Outrage at the BBC this morning. Guess what? Yes, SOME senior police officers do NOT know the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims! OMG. So says a former senior Muslim police officer
Dal Babu said some officers involved in the programme lacked basic knowledge of race and faith issues. Most Muslims did not trust the programme and many saw it as a form of spying, he said. He said because police counter-terrorism units were mainly white, with few Muslim officers, they did not fully understand issues of race, Islam and gender. Mr Babu said one senior police officer he had spoken to did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims.
Now, let’s leave Babu’s allegations to one side for a moment. The salient point here is how the BBC chooses to report these views and than provide balance. An uncredited Home office spokesman gets two sentences worth of response. Mr Babu gets ten times this. Fair?
I’m not sure if our senior Policing ranks need to also have a deep understanding of the Koran to be able to deal with Islamic terrorism. As for the theological distinction between Sunni and Shia that so concerns Babu one could suggest that this is measured in corpses wherever they come into conflict. One could also suggest to Mr Babu that it for Sunni and Shia muslims to adhere to the laws of the UK first and foremost and trying to divert attention from this and place it on imagined failings in the Police is rather shameful. However, since the BBC won’t allow this alternative view to be posited we shall never know, I guess.
Don’t Sunni and Shia like to kill each other?
we don’t mind them killing each other in their own backyard but unfortunately they like to spread things out and kill others first.
In essence, the sunnis and shias are fighting over the succession to Muhammed. Or to put it another way, who gets the spoils of war – which includes not just booty, but the division of Infidel woimen.
The rest, like the hidden imam stuff, are just addons that came much later.
If there is one thing they hate more than us it is each other
Don’t you mean “if there is one thing they hate more than each other it is us”?
To quote Diana West “They all have one enemy, the West – Shia and Sunni differences don’t matter when it comes to the common enemy.”
This is a good read.
The Last of England
by Mark Steyn
http://www.steynonline.com/6803/the-last-of-england
Does Mr Babu know the difference between, say, Methodists and Baptists? If not, STFU.
Or Catholic`s & Eastern Orthodox Churches ? I guess that`s a ” No” then.
Is it beyond the wit of the presenter to ask these questions?….Catholic/ Protestant, differences?
Hey, that was going to be MY line!!
But I bet he doesn’t know the difference between Traditional Catholics and Personal Ordinariates!!
“Prevent’s stated aim is to stop people becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism”… sounds fine, I’m sure Mr Babu has done all he can to help the police in this aim; I am sure he spent many long hours making sure the perceived ‘Lack of knowledge’ was addressed…did the BBC ask him this?
Surely you don’t expect that he would try and enlighten ignorant unclean Kaffirs.
The strategy for dealing with Islamic terror failed, but not for the reasons given by Babu the BBC’s ex bobby. It failed for the same reason military strategy failed when soldiers were told to win the hearts and minds of people who believe that it is right to kill those who do not share their beliefs and culture. It may be too late now, and perhaps there is not the will, but a radical programme of resettlement is needed for muslims who reject western culture so much that they endorse killing, as they did when they held their unreported demonstration against Charlie Hebdo in London. But we ought to think of re-settlement, despite the legal obstacles, before the killing starts here on a large scale. And I don’t mean recent immigrants without passports. We should re-settle, even if their ancestors came over with William the Conqueror. It is time to start thinking along these lines, our survival depends on it.
We should re-settle, even if their ancestors came over with William the Conqueror. It is time to start thinking along these lines, our survival depends on it.
You mean the Quislings who were in power, that turned a blind eye to the rapes of tens of thousands of young girls, so they could have votes.
I really cant think of a suitable punishment for these people – the Home secretaries, the chief constables, and the rest of the quangocracies, that allowed a national crime that has no precedent in history anywhere.
But the reality is that polls indicate that the same leftists/socialists will be elected by the people. So who do you punish?
‘You mean the Quislings who were in power, that turned a blind eye to the rapes of tens of thousands of young girls, so they could have votes.’
You are right. In the eyes of most good thinking people throughout the world this is a crime of such magnitude that mass arrests and punishment are required. But yes, they will escape punishment and the politicians who betrayed the children will be be voted back into power.
