62 Responses to La Grand Silence

  1. Anat T. says:

    ‘no doubt as a result of inflammatory reporting from the likes of the BBC’

    And this must be criminal. When is the Beeb going to face justice?

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    • Schillaci says:

      I think libel is a civil rather than criminal matter. I doubt the BBC will sue though.

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      • Anat T. says:

        It isn’t just libel. It is knowingly inciting others to acts of violence. Knowingly, because they should know from past experience.

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        • Anat T. says:

          Sorry, didn’t get your tongue in cheek.
          Not very funny, though. The BBC know what is the inflammatory result of such a selective reporting. So why do they do it?

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  2. Guest Who says:

    The BBC list of what is news and what is not would be interesting.
    Sure it will get covered at some stage, somewhere, but beyond location and duration there may also be what is reported factually vs. ‘Analysed’.
    Presumably Newsnight is dispatching cabbies as we speak around Golders Green to log the anguish of communities now living in fear?

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  3. George R says:

    For Islam Not BBC (INBBC)-

    “Attack On Paris Synagogue: Death To The Jews!
    Sunday’s attack is the latest example of the growing anti-Semitism in France.”

    http://www.truthrevolt.org//israel-revolt/attack-paris-synagogue-death-jews

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  4. London Calling says:

    “Fear of backlash” apparently only applies to the Muslim community after a Muslim atrocity (a la Rigby) It’s a useful meme to stand right and wrong on its head.

    There are two things the Islamic facists and the environmental facists have in common.: the ease with which they play the mainstream media.

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    • London Calling says:

      and the sympathetic reception they are given, to the exclusion of other views

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  5. NotaSheep says:

    The BBC’s virulently anti-Israel coverage and total lack of condemnation of what is happening in Paris WILL lead to similar incidents in the UK. When Muslim terrorists kill in the name of Islam, the BBC are very keen to point out that not all Muslims are to blame and that any backlash against Muslims would be a terrible ting. When its Isreal defending itself against Islamist terrorism, the BBC don’t seem to give a sh** about the safety of British Jews.

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    • Turtle Power says:

      Israel could defend itself without slaughtering children.
      Still the idealogues of the hard left are mobilising to protest against BBC’s alleged Pro-Israel bias while idealogues on the hard right flock here to bash their keyboards just like every other day. If the BBC has the power to make anyone angry then lucky for them that have so little to concern or occupy them in their day to day life.

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      • John Anderson says:

        Utter rubbish. How can Israel defend itself without striking at the rocket sites and Hamas infrastucture in Gaza ? The missile-defence system only works on some of the Gaza-launched rockets.

        And how can civilian casualties in Gaza (not “slaughtering children”) be avoided if Hamas deliberately puts its stuff within civilian areas ? And actually forces civilians to go to buildings about which the IDF has issued explicit target-warnings ? The IDF goes to extreme lengths to minimise civilian casualties, Hamas goes to maximum perverse lengths to increase civilian casualties. Can’t you be honest and admit that the modus operandi of Hamas is to actively seek civilian casualties ?

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        • Turtle Power says:

          Hamas have indeed been noted to use human shields. No argument from me. One of the joys of being an independent thinker is you can call the abhorrent murder of Israeli teenagers exactly what it is yet still condemn its tactics.

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          • Guest Who says:

            Blimey, Albaman must have been weighing in on that one until professional courtesy IFF kicked in.
            Still looking forward to the strategic defence insights that have eluded everyone else thus far.

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            • Albaman says:

              Your reason for mentioning me here is exactly what?

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              • johnnythefish says:

                And how did you pop up so quickly when your name is mentioned, after such a long absence? A ‘colleague’ maybe?

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                • Albaman says:

                  Sorry, no colleagues required, just an ability to read!!
                  You guys really do have delusions of grandeur if you think those who disagree with you are part of an organisation.

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                  • johnnythefish says:

                    Still don’t understand how you reacted so quickly. Are you constantly monitoring the site?

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                    • Albaman says:

                      Obviously not as you actually referred to my “long absence”.

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                    • johnnythefish says:

                      Smart arse.

                      But not an answer.

                      Let’s try again. You have not appeared on this website for some time and then as soon as your name is mentioned you pop up in a matter of minutes. How did that happen?

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                    • Albaman says:

                      Pure coincidence that I happened to have a day off and nothing better to do. What’s your conspiracy theory?

