The Telegraph published this article about so-called cultural appropriation, the adoption of other races’ or culture’s art, music and style…apparently it’s not allowed…at least for White people to ‘Black up’, metaphorically, culturally, speaking.
Azealia Banks vs Iggy Azalea: ‘Privileged white people shouldn’t steal hip-hop’
It’s a minefield out there….cultural theft, cultural smudging, identity theft, reverse racism, bigotry, the ‘angry black woman syndrome’, minstrelsy, fetishized depictions of black people for the entertainment of white audiences…a cheap circus act….and so on.
It’s a whole academic study. Which I think is the point. It’s an industry for the ‘professional Black’ and not a few Whites who makes a living out of ‘campaigning’ against alleged racism.
Naturally there is genuine racism lurking out there but these people seek to create and exaggerate it and are intent on fostering anger and feelings of alienation that they leech off…parasites creating dangerous disharmony to fill their own pockets with money.
The BBC are pretty keen to go down this road and accept that White people should not adopt Black or other races’ cultural heritage.
Alvin Hall perfectly illustrated the mindset a while back in a confused rant about racism and Black music which we looked at previously….
Viva Hate
A narrative that Hall shoehorns in regardless of the facts…..‘cultural theft’, ‘pillaging Black music’, ‘minstrelsy’ are some phrases that give a clue to the line he takes.
The USA was practically an apartheid State right up until the late 60’s, there is no doubt that that held back some musicians and Black music businesses….amongst others.
But that is not the whole picture, but it is a picture that Hall wants to present, that Blacks were controlled and exploited by Whites, and he does so despite at the same time giving us facts that contradict that narrative.
He blames racism for Blues musicians and singers not getting their rightful dues….but goes onto say that it was the Black middle class that thought Blues was below them and not something they wanted to be associated with.
He tells us that White companies just weren’t interested in Black Music…but then contradicts that….and tells of Black music companies and radio stations that exploited Blacks.
He tells us that Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson sold out…they were compromised, ‘whitewashed’….they weren’t authentically ‘Black’…..so highly successful…and yet Hall can’t really accept that.
He tells us that Hip hop was born from the ghetto, the ghetto that the Black Middle class left behind them….and all that was left for the remaining inhabitants was drugs, drink and crime, which they put into their music….Hip hop and Rap.
But then he tells us that it is the White folks buying the records that are forcing and encouraging Blacks to become ‘Minstrels’, stereotypes of Black people…it is the fault of the Rap record buying public (66% white) who are to blame for ‘Gangsta Rap’…..the Whites enjoying the ‘thrill of the alien culture’.
He puts the case that success comes at a terrible price…selling their soul…and once again it is the whites who are manipulating and controlling Blacks.
Hall doesn’t seem to like success unless it is ‘authentically Black‘……and even when it is ‘Authentically Black‘ as in Rap, he claims that is just an unwelcome stereotype.
The final ironic statement about that very definitely Black music, Rap and Hip Hop, was this….
‘Now this is unacceptable…this is not who we are.’
It bubbled up again recently in this piece about ‘Native American’ art…
#BBCTrending: Fashion Week controversy over Native design
Native American fashion designer Bethany Yellowtail posted a comparison of a dress she had released last year and a design shown this week by London-based KTZ.
“The dress as stated on my website embodies a Crow design from my great great grandmother…funny I didn’t realize @ktz_official knew the Yellowtails or the Crow people,” she writes.
“It’s one thing for designers to be unoriginal and knock off other peoples designs but what happens when you blatantly take cultural valuable designs from Indigenous people? Let’s find out….#CanANativeLive #boycott #KTZ #ktzofficial #boycottKTZ”
Judge for yourself…
Personally I think she is talking out of her papoose.
We also had the subject on Woman’s Hour (10:30) a while back and Jane Garvey was excruciatingly apologetic for being white as she went on to discuss ‘White people stealing Black culture’…..we also hear a lot about those ‘Pale, male and stale’ whites who apparently control everything such as award ceremonies…and are racist…because they are white. So racist, sexist and dismissive of a culture in one small phrase on Women’s Hour.
