The Today programme wrapped up today with the usual BBC Islamist nonsense…that the Prevent anti-radicalisation programme is a complete failure that alienates Muslims and must be scrapped…and of course that Mosques and Islam do not radicalise Muslims…it’s the internet. Oh…and there is no ‘clash of civilisations’….we all get along famously. Interesting that Sara Khan wasn’t invited on to talk about Prevent…possibly because she has been making a very positive case for it whereas the fellow the BBC dragged in, Jannah Mahmood, is a well known critic of the programme who has adopted the Islamist narrative on it.
Even Jon Snow doesn’t believe that old tosh…he brought us the ‘true voices of Muslims in Britain’…telling us that Muslim integration has come to a standstill and the younger Muslims are rejecting liberal Britain…they want a Britain that bends to the will of Allah…and this was in 2007….
And what of this ‘Trumpesque’ message from the French PM?…
The EU will COLLAPSE if Germany and France do not begin to listen to people’s concerns on immigration and Islamist terrorism, says French PM
Or this?
‘They want us to be Islamised. They despise our country and our values’: Translator at German refugee camp says Muslim migrants display ‘pure hatred’ of Christians
Here’s a little story from me which transpired about 15 years ago to me.
As very young children, my parents broke up , that cunt who fathered me, won custody of the children (bar one) and we all got to live with him in Yorkshire, where a few years later my sister and I were taken into care because a real Islamic man liked to beat up his children. When Kirklees council found out that Pounce was a Paki, they replaced my white female social worker (who was the one who listened to me and got me moved) with an Islamic one, the first words out of her mouth:
“You have brought great dishonour on your family , embarrassed the community, your father loves you and you should return home”
This from a social worker talking to a a child of around 10 who used to get strung up naked in the cellar overnight and whipped. who would be dragged outside into the garden naked and..whipped who would be hog-tied naked and whipped. A child who would be physically attacked by the parents of other Muslims, after their children failed in their attempts to beat me up (When you are child who gets beat up by adults, you never loose a fight to a gang of children) A child who would be beaten up by the local mullah for defending his sibling.
Even at such a young age, I knew not to return, so I simply refused to speak to her ever again, hell I refused to be in the same room. Because I was so young , I didn’t know I should have reported her. Nobody ever asked me why I refused to speak to her, you would have presumed a case worker would have picked up that fact. I can only guess she realised that if questioned why, I would have stated why and she would have been sacked.
Anyway a few years down the line, I met my younger sister who had been brought up by my mother. she invited me to her house for Eid. I asked what Eid was? She replied its our Christmas. So as it was my long lost sis, I travelled to ******* to visit her and her family
All the men sat in one room, all the women in another. All the men did was try and get me to visit the mosque with them , I kindly refused, and refused and refused and bloody refused(Think Mrs Doyle out of father Ted)
They finally got the hint and left, but left behind my brother in law in which to keep watch . His first words were…I am going upstairs to pray, would you like to watch. I refused again by stating that I was a Christian. At this I decided to relocate to the kitchen in which to sit with the women. (I don’t do hairy arses) After getting passed the gate guard who actually looked like this:
Seriously, who barked family only as I body swerved her with a feint , I spent the rest of the day chatting to the women, who liked my company.
Next day my sister rang me stating that her family had stated that I am no longer welcome.
So to any leftwing arseholes, look above and tell me what did I do wrong? Unfortunately for the Islamic males in the latter part of the story I ensured that nobody would ever beat me again without me fighting back. which is why I am well versed in Karate (3 styles) Judo, Atemi Ji-Jitsu , and I boxed . I keep fit, and I can take a punch , which is why none of them would say anythng to my face, but rather have a woman do their dirty work. I no longer speak to my sister.
All of the above are lawyers and would be deemed as enlightened, liberal Muslims. But I can bet my new £5 note, they play the f-ing victim card when it comes to Prevent.
You want to sort radical Islam out in the Uk? Treat everybody the same, no cop outs, no religious exceptions the same. Muslims claim they want equality, but I tell you what, they won’t like been treated as equals. I mean can you imagine Muslims affording equality to women? Think I’m kidding here is a hot news story I’ll bet the bBC won’t mention:
UK CPS too afraid of community unrest to prosecute honour crimes
The UK’s Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is failing to prosecute honour crimes for fear of causing unrest in what has been called “the Asian community”. That is the claim made by a “whistleblower” in Scotland Yard, the Metropolitan Police headquarters, who has worked on numerous honour-based investigations and been commended three times for his work in this area over the past year. The detective sergeant, who is himself Asian, pointed out that despite the number of cases being referred by the police to the CPS having doubled in the last five years, there has only been a single conviction.