One might hope that people of good will would make their voices heard in response to the Oxford rapes. The EDL are going to Oxford on 4th April and stand accused of using the issue to further their own agenda. Opposing them are the following left worthies. From the UAF’s Facebook page.
“Support rolling in for Oxford UAF statement condemning EDL exploiting the suffering of Oxfordshire victims of child sex abuse. Latest signatories – Mohammed Abbasi – Mayor of Oxford, Roger McKenzie – Assistant Unison General Secretary, Craig Simmons – Oxford City Councillor, Dick Wolf – City Councillor, Mike Rowley – City Councillor (pc). Janice Godrich, National President PCS, John McInally, Vice President PCS, Fran Heathcoat, DWP President PCS, Jonathan Neale, Campaign Against Climate Change, Zita Holbourn, National Co-Chair BARAC and Sam Hollick, Leader of Green City Councillors’.
Where are the people who oppose the dreadful attacks on our children?
“Where are the people who oppose the dreadful attacks on our children? ”
My thoughts too. It looks to me as if the UAF and their BBC allies are actually supporting the criminals in their vile practices.
Great comment.
Kinda sorta, Fred. They hate each other, yes, but alot also depends upon where they’re from.
For instance, I was one of the few people I’d heard of who predicted that, during the Iraq war, the temporary truce between the Iraqi Shia and the Iranian Shia would fall apart. I was right.
You see, they have a grudge going back to Mesopotamian times. Babylonians/Assyrians/etc spent more time fighting Persians than any other group. Their history has been one long land grab, even up to the Iran-Iraq War in the ’80s. The fact is, Iraqi Shia hate Persians more than they hate Sunnis. These are people who can carry a grudge!
Mr Babu stated the Prevent strategy is toxic and muslims feel persecuted.They are suspicious of it. He said there are too many white people at the top of local safeguarding boards and what is needed is more diversity ,understanding of different cultures etc.
I thought for the past 30 years we have bent over backwards to understand and encourage communities to retain their cultures and way of life.That is the problem and the solution is not more of the same.
We’ve had enough of trying to understand the root causes of the rapes of tens of thousands of young Kuffar girls by the RoP.
I cannot understand how the Home secretaries of the previous Labour government did not know.
They didn’t want to know.
I think they did, or else there could not be a common policy over several constabularies, and of social services departments. If you look at this way, then it was government policy.
But votes for political survival were more important then the agony of tens of thousands of working class girls and their families.
The last Labour givernment has brought shame to England greater then the French collaborators to France. Atleast the French collaborators had the excuse they were occupied by a ruthless Nazi invader. What excuse does the Labour party have?
I’m regularly informed by Muslims on-line that the Koran is “the unfettered word of God”, so how are Sunnis and Shia’s different in any way?
As the Koran has never been reformed, don’t they all believe and adhere to exactly the same thing?
I’m regularly informed by Muslims on-line that the Koran is “the unfettered word of God”
Is that on the say so of the paedophile warlord and liar Muhammed?
As I understand it, their argument is not about the Koran, but about which family line after Mohammed was entitled to be the ‘big cheese’ in the elite of Muslims. It is a political dispute, not one of religious ideology. Which blood-line should rule the roost.
One interesting fact of Islam is that the Koran contains only a small part of the instructions for being a Muslim. The bulk of the requirements for being a Muslim are contained in the Hadiths and Sura, which are biographical stories and notes about life with their prophet.
As Mohammed is supposed to be the ‘perfect man’ in Islam, it is very important that Muslims behave as he did – which is derived from the Hadiths and Sura – rather than just follow what Allah is supposed to have related to the illiterate Mohammed; which ended up in the Koran.
It is this emulation of the life of Mohammed that gives Muslims their excuse and justification to rape, murder, steal, keep slaves, behead, torture hostages, lie and all the other behaviours which are anathema in a civilised culture.
So many, so many ignorant of the Islamic Ideology, especially the politicians. Frighting for my grandchildren.
particularly granddaughters.
The only thing that is toxic is Islam, of any denomination.
INBBC/’Today’ want Muslims in charge of national security of 95% non-Muslim British people, confronted by Islamic jihad threat.
No thanks.
Is Muslim Mr Babu playing the ‘race’ card here?
Because the majority of British anti-terror police are white, this is not ‘racism’, Mr Babu.