On cultural theft (35 mins in)…Garvey wants to know what makes Black people angry….apparently it’s Iggy Azalea who is ‘deeply offensive and racist’ for singing rap in a ‘Black’ style…it’s colonialisation all over again, a sense of entitlement to something she doesn’t have permission to use….even Myley Cyrus using Black backing singers is cultural theft, ‘accessorizing Black’.
We hear that Black cultural styles aren’t attractive on Black people and are only popularised when whites adopt them….that’s bad we learn….er….if it’s not attractive on Black people why then do white people then adopt a style that is so ‘unattractive’?
They talk of Big Butts on White women…But are J-Lo or Kim Kardashian white? Can’t say Big Butts, Black or White, get the vote with anyone I know in the real world.
Garvey goes along with the narrative and feeds in her own thoughts to keep it going.
Iggy Azalea is deeply offensive Garvey suggests.
Dreadlocks on White people are also Haram…..Mainstream media can’t stomach dreadlocks on Black people and they only become acceptable when Whites start to use them.
Garvey says ‘No wonder you feel so offended…I totally get that!’
However again…can’t think of anyone who thinks White people look good in Dreads…and indeed just watched ‘The Inbetweeners 2’ andone of the biggest dicks in the film had Dreads…and was, obviously, white.
It could just be that dreadlocks are just weird whatever colour skin you have and very few people can carry them off with any style.
Happily though, the media might be changing we are told.
‘Times are changing and about time too’ Garvey expresses in relief.
The BBC of course never changes its tune.
I would suggest that all this talk about cultural theft and appropriation of Black style is highly divisive and hardly inline with the BBC’s supposed task of ensuring ‘social cohesion’… It looks more like the BBC is intent on sowing discord and disharmony and inciting anger against white people for some imagined racial crime.
I am guessing that a Black person singing an Italian opera, in Italian, is not classed as ‘cultural appropriation’ by the BBC…..and Vincent Osborne is your typical ghetto boy, ain’t he just….
and as we walk in every shopping centre every day, there are men sleeping inside doorways with nothing but a blanket to keep these men warm.who are these people you might ask,lazy bums and druggies.oh no.these are white poor men who served there country in the british armed services then abandoned by are goverment and local councils to rot under there grubby blankets with just a dog for company,can you tell me the last time you saw a muslim man or black man sleeping rough on the streets of the uk and inside shop doorways.no. it is always just poverty stricken white and sometimes women.
Maybe its because muslims aren’t supposed to be junkies drinking alcohol or taking drugs? Yes it is awful that there are ex-veterans who end up being homeless, but you cannot blame it specifically on the blacks/muslims/ethnic minorities and get angry at THEM for it.
I also actually see a lot of Eastern Europeans now sleeping rough (not exactly white) and also Asians and blacks selling Big Issues in my city.
Is it cultural appropriation for a black person to play Shakespeare with the exceptions of two roles specified as black? If so The Globe is guilty every play I’ve seen there. And what about a non-Jew playing Shylock? These bigots are beyond belief.
Cultural appropriation ? Oh dear, Lenny where for art thou ? The black musketeers ? Shurly sum mistuke ? All the black actors shoehorned into whitey roles ? All ‘dem highly professional parts like Judges, Police detectives, Barristers all played by immigrants far more than their percentage of the population would let you think. I look forward to the bbc putting all the races into their little ghettos and staying there rather than their ever increasing ” affirmative action” .
Lenny old son it’s back to being a Minstrel on Tiswas for you.
Black James Bond, anyone?
#notculturalappropriation
#notracist
#doublestandards
#scrapthetellytax
No, James Bond, but a “black” Miss Moneypenny, as I recall. Tokenism says it all.
How many white actors discriminated against so that token “half-blacks” can be inserted to prove the producers are not “racist” – they are by definition.The only person who should get the job is the most talented, whatever their colour.
