The plan was simple. Just four days before the EU Referendum, the BBC would provide a special BBC Question Time forum for David Cameron to proclaim that a surging Remain campaign will win. Boy did it go wrong! Did you see it – a car crash! I must be fair and say that for once David Dimbleby was fair – but the audience did not do as they were told and they savaged a hesitant and then evasive Cameron, who ended up comparing himself to Churchill!!! Today, the BBC has buried the Cameron performance, just as it has gone quiet on Jeremy Corbyn telling us there must be NO LIMIT on immigration on the Marr Show yesterday.
THE DEBATE THAT NEVER WAS….
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Pity it did not go on for longer because Cameron was definitely rattled and looked seriously as he was about to lose his ‘rag’ at one stage.
He was absolutely raging! I wouldn’t be surprised if he instantly authorised a few more assassinations after the show! How dare the vile, disgusting animals/cannon fodder question him about his lies and deceit!! His devious plans have taken years to put together!! You should all be ashamed! ?
You ain’t no Churchill bruv!
You are exactly what the audience member called you. A 21st century Chamberlain returning from Europe with a sheet of white paper and a brown nose.
With that dire performance by Cameron, the Leave campaign starts the final week off with a boost.
Dodgy Dave is not fit to lick Churchill’s feet. Cameron has a serious mental illness.
Outrageous that Cameron compared himself to Churchill. Churchill fought off an invasion from Europe whereas Cameron is currently fighting off the Churchills of today.
Tabs,
And Winston had balls ! Cameron ……… ????
Just talks it…
To, LOL !
Yes Tabs. Churchill fought AGAINST a take-over of Britain by a European dictatorship, Cameron is fighting FOR that take-over.
I would also add that comparisons of Cameron to Chamberlain are unfair on the latter. Chamberlain was a witness to the horrors of WW1 and was desperate not to see it again so tried as honourably as he could to keep the peace. Eventually, however, he knew he couldn’t hold the peace together any longer and declared war. Cameron however has no line at which he would shout enough is enough and fight back against the encroachment of the 4th Reich.
Chamberlain also knew that the British armed forces were not strong enough to withstand the might of the Germans, who had tested their weapons and tactics in Spain, so war in 1938 would have been suicide. This gave the UK time to renew their efforts to build up their forces which they did. In 1940 when the fighting really got going, we still only had enough to just about withstand the German blitzkrieg after losing much of our forces in Norway and France. Effectively Chamberlain’s dithering was a fundemental part of our winning the war, or at least not losing.
‘Fraid that’s a part of the British ‘charm’: ALWAYS too late to grasp what’s happening but when it is realised that something needs to be done, enter into it ‘on a wing or a prayer’.
And for my third reply to this, the wartime leader that Cameron is most like is Vidkun Quisling. Thankfully for Norway they learned their lesson.
Cameron is a wanker and a coward.
Grant can you please moderate your language.
I find myself most offended to hear you calling this two faced , lying, manipulative , hypocritical, gutless tosser only a wanker and a coward. This is the trouble with BBBC you only say the whole truth when it suits your narrow perspective – I am sure Jerrod would agree with this statement.
Oak, I was restraining myself !
Churchill? Any chance this Churchill
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
FROM: In The River War (1899), Winston Churchill’s account of the Sudanese campaign
NCBBC,
Is this the same Churchill that Dodgy Dave compares himself to ? Winston certainly got it right about Islam. It would be interesting to hear the reaction of Remainers who are hijacking Churchill into their cause !
Winston Churchill was well aware of the threat of Islam. But never could he have imagined that this generation of ignorant, historically illiterate and idiot politicians, would have allowed in millions of Muslims into Britain.
It is worth recalling (hat tip Daniel Pipes) that Winston Churchill on p. 50 of From War to War, the first part of the first volume of his 6-part Second World War, proclaimed Hitler’s Mein Kampf to be,
“…the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.”
“Today, the BBC has buried the Cameron performance, just as it has gone quiet on Jeremy Corbyn telling us there must be NO LIMIT on immigration on the Marr Show yesterday.”
Exactly, DV, exactly – well put. This is the inherent BBC bias at work: minimise this, hide that, bury the other. All on the QT. This is the obvious and inherent bias which people like “Edward” seem so happy to ignore in their blithe ignorance, as soon as they notice one relatively fair performance by someone like David Dimbleby 🙄
Corbyn said there CAN be no limit on EU immigration.
Explaining that the austerity resulting from policies having to be followed by being in the Euro is creating massive youth unemployment in some countries, who will naturally look to “get on their bike” to look for work.
Attended a Michael Gove Q & A session this morning.
