BBC exultant over the decision by The House of Lords to undermine the Chancellor’s plan to cut tax credits. Robert Peston twisting the figures, Laura Kuenssberg claiming this is a “humiliation” for Osborne and hailing this as “a triumph” for Corbyn. The BBC has been leading the attack on the perfectly reasonable plan by the Chancellor and sees this as a victory for itself. I was on BBC5LIVE on Saturday Night and Stephen Nolan would not listen to any reason on this subject. The BBC basks in satisfaction tonight, but it stands exposed in its true BIASED colours had it the wit to see it.
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I’m sure that you really mean the controversial cuts.
Indeed, the BBC routinely describe elements from the Conservative Manifesto that the elected Government are now bringing forward as “controversial”. On the other hand, the harebrained Marxist lunacies of Jeremy Corbyn and his lieutenants, not to say all the gender-related rubbish the BBC are espousing, are treated as mainstream.
One would be forgiven for thinking that any form of ‘Tax Credit’ would be an offset against tax paid…..i.e. a refund of tax payments from the current or preceding year.
But, but…. that would actually mean incentivising people who were able to do so, to get out and get a job, earn an income and actually contribute to the country’s funds, but who, if they didn’t earn enough, could have some of the tax they paid, returned.
Silly concept, I suppose.
One final thought for tonight. I guess the BBC wasn’t advocating and cheering, along with its ‘bruvvers’ in Mr Corbyn’s and Mr Farron’s parties, for the whole package of changes and measures being brought in by the current government (of which the Tax Credit changes were but a part) to be declared null and void. That is, no ‘living wage’ increments, no raise in income tax thresholds, no additional assistance with child-care …etc., etc.
Nope, didn’t think so.
The socialist approach to going out and buying anything….. right, we’ll take that car, that 84 inch TV, that Apple suite of products, and that crate of Scotch…………….. what do you mean, ‘There’s a bill to be paid’.
Mrs Thatcher got it dead right – sooner or later Socialists will always run out of other peoples’ money. I guess she should have lumped the BBC in with that lot.
Of course if it was a Labour government’s tax credits legislation being thrown out by an unelected House of Lords it would be reported by the BBC as a travesty, but because the House of Lords was stacked by New Labour with Labour peers it is OK.
Socialist hypocrites.
Yes, I do think that hypocrisy is the correct technical term here.. The ruthless expediency of making use of an ‘undemocratic’ institution for ‘democratic’ ends is an interesting mirror for the more common case, of using a democratic institution (say, an electoral vote or plebiscite such as a referendum) to pursue undemocratic intentions.
Political opportunism of this sort is certainly not confined to the Left, but the way it is reported by the BBC is undoubtedly affected by the party allegiances of those involved.
One other point which I have not heard discussed in the media – there was great interest, and some controversy, over the latest set of political appointments to the HoL. Surely, our elected politicians must have known that they were stoking a fire that could get out of hand, when they chose to resupply the House in the way they did – they must have known in advance that the resulting partisan balance of appointees would sooner or later lead to just this situation? If I were a particularly unimaginative conspiracy theorist, I might now be thinking this debacle is a very convenient pretext for an ‘urgent’, radical and unmandated revison to the Upper House and its place in our unwritten constitution?
Hypocrisy and socialism goes hand in hand.
The death of Michael Meecher again revealed the double standards of these people. A man with anything from 5 to maybe, with his wife 12, “buy to let” homes. But a man who wanted a ban on anyone owning a second home. A man who considered himself from a “working class” background but was the son of an accountant who went to private school.
I have no problem with private schools, second homes, Buytolets or even accountants but I f**king hate hypocrites and Britain’s Left are and have always been rife with them.
By the way check out the front page of the BBC News http://www.bbc.co.uk/news Don’t tell me the BBC picture editor is not biased. Look at the shot of George Osbourne.
They say he was a Christian-though being Benns vicar on earth seems to be a generic job spec these days for the likes of Fraser and Jones etc.