No, we are run by white producers using “race quotas”. Just watch any television advert and count the number of seconds until a black face appears. Its no accident, those adverts cost a million pounds a minute. Blacks should be insulted by being patronised in this way, but recent experience with West Indians suggests they are as racist as everyone else, only they keep quiet about it, to their advantage.
Poor old Jayne.
Her star seemed to move swiftly sideways after her classic “empty champagne bottles in the corridors of the BBC” gaffe.
If the BBBC website had an honours system I’m sure she would be less than pleased to see our top award on her CV!
There must be plenty of Chinese, Thais and Indians in the country who are pleased whitey appropriated the taste of their food!
I believe the black / coloured (not quite sure how to descibe them after Cumberbatch got it wrong in the U.S. recently) people have rather derogatory terms for their kind who “integrate”.
In the beginning the World was Black…and Muslim and Allah looked down and it was Good.
Then the Earth was rent asunder and legions of White Nazi Storm Troupers, Chelsea Fans and Farage-look-a-likes, the Spawn of the Devil, came forth and the BBC looked down and saw that it was Bad.
These professional sh1t-stirrers only get away with their antics because the media are institutionally-biased. Among the vast number of what-abouteries I could add, What About The WILLIAMS SISTERS? These ‘ladies’ make a vast fortune gate-crashing white sport.
RACIST NAZI FASCISTS!!!!
Tony Hawks here isn`t it?
Wonder why the BBC don`t play this one, given his ubiquitous and unfunny bits on Radio 4?
Surely he ought to be proud of celebrating black culture as well as raising awareness of Tory cuts to speech and language provision.
Anyone tell me why we don`t hear this one more then?…maybe an Imam might take offence?
Yep Tony Hawks and I remember stutter Rap being showcased on Blue Peter. Personally being a fan of punk rock heavy metal & indie rock all the music I listen to is hideously white (and therefore gets minimum media coverage)…and I don’t care.
I’m sure there must be a ‘phobia’ or ‘ism’ of some sort with which to label those who mock people with speech impediments.
This gets the Big ‘So What’ .Culture is there to be stolen is it?
As regards the Blues and early rock and roll, it is quite true to say that black performers were given short shrift in the US. What did it for the Blues guys at that time was the emergence of the British Blues scene which provided an opportunity in this country to showcase the original US Black talent over here.
Anyone that thinks pop music doesnt in large part own a great debt to black influences is living in cloud cuckoo land.
So what is this all about. Same old same old for this site unfortunately, and its called racism. If ya all white folks could at least define what you mean by British Culture or British Way of life it might at least be a start,but when asked this question there is the usual dull silence.
I’ll start the ball rolling
Pushing Blacks off trains
Getting Drunk a lot
Eating Italian Pizza or Indian vindaloo or maybe a spot of Chinese.
Watching football
Reading the gutter press and believing it.
Not having an independant mind.
Winning the second world war (although we didnt)
Losing the wars in the middle east and helping to create ISIS and increase domestic terrorism.
Hating Black ,Brown people and foreigners in general.
Liking the Spitfire
Drinking a lot
Working in Tescos/on a building site/Call centre or for free on an ‘internship’ (interment)
Violence
Drinking
Watching TV
Going to Football
Please amend/add where appropriate.
Good at winning Oscars though.
And inventing,discovering,writing,filming etc.etc.
I’ll just confine myself to one thing – inventiveness (the list is not exhaustive, Scots can add quite a lot more if they wish):
Isaac Newton (1642-1727). Gravitation, laws of motion, theory of light.
Robert Hooke (1625-1703). Wrote Micrographia, the first book describing observations made through a microscope. Was the first person to use the word “cell” to identify microscopic structures. Formulated Hooke’s Law – a law of elasticity for solid bodies.
Henry Cavendish (1731-1810). Discovered the composition of water and measured the gravitational attraction between two bodies.
Joseph Priestly, (1733-1804). Discovered Oxygen.
Humphrey Davy (1778-1829). Discovered the elements potassium, sodium, strontium, calcium, magnesium and barium nitrous oxide.
