The world wide web, where climate change is most vociferously debated, is predominantly an Anglo-Saxon medium.
For we native English speakers who’ve never needed to become fluent in other tongues but speak the language of climate change daily, this raises an intriguing question: is it possible that we’re getting a distorted view of the “climate debate” globally, simply because we’re missing what’s going on elsewhere?
“The weight of this study would suggest that, out of this wide range of factors, the presence of politicians espousing some variation of climate scepticism, the existence of organised interests that feed sceptical coverage, and partisan media receptive to this message, all play a particularly significant role in explaining the greater prevalence of sceptical voices in the print media of the USA and the UK.”
To those who despair of the success of sceptical lobbying, the message is clear: learn one of the languages of Brazil, China or India.
WUWT suggests he’s wrong…
Climate Change … Who Cares?
Thanks to the blog of the irrepressible Hilary Ostrov, a long-time WUWT commenter, I found out about a poll gone either horribly wrong or totally predictably depending on your point of view. It’s a global poll done by the United Nations, with over six million responses from all over the planet, and guess what?
The revealed truth is that of the sixteen choices given to people regarding what they think are the important issues in their lives, climate change is dead last. Not only that, but in every sub-category, by age, by sex, by education, by country grouping, it’s right down at the bottom of the list. NOBODY thinks it’s important.
Now, people are always saying how the US is some kind of outlier in this regard, because polls in the US always put climate change down at the bottom, whereas polls in Europe generally rate it somewhat higher. But this is a global poll, with people chiming in from all over the planet. The top fifteen countries, in order of the number of people voting, were Mexico, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Yemen, Philippines, Thailand, Cameroon, United States, Ghana, Rwanda, Brazil, Jordan, and Morocco … so this appears to be truly representative of the world, which is mostly non-industrialized nations.
So the next time someone tries to claim that climate change is “the most important challenge facing the world” … point them to the website of the study, and gently inform them that the rest of the world doesn’t buy that kind of alarmist hogwash for one minute.
climate change my backside,i and everybody i know where i live have been freezing are nuts of for the last few weeks,in fact it seems to be getting colder by the day,sometimes i wonder if all these climate change nutters live in there houses with there central heating on day and night,hence there brains are melting in there own heads with this false belief about global warming and climate change.
“Predominantly an Anglo-Saxon medium”
Yes, bet then I can only read Scientific papers in English. But fortunately, everyone in the World produces Scientific papers in English, with few exceptions.
I would agree that things in Britain are worse than in India and China, but that is because of censorship by the BBC.
But with foreigners Ned Nikolov, Karl Zeller and Gerhard Gerlich proving that Man cannot be the cause and foreigners Ed Fix, Carlo Tosti, Nicola Scafetta, Paul Vaughan, Ian Wilson, David Archibald, Nir Shaviv and Henrik Svensmark showing proof of what the causes are.
This only proves that Anglo-Saxon is the predominant medium of choice throughout the World, and all because of the Armada followed by the first British Empire, Waterloo, the second British Empire, two World Wars and the Cold War victory.
One wonders how long the BBC will ride the climate change bandwaggon? For what it’s worth my forecast is five more years maximum. At a certain point people will be asking why hasn’t the catastrophe happened as predicted.
Then, my prediction is, with Harrabin retired and his crew either retired or or moved on, the BBC will quietly drop the issue and never reference their part in it.
I think people are already asking, and have been for some time – fourteen years in the case of our ‘children not knowing what snow is’, and over eighteen years in the case of predicted ‘catastrophic warming, due to man-produced greenhouses gases, specifically CO2’.
We have given up asking, now, because sensible answers are there none, just ever more radical wild excuses as to why their alarmist forecasts have come to nowt.
We all check the true situation via BishopHill, WattsupwithThat, and StevenGoddard – we see every day, graphically how the likes of the “climate sceantists” lie through their teeth, and also how NASA/NOAA deliberately tamper with data to blatantly show the required result to fit the agenda, and we wonder how it is that the ordinary man in the street can see what’s occurring, yet the blinkered fools of governments, the MSM, and the BBC/Channel 4 in particular, either can’t, or don’t want to.