And here’s my reply to the lefts claims that the US has become ‘Islamophobic’ due to DT:
So called Islamic fears after Trump?
Both thought provoking and yet unsurprising story Pounce – thanks for telling us.
The sad thing is, is that the majority of lefties on hearing this would completely disregard the points you are trying to make because it does not fit their narrative which was created in the forge of deceit and cultivated in the fertile fields of delusion and stupidity.
It sounds as if you have more than stood up for your values and come out stronger despite this awful past, and for that I am grateful. There must be any others out there who for whatever reason have had their individuality, freedom and fight steamrollered out of them, by a culture/religion which seems incapeable of any compromise.
I have always been of the persuasion that you cannot deal with a problem effectively without honesty on both sides. And this will never be possible while politics and the MSM seem to be overpopulated by virtual signalling race hustlers. (such as Lammy and co)
I have never had a problem with people wanting to come and live here (whatever the race providing the numbers are reasonable) What I do object to is the lies and deceit we are told about the migrants, and the fact that many of them seem to want to have all the goodies of living in a western democracy but have no intention of ever fitting in.
People are are getting fed up with all the above plus the guilt trip that we are all waycist etc (To be honest I think most of us probably are a little bit) and I am afraid that unless these arseholes back off there will be increased polarization between communities with predictable results.
It never ceases to amaze me that most immigrants seem to fit in. The only ones who seem to have a problem appear to be the muslims – Tells me everything I need to know about the religion of peace.
POUNCE
I got to your nasty expletive and stopped reading further, please refrain from such foul language in future it isn’t welcome.
Jerry!
I think most of us with a parent like that would find it hard not to resort to the type of language that Pounce used. I don’t think we should criticise him for using such language in these circumstances. Pounce seldom , if ever, uses bad language in his usual posts but this far from a normal post.
If that’s what stopped you understanding and empathising with Pounce’s post then you’d be the one who’s not welcome. I do agree that the anger, hurt and frustration Pounce feels at these events could be better channelled, but he has every right to express what he does until he finds that channel.
Double and Teddy,
Agree with you. Pounce’s post was the first I read this morning and I was almost in tears. I can only begin to feel what he has been through and really admire him for coming out of that awful experience so strongly.
His post should be compulsory reading for all lefty dhimmis not that it would make any difference to their twisted minds.
We see these muslims walking around in their silly medievil clothes and talking bullshit in the media without a sign of what is going on behind closed doors.
Islam is the religion of evil and, in my view, that makes lefties evil too for supporting it.
Grant – I can actually see a lot of similarities between what creates the Islamic mindset and that of the lefty. It is simply the causes used that differentiate them, but the dynamics are the same.
Both are evil because of the ignorance they create, let alone the suffering caused as a result.
Teddy,
A very astute point !
Teddy Bear
The owners of this blog have repeatedly asked commenters to refrain from bad language, it is only polite to accept their wishes on their blog.
You rather oddly state I am not welcome here… please re read my post to Pounce, I said his profanity wasn’t welcome not him as a person.
Imagine a policeman listening to a victim of a horrific crime, somebody from your family, who’s in a terrible state as a result of it, telling them that unless they spoke normally and calmly they were going to dismiss their complaint.
What would you think of that policeman?
Regarding welcome – if it’s a choice between Pounce expressing himself naturally as a result of some profound experiences he’s undergone, and your sensitivities, then it’s MY CHOICE to decide what’s more welcome. I feel ANY intelligent adult would agree. Pity if you can’t understand that. You completely dismissed his traumatic experience to tell us about your sensitivity – RIDICULOUS!
Teddy,
He should be sacked !
Unfortunately Grant we’re in a ‘left-wing mindset’ world where this kind of policeman is becoming the norm.
Teddy,
Yes , the police have been totally infiltrated at the senior levels. I have no faith in them at all. They seem to be outside the law .
Absolutely right. Just heard today about a senior police chief who wants to avoid reporting the details of the various crimes committed so us ‘stupid plebs’ won’t know what’s really happening to us, and who’s doing what to whom.
Teddy,
Yes, people can just be disappeared with no accountability. I never thought I would see Britain becoming a Police State like Gambia, but it is happening. Terrifying.
No doubt a graduate of Julia Middleton’s “charitable” organisation, Grant.
Toobi,
Ha !