Michael Faraday (1791-1867). Widely regarded as the greatest ever experimental scientist. Conceived the idea of lines of force in magnetism, discovered electromagnetic induction, developed the laws of electrolysis.
Charles Darwin (1809-1882). Created modern evolutionary theory.
James Prescott Joule (1818-1889). Calculated the mechanical equivalent of heat.
John Dalton, (1766-1844). Created modern atomic theory.
Sir J J Thomson (1856-1940). Discovered the electron and made the first attempt to represent atoms in terms of positive and negative energy.
Sir James Chadwick 1891-1974. Discovered the neutron.
Francis Crick (1916- ). Joint discoverer of the structure of DNA.
Thomas Savery (1650-1715). Invented the first commercial steam engine – a steam pump.
Thomas Newcomen (1663-1729). Improved Savery’s engine by introducing the piston.
Richard Trevithick (1771 – 1833). Invented the high pressure steam engine. Built the first steam locomotive.
George Stephenson (1781-1848). Made the railway a practical reality.
Abraham Darby (1678-1717). Developed the process of smelting iron using coke.
Sir Henry Bessemer, 1813-1898. Devised a process for making steel on a large scale.
James Hargreaves (1722-1778). Invented the spinning jenny.
John Kay (1733-1764). Invented the flying shuttle.
Samuel Crompton (1753-1827). Invented the spinning mule.
Richard Arkwright (1732-1792) Invented the waterframe.
Edmund Cartwright (1743-1823). Invented the power loom.
John Harrison (1693-1776) First to build watches accurate enough to solve the longitude measurement problem.
Edward Jenner (1743-1823). Developed scientific vaccination.
Joseph Lister (1827-1912). Developed antisepsis.
Sir Joseph Whitworth (1803-1887) standardised screw threads, produced first true plane surfaces in metal, developed ductile steel.
Henry Maudslay (1771-1831). Invented the screw-cutting lathe and the first bench micrometer that was capable of measuring to one ten thousandth of an inch.
Joseph Bramah (1748-1814). Invented the hydraulic press.
John Walker (1781- 1859). Invented the first friction matches.
John Smeaton (1724-1792) made the first modern concrete (hydraulic cement).
Joseph Aspdin (1788-1855) invented Portland Cement, the first true artificial cement.
Humphrey Davy (1778-1829). Invented the first electric light, the arc lamp.
Michael Faraday (1791-1867). Invented the electric motor.
Isambard Kingdom Brunel (1806-1859). Built the first really large steam ships – the Great Britain, Great Western, Great Eastern.
Sir Isaac Pitman (1813-1897). Devised the most widely used modern shorthand.
Sir Charles Wheatstone (1802 – 1875). Developed an electric telegraph at the same time as Samuel Morse.
Rowland Hill (1795-1879). Invented adhesive postage stamps.
John Herschel (1792-1871). Invented the blueprint.
William Henry Fox Talbot (1800-1877) Invented the negative-positive photography and latent image shorter exposure time.
Sir Joseph William Swan (1828-1914). Invented the dry photographic plate. Invented, concurrently with Edison, the light bulb.
Sir William Henry Perkin (1838-1907). Created the first artificial dye – aniline purple or mauveine – and the first artificial scent, coumarin.
Alexander Parkes (1813-90). Created the first artificial plastic, Parkensine.
Sir George Cayley (1773-1857). Worked out the principles of aerodynamics, his “On Ariel Navigation” showed that a fixed wing aircraft with a power system for propulsion, and a tail to assist in the control of the airplane, would be the best way to allow man to fly. Also invented the caterpillar track.
Sir Frank Whittle (1907-1996). Took out the first patents for a turbojet.
Sir Christopher Cockerell (1910-1999). Invented the hovercraft.
Charles Babbage (1792-1871). Worked out the basic principles of the computer.
Alan Turin (1912-1954). Widely considered the father of modern computer science – worked out the principles of the digital computer.
Tim Berners-Lee (1955-). Invented the World Wide Web defining HTML (hypertextmarkup language), HTTP (HyperText Transfer Protocol) and URLs (Universal Resource Locators).