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                    • Guest Who says:

                      “coincidence that I happened to have a day off and nothing better to do.”
                      As someone once said, ‘if you say so”.
                      Still, another one to treasure.
                      Having nothing better to do than lurk for weeks and then swoop within 20’ does rather suggest extra curricular commitments of either a sad or committed level. Or, of course, both.
                      May have been better to have left it a while? Or maybe chip in on some the the threads where the BBC does seem to be struggling again with accuracy, objectivity and integrity?

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                    • Guesstimate says:

                      “As someone once said, ‘if you say so”.
                      Still, another one to treasure.”

                      You really are poisonous, aren’t you? Post after post, it’s like one long sneer.

                      “Having nothing better to do than lurk for weeks and then swoop within 20′ does rather suggest extra curricular commitments of either a sad or committed level. Or, of course, both.”

                      Writes the man who seems to spend his entire life on this website.

                      “May have been better to have left it a while? Or maybe chip in on some the the threads where the BBC does seem to be struggling again with accuracy, objectivity and integrity?”

                      One wonders after reading a few of your posts just how you manage to be quite so consistently snarky and unpleasant. I would hate to fall foul of your poison pen, however, so here’s something about BBC bias. And the fact that 45,000 people have signed a letter protesting about it. Specifically, alleging that recent news coverage has been pro-Israel:

                      http://www.palestinecampaign.org/sign-open-letter-bbc/

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          • John Anderson says:

            “Hamas have indeed been noted to use human shields” What an anodyne statement. They use human shields all the goddam time – it is their modus operandi. And if human shields in Gaza are thereby caught up in Israel’s attempts to defend itself against Hamas rockets – it is Hamas that is “slaughtering children” – not the IDF.

            That is the truth of so many of the current casualties – a truth that the BBC is deliberately obscuring.

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          • bluestar says:

            Oh! Independent thinker! I LOVE it when they talk about using their intelligence.. yet left-wingers never use it to think about a REAL solution..
            I mean, it’s a very simple logic – your citizens are being attacked deliberately by terrorists (yes they are, BBC! by definition!), you must attack the terrorists, the terrorists fire rockets from civil areas – how can you avoid civilian casualties???
            WOULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, YOU INDEPENDENT THINKER???
            Here are some of the things Israel already does:
            1) Droping leaflets warning civilians to leave the building (element of surprise? forget it!).
            2) Calling the attacked house residents (guess who are they..) to leave it.
            3) Texting them
            4) Investing billions of dollars in developing more accurate weapons.
            5) Cancelling planned attack when civilians are spotted near the target

            which army in the world do all these things??

            If Israel has the right to defend itself, then noone should criticize them, for the tacticts they use, without giving a solution.

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      • Guest Who says:

        “Israel could defend itself without slaughtering children.”
        As you have failed to follow through on that statement, care to explain how precisely?
        There is currently a macabre ‘advertisement’ flyer on the web for the latest in Hamas body armour.
        Sick humour, but also pretty close to the reality.

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        • Turtle Power says:

          I believe you, Guest Who to be the absolute epitome of logic arson on this site so please excuse me if I choose not to engage with you. I have better things to do than decipher your mind numbingly meandering rhetoric.

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          • John Anderson says:

            “Logic arson” It is you who is trying to blame the IDF for the extent of civilian casualties when the primary blame lies with Hamas. And you who is claiming that Israel has any alternative to defending its civilian population against Hamas rockets. That was pure “logic arson”

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            • Turtle Power says:

              IDF are doing what they are told to do and (according to some admittedly partisan blogs) morale has gone through the floor as the extent of innocents killed and maimed continues to rise.
              I am stating a point of view. It might be at odds with yours and in time might even change but nothing on this blog ever does.
              I reject your use of the word anodyne also. I seem to be alone in expressing sadness at the entire situation. I will not nor should I allow myself to ‘do requests’ and answer questions about that point of view just as I have not asked you to reciprocate.

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              • John Anderson says:

                You reckon you are the only person who is sad at the present situation ?

                That is even worse “logic arson”.

                The whole situation would be solved by Hamas ceasing to fire rockets into Israel. By Hamas concentrating on the “normal” activities of a civil government, succouring its people, spending its limited money (much of which we provide) on food and medicines etc rather than on buying and building tens of thousands of rockets.

