Well then, Diane James has quit as UKIP leader and the BBC are relishing the situation. Their delight is obvious and whilst I accept this is a wholly self-inflicted own goal from an imploding UKIP, just think back to how the BBC casually smooths over the chasms in Labour whilst desperately, oh so desperately, seeking to find any in the Conservative Party! UKIP has been a particular target for BBC hatred over recent years and they were always going to put the boot in when something like this happens.
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As a UKIP supporter and being very pro-Brexit I am quite disappointed to see how things have played out recently.
UKIP are the good guys but they are coming across poorly at the moment. Labour are incredibly weak and ripe for the taking, but UKIP seem to be failing to take advantage of this. Leadsom (pro-Brexit) and now James both fumbled their chances, we need someone strong to take over. Even Farage at this point cant really make a comeback again.
As I say I am firmly in the pro-Brexit camp, Labour are detestable and the Conservatives are not much better.
If anyone has a positive spin on these events I would genuinely appreciate hearing them. I want Labour and the BBC destroyed.
How can you spin losing a leader so quickly? I think this might hasten the transformation of UKIP into a new centre right party which has an appeal across the spectrum. The DUP manages to pick up a large working class vote by being being strong on supporting their rights. There is a large pool of disillusioned Labour voters to be persuaded. However, where did the membership go? At one point UKIP had huge support? It needs someone who can excite people. Labour’s huge membership indicates there is a real interest in politics and debate in the uk. After winning the argument, it would be sad if UKIP disintegrates.
Meanwhile the country needs another credible political party to ensure that this present one remains on course for leaving the EU. UKIP still has substantial support throughout the country so the new leader whoever she or he maybe must galvanise it and smartish.
BTW, note that at least part of this is as a result of her being spat on at a railway station, yet Al-Beebia is strangely reluctant to even mention this, let alone run the kind of endless think pieces about muh-soggy-knees in politics that they do every time someone criticises a Labour harpy.
On the plus side, Return of the Woolfman? Not only is he a good candidate, but if electing a woman was enough to make gobbing on female politicians acceptable, electing a black dude means there won’t be anything you can’t do or say. Radio 4 shows will start plagiarising old Bernard Manning jokes.
At the moment, Woolfe might not be a good candidate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe–in-serious-condition-af/
At this moment there is no party in the land. except UKIP, that will keep wet Conservatives stay in line, when it comes to Brexit.
Labour has already announced that it will adopt Open Borders. In effect, they are signalling the EU, to let the UK back into the EU, via the back door. Which the EU will do gladly, as Open Borders into Europe is what they really want.
Therefore the BBC is delighted that with Labour and wet Conservatives, they have a parliamentary majority to stymie Brexit.
Farage may have to come back.
The whole post-referendum debacle in UKIP has been appallingly handled, from start to finish. As a long-time UKIP member and activist, I have watched in horror as the party basically destroys itself before my eyes, at what should have been its finest hour.
I’m at a loss to explain the actions of any of the party leadership. Nigel conceded defeat in the early hours of June 24th, only to find when he got up next morning that we had won. He then quit on what appeared to be a whim (for the second time in a year), without giving any apparent thought to the future of the party he had spent years building or who would succeed him. We then had the subsequent NEC circus, the Deputy Leader refused to stand and the next strongest candidate, Steven Woolfe, was disqualified on some minor technicality. Even if his disqualification was justified, it hardly instils confidence when a potential party leader can’t be bothered to get his nomination papers in on time.
The membership were presented with a fairly lacklustre selection of candidates that looked as if they had been cobbled together on the back of an envelope, and most members voted for what they (and I) saw as the least-worst candidate, who as soon as she is elected promptly quits in very strange circumstances, having refused to even sign her own document of appointment.
Personally, I think UKIP is mortally wounded. I’ve already cancelled my membership and I understand the party is, unsurprisingly, haemorrhaging support.
Labour are, for the foreseeable future anyway, unelectable (Thank God). The Lib Dems are dead in the water. So that leaves us pretty much at the mercy of the Tory Party, led by a pro-Remain PM and without a credible opposition, at a time when what the country desperately needs is strong leadership to get us out of the EUSSR.
I’m not optimistic.
‘Au contraire’, I am š
Watch out the Wolfe is about .
And so are the ‘trolls’ .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe–in-serious-condition-af/
I am also a UKIP member, and while I am not cancelling my membership I will not renew. This though is for the entirely positive reason that I am very impressed by May and her commitment to Brexit. UKIP has achieved its goal, and I think can now wind down, though I see it might also morph into a Labour Light party.
I agree Flex. May is certainly making many of the right noises.
Six years of lies from the Cameron/Clegg Muppet Show, following on from the Bliar/Brown circus, have understandably made us all fairly cynical, so I’ll need to see some of the noises transformed into action before I get too enthusiastic.