Yes yes, lots of scientists but while you get off on that, the big question is how do these names inform current culture. The answer is they dont, and I say that with considerable sadness.
It isnt like we have burgeoning Science budgets or massive investment in R&D (Graphene being a perfect example). King College researchers purge also comes to mind.
Furthermore a considerable number of Science courses have been axed throughout the Education system.
I’ll bet more people can name the stars of a few soaps than glean any names from this list let alone the impact of their work. That includes Hawking who has just won an oscar . Sad but true.
I think I’ll stick to my original list if its all the same.
The country used to have a merit based education system that developed the most able to become the elite. It was a natural, cost-effective system. Then the politics of envy gained dominance and everyone has to be considered equally capable. Those not achieving are considered, by definition, to have been somehow disadvantaged and vast sums are spent trying to remedy their loss. ‘Voluntary-sector’ quangos continually spring up to campaign for some new disadvantage. [These used to be called charities when they were voluntary; now that they ‘attract’ government funding and are not voluntary, they are ‘voluntary-sector’]. Benefit claimants, females, ethnics, etc., are shoved up the exam-grade scale [do not pass Go; collect one hundred points], or have dedicated quotas. Having got this ‘fairness’ agenda well-established, now we’re extending the model to the wider world. Come one, come all.
And you wonder why we’re doing less well at R&D?
Last 3 names on the list. “No impact on current culture.” Said the man using a computer to post messages to a website (along with 3 billion other internet users).
I recall Melvyn Bragg on a In Our Time special on the Industrial Revolution mentioning a few of the above and taking some pride in the fact that that they were British, only for him to be called a racist by one of the female leftie professors who was meant to be an expect in the field
Apparently, our world leading role in the IR was due to the fact that we had lots of coal!
I dread to think how her brain washed students would have got a proper essay on the inventive genius of the British at that time past her.
Melvyn was really upset at the slur.
There are plenty of people whose removal from the limelight would constitute a massive gain to society at large.
There’s the rapper-serenader and the others of his sort.
The poet anarchist – I’ve got him on the list !
All those who read the Guardian for to exercise their thought,
They never would be missed – they never would be missed !
Then the Gramscian twit who praises with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this and every culture but their own,
And the harridan from Islington who dresses like a guy,
Who doesn’t practice Fifty Shades though sure she’d like to try,
And that singular anomaly – the eco-mentalist –
I’m sure he won’t be missed – I’m sure he won’t be missed !
There’s that terroristic butcher who just now is rather rife,
The crazy Islamist – I’ve got HIM on the list !
And the vegan-vegetarians who fart into your face
They never would be missed – they never would be missed !
And apologetic dhimmis of the most obsequious kind
Such as “What d’you call him – is it Dave ? ” – and likewise, never mind.
And “tut-tut-tut… “ and “what’s his name” and likewise Mili-who ?
The task of filling out the blanks I’d rather leave to you.
But it doesn’t really matter who you put on to this list –
They never would be missed – they never would be missed !
Except for people who liked rap I assume!
ManonClaphamOmnibus
Can I add to your sorry description of the views you believe are held by the “Man on the Clapham omnibus”, (yourself?), being taught by teachers who do not correct the incorrect use of capital letters or spelling as long as you get the idea over. A sorry reflection on more than 40 years of comprehensive education!
Perhaps you attended before somebody finally realised that mixed ability classes achieved exactly the opposite to the intention of the brightest helping to improve the “challenged”!
I went to a Grammar School and Ive never learned to type because up until recently my secretary did all that stuff.
You dont know my views because Ive never shared them with you.
Just remembered actually I typed out a thesis and used lots of typex as it happened so you may have a point.
Anyway who cares, if thats you only gripe I am home and dry.
Add: inability to spell.
Racist.
This site does get very annoying when posts like the above get orphaned – I’ll give you that ManonClaphamOmnibus.
BTW my comment was aimed at you.
The post is designed to wind people. To get them to digress and attack it and thus dilute the message this blog is trying to send.