First “question” was a speech about xenophobia and Hitler. After MG had politely and quietly answered, the questioner said I have been in W,. Yorkshire this weekend and they think you caused the death of Jo Cox.
Shall we say the audience were rather less than impressed, inviting him to cease verbalising.
Woke up this morning to the 8am Today News on Radio 4.
1. Warsi changes sides to Remain_eh?….who knew?…but that didn`t stop the BBC putting this never-elected schmoozer of Camerons as top story.
Meanwhile-Guthrie(former Army Top Brass) tells us he wad duped into signing some Cameron crap about the benefits of the EU for his Army-so an ex-Remainiac-but now he knows about plans for the coming European Army, then he wants to leave.
But that`s not as newsworthy-I mean unelected Muslim Tory shill or ex NATO General?…who would YOU lead with?
It`s the BBC remember!
Next up-and no comedy or even an arch tone in those honeyed voices of theirs in the “newsroom”( which is more like the Gleiwitz Tower by the day)-why…the ENGLISH Premier league want us to stay in Europe…no, don`t ask why-you`re a thick lazy sports jock, so just bite and believe like they do, you thick git).
Tomorrow-what do Bucks Fizz, Graham Norton, Gemini and Johnny Logan think?…let`s do a survey of THEM shall we?
Next-abuse of Farage and “his poster”-came out last Thursday…but that allows the twitters, trends, hate and threats to him to build.
A real photo of real people?..but that`s Der Sturmer apparently…only hope Nigel will show us Cologne on New Years Eve to show us what it`ll REALLY be like after the EU have filleted what remains of this country.
If we stay in…which, please God; we won`t.
Disgusting, serial lies and slurry for this last week-just as well, we`ve made up our minds…
OH-and didn`t Corbyn tell Andrew Marr that (like Blunkett before him)-that there is no upper limit on immigration?
Funny that-flagship BBC politics exclusive with the Sainted Jez…but,for some reason-this “exclusive” fails to make it to the news bulletins sine die…why so BBC?
Need we ask?…biased buggers…
ChrisH wrote: OH-and didn`t Corbyn tell Andrew Marr that (like Blunkett before him)-that there is no upper limit on immigration?
Not just these two, but Gordon Brown and Alan Johnson. The same two, PM and Home Secretary, who claim they knew nothing of the tens of thousands of systematic and brutal gang rapes of vulnerable girls by Muslims.
If we were living in a decent society, and not a degraded one, this would be regarded as a war crime worthy of the most severe punishment.
You really need to get a hearing aid. That is not what Corbyn said.
Hello Manon, missed you. Zero/Jerrod has been doing the trolling in your absence. He said here that he has a large member and enjoys life in Camden public toilets. I assume he is one of your friends.
DC was eager to offer up the picture, last night, that immigration was made up of two quite separate streams – EU and non-EU – and that we had more coming from outside the EU than from inside the EU. The inference to be made, I presume, was that our membership was less of a factor in immigration numbers and thus Brexit would have negligible effect on the numbers wanting to enter this country.
I waited eagerly for a member of the audience pointing out that this was tantamount to the failures of his government to limit non-EU immigration in a situation over which they did have full control and why should we believe that limiting EU immigration – where we are obliged to follow the ‘rules’ set by others – is even remotely within his competencies. Sadly, this didn’t happen as they were too busy putting their own, many excellent, questions to the PM.
He’s failed with the ‘easy’ stuff and want’s us to believe that he can do the ‘tricky’ stuff!!!
Having said that, however, I do have to congratulate him on two things – one an achievement and, two a moment of classic golden comedy.
His achievement, despite a 51% increase in EU-influx over the last five years, an 8% decrease in the numbers for that of non-EU migration over the same period. Well done there, that man – sort of – if the UK government hadn’t had to deal with increasing EU demands then, perhaps, just perhaps they could have substantially reduced rest-of-the-world figures.
There’s an obvious possibility developing whereby our ‘European’ friends and partners can hand out EU-passports like sweeties – if they so desire – and then tearfully wave them ‘goodbye’ as they trot off to this country was, as far as I’m aware, not brought up. If I was in charge of a poor, EU-country of which there’s a glut of at the moment, and was faced with increased pressures on an already wrecked economy it would be insane of me not to find a solution for my own kith and kin. If that involves a type of quantative easing by printing more passports followed by the issuing of travel-warrants in the name of free movement, I’d be all for it.
I’ll leave it to others to decide how much, if at all, the 8% reduction in non-Eu migration mentioned above could have been influenced by similar methods – I have no figures nor the understanding whether such figures are indeed attainable.
The golden moment of comedy?
For me, it was the last questioner a clean faced, earnest young unnamed man (let’s call him Jason for reasons that may become obvious later) whose question was “Surely the deal that you put on the table, Prime Minister, is just a starting point for us. It’s not black and white, it’s the …..”
