Peter Grimes,
According to mainstream Moslems this sect,the Ahmadiyya, of which one member was recently murdered by a Moslem for wishing his customers a happy Easter, are not proper Moslems. Their mosque is not recognised as a mosque and they are persecuted by Moslems. The Mail article is highly misleading – as bad as the BBC.
‘the Worldwide Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community led the thousands in a vow of peace and obedience’
“”Whilst it’s good that they reject violence and extremism I do wish they would at least try to integrate. Where are the women? Why are they still keeping women back? How many women, if asked would have been allowed to attend? If that had been anything other than a Muslim gathering they would have been accused of sexism and discrimination””
These moslems are a persecuted sect, not recognised as moslems by the mainstream ones. They may share many crackpot ideas with mainstream moslems but they believe in peaceful co existence, and it is wrong for the Mail to present them as representing Moslemism
Ahmadi Muslims have been subject to various forms of religious persecution and discrimination since the movement’s inception in 1889. The Ahmadiyya stream of Islam emerged from the Sunni tradition of Islam and its adherents believe in all the five pillars and articles of faith required of Muslims.[1] Ahmadis are considered non-Muslims by many mainstream Muslims since they consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, founder of the movement, to be the promised Mahdi and Messiah awaited by the Muslims.[2][3][4][5] Ghulam Ahmad’s messianic claims are rejected by mainstream Muslims who await the physical return of Jesus towards the end of time.
The Ahmadis are active translators of the Qur’an and proselytizers for the faith; converts to Islam in many parts of the world first discover Islam through the Ahmadis.[6] However, in a number of countries, Ahmadis have faced strong resistance and in many Muslim-dominated nations, Ahmadis have been considered heretics and non-Muslim, and subjected to persecution and systematic, sometimes state-sanctioned, oppression.[5][7] Ahmadis are declared as non-Muslims and further deprived of religious rights in the Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan and Ordinance XX. Hundreds of Ahmadis were killed in 1953 Lahore riots, 1974 Anti-Ahmadiyya riots and May 2010 attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore. 1974 riots were the largest killings of Ahmadis.
Well informed people think that “Leave Brands” are seen as: Patriotic, Democratic, Anti -Establishment, Global & Pro-Commonwealth, open to free trade and the future.
While “Remain Brands” are seen as: Un-Patriotic, Un-Democratic, Pro-Establishment, Hideously white & Eurocentric, Protectionist and the past.
Strange that this story isn’t being picked up by the mainstream media so far..but admittedly it is (as I write) very early on Monday morning. Just went back to the RT site and..’This site cannot be reached’. I’m getting paranoid in my old age!
Al-Beeb were taught this Type of propaganda by their beloved Labour party under Blair….It’s called rubbing the rights nose in, anything they don’t like…Although these days it’s not exclusively the “right”, it’s simply anyone that disagrees with progressive group think and “no borders” ideals, of which the BBC have become a leading and nauseating advocate…
Reported shootings at JFK NY. All over the media, but not the beeb, 2 hours after first reports. All that money we give them and no reporters in NY. I guess they’re all in Rio. Or perhaps they don’t want it to overshadow the real big story that the shooting of the NY Imam is Trump’s fault – or due to all that anti-Muslim bigotry (before any facts known). Muslims as victims again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37079910
Yes, even when they say things like “not an immigrant”, I immediately think, “obviously they are second generation Muslim”.
I accept of course, on the odd occasion, instances of stabbing/beheading of strangers will not be inspired by the so-called prophet. However, I don’t trust the media to report this honestly so I will just have to assume most of them are following the example of their perfect man in their display of demented hatred towards infidels.
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To be fair, there are many good ones…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3740211/More-30-000-Muslims-converge-Britain-s-biggest-annual-Islamic-gathering-reject-violence-extremism.html
but the baddies want to kill them as well as us!
Peter Grimes,
According to mainstream Moslems this sect,the Ahmadiyya, of which one member was recently murdered by a Moslem for wishing his customers a happy Easter, are not proper Moslems. Their mosque is not recognised as a mosque and they are persecuted by Moslems. The Mail article is highly misleading – as bad as the BBC.