Firstly there isnt a message – there are just a lot of racist and xenophobic comments which arent worth a can of beans let alone dent the integrity ,or otherwise, of the BBC.
If ranting is the message then who is meant to be the recipient. It is possible to have a rational discussion and my post suggests exactly that.
I realise it may be a bit like the Monolith that the Chimps find in the begining of 2001 A Space Odyssey but intellegent discourse is not only possible but can also result in enlightening discoveries. Try it sometime!
Good effin grief what a bumptious asshole .
I say it once more. Until the BBC tells us why it did not cover the March on Sunday -we all know which one- it has no integrity. Suppression of news that is unwelcome is the first step to routine censorship and the managed media of the old USSR.
2001 is an odd film to use as an example of exactly what?
The BBC as a superior being /guide /divine force perhaps?
£145.50 for a “so called” superior being /guide /divine force ? You must be joking , I demand my money back.
Oh, I dunno, Mr Omnibus – you could start with the Magna Carta and roll it on from there.
But then we’d end up with a balanced and unbigoted view of ourselves, wouldn’t we and that would be terrible because a nation at ease with itself and others would be such a magnet for all those foreigners that we hate.
How is the Magna Carta relevant to todays culture?
BTW some suggest my post is a wind up. I would say to that that If people have an issue with the watering down of ‘our’ culture I would suggest its encumbent on them to say what out culture actually is.
We could start before the Romans if you wanted but you would have to show how that impinges on our current culture. I’d suggest it doesnt. Culture is probably renewed
every 25 years and possibly defined by the young which as I said on other post is why X Factor plays a bigger role in many peoples lives that quantum mechanics or motor mechanics even.
as youve mentioned astrophysics….
the magna carta is relevent because its the foundation for our democracy, for eg, right to trial by ones peers
saying this isnt relevent is like saying edwin hubbles scientific paper 80 years ago that our galaxy isnt the entire universe, its just one of many galaxies, isnt relative anymore
both documents continue to expand our knowledge and our destiny
Well thats my point .The right by trial by ones peers is not only the exception it is gradually being whittled away by succesive Governments. Moreover so has seeing the evidence being presented agaignst you as well as the possibility of your case being heard in absentia in a secret court. The presumption of innocence has also gone.
Edwin Hubble was an American but albeit his outstanding work has been largely eclipsed by later developments in cosmology particularly in the field of dark energy and dark matter. Him gone I am afraid in the pile with all the other great names.
Faraday ,thinking about it, still lives in the Xmas Royal Society lectures so maybe he is still part of British Culture. Nice Guy as well from all accounts.
Would that be the Romans who raped, pillaged and murdered their way across the country,
Or the Normans who taxed, raped, pillaged and murdered their way across the country,
Or the current invasion of muslims who are taking over where everyone else left off.
Culture isn’t ‘renewed’, culture is forced onto people who don’t really want it, more recently by the self righteous left, it’s always been that way, just ask the bbc seeing as they seem to have been around since time began and love telling us how we are a mixed race of mongrels, well, since the 50s at least.
It’s interesting how people like you and the liberal left believe that every invasion on the UK was good and enriched us all but the British empire was nothing but evil and we should all be ashamed of it.
You might be amazed to hear that I’m quite well travelled, I love to see how other people live, (and that doesn’t include getting pissed and disgracing myself…wow, who knew, I’m English and know how to behave)!! I love it when people tell me how much they love the UK and love our football…a sport most of the world seem to enjoy and want to talk about…instant common bond, try it some time.
It’s pretty hard to define the building of our culture seeing as none of us have been alive over the last thousand years or so but it doesn’t take much of a dip back into the archives to see that our culture has changed for the worse, mainly down to a minority of white British hating liberals who despise this country and only see the negatives…a bit like yourself.
You see, your negative little diatribe is symptomatic of the lefty British hating moron you are, and, contrary to your belief that we are all cockney, racist little Englander’s we English like to adopt and enjoy other cultures, hence the success of foreign foods in the UK for instance, so I suggest you ask some immigrants why they want to experience the British culture so much?