This allowed DC to strut his stuff and agree with the questioner that indeed he could bring his vast negotiating expertise to the table and give those pesky foreigners a bloody nose to get his demands.
Cynics may argue that Jason was a plant. I’m not a cynic but I was reminded of an episode of Alan Partridge when he was interviewing a BBC TV boss where he received a phone-in call extolling the virtues of having Alan Partridge on TV. The caller, who had detailed knowledge of Peartrees Production – Alans company, was clearly a plant by the name initially called John who later became Jason and claimed to be a plumber.
Link:(6 minutes and 30 seconds in)
I think Armando Iannucci and Steve Coogan should be taking DC to court for copyright infringement.
Ah-John Southampton from Southampton eh?
Know most of these by heart-and to see Coogan and Ianucchi turn into the very things they used to mock so venomously and funnily only shows that comedy is unprincipled acting like any other branch of showbiz.
Still-Partridge and Chris Morris are STILL the gold standard for shafting the BBC…with Gervais and Baron Cohen some way behind.
A Pringle shroud for Jo Cox?…or will she get the EU flag or a well-ironed miners one from Keighley Colliery circa 1985?
This is not to mock the lady and her family-just to point out that the liberal laft have probably decided already…”this death is playing well for us” being the latest comment from Remainiacs , no doubt.
I was waiting for someone to say to Cameron, as he was saying we must take the advice of the experts, “If we had taken the advice of your experts we would be using the Euro now”
This ‘expert’ thing is as daft as those trying to sway me by telling me to leave things in the hands of our MEPs and MPs.
Have they seen what gets into Parliament nowadays? And then gets shoved to the ‘top’?
It’s a broken system to be sure, but the best we have. So the ONLY thing the UK public has to stand a chance of keeping the ship of state from ramming every iceberg these idiots choose to aim at is a vote every few years.
I remember Anna Lindh.
A Swedish lefty zealot, who was the public face of the Swedish attempt to join the Euro back in 2003.
She was killed before the vote-and the Euromongers offered to put her head on the 1 Euro coins if they won, by way of tribute!
See-classy are the Left, as we`re finding now!
The woman was stabbed just a few days before the vote itself-but still the Swedes chose not to fall for this lefty emotional crap, and keep the krone.
So-there`s hope a plenty…maybe a big spliff, and a blister pack of anti-depressants would make a better monument to Jo Cox`s senseless death-leaving the EU would allow us to make this, and plan it for ourselves.
https://ukmediawatch.org/2016/06/20/guardian-smears-israel-in-article-on-the-right-wing-extremism-of-jo-coxs-murderer/
Somewhere in W1A, a producer pops off a quick note to Jezza Bowen and Jon Don.
They are back in the game.
Clearly they are on a roll.
https://bbcwatch.org/2016/06/19/bbc-trust-rejects-appeals-on-willcox-jewish-hands-complaints/
Nice to see OFCOM is set to make everything just spiffy.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/16/bbcs-charlie-hebdo-interview-cleared-over-anti-semitic-complaints?
BBC dun a boo-boo, and Aunty’s Mummy says ‘there there’.
At least we know now to tombstone the likes of Willocks , rather than send in a complaint to his Truss, and ballsack supporter of the lies.
Could be a new trend-do you think Crick could take a good un on the chin, or do we make him cry by threatening to take Jon Snows bike clips as hostages?
Liberal yellow streaks of blather this lot-at least IS are right about THAT.
If Snow thinks carrying a ladys tampon will save him and make him unclean to the jihadists…well , I doubt that.
If they tell him that they`ll film his getting stoned-he`d probably agree to that again though.
Surprise surprise. Why does anyone bother with complaining to the BBC or the trust? The outcome is always the same. The BBC is omnipotent and it’s workers are saints.
Of course it is designed precisely to ensure as few people do complain. Utterly cynically.
Just like the corrupted system that is our electoral process.
Look at postal votes. When were they filled in, sent off and counted?
Any last minute ebb or flow in the debate utterly irrelevant, at least to the genuine don’t knows.
Bob Geldof could enter a civil partnership with Nigel Farage on the 22cnd, and it would make not one whit of difference.
As I do still drop CECUTT the odd line, I will however be voting on the 23rd.
You have to be in it to win it.
What we need to do is complain constantly that there aren’t enough effnic minorities employed at the KGBbc
(forget the recent ‘must do better with minorites’ white paper garbage, the leftard liberal benefit scroungers at the beeb will never give them a leg up)
That way the liberal elite will be replaced by people who will work for less, thus saving money, and the whole place will sink. Now that would be the perfect end.