Is Mr Babu aware of anti-white ‘racism’ against girls in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxfordshire, etc?
“You are a racist Islamophobe” would be the response of our brainwashed chief constables. PC plod can hardly be blamed if his leaders are gullible and brainwashed.
Danny says…
Reading the guardian, it transpires that the police office who didn’t know the difference between Sunni and Shia actually approached and asked the Muslim police officer to explain.
I hope the Guardian copy was one you picked up that had been dropped (outside a BBC office as the paper boy struggled in with the large pile of them?) rather than actually spent your own cash on!
“senior Muslim police officer” – Is that someone well up in the faith or the police force?
“did not fully understand …. gender”. What! After all the money police forces around the country have spent on diversity “training”.
Perhaps they were not trained to treat Muslim women as they are by their menfolk.
While i admit to purchasing the Guardian on a daily basis. I enjoy the crossword (£1.60 a pop) what I read , was online.
However while I am here, I have just read this on the so called toxic Daily mail regards an interview given to a so called respect sheik based in London giving an interview to Lebanese TV. Strange how a woman in the ME puts a Muslim in his place for his bigoted mindset who is living in the West.
Can you imagine somebody in the West doing likewise to a Muslim, never-mind the bBC
Sorry I wrote respect sheik , when I should have written respectable (If that actually exists)
Pounce
Thanks for the link. I have posted it at Vladtepes blog.
1. Point to note, the most fanatic Muslims live in the UK, while hating the West, and plotting to destroy it. Probably the bum is on Benefits.
2. Note also the arrogance of the sheikh; he considers himself far superior in every way to a Muslim woman, as it is allah ordained. As for Kuffars like us, we are beneath contempt.
There was a similar visitor to Vladtepes blog. The Muslim, Halema Hachemi, probably an imam, displayed the same arrogance, assuming that he had the allah given right to set the agenda, and that we should all be grateful for his “divine” knowledge.
He was taken down by commentator “perfectchild” in a manner I have never seen before. By the end of the “dialogue”, I was beginning to have pity on the Muslim “scholar”.
http://vladtepesblog.com/2015/01/15/voltaire-quote-on-islam-from-the-1700s/comment-page-1/#comment-188601
Educational.
She’s hot. Can we swap her for Mishal?
What has Lebanon done to deserve that?
Mishal would have remained quiet so he could have his rant, and would then bring on an opponent, say an Israeli who disagreed with the ranter, and she would have laid into the opponent.
Pounce.
What M I 5 do at our expense to keep tabs on “militant” Islam you obviously very decently do at your own expense to keep tabs on the dangerous fantasies of Polly and her friends and consequently can advise us on them and of the fag paper between the Guardian view and the BBC view. Keep up the good work.
No offence intended, so hope you haven’t taken any!
The police should be looking at everyone equally not applying the divisive tactics recommended by Del Babu (whose name sounds like a character from Blakes 7).
dal babu came across as a man who was put up to play down and dilute the real threat of islamic terrorism in that interview,but what worried me is his denial that terrorism has got nothing to do with islam and he tried like most apologists for radical islam tried to use this tired out old false narrative that the internet is the driving force behind radicalisation of these dopey young muslims,that is a load of old crap and if that is the case why dont all of us lot in this blog and millions of non muslims who use the internet get radicalised then head of to syria and northern iraq to indulge in a bit of headcutting,rape and genocide against innocent men women and children.no,the elephant in the room which they dare dare not talk about is the verses of the koran and the teachings of the hadith is behind radicalisation of muslims whether they be young,middle aged or old .simple as that.
I did notice on the Today programme this morning that before his views were ‘impartially’ aired, Del Babu was described by the beeb reporter as ‘respected’. Subtext – we in the BBC agree with this wonderful man and you the licence fee fodder must be guided to agree too. Pathetic.
Exactly!
How about if I start a Taxi firm in Pakistan. Say for instance in five of their cities.
And I turn a blind eye if my white Christian taxi drivers pay a lot of attention to the very young muslim girls. And engage in child rape on ‘an industrial scale’.
Would this exploitation last for long, do you think?
What would be the consequences?
Violent consequences?
What would the BBC have to say? What would the Guardian have to say?
Sauce for Goose and Gander?
Just a thought.
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