Maybe it’s the culture of British Fair play, or maybe our tradition of taking in asylum seekers when required, or maybe our culture of giving money away by the bucket load, or maybe our culture of not minding other cultures flourishing, despite the negative effect it may have on the country in the long term (you know, like the mass rape of children and cutting heads off in streets).
The X factor is a perfect example of the dumbing down of this country, you are another.
‘Culture is probably renewed every 25 years and possibly defined by the young…’
Thanks for clarifying your understanding of ‘culture’.
Nothing more to be said.
Anybody who makes a statement like that should be ignored. You are right. Nothing more to be said.
If your ability to construct an argument is anything to go by, this list is more a reflection of the circles you move in than the country as a whole.
You missed;
Being slated by superior wankers like yourself.
Man on the bus:
Definition of British culture? Read Orwell, he had much to say about it, especially its finer points and how delicate and fragile it was with its habit of modesty, civility and polite deference.
I suggest you go spend six months in Pakistan, or Nigeria, and compare it to one of the declining number of English towns where English is still the predominant culture. I’m sure you’ll change your mind for believing that there is no such thing British culture.
Scott, I prefer you real name rather than pretending to someone who rides on buses, you are very dismissive of indigenous White people, why so ? Does it only get hard when rubbing up against a black or brown skin ?
I’ll give you a list of your own to cut into little pieces.
Raping little white girls
Importing drugs and selling them to children
Having a culture where you spread your seed and expect the white guys to pay for your bastards
Treating schools as a playground not a place of learning
Grievance culture
Violence
Smoking a lot of Ganga
Playing too much football as your route out of poverty.
Making a “youth culture” which glorifies gangsterism, sexism and drug culture.
Wanting something without wanting to work for it
Please amend or shake your little fist at “whatever”
Making a “youth culture” which glorifies gangsterism, sexism and drug culture
That’s rap music’s legacy, which is why Jayne need not worry about me appropriating it. Sadly, far too many do like it, and it helps them make shit of their lives.
Busmans Holiday in Clapham must be Scott or one of his “aides” ,Isn`t Clapham Common a hangout for those who like young men ?
As a blues fan I’m a great admirer of the old greats such as Howlin Wolf, John Lee Hooker, Little Walter et al.
Equally, I love the blues/R & B interpretations of Alexis Korner, John Mayall, The Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Cream, Led Zep etc. More importantly, so did those old black bluesmen – not least because those British bands revitalised and popularised the music and gave it a massive boost both sides of the Atlantic, which was to their mutual benefit.
And that’s the way music develops, isn’t it?
Those old black bluesmen knew they had a unique musical culture but they were happy to share and develop it and make it a joy for all. Here’s to you guys – real musical heroes, not some race-obsessed, overpaid, whingeing half-talents.
And then there’s Jazz………….. very black indeed!
‘And then there’s Jazz………….. very black indeed!’
Played on instruments invented by….
Thus proving my point.
“Played on instruments invented by….”
Exactly.
And widely influenced by ….. you name it.
Rap was invented over 100 years ago by Gilbert and Sullivan. Listen to “Modern major general” from the Pirates of Penzance. Rhyming within lines and lots of alliteration – the principle traits of rap. The major difference of course is that Arthur Sullivan could actually write decent tunes rather than just nick them from elsewhere.
Yes, another hideously white English contribution to world culture. So yo! black cousins! stop nicking our culture. Invent your own.
A brief search reveals this (poor) example of G&S rap. 4.05 in.
Good point. Just DWEMs again though, aren’t they?
Rap reminds me of the chanting I used to hear in the school playground as an infant. Grew out of around 8 or 9.
Random contact with BBC output these last 24 hours just tells me that they`re as guilty of cultural patronage as any bloke in dreadlocks.
But THEIR cultures that they romanticise and affect a passion for are deliberately offensive to law abiding, family focused people-and dads especially.