‘BBC Trust’.
Is that the best oxymoron ever?
If you read what was said ,which you clearly havent then youll notice the writer was providing examples of the perpetrators alliances. Nothing to do with Israel at all. I presume English is your second language.
“If you read what was said, which you clearly haven’t, then you’ll notice the writer was providing examples of the perpetrators’ alliances”
Having read what you have written, no need to presume that the written form you have adopted is clearly ‘unique’, and not in a good way, at best.
The only politician David Cameron can reasonably be compared with is Edward Heath. Sadly, that is unfair to Heath, who really believed in the European Project. Cameron is just a vapid ponce, twisting in the wind.
Didn`t watch the bloated condom wobble his chops for Dimblyface on telly last night-was studying the Albanian national team to check if they still had 23 players at the end, or had some claimed asylum by the ATM machine in Notre dame…but do know that he was compared to Neville Chamberlain.
I myself have just returned from Birmingham-and , crap and venal though Neville was-he was at least sincere and trusting in giving Hitler time to practice in Prague what he`d soon be doing in Poland.
Cameron therefore is FAR worse than Neville-whose family name is synonymous still with the best of public service and provision in our Second City.
In fact he`s even worse that Neville Neville-who at least gave us a ferret to put up the Scousers trousers…as well as his dull brother and a girly who`s doing well in ladies sporty things…so I`m told.
And Neville is no more(RIP-Pringle Shroud!).
No…This lazy empty competitor is a Gloucester Spot of a piggy..Neville Chamberpot be thy name…and we`ll want you out on the 24th.
The bloke has gone below Blair and even Heath-now I`d not have thought that possible…but Cameron is a low bore windsock of privilege, and in need of popping.
Cameron’s name reminds me of the Portuguese word for a shrimp: ‘camarao’, also meaning a very small man, a dwarf or a nobody; also possibly the origin of the country name Cameroon, where shoals of them were seen.
Mustapha,
Yes, no doubt the shoals of shrimps near Cameroon have been gobbled up by the EU. Maybe the english
equivalent of ” camaroa” is ” Squit”. Dodgy Dave is a Squit. Bom dia !
I initially thought of Marshal Pétain, but he at least had a decent record in WW1.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/19/channel-4-news-barred-from-oversubscribed-brexit-rally?
Certain media are aghast.
No invite. Could be worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1499466/Heckler-82-who-dared-called-Straw-a-liar-is-held-under-terrorist-law.html
Useful law, that.
About time that UKIP-or indeed any party that is so loathed by the liberal establishment-started to rescind any passes to the mockingbirds and popinjays that would be vultures if they`weren`t linen suited metrosexual ponces and lardarses who can`t stand the sight of feathers…unless up their own arses.
Can`t be too careful seeing as what the liberals and their political dummies do with children-without serious DBS checks and an illuminated walkway well shy of the creche and ballpool areas, I`d not let greasy Crick and his sweat-staled pith artithd anywhere near a place where youngsters might be present….no doubt HE was a friend of Clememt Fraud as well, like Brown and Bono(to name but two).
The Christians need to do the same-leave the godless liberal scum to Radio 4, so the rest of us can learn.
The odious Allegra Stratton was on ITV putting the boot into Boris – why do these politicians let them on the battle bus and follow them around when it’s just going to be ‘racist racist racist’ ?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/remain-campaign-chief-will-straw-accused-of-exploiting-jo-cox-murder-a3276401.html
audio here
http://order-order.com/2016/06/20/will-straw/
The director of the Remain campaign has been accused of seeking to attack the Leave camp by “exploiting” the murder of Jo Cox.
A recording of Will Straw coaching pro-EU campaigners in a conference call and referring to the MP’s brutal murder has sparked uproar on social media.
Mr Straw, who says he was a close friend of Mrs Cox, says the Remain camp ought to criticise Brexit campaigners for “stirring division and resentment” in the wake of her death.
The tape was posted online by right-wing blog Guido Fawkes under the headline: “Will Straw ordered Remain to attack Leave over Jo Cox death.”
Camoron thinks he’s Churchill? Winston left better down the U bend than this pig shagging prick.
What I’d have liked to ask Camoron is, how much will the EU cost us if you got your remain vote? Bailouts, fines, backhanded payments, dodgy bribes, fraud, Turkey, the other 5 new members, welfare…the list is endless, It’d make his £40 billion black hole look like back pocket change.
He should be able to tell us, he has all the experts on his side after all?
Experts sold the emperor new clothes .
Still waiting for Straw’s advice to be reported on the Daily Politics. Perhaps if Jo Coburn stopped interrupting pro Brexit guests there might be time to examine this politician’s morality.