Let’s hope she is as good as her word, because she’s pretty much all we’ve got for now.
She’s also making a lot of wrong noises, depending upon whose support she wants. So I don’t trust her. But, for the moment, we’ll have to wait and see.
A great pity but sadly I am inclined to support your view David A-I fear that during Nigel Farage’s visit to the USA, he was got at by the Bush/Clinton enforcers whose aim was not to see the UK vote away from the EU, but to bring it under their control, with possibly Nigel Farage playing a special role, what we don’t know but I don’t trust those tikes running the USA. It is becomming the most dangerous period the world has ever faced-‘A Hillary Clinton White House guatarntees war and a triumph for the criminal state’as has been predicted. UKIP’s future maybe to build an alliance with this present government, who knows-still don’t as yet fully trust this Conservative lot to free us from the bonds of the EU.
“Iām at a loss to explain the actions of any of the party leadership. Nigel conceded defeat in the early hours of June 24th, only to find when he got up next morning that we had won. He then quit on what appeared to be a whim (for the second time in a year), without giving any apparent thought to the future of the party he had spent years building or who would succeed him.”
Indeed. The behavior is so odd that one has to wonder if the party is a shill party to act as a pressure release valve for nationalist sentiment and prevent the rise of a true nativist party.
I am not suggesting Farage himself is party to that BTW but the infighting could be explained by this.
Nigel is back in charge – for a while,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065
Which just makes UKIP look even more ridiculous – how many unresignations now? (I realise he probably has no choice right now, but that’s how the media will play it.)
This is bad. She has only been the leader for a couple of weeks!
Take heart Martin.
Had she stuck around to be spat upon and reviled until Bonfire Night-why she`d have lasted as long as did George Entwistle as BBC D.G in autumn 2012!
That`s ONE thing we can thank Sir James of Headingly for eh?
George lasted 54 days…so we`ll take no lessons from the fuckin` BBC re fly by pixies?
They mock Big Sam-he lasted WAY longer than “their George”…thirteen days!
And-as the BBC cabbages say-” a week is a long time in politics”
So thirteen days is an era..”gold watch for Mr Allardyce, Lucretia luvvie”
We are post-politics, whereby it is a perverted form of entertainment.
“Show business for ugly people” as they say.
Enjoy the comedy and carnival-let the po faced business as usual limpdicks wave their floppy levers, play their dummy keyboards and pretend a flight simulator flew into the Twin Towers.
Deluded,unfunny, po-faced tossers…the very feather bedded elite who work in “The Bubble”, “The Blob”-the likes of Gove and Trump are spitting, mocking reproaches to them.
As is the Mighty Whitey Nigel!
Enjoy it, do not mourn for UKIP-they`re going nowhere.
The liberal scum only wish for it…but the likes of Woolf and Evans need do nothing but NOT be the grey flaccid failures and gobshites that the BBC and “traditional party politics” represent.
As I posted a couple of days ago, UKIP is going through a rough patch. It is not the time to start abandoning ship in high dudgeon. That is the mark of the politically naive and inept. No party progresses in strictly linear fashion. There are plenty of minor setbacks to be straddled and major ones to be scaled.
Hissy fits wont help. A party needs to be able to stand firm in adversity and not run at the first whiff of gunsmoke.
Ukip have just had a few hiccups, some self inflicted, some just bad luck/timing etc. One of the first thing I learnt in politics was the term ODTAA and to be prepared for it. One Damn Thing After Another. Which is what ukip are experiencing right now. Take it on the chin and don’t lose your nerve is the remedy.
Let’s look at the situation; there was a botched leadership election combined with a few unexpected resignations.
What else? Has ukip suffered a series of disastrous poll results? No! Is there no leader to be found? I would suggest that Steven Wolfe or Paul Nuttall would do the job well!
Has there been massive scandals? Nothing really.
There are three important things to remember. Ukip has a much higher profile and voter base than ever due to it’s massive party building work and Brexit work. Just when the media had begun to take ukip seriously it would be bloody tragic to end it all now.
Nigel’s resignation was always going to be a time of adjustment. Let’s not be Remainiac about it.
The third point is that alternative right parties are rising across Europe. The zeitgeist is with us, (or we are with it, whatever) Should Ukip flounder there will be another similar party formed and have to go through all the same start up problems as the wheel is reinvented.
I went through this many years ago with a different party in a different country. Our party gained rapidly in the polls suffered a reversal, held a bad leadership contest and never recovered.
What happened after a few years was that a new party was formed went through a lot of teething problems but eventually achieved a a voter base (then suddenly a lot of the old deserters found they weren’t so “over it” after all and came back to the fold)
So my advice is stay firm and hang in there. Theresa May has too many dissenting MP’s in her party to be able to deliver what she says.
To people who are sounding off about leaving the party now, I suggest you have a little think about it and see how you feel come spring.
To those who have been in a long time and done heaps for the party but feel this is the end then I do not criticize you, I salute you. But go quietly with dignity and do not try and destroy the party on your way out. I have no time for such people. But I think I fair proportion of members like myself have joined over the last five years and they should be sticking with it. Don’t flee at the first salvo that comes your way. There’s a word for that.
Sound sense Yasser. I’d only add that UKIP must find the moral courage to get rid of Carswell and Hamilton. Both are discredited beyond parody and both are actively harming the party without conferring any benefit whatsoever.
Excellent response, Yasser. I’ve been UKIP since ’97. Stood many times as MEP/MP. Indeed, got second last in GE 15!!!!! Beat LibDems! Seriously, because of this, we, the workers of the party, those who truly believe, cannot let something like this dishearten us.
Nigel MUST NOT come back as leader. If he does, it leaves him open to genuine MSM ridicule. But, as Nigel would do, let’s all go down to the pub, sink a few, and get back to work for the party. For the UK. Indeed, For Europe.
I will be continuing to vote UKIP until we are fully out of the EU. Until then I feel we can trust no-one, particularly Mrs May to be true to their word. Basically I don’t trust anyone from the mainstream parties to deliver democracy.
Yes, Mrs May has made all the right noises but will she deliver all the right actions? I hope so, but until then we must all continue to support, and vote for, UKIP. The battle (referendum) was won but the war is still ongoing and will be until we taste real freedom and independence. Vote UKIP.
Good on you Demon. I was hoping for something like that from you.
Keep posting mate.
Yes. Thanks Demon. I have made my doubts about May very clear. We need UKIP and we need someone at the helm that can hit the BBC.
I was listening to Nick Robinson on radio 4 news yesterday morning interviewing a senior UKIP spokesman, I forget his name. Robinson was waxing lyrical over the current UKIP leaders resignation and having to bring back Nigel Farage to sort things out. Robinson said “the word Dysfunctional comes to mind” Well with all the past months of the huge troubles within the Labour party I don’t remember any BBC commentator using that word once, probably for fear of losing their jobs. I am sick of listening to the BBC who daily have a go at Brexit and anything associated with it are extremely left wing and in-patriotic.
Ha ha! “dysfunctional” eh Nick? name another UK political party that has been so influential in changing this nations politics to its agenda in recent times.
Despite all efforts to undermine, discredit and stigmatise its leadership, its membership and even those who simply vote for it. UKIP….it`s the idea that counts.
The idea of restoring UK national sovereignty outside the EU. The idea that never, ever goes away.
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Al Beeb could be described as dysfunctional?
It does not represent Great Britain although being funded by the nation it hates. A case for its euthanasia?
yes taffman we might also say dysfunctional on its own terms…clearly seeking to influence electoral process yet repeatedly failing…Scots referendum, last general election and of course the EU referendum, and I`m not seeing a popular uprising in support of islam either!
Best summed up by a t shirt slogan…”is that true, or did you hear it on the BBC?”.
A review of its funding would suit me, with continuation of the licence fee conditional on serious action to create a fairer national broadcaster on which we`d see a much wider range of opinions being aired, presided over by scupulously non committal and neutral presenters, for whom expressing a political opinion publicly would lead to sacking.
Dysfunctional?
Steven Wolf seriously ill after an altercation
Latest from Guido
http://order-order.com/2016/10/06/246503/
Listening to Radio 4 earlier today the BBC “Go To” Guy to tell us about the altercation with Wolf was Hamilton.
Is he the new UKIP official spokesman ? after much harumphing and telling us that physical violence is totally unacceptable he just managed to slip in at the end of the interview “I heard Wolf started it!”
So no official enquiries have taken place the bloke was still in hospital and Hamilton tells us that Wolf started it!
Something tells me that the slimebag Hamilton may have his own agenda.
He really is an odious little S H 1 T with absolutely no party loyalty. I bet when he was at school he was the sort of lad who would run and tell teacher if someone lit up behind the bike sheds.
One thing is for sure UKIP will get no where if it doesnt do anything about despicable bot flies such as Hamilton and Carswell. They add nothing of value all they seem to do is just ruin things for those who committed time and effort into making UKIP into a political force to be reckoned with.
bBC news – Wolfe collapses after altercation with other UKIP member. They omit that after the row, he went into the chamber to vote and collapsed just after leaving the Parliament chamber. But telling the truth is not in the bBC DNA.
Does seem more than coincidence though that he fell/pushed and hit his head during the altercation dont you think?