So long as they no longer commit their views to print in a form observable outside the trusted and transparent BBC cubicles, Mary’s job is done.
Guessing Newswatch will need to run out-takes from the Jamaica Inn debacle until this one passes.
Given how many weeks the BBC and other media have tried to label UKIP as homophobic and sexist racists does this mean (judging by the local election results) they will now have to refer to 25% of the nation as bigots?
Will the BBC start producing 25% of their output targetting the bigots who pay their wages?
Watch this space.
question time last night was the most appalling example of bullying against the ukip candidate neil hamilton by that anti ukip panel and that hand picked student left wing activist audience i have seen on the bbc for years,but it did not work did it judging by ukips success today,there is better to come on sunday for sure,the bottem line here is this,the more the bbc,lbc,and other media outlets attack nigel farage and ukip the more support they get,the politacal establishment and the anti ukip media elite dont seem to understand that the electorate out there is to intelligent to fall for this campaign of smears of racism and zenphobia that they spreading in the last few weeks against nigel farage and ukip.those tactics will always backfire and the people came out last and voted for ukip to show there disgust at the you the bbc and lbc because of the way you treated there leader nigel farage in the last few weeks.you lost and ukip whipped your butts,simple as that.
Congratulations and celebrations…..la la la lal la
As good as the results are for UKIP and, in my book, good for the UK, it still leaves me unbelievably perplexed that others cannot see the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and bang on about control being racist. If we think only of economic reasons and forget for the moment that we are losing our identity and are being overrun by other cultures, quasi religions and gangs there are very good reasons to stop immigration.
We have an economy that is as good as stagnant, it has not increased over the years in proportion to the number of folks that have come to live here. If the economy had grown in proportion to the millions of immigrants coming in then maybe it was a good idea and we would all be rich, but it has not.
Why therefore has immigration has carried on at the rate of hundreds of thousands a year? Was it incompetence, a deliberate method to punish the white folks, a way of Labour getting more votes? Whatever it was the fact is that between them, in the last few decades, Labour, the Conservatives and Liberals have allowed millions of people from other countries into the UK and we ‘originals’ are all poorer because of it.
The problem is clear and simple, the more people that come in, the more people that want a slice of the same economic cake. And that cake consists of jobs, pensions, housing, hospital care, schools and universities, roads, disability and unemployment benefits. Just everything. I am quite happy to give some of my cake to help those less fortunate than I, but the bloody cake just ain’t big enough to feed the whole world.
Let us hope by the time of the GE next year some of the lemmings who are still voting for their own destruction have woken up to the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and understand it is not racist. It is survival!
Old Timer ….”Why therefore has immigration has carried on at the rate of hundreds of thousands a year? ”
EU Treaties – means we break the law if we do not keep our borders open.
The strongest evidence for conspiracy comes from one of Labour’s own. Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away.
Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.
He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.co.uk/pressArticle/83
So here we have a reply to my tweet complaint. ”
Thank you for contacting the BBC.
We understand you felt Jasmine Lawrence’s Twitter comments about UKIP were biased against the party.
Jasmine Lawrence was tweeting from a personal account. She has been reminded of her responsibility to uphold BBC guidelines. She has deactivated her twitter account and will now be playing no part in the BBC’s election coverage in coming days.
Nevertheless, we acknowledge the strength of your complaint and we can assure you that we’ve registered your comments on our audience log.
This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are made available across the BBC.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
BBC Complaints”
Note they don’t bother to sign replies now even with a made up name. I’m in the log.
Very well done.
Eerily familiar.In fact I recieved exactly the same reply ,word for word,right down to the kind regards
ditto here, the tone is ‘tell someone who gives a ****”
the tweets were offensive to those who vote UKIP, that was the point, not the bias against UKIP which was expected.
Same sort of reply from the Electoral Commission regarding folding of papers and spoiler candidates.
Craig Murray has been analysing the BBC coverage, pointing out the BBC’s selective coverage of the results:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/labour-flunks-bbc-spins/
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/bbc-new-labour-orgasm/
This is unusual for Murray, he is a social democrat and usually hideously pro-EU and anti-Murdoch.
Craig has a very strange comment in his first piece linked above:
“The Tory party will move even further to the right to capture some of this ground – and so will New Labour.”
Dave’s Tory party is New Labour. Ed leads Old Labour.
Who is this Craig Murray. Ah yes someone who posts:
Opposition to immigration is racist. The best news for ages was the net immigration of 250,000 odd in the last twelve months. We need a lot more workers to pay the future pensions of our ageing populations.
All without a hint of irony. Not a man to be taken seriously no matter how much he despise the BBC.
I’m 60 this year and have never ever voted..ever. Last night I made the effort and drove across Dartmoor to cast my vote. It was for UKIP. Are you listening BBC, Labour, Conservative and Liberal? Why did I vote UKIP? Because I have had enough of you telling me what I should think and do, you sanctimonious arseholes.