                If you want to preach “peace” go to some Hamas-supporting sites.

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              • johnnythefish says:

                ‘I seem to be alone in expressing sadness at the entire situation.’

                Well park the cause of your sadness right at the door of the Arabs. Or is history only something you’ve learned from the BBC?

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          • Guest Who says:

            So that’s a no on actually explaining your master plan beyond how easy it would be to enact? Okey-doke.
            Your belief is noted.
            As an apparent veteran in relatively new shell, you probably know how much the belief of BBC staff and apologists troubles me, especially when floundering in a pit of their own excavation.
            Best of luck with the better things to do. Say hi to Danny.

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            • Roland Deschain says:

              Always interesting to note those who make sweeping statements, then, on being asked to explain just how their grand vision would work, decline to do so on some spurious ground.

              But I have to hand it to the aquatic reptile: claiming you are too logical to argue with is a new one.

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            • Guest Who says:

              In retrospect I feel that much of what I have posted today is nonsense. Please accept my apologies.

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              • Roland Deschain says:

                That’s very honest of you, Mr Turtle Power, but you seem to have used the wrong name.

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                • Turtle Power says:

                  Absolutely not guilty as I’m sure the blogs custodians can attest by checking IP addresses. It can’t be difficult. If it stops the braying donkeys from accusing everyone not on message of being in the BBC’s employ or being numerous different people. Might just trip up a few high horses too which is bound to be fun.

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                  • Demon says:

                    What is your real reason for not logically explaining how Israel can destroy those rocket firers without causing any civilian casualties when the rocket firers are deliberately placed to maximise their own civilian casualties? If you have a better idea please let the IDF know as they don’t like all the negative publicity when they are clearly just trying to eliminate Hamas.

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                    • Turtle Power says:

                      I could simply send you a screed of targets that have been hit that are miles away from rocket munitions. I’m sure you have read about them already and dismissed them so why would you take me seriously?
                      I am not a military strategist so any solutions I might propose will be grossly naive at best. I have not asked you to set out your plans.

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                    • johnnythefish says:

                      So 1300 strikes so far and 159 deaths.

                      Does that sound like a deliberate attempt to kill civilians? Israel could destroy Gaza if it chose to. All it’s doing is defending itself from yet more Arab attacks which it’s had to face in the form of full-scale wars or relentless terrorism since being established as a state under UN Resolution 181 in 1948 – coincidentally the first year Arab states tried to ‘wipe Israel off the face of the map’. Never hear those inconvenient bits of history on the BBC, do we?

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                    • Guest Who says:

                      “I could simply send you a screed of targets that have been hit that are miles away from rocket munitions. ”

                      Simply? Of course.
                      I recall during ww2 there was a chap (in Spain, I think) who the Abwehr kept elevating up the espionage tree based on Intel he was proving, which turned out to be from pre-war copies of UK tourist guides.
                      Unless your basis of what is, or is not, a key military target is more intimate?
                      Not sure who would be more keen to have a chat; Mossad or Hamas spooks-R-us. Maybe keep the back door ready lest a few good old boys turn up on a moped with a rope dragging behind.
                      Glad to see what counts as ‘not nonsense’ for some so ably laid out.
                      Minus actual detail still, of course.

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                    • Demon says:

                      So, in answer to my first question your answer is “No, I cannot back up my earlier claims.” And my second point about the fact you claim that the IDF can completely avoid hitting human shields whilst still hitting Hamas, as you also made clear earlier, is also rubbish.

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      • London Calling says:

        ” idealogues on the hard right flock here to bash their keyboards…” ? All those political clichés suggest someone not practiced enough to think for themselves.
        There is nothing right wing about the sentiments expressed here, unless you think being opposed to the elimination of Israel is somehow “right wing”. From your words, I rather think you do.
        “Independent thinker” my arse.

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  6. George R says:

    “Paris Synagogue Attack: ‘We Could Have Had a Kristallnacht'”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182878?#.U8PQ-pRdW9Y

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  7. George R says:

    Even anti-Israel ‘Guardian’ has this:-

    “Anti-Israeli protesters attack Paris synagogue”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/anti-israeli-protesters-attack-paris-synagogue

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  8. Dave S says:

    On BBC R4 1pm the Israeli ambassador to the EU sounded close to despair and angry when interviewed by the -who was she?
    I sympathize. it was like dealing with a particularly dense child. She seemed to want some bizarre equivallence of deaths ? Turn off Iron Dome and ground the F16s and demolish the shelters. is that what the woman wanted?
    How can you counter people who talk like that. Impossible. Israel goes to great lengths to protect it’s people and . Hamas does not. it is that simple. Israel cannot win the media war. The liberals have seen to that.
    What must the Jews and Israelis do? Leave the rotten continent of Europe -France first- as soon as they can and rely on their brave young men and women as always. .