Teddy Bear
There is a world of difference between the spoken word in angst fear and emotion, and the written word ( astonished you can’t get that ), however to type in the ‘c’ word in this instance is not on the spot uncontrollable emotion. It is a calculated decision and took four stabs on the keyboard which meant that it was calm cool and collected. Pounce could have read his post and thought actually the use of the ‘c’ word was not pleasant, especially to female readers, my wife hates it.
We have one of the most beautiful and fullest languages in the world without the use of extreme profanity.
Further I have made no comment on the substance of the comment so don’t try to be all pious and holier than thou with me.
I notice you avoided answering the question I posed to you, but I’m not surprised. You think that writing about an obviously painful experience creates less emotion than expressing it out loud. Really???
As for being pious and ‘holier than thou’ you’re a fine one to pose that. I suggest you reread your initial post and see who’s who.
You made no comment on the substance of Pounce’s post is exactly why you have attracted the reaction you have. Instead you diverted attention from the message contained within which is possibly your motive. It’s what we know as a typical tactic of the left wing mindset.
Now I’m going to tell you this – you’re a complete idiot if you believe that anybody undergoing the experiences as a child that Pounce did and was relating can be calm cool and collected.
I’m tempted to use a few choice words in relation to you but I’ll leave it to your wife to tell you other words she hates.
MORON!
Jerry,
What is your comment on the substance of Pounce’s post ?
Jerry Owen … What would be worse……
Pounce using the odd `expletive` to provide those of us who are actually interested to hear the viewpoints of other members and in this case gain some insight into what must have been a horrific experience for a child to endure. I would rather he used expletives in his description of his childhood to provide his own first hand knowledge of Muslim parental values in this case. Firstly I would not want him to feel he had to describe it all in graphic detail and in the process make him relay in detail a potentially upsetting chapter in his life just to satisfy the pedantic and subversive appetite of someone like yourself whose only reason to be here is malice… Secondly, to read in graphic detail someone elses suffering as a child is something I myself would find upsetting and the use of some bad words within the context of his posts provided me with his sentiments and also that it must have been extreme in nature as from previous posts Pounce isn`t usually a member who uses language of this nature…
However I do….. SO CAN YOU PLEASE NOW FUCK OFF???
Jerry wrote:
“I got to your nasty expletive and stopped reading further, please refrain from such foul language in future it isn’t welcome.”
To be honest, I did go through the post in which to make it as bland as possible, however it was late (3am) and I did need to hit the sack., so please accept my apology for missing out the female sex organ adjective.
Pounce,
LOL ! I think you will find most of here are with you on this one !
Pounce.
I just read your 3.32 comment after posting to T Bear. Cool.
I didn’t expect such a backlash against my original post but would have posted it anyway as it is how I feel.
Your story is indeed harrowing. There are lots of organizations you can go to as things are changing fast and this sort of stuff can no longer be swept away under the carpet by the authorities as it was so easily done so up until recently. Rotherham is testament to that.
Fifteen years of course mean nothing now as we have ‘historic’ crimes that can be investigated, you need to turn the tables on the people that use ‘historic’ crimes for an altogether different agenda.
We have to keep pushing our agenda in that our culture will prevail.
I come from Telford a hot bead of pedapilia now. I remember as a boy about five the ‘newcomers’ arriving and to see how it has turned out as man in his fifties now makes me livid, my wife has heard my expletives! when I watch the news about it. All these years since up until recently I had no idea how the young white girls ( many I fancied at the time ) were being treated. To think that girls I used to chat to were being sexually abused in secret fills me with absolute loathing for these people. It must be remembered that they were accepted in the main, and yet they threw our trust and hospitality back at us with a vengeance it is now belatedly known.
There will be a day of reckoning for these perverts and the perverts in authority that protected them. Brexit.. Trump.. Le Pen.. Wilders, these are the people of our future who will turn the tide against those that have courted treason against their own people.
Since I see you post some more mature ‘human’ reaction to Pounce’s post I ask that you take out the more offensive terms I levelled at you in my last response to you just a few minutes ago.
Good to see you back in the real world
Teddy Bear
You just don’t get it do you! It’s not about being back in the real world, I do not apologize for any of my postings.
As for ‘human’ reaction bit, I have for the first time read his post so there was no ‘human’ reaction of any kind to begin with.
Any way nice to see the real ‘Teddy Bear’ how ironic your tag is.
Actually it is a farcical tag you should change it to something far more fitting to your abusive nature.
It is of course easy to insult on a web blog hiding under a false name knowing that you are totally anonymous. Try being brave by using your ‘real’ name if you want to get close and personal!!