The last 24 hours had a Storyville that seemed good until the last twenty minutes-when all we saw were gays getting discriminated against, mixed couples getting ostracised, single mums getting vilified.
Such wrongs did happen-but what of normal people who brought their kids up properly, didn`t holler for jobs or adopt perpetual victim status when they got rejected?
Only white and beige types-therefore of no interest to the BBC.
Ditto, only the peaceniks and white poppy brigade get any words on Dresden…the poor blokes and families that lost lives to spare us Hitler get nothing but scorn.
Add to this the Food Show on Radio 4-that tells me that prisoner restaurants will rehabilitate and reward the criminals-and I get the impression that only the criminal, the aimless lefty rebels and the agitprop race hustlers and Islamic shills get any sympathy from the liberal elite.
If we can`t get training or jobs-well Bulgers murderers get the nod instead-which is just how the left and the BBC prefer it.
Oh-and prison suicides…why not see them as freeing up cells, self-sentencing options made real-or simply the right thing to do given their crimes?
Course not-only the law-abiding old deserve the gurney, only the unborn can be neutralised,
The Left need their crims and deviants to create a hell for the rest of us…witness Jack Straw setting his rickshaw at £5,000 a pop.
Who says (war) crime doesn`t pay?…Prescott and Blair clearly show that it definitely does…as do Huhne and Pryce to show it`s not just one party that is so venal, corrupt and creepy…
He blames racism for Blues musicians and singers not getting their rightful dues….but goes onto say that it was the Black middle class that thought Blues was below them and not something they wanted to be associated with.
He tells us that White companies just weren’t interested in Black Music…but then contradicts that….and tells of Black music companies and radio stations that exploited Blacks.
As someone who has studied the history of the blues in detail, I can tell you that this isn’t as contradictory as it might appear, though whether it’s really racism is, that’s more of a reach by the author.
Most of the great Blues musicians, BB King, Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, Albert King, Albert Collins – they readily acknowledged that commercially the Blues was going nowhere until the British Blues boom in the 60’s. – John Mayall, the Stones, they helped drive a resurgence in the USA.
Now there’s the issue, why here and not there? It’s partly about class – Bill Cosby’s recent tirade against ‘Black Culture’ is similar to the Black middle class attitudes of the 60’s – i.e. if you act like a slave, and talk like a slave, then you are a slave to your history, not a bridge to the future. Blues, rightly or wrongly, as regarded as the song of the slave, the poor man, the lothario, the Drifter – all of these traits alien to the middle class lifestyles Blacks in the USA aspired to, and were beginning to reach in the North at least. The South still suffered segregation.
In the UK, the history was less a factor, so the association of music with slavery was gone (to all but the historians). Plus it was taken up by white musicians and molded to fit the fashions of the day – loud electric guitars (Cream and Taste for example). But as late as the mid 70’s, many blues musicians came to England to make records with white English musicians, and to tour here with pickup bands.
As for the exploitation of musicians – well that happens everywhere. It wasn’t just the Black musicians that got took for a ride, the history of the music business is littered with tails of the unscrupulous. But in this case there was also the issue that tape and equipment was very expensive, and studios made little money from record sales – it was always a small margin industry in the early days – so some recordings were indeed stolen and re pressed, but many artists simply made no money because their labels made no money either. Even Stax and Chess eventually went out of buisiness I think – unable to compete. And look at how their work is now regarded.
British culture in 2015 is about having the absolute self confidence to arbitrarily nick the best bits of everybody else’s culture whilst retaining a sense of humour about it and not giving a monkey’s toss about whether it’s “authentic” or not. Then going to the pub.
Other countries really struggle with this. Americans are too sanctimonious about other peoples cultures. Europeans (Southern Europeans at least) don’t have the innate self confidence to get much beyond their disappearing up the backsides of their own. So yes, there’s nothing more British than a white person doing hip-hop with a massive smirk and chucking in a bit more cheese and a bit less pitiful “ghetto” machismo bollocks.
As far as new British people go you’re only going to be integrated when you stop getting precious about your legacy culture let alone anyone else’s and join in.