Noted Corbyns light fandango around Meachers rank hypocrisy-like Benns, Milibands, Thornberrys come to think of it.
Guess it`s that virtuous use of their entitlement that saves them for Allah eh…the Toynbee Tautology that only THEY get taught-the rest of us can only admire their greatness.
Oh dear-in My fathers House are many mansions said Jesus…don`t reckon expanding the Meacher portfolio of properties whilst preventing others from doing the same will be doing him any good where he`s heading.
As they say-“you can`t take it with you when you go”…and, even if you could, it would burn anyway!
PS-Has Cooper, Sturgeon or any bishopricky types handed a spare house or wing over to a Calais cummerbund yet?…surely the Guardian would have told us by now, were it so?
Hypocrites-Jesus isn`t likey likey!
I recall David Starkey on Question Time pointing out that ALL the Leftists on the panel came from a very privileged background whereas the ones on the political Right (i.e. he and one other) came from a very unprivileged background, and Shirley Williams responded to this by patting him on the back saying “There There”. It is worth thinking about that for a moment. Shirley Williams (who of course was the privately educated destroyer of Grammar Schools) the self-righteous egalitarian mocking somebody for pointing out that he did not come from a privileged background. So what does her egalitarianism amount to then? It is ok to be working class just so long as you know your place?
…And moved home to get in to the zone to send her daughter to… a Grammar school.
I saw the QT too. Nepotism run rife. Dmibleby (Richard’s son), Coren (Alan’s daughter), Williams (Vera Brittain’s daughter) spouting. Only Starkey and oddly the Tory MP were from non-privileged backgrounds.
Starkey was right to nail them. As he did the awful Laurie Pennie at another event.
I find tax credits loathsome. The system encourages lower wages (mainly among large corporations) as employers know that a clients income will be topped up by the state. Therefore it stinks of cronyism.
People should be questioning the system not standing there bleating with their hand out declaring they are hard done by, by the state.
What I also find loathsome however, is that Cameron lied. Those that argue his words were “I don’t want to cut tax credits” doesn’t wash with me. He knew fine well what he was doing/saying.
The system has to go but a little bit of truth wouldn’t go amiss otherwise we fall into the hands of the Marxists at the next election.
I agree Rob-the bit I know of them only implies that they were Gordon Browns effort to create a Labour client state forever velcro`d to his unions, his party and his media chums like the BBC/Guardian.
Osborne has shown himself an eejit in his “Living Wage” efforts-once you go down the liberal road-it`ll never be enough for them all.
Be nice to get some truth-and avoid the political ninnyings of the callow, the stupid, the innumerate.
But the Left crowd it all out and bang their IRA spud pans all over any effrts to get some light, even some sound that makes sense.
Xi should be very proud…the liberal Goon Squad only differ in the fact that they don`t know what flag they would like to stitch-or better get Muslims with sexy black chadors to Tippex themselves with something “Inspirational”
Is anyone surprised that the decision by the (£300 a day each courtesy of the tax payer) Lords is met with approval by the (£500 a day each courtesy of the tax payer) journalists at the BBC?
Not too much this morning about the victory for the single mum/embattled market trader today was there?-no vox pop from an Ealing mum who`s been to RADA to pin down that “vulnerable whining middle-clars” voice that Radio 4 likes.
Nah-the plebs, the little people have served their purpose-to be a pontoon or pedalo for Gramscis armada of the effete, the EU-compliant public sector prostrati personnified by Kuennsberg and Webb/Woods.
So no soundbites from East St market today-no , this battle was synthesised on the backs of Millie Dowlers yet again-but now it`s the likes of Baroness Meacher(any relation eh?), Hollis and Ashton who trumpet round the BBC Green Rooms claiming a victory.
Yup-all those unelected third rate nomarks like Anne Taylor, Shirley Williams and the like pop up behind a leading Lady in the Lords, like zombies at Hallowe-en…the empty suits and living dead who we didn`t elect, didn`t want on our expense accounts-like Ashdown, Falconer and Rifkind/Straw-but they`re all stuffing the Lords on our tab.