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    • Guest Who says:

      “seemed to want some bizarre equivallence of deaths ?”

      If not Mishal Hussain honing her schtick again, seems she’s been cloned or some of the sisterhood have sussed what gets you squeezed up the greasy pole a bit further.

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      • johnnythefish says:

        It has become one of the mainstays of BBC reporting on Israel/Palestine, along with ‘asymmetric warfare’.

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  9. Span Ows says:

    Nearly 4pm and still it is nowhere on their site (News, World News, Europe etc). They have time and resources to tell us what soap the Taliban prefer but not what is happening in a neighbouring country/capital: seems further breaking of their Charter.

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  10. chrisH says:

    To be honest, I`ve given up on the BBC.
    I just turn them off, and go to the Jewish Chronicle…or even Al Jazeera, since their bias is at least obvious.
    There is no reason on earth why any Israeli needs to talk of the country to serial Jew -baiters like our liberal broadsheets and the Streicher-like BBC…so why they do so, is a mystery.
    The people of this country know what the BBC and the Guardian make of Israel-it`s a canary in the gas ovens of the Middle East; and is a spined and principled reproach to all the liberal elite rpresents.
    God Bless Israel…and f*** the BBC, the liberal dead tree press-and its Islamic “commentators” who supply the rockets.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      The problem is that whilst you turn it off, the BBC carries on broadcasting Palestinian propaganda to more credulous members of the British and indeed world public. I disagree that the people of this country know what the BBC makes of Israel: many do to be sure but not enough and it still trades on its ill-deserved reputation for impartiality.

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      • John Anderson says:

        The BBC, the world’s biggest news organisation, failed to report on the Paris riots for 24 hours – has it yet reported ? I still cannot see anything on its website.

        Why is it that the only video-clip I have seen on the riots is by RT ?

        BBC – bias by omission.

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      • chrisH says:

        Only to its own converts I would argue.
        The recent UKIP stuff shows that the rest of the nation are at odds with the agenda, as set by the BBC and liberal elite.
        It only preaches to its own-the rest of us know the BBCs track record-and anybody with even a modicum of education, and a laptop knows it`s a lying anti-Israel poodle for Islam(in all its guises)

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  11. George R says:

    “As Muslims Attack Jews Worldwide, UK Synagogue Marks Ramadan with Interfaith Iftar Meal.”
    – See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2014/07/muslims-attack-jews-worldwide-uk-synagogue-marks-ramadan-interfaith-iftar-meal.html/#sthash.FwJzOKGv.dpuf

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  13. Dazed & Confused says:

    Meanwhile in old Blighty, the hard left and their Islamic friends are crying that al-beeb are biased toward Israel…No wonder they did a piece about those mild mannered Taliban creatures….They can’t have the Islamo/Trot alliance out of the loop for too long…Appease, appease, appease….It’s in their DNA.

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  14. George R says:

    “ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTERS TRAP HUNDREDS OF JEWS IN PARIS SYNAGOGUE”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/14/Anti-Israel-protesters-trap-hundreds-of-Jews-in-Paris-synagogue

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  15. deegee says:

    The BBC notoriously under-reports France, which is odd because they maintain an office in Paris. I suspect the reason the synagogue attack was not reported was not malice as much as laziness.

    If a tree falls in the forest and the Guardian doesn’t report it has it really fallen?

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    • Demon says:

      But if a Christian was eating a bag of pork scratchings or smokey bacon crisps whilst walking past a Paris mosque or even, horror of horrors, drinking a can of shandy within sight of it then the BBC would be out condeming the evil act and justifying the anti-French riots that would automatically ensue.

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  16. Guest Who says:

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-11/is-hamas-trying-to-get-gazans-killed
    A few good questions being asked here, and from possibly intriguing corners.
    Interesting that the BBC, and its logic shock troops, seem less keen on even going near such things, much less pursuing answers.

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