Wow, just checked my ward in Leeds.
Labour 2092 votes, UKIP 1600, Conservatives 454, out of 4767 votes cast. I make that 33 per cent for UKIP.
Let’s hope the creeps in the BBC will treat UKIP and those with similar views with some respect from now on. If UKIP now get big results in the EU elections, the BBC will need to grovel.
One of the major stories from northwest England was predicted to be the Conservatives losing Trafford to Labour and thus controlling no urban council in the region. What has happened? Nothing. Labour failed and the Conservatives are still in control.
Where is this on the bBBC website? Nowhere.
Will it be on the northwest ‘news’? Probably buried somewhere below yet another Hillsborough non-story, if at all.
‘Farage: UKIP now ‘serious players’
This has been the BBC News website headline all day. News at Six practically gleeful about UKIP wins. No wonder they did well with the BBC on their side!
“BBC issues new guidance for journalists on using Twitter: ‘Don’t do anything stupid'”
By William Turvill.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/bbc-journalists-told-not-do-anything-stupid-social-media-following-anti-ukip-tweet?
The trouble is, of course, that Beeboids will not regard making politically biased propaganda against UKIP as ‘stupid’, but as their politically sworn duty. And they will know that they will not be punished for it by their like-minded administrators.
“‘A massive leap’ Nigel Farage hails historic day as Ukip takes votes off ‘arrogant’ Labour.
“Well the Ukip electoral earthquake seems to be under way and – despite the fact that I have been talking about it for so long – it has still taken the political class by surprise.”
By Nigel Farage, MEP.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/477848/A-massive-leap-Nigel-Farage-hails-historic-day-as-Ukip-takes-votes-off-arrogant-Labour?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29
Where’s Scott?
Lying down in a darkened room with a damp flannel over his face, I suppose.
Well he’s not here so don’t knock it.
Probably hanging around under a bridge somewhere.
Don’t, what ever you do, post his name 2 more times!
One hopes the poor chap’s got a bottle of sedatives ready for Sunday.
Redouble your efforts Scott. One day the people will realise democracy’s bad for them!
So once more we have politicians telling the press that they must connect with the general public.. ABSOLUTE COBBLERS.
They are constantly being told what the people want. They just choose no to listen, around we go again.
Do we get a split by ward/postal/walk in? That would be interesting – I’m sure Jenny Watson and the BBC will investigating fully and correlating the results vs those with ‘allegedly’ token police presence at polling stations.
Nurse – please up my med.s, I’m hallucinating again
One place which DOES need investigating is Stevenage where the Labour MEP was boasting of a 63% postal vote.
Forgive my cynicism, but how do those of the million or so living in this country who don’t speak English but are eligible to vote and use the postal voting system know what it says on the ballot paper?
They get “someone” to fill out the form for them, and put an X in the Labour box.
On BBC late this afternoon, their blonde but plain female presenter tried to sum up the UKIP gains by referring to a wall map.
She stated that London had been a citadel against UKIP.
Sounds biased to me.
Given the amount of immigrants flocking to London then it’s no surprise it’s a citadel against UKIP.
Think she meant a minaret against the Crusading hordes who don`t live there-and who hate the axis of weevil that is the liberal media and the political class.
What we’re going to hear over the next few weeks:
1. Why the Tories should resist a “lurch to the right”.
2. A return to sneers at Essex Man.
In England, In London…Right now….Allah akbar..
https://twitter.com/tomsleigh?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Fblog%2F2014%2Fmay%2F23%2Flocal-election-results-live&tw_i=469946411262705664&tw_p=tweetembed
Nice list of names:
http://moderngov.towerhamlets.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=22&V=1&RPID=3388436
his was in East London or Islamabad?
I think the BBC and MSM are in a state of denial about what’s happened. There seems to be a sense of “this can’t be happening……” among them.
Their petty mud slinging in the run-up to the elections hasn’t worked and even they now realise that it just fuels support for UKIP.
Nevertheless they were still trying to smear UKIP today because I noticed the small videos on the BBC website were a) of a supposed disagreement between two UKIP members and b) a heavily tatooed, not overly elegant spoken stall holder saying why he voted UKIP you get the picture they’re trying to paint……
What I’ve found very interesting though is that many Columnists have spoken out by saying how disgraceful it was to see the Westminster Establishment(Tory, Lab, Lib) and MSM(BBC) working together to attack UKIP.
As the day has gone on the story line has changed from the raw panic of lab/con/lib to, it was supposed to be an earthquake it’s tremors.Blah blah blah. UKIP doesn’t control a council blah blah blah. Now pulling out the line they had less votes than when ever. I was under the impression that the Earthquake hits Sunday. However the story line at present hides how many people exactly voted for them something that I haven’t seen as yet.