Thought we banished the LibDeads to oblivion back in May-so how come there`s a HUNDRED of `em thwarting the will of the crap Tories-who we at least DID vote for?
But the BBC won`t give a damn about this democratic outrage-very EU, very UEFA, very FIFA and BBC Trustie.
The decision is all that counts-the virtuous progression to Islamabotty is continued-and fuck the white trash on low incomes who live with the consequences.
Had Xi or Putin done this-they`d be squauking…but if its Corbyn and Juncker, Choudhury or Clarke?…well the cause is the all.
Liberal fascism in Aktion!
Back to East St Market next time it saves the time to tune the violins of Naughties liberal fantasia eh chaps? until then-stuff our soundbite stiffies in Ealing.
Weird thing is, tax credits are very new. We managed through the whole of the 20th century without them. They were a concoction of Gordon Brown to make people reliant on the state (and by inference him and his party).
So the question is – how come people managed BEFORE tax credits.
The bBBC gleeful frenzy after the vote is a disgrace. I just SO hope Whittingdale grows a pair.
Just a point as somebody who used to work in HMRC……. Please don’t throw stuff at me!!!!! I also worked on Tax Credits to help that department out from time to time. W knew that a large number of the annual declarations were false, when the system first came in. But, we were told by our supervisors to process the claims and, eventually, any discrepancies would be followed up…….. Aye, right – HMRC did not have the investigative staff to do this!
There were such obvious flaws as a single father, from a certain religion of peace, who had sole custody of 7 children, five of whom were disabled…… Worked the minimum hours (16 at the time) to get maximum Tax Credits due…… Or the single mother who claimed MORE child care than she actually earned!!!!! Even we couldn’t accept that!
It was only about 2009 that a system was put into place to make easy referral to investigators….. Whether they had the staff or not then….. God knows.
Finally, at its inception, families on 70k were entitled to the minimum Child Tax Credit of about £500pa… 70k!!!!
So the BBC shows that it doesn’t care one jot for democracy. It is exultant that the unelected House of Lords has defeated the three times confirmed wishes of the elected House of Commons. I wish that the House of Lords had behaved this way when the then Labour Government allowed in millions of aliens without ANY democratic mandate to do so. I don’t think that the BBC would have been exultant then! The left think democracy is OK when it goes along with their wishes but as soon as the people say no we don’t this or that ‘progressive’ policy, then the left want to override them. The EU is a good case in point and of course the BBC is mad keen on the EU, and now the HoL has shown the same anti democratic behaviour. The government should bring in legislation which confines the HoL to talking only, with no legal powers to prevent the wishes of the HoC becoming law.
A SOLUTION is staring us in the face.
The element of the tax credits causing this angst among the mock offended is £4 billion…odds
The cost of the bBC is roughly the same.
To use one of the tricks of the left , re-distribution , provides a fitting compromise when the bBC can proudly be remembered for going down for the cause.
I can see another way in mitigating a little of the effect of reducing Tax Credits on the ‘poor’ as the BBC define them. Why not consider that anyone earning less than say 20k pa and in receipt of Tax Credits should get a free TV license paid for by the BBC in the same way that over 70s LF is paid by the corporation. That should help the BBC staff sleep at night.
BBC keep telling me how this is ’embarrassing defeat’ for Osbourne – why is it embarrassing when the deficit denying Lib/Lab Lords out number the Conservatives? Surely the defeat is simple maths rather than embarrassing.
BBC midday news stated that last night’s loss on tax credits was an ideal opportunity for Boris to needle George Osborne but instead missed his opportunity probably because Conservative Central Office probably gave him a memo stating that he was to say that the Lords acted wrongly, their job is as a revising chamber not to make laws.
All supposition, if the story isn’t the one we want, we’ll make it up. The alBeeb now like to tell us what politicians are not saying, but believe they should have said!!!! Unbelievable.