‘the Worldwide Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community led the thousands in a vow of peace and obedience’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3740211/More-30-000-Muslims-converge-Britain-s-biggest-annual-Islamic-gathering-reject-violence-extremism.html#ixzz4HLUJ90No
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From Have Your Say:
“”Only 30000. The minority then””
“”Whilst it’s good that they reject violence and extremism I do wish they would at least try to integrate. Where are the women? Why are they still keeping women back? How many women, if asked would have been allowed to attend? If that had been anything other than a Muslim gathering they would have been accused of sexism and discrimination””
These moslems are a persecuted sect, not recognised as moslems by the mainstream ones. They may share many crackpot ideas with mainstream moslems but they believe in peaceful co existence, and it is wrong for the Mail to present them as representing Moslemism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
Ahmadi Muslims have been subject to various forms of religious persecution and discrimination since the movement’s inception in 1889. The Ahmadiyya stream of Islam emerged from the Sunni tradition of Islam and its adherents believe in all the five pillars and articles of faith required of Muslims.[1] Ahmadis are considered non-Muslims by many mainstream Muslims since they consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, founder of the movement, to be the promised Mahdi and Messiah awaited by the Muslims.[2][3][4][5] Ghulam Ahmad’s messianic claims are rejected by mainstream Muslims who await the physical return of Jesus towards the end of time.
The Ahmadis are active translators of the Qur’an and proselytizers for the faith; converts to Islam in many parts of the world first discover Islam through the Ahmadis.[6] However, in a number of countries, Ahmadis have faced strong resistance and in many Muslim-dominated nations, Ahmadis have been considered heretics and non-Muslim, and subjected to persecution and systematic, sometimes state-sanctioned, oppression.[5][7] Ahmadis are declared as non-Muslims and further deprived of religious rights in the Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan and Ordinance XX. Hundreds of Ahmadis were killed in 1953 Lahore riots, 1974 Anti-Ahmadiyya riots and May 2010 attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore. 1974 riots were the largest killings of Ahmadis.
Cynics may say taqqiya. I couldn’t possibly comment.
Expect more enriching at Charie Hebdo after their latest front cover…
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/14/charlie-hebdo-receives-bomb-threats-mocking-burkini-ban/
BBC Online News:
“”Do your favourite brands show how divided Brexit Britain is?””
“”Leave Brands more likely to be seen as:
traditional, straightforward, simple, down-to-earth, good value and friendly””
“”Remain Brands more likely to be seen as:
progressive, up-to-date, visionary, innovative, socially responsible, intelligent””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-36970535
I really can’t be bothered to analyse further this BBC biased piece of anti-Brexit tripe.
The BBC need to get a grip and accept that the BBC lost the Referendum. Get over it.
In the same way, the BBC need to get a grip and accept that they lost the General Election. Get over it.
Their favoured teams comprising the Labour Party and Remain lost.
One day perhaps, we’ll have an impartial National Broadcaster. I’ll pay for that day.
Well informed people think that “Leave Brands” are seen as: Patriotic, Democratic, Anti -Establishment, Global & Pro-Commonwealth, open to free trade and the future.
While “Remain Brands” are seen as: Un-Patriotic, Un-Democratic, Pro-Establishment, Hideously white & Eurocentric, Protectionist and the past.
George Soros has been hacked and documents are being released on line, on RT front page, but nothing from the Beeb yet ? Funny that…
https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-hacked-files-released/
Strange that this story isn’t being picked up by the mainstream media so far..but admittedly it is (as I write) very early on Monday morning. Just went back to the RT site and..’This site cannot be reached’. I’m getting paranoid in my old age!
How much more exposure can the INBBC give this woman?
Al-Beeb were taught this Type of propaganda by their beloved Labour party under Blair….It’s called rubbing the rights nose in, anything they don’t like…Although these days it’s not exclusively the “right”, it’s simply anyone that disagrees with progressive group think and “no borders” ideals, of which the BBC have become a leading and nauseating advocate…
The good news is that I heard that the BBC is planning to put her on a Desert Island.
I assume this could be one of the thousand islands under British control, somewhere south of a Muslim Country called, the Maldives.
I assume she will be appointed chief BBC Climate scientist for the Indian Ocean, monitoring sea level changes over the rest of her life on the Island.
I hope this predicted assumption becomes a fact, unlike ten year computer models predictions that are more than ten years old.
Reported shootings at JFK NY. All over the media, but not the beeb, 2 hours after first reports. All that money we give them and no reporters in NY. I guess they’re all in Rio. Or perhaps they don’t want it to overshadow the real big story that the shooting of the NY Imam is Trump’s fault – or due to all that anti-Muslim bigotry (before any facts known). Muslims as victims again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37079910
By failing to fully report Islamic Terrorist atrocities, the public will view any murder or serious assault as being Islamic Terrorism.
Backfire and fail!
Yes, even when they say things like “not an immigrant”, I immediately think, “obviously they are second generation Muslim”.
I accept of course, on the odd occasion, instances of stabbing/beheading of strangers will not be inspired by the so-called prophet. However, I don’t trust the media to report this honestly so I will just have to assume most of them are following the example of their perfect man in their display of demented hatred towards infidels.