I will not be responding to you further as there is bigger stuff to fry.
My original estimation of your character stands.
You ignore the central reasoning that shows just how ignorant your posts here have been all the while trying to seek the high ground. For somebody supposedly trying to combat the left wing mindset you appear to emulate it.
Whatever name I choose to use is immaterial – it is the logic and reason that I present that matters. As far as you are concerned on this topic you can refer to me as Grizzly Bear.
Here’s me reading your posts:
Sorry, Jerry, but I disagree that things are changing and things cannot be swept under the carpet any longer. Sweeping under the carpet is exactly what happens when the “sweepings” involve members of a certain belief system, aided and abetted by our politicians, law enforcement, judiciary and media, especially the one that this site monitors.
ToobiWan
If things were not changing you would never have heard the words Rotherham, Telford etc being mentioned in the news.. albeit scant and without mentioning as best possible the Pakistani/Muslim angle.
But most people are up to speed anyway now.
Nick Griffin nearly went to jail years ago for highlighting the issue, now this issue would never make it to court as it is a known Pakistani/ Muslim trait.
How many prosecutions though, Jerry? Not just the koranderthals who commited the offences either but the police, council and social services, who knew it was/is going on but did SFA about it, even going as far as to threaten the girls and their families with prosecution if they continued with their accusations. Wearing pyjamas and having an aversion to razors is a get of gaol card free in our multiculti diverse utopia. Last thing we would want to do is upset community relations by enforcing the law of the land!
Toobiwan. There are prosecutions, how many I can’t tell you, but you must remember decades of Pakistani racial abuse was ignored, it is no longer ignored because good men and women will no longer let it go on.
The ‘alt right’ are in the ascendency the left are in free fall now. It is clearly getting nasty as we can see the way the remainiacs the bbc and the American snowflakes are behaving.
The truth will out, I am more confident about things now than I have ever been.
Ask yourself this.. now that the people have started voting en masse against the establishment and their media tools what is their next step.. some totalitarian government? If so that is the beginning of the end for them and the arrival of a new dawn for us.
The way I see it Jerry is that things are currently at a critical point.
We have the MSM and most mainstream politicians pushing for “islamaphobia” convictions which will have the dual effect of shutting up many white whistle blowers (beacause they will worry about their careers) And reducing the likelihood of people telling their stories (similar to Pounces) because of a lack of support.
With pompous arsholes like Lammy and virtual signalling idiots such as Yvette leading investigations into “hate” crimes there will only be one outcome – more legislation. And we all know which “hate” crime they will be most concerned with.
Oak,
Yes. The Left are so stupid that they are unaware that they are hoisting their own petards. Idiots. Turkeys.
Grant it is also interesting that Hilary the unelectable was calling for controls on websites such Brietbart but not apparently Socialist worker.org
Fortunately she was not elected
It is interesting that Merkel has now said that “the internet is a disruptive force that has to be contained, managed and steered by Government. – If you swop the word internet for freedom of information – I think we can all guess where Merkel wants to go with this.
Jerry Owen
Thaks for your flatulant output in the form of your remarks…
TL;dr
Pounce I can well believe that the intimidation you endured as a child is prevalent among much of the Muslim community, which is how they ensure ‘the followers’ they have. Total credit to you for the courage and spirit you displayed in freeing yourself from this evil force, and for this reason I feel you might be an important key in aiding many others to free themselves.
Have you tried to contact Raheem Kassam at Breitbart about your story? I have a feeling he is well aware also of the inner dynamics within the Muslim community, and perhaps with the possibility to create a movement within the country that can aid other young, or even older, Muslims to free themselves from the yoke of this belief system, might be the best means to counter it.
Undoubtedly for the status quo to continue as it is will eventually end in total violence. If there is a way to reduce this eventuality through more peaceful means then it would be worthwhile to explore it.
Teddy,
Hear ! Hear !
“Have you tried to contact Raheem Kassam at Breitbart about your story? ”
To be honest, I will have noting to do with Breitbart, just as much as I will have nothing to do with UKIP or the EDL
That of course is entirely your choice.
However given your experience you could be really instrumental in helping to combat the insidious power held by Islam. As the saying goes – ‘don’t get mad, get even’.
Your story is a powerful one, and would definitely create a path and thoughts for others in the position you were in. If a ‘safe-house’ could be started and achieve even a little success, it could lead to a major movement throughout the western world.
Katie Hopkins and Douglas Murray are 2 other journalists that spring to mind with the courage and breadth of vision to run your story.
Have you thought about it?