Reich minister Dr Goebbels could have learnt much from the AlBeeb.
Bias,bias,bias,bias.BIASED BBC.
To be honest I’m finding this all rather amusing, watching Cameron squirm in his left wing delusions – from his refusal to consider any Lords reform to his appointment of the revolting ‘baroness’ Warsi. I remember a time when a peerage had to be earned through years of hard work, not gained purely by the colour of ones skin, religion & gender.
So he’s ended up with a minority in the Upper House and only himself to blame for it- quite funny really because it’s down to his own ineptitude.
For those thinking that an elected upper house would be better, just bear in mind that if the opposition had a majority, this is how it would be ALL the time with government business being blocked or alternatively simply rubber stamped.
Yes, an elected upper house needs to be thought about a good deal more carefully than many believe.
As for Cameron, he is, as you say, reaping what he has sowed. Or, at least, reaping a second rotten harvest from the infected seed sown by the traitor Blair.
Just watched the Daily Politics programme and Joe Coburn was almost bursting with pleasure at the Lords result.
Yes she was really struggling not to burst out with exultation. Not that she is in anyway bias of course. Mind you she behaves herself whenever headmaster Andrew is around.
Paul Gregg, Professor at Bath University and one of the ‘architects’ of tax credits, just had a cosy little chat with Eddie Mair and given plenty of uninterrupted air time to explain why there is no alternative but to keep things as they are, apart from an untried (despite him stating – unchallenged – that ‘it works’) tinkering with levels of qualifying income.
Questions not asked by a very compliant Eddie:
– As one of the architects of the tax credits system, what was your original estimate of how much it would cost the government? (Answer: £1.5 billion p.a.)
– And what is it costing now? (Answer: £30 billion p.a.)
– So you underestimated by 2000% and yet still defend the system? What area of government spending do you think needs to be cut to fund your shortfall?
– How do you think we managed without this system for the whole of the 20th Century?
– Isn’t it a benefit trap for those working part time, i.e. they can see there’s no point increasing their hours as their tax credits would be reduced and they’d be no better off?
etc
etc
Yet another Common Purpose stitch-up.
It’s the fundamental principle that troubles me – and that is something the BBC never questions.
Is it morally justifiable that people should be paid by other people because they do not earn enough from their employment (if they have any) to achieve the lifestyle deemed appropriate by the government?
I recently worked out that I am, more or less, paying with my taxes for the entire family of a near neighbour, who has spawned a pair of typically modern dysfunctional families (two girls with absent, multiple, fathers of children all of whom have behavioural problems).
When you generalise the situation, it makes it easy for socialists to sweep the fundamentals out of the way. But bring it down to particular cases and it becomes much starker. Why am I expected to pay for the choices made by girls who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) stop getting pregnant by random males and why am I expected to pay for the upkeep of their poorly brought up children and, no doubt, eventually their offspring too?
Through tax credits and the rest of the benefits system we infantilise people and reward bad, even self-destructive, behaviour. The results are all around us, however much the BBC seeks to hide it. Sooner or later we are going to have to face this question – almost certainly sooner given the number of illegal immigrants the government seems so keen to welcome.
Prostitutes are more moral – you pay and get their services. With single mothers etc , you pay but don’t have the pleasure .
And the ones causing them to be single mothers have everyone else paying for their pleasure.
Looking at most of the single mothers around here I can only say that there are a lot of brave men.
And no-one on our beloved state broadcaster seems to question the absurdity of the left-wingers in the Lords voting to subsidise rich companies that pay low wages to their staff.
Fair enough for the rich companies who do that, but there are plenty of others struggling to survive, and I wonder how many will simply close down.
Too many superb contributions above to select some for praise.
Well done all.
Now go and repeat them where they will do the most good.
I would do it myself I was not banned from most places.
Keep up the good work.
“I’m not stupid, just gullible, I believe in George and Camilla.”
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