It all depends how determined the common purpose comrades of Agenda 21 (which absolutely includes the BBC) are to see the Agenda through to completion. The most important thing to know about ‘man-made climate change’ or ‘catastrophic anthropogenic global warming’ (CAGW) is that it is not now, nor has it ever been, about science.
It’s politics. It’s a left wing political agenda masquerading as science in order to sneak massive wealth redistribution under the noses of world governments, via the UN’s opaque money laundering services – all in the service of a socialist, agrarian agenda which absolutely wants to see the creation not just of a UN police force, but also of a UN World Climate Court (all in the name of ‘Gaia’).
I really, really wish I was making this stuff up. Sadly, even as the latest ‘Conference of the Parties’ (CoP) kicks off in Lima, Peru to once again try and plan another staged robbery of global taxpayer’s money (in the name of the planet, of course), it looks likely that these criminals and racketeers are in this for the long haul – and for as much power and cash as they can successfully make off with before they are all finally rumbled.
This shindig of artificially raising the price of energy, was based on the now discredited AGW to pay for the UN’s sustainability programme. But governments, in the manner of outlaws, changed the scoundrel’s name to Climate Change. So whichever way the Climate behaves, we pay. If such a scheme had been operated by a casino, it would be closed down, and the operators facing prison time.
It may just have been acceptable if the tax revenue had been put to good use. But to put the revenue in the wind turbine scam- which apart from the fact that wind turbines are inefficient, do not provide energy when required, destabilise the grid, are an eyesore as well.
When the penny drops and subsidies run out, as surely they must, we will be left with tens of thousands of derelict monstrosities, and a wantonly destroyed grid that will have to be set right at extra expense.
PS
What is truly astonishing is the rapid maturity of Climate Change Science. Less then ten years ago, Climate Change science emerged from the failure of AGW as another “settled science ” science. But Climate Change science has avoided the fate of AGW as it predicts change. Thus all and any change, even zero change, is correctly predicted post-facto. This makes Climate Change science the first science in human history, to be 100% correct all the time, and thus can be regarded as “settled”.
DP111,
Meanwhile, having passed every test thrown at it, Einstein’s theories are still just that…theories. These modern climate scientists must be so much cleverer than Albert.
A few decades ago the BBC was promoting global cooling theory, with images of snow blowing across the ice pack as an illustration, and yet now that the same cause is apparently having the opposite effect they aren’t even a little critical of things.
Exactly. The theory of Relativity is just that – a theory. It is not a settled science. Even Einstein would have been aghast (outraged, though flattered) that his theory was the end of the matter – settled that is.
I get the feeling that BBC wallahs can just about grasp temperature readings, and some sort of average or mean. Having mastered, what must appear a complex scientific process, they feel that they have understood it – and the matter is settled.
Most BBC types pride themselves in not understanding simple arithmetic. They think it is beneath them to devote their superior intellects to such trivial matters as say finding the mean.
I would have thought the same, but Mother nature having a wicked sense of humour, there has been practically no change in the temperature of the climate for near to two decades now.
Indeed. There is too much money (and reputations) involved for them to simply walk away.
It’ll be a little like every ‘disaster’ that the liberal know it alls have come up with to keep us all scared and forever in their embrace, only they can protect us…AIDS, BSE, ebola nuclear winters, salmonella, listeria, etc,etc,etc…everything will kill us, everything is a doomsday scenario. As usual they can never be wrong.
They must think that some people actually don’t have a brain that they can use to find out for themselves via the interweb thingy. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary when it comes to climate change, for instance, I holidayed in India a couple of years ago and read a local paper printed in English, in it was a story about part of the Himalayan Ice range that was bigger that year than it had ever been, despite the global warming threat that would drown us all the opposite had happened.
Was anything reported in the UK media when I got home? Of course not yet you try an deny it you’re a flat earth regressor, mention immigration and you’re a raging racist..the same old garbage, you simply can’t have an alternative view than that of the ‘progressives’.
Why would the warmists ever give up? After all we’ve had endless examples of the moral and financial bankruptcy directly caused by statism and socialism but this hasn’t stopped the comrades endlessly demanding the overthrow of private enterprise and capitalism. In a similar vein, the warmists will never cease their crusade because it has little to do with climate change or its effects on the third world. It’s all to do with the crushing of European civilisation and its descendants world-wide. Warmism itself may fail but there’ll always be some other intellectual plague to replace it. Rest assured the BBC will be there to enable the next load of statist and socialist garbage but, there again, what’s the licence fee for?
May I hazard, that mass uimmigration of people who are not adapted to cold climates, is very likely to cause AGW in European nations, which, as everyone knows, is where AGW is occuring. by keeping their homes at 30C.
Surely it cannot be a coincidence that AGW started as mass immigration started.
Comments like that could have got you labelled as a warmist.
Luckily that one is already taken;)
The largest mass immigrations started as the planet came out of the last ice age and ice vacated land became available. Better not tell the BBCers as they’ll not be able to cope with the idea that global warming helped mass immigration into Britain.
Umbongo: “Warmism itself may fail but there’ll always be some other intellectual plague to replace it. Rest assured the BBC will be there to enable the next load of statist and socialist garbage but, there again, what’s the licence fee for?”
I’ve said something similar here before – notice how AGW picked up momentum after Mandela was released and Apartheid came to an end? The righteous classes had a vacuum in their holier-than-thou existences which had to be filled by the next righteous cause to come along and AGW fitted the bill nicely.
With the BBC, naturally, fulfilling its self-appointed role as “conscience of the nation”.
Demonizing Israel also too off after the end of Apartheid helping to fill the void, although many leftists already supported the PLO in all their grizzly operations as they hated the idea that the Jews could defend themselves. Now the Beeboid view is often close to Nazism although they use the term “Zionists” to describe their hate figures rather than “Jews”.
For people who regard themselves as liberal and progressive, like many Guardian and BBC types, admiration of the way foreigners do things is just one way they let the rest of us know how clever, cultured and cosmopolitan they are – and by implication how stupid, unrefined and insular the rest of us are in comparison.
(Foreigners in this context excludes people from Israel and the USA)
I don’t usually comment on climate change posts, funnikly enough because it doesn’t interest me much. But I don’t see that this post makes any sense.
Richard Black’s article is about newspaper coverage of climate change ie coverage of sceptics v nonsceptics.
This poll you’ve referred to seems to be a survey of how important people rate climate change in their own priorities. Is it any surprise if people in Yemen are most interested in decent healthcare for themselves and their families or having a job than climate change?
If ‘NOBODY thinks it’s important’, then I presume people only care marginally more about Protecting forests, rivers and oceans or are only mildy more interested in being free from ‘discrimination and persecution’.
And just because its not the biggest priority for people, many of them in developing countries, which isnt remotely surprising, how does that make them ‘climate deniers’?!
Maybe I’m missing something here AL, but what has Richard Black’s article about a different piece of research looking at a different topic, several years ago, have to do with this UN poll??
If being seen to make sense is a priority you are seeking to push, the new edit option offers a valuable few minutes to at least sort out key aspects of content, beyond being the latest occasional contributor to feel it’s worth adding how rarely they are moved to grace the forum with presumption, doesn’t interest, what seems or is missed.
Maybe you should heed your own advice and take advantage of the edit facility, in order to reshape your own contribution into something vaguely resembling English.
Welcome to the thread, and maybe even the forum, Marsh!
And a stellar defence of JE, whilst he’s off elsewhere.
I must confess that I do usually stray to teasing on occasion when hard to resist, but mostly try to share posts on BBC inaccuracy, lack of objectivity or integrity. As it interests me.
Looking forward to you joining in on these bases too, unless this visit is more driving by?
Funnikly yours,
The poll shows how the BBC s totally biased approach to the Global Warming scam [ see link]
http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/28-gate-bbc-crisis-deepens-in-exposure-of-rigged-and-unlawful-climate-policy/
Has led to their increasingly desperate stream of lies , & their claim that Global Warming is the biggest threat facing the world
Because more people [ especially in the UK ] have realised the
truth [ & experienced the real , not modelled climate results ], they have been saying that the rest of the world is more worried about AGM than the UK .
This UN poll of millions of people around the world just proves how the BBC has been lying again . .
AT http://agwunveiled.blogspot.com discover:
1. Historical evidence that CO2 change does not cause climate change.
2. The two factors that correlate 95% since before 1900 with average global temperature.
3. An explanation of why CO2 change does not cause climate change.