Out of interest Pounce, what don’t you like about Breitbart or UKIP? My question is genuine as I, personally, don’t see too much wrong with either of these organisations. To be fair, I only watch Breitbart when following links and as for UKIP; all I do with them is vote fot them.
Pounce
I’m distressed to read your post. I thought that you left Islam much later in life, rather then when you were a child.
God bless you Pounce. I will keep you in my prayers. Please pray for Donald Trump. The entire corrupt and bought by Saudis establishment in the West, is gunning for him. I hope, that like David, he destroys Goliath.
Fabulous post Pounce. Very informative and moving.
That is a terrible story Pounce and it could not have been easy to share it with us. I have had my ups and downs in life but at least I can say my parents were good, kind caring people. Mum and Dad were born in 1900 and had nothing as children, when times were very, very difficult. They worked hard all their lives and brought up four children with love and kindness.
How parents could behave as yours did leaves me cold and angry too. Angry at the idiots we have had, and still have, in charge of this country who have been so blind or stupid or just did not care about the damage they were doing by letting in so many millions of people. People who did not share the values of my Christian parents or the other Christian parents across this country. Parents who had twice fought off tyranny from European dictators and lost millions of family and friends, in the process. Their heritage and ours has just been thrown away as if it were trash.
We have now had a referendum the result of which was to try and regain a little independence from those in Europe that would once again subdue us into taking even more third world people. Yet our media and politicians belittle us and hammer home how much economic damage may be done. They care not for your story Pounce, or the story of thousands like you in this country. Nor do they care for the thousands of British children raped by the monsters our masters have allowed in.
I do not care if I have to pay more for a tin of baked beans or a Chinese TV, I want our moral values back and our independence back and to hell with the lot of them. Starting with Mrs May… maybe or maybe not she will get on with Brexit. She has let more grass grow under her feet than most cows would allow.
I now pray that Trump and his best mate Nigel will start getting on with the job.
Good luck to you Pounce you are a good man in my book sir.
Old Timer,
Excellent post !
“How parents could behave as yours did”
Only the one parent was at fault, my mother had been divorced off
Pounce my humble apologies to you and your mother. Your story has had a profound effect on me and that you have come through it so well is a credit to you.
Pounce,
Always read your posts with interest and have got the impression that you were also in the Military – as I was. Although we might not have been in the same Service (and indeed hurled faux-abusive inter-Service banter, as is the way!), I can honestly say that I would have been delighted to have had you on my Squadron’s strength.
Up early, so able to report that the Today Show took up its plastic pitchforks to continue its linen suited revolution of the heart.
1. Headline 1
Girl wins court case to “do s Walt” and get herself stuck in with the frozen peas and breast milk(sorry boys, it freezes nicely). Dad didn`t want it but was not as caring as mum, who did.
Easy to be caring though when WE pay the electricity bill for the freezer isn`t it?
Typical BBC story. It`s timing duly creepy.
2. Next up?
Selly Oak Abusive Survivors and their lawyers and towel monkeys won`t stick with the Inquisition into “hysterical child abuse”.
How`s THAT second billing news?
Now it`s early, they`ve not yet had their drugs I know-but this is NOT Britain at dawn today. Just soggy linen bedwettings from the usual massage boys at the BBC.
Tell you what was NOT news though-Donald Trumps highly successful and constructive talks with PM Abe from Japan.
The bBC seemed rather keen on this oiled up Sumo to revisit Pearl Harbour.
Oh dear-went well. And therefore down the back of the sofa and conveniently lost, not followed up. The cynic in me says that those two crap overnight bags of stories wee wheeled out early because Trump and Abe gave them no story-and even THEY can`t face Omaba and Merde(Merckel?Hollande) with any enthusiam-he looked so sad yesterday luvs!
Back to hubby in bed now, will pretend I walked the dog. So embarrassed to admit I listen to the BBC on Children on Weed Day.
Oops-it DID feature 4th on the 8am news to be fair.
But in my defence, I can`t near more than three items these days-you KNOW that it all will end in
a) more money from the State
b) more laws wanted from the state
c) A pardon and compo for todays wrong `un de jour. From Duggan up to the Hillsborough paperboy who had to deliver the Sun to Hansons house in 89
d)Brexits Bad
e) Trumps no better
f) Climate Cahnge and ISIS at least not wasting airmiles, unlike the USA.
g) Trumpexit and Brump…Gah!
Muslim women and children flee Islamic nations looking for peaceful, Christian or secular alternatives that our liberal traitors turn into the exact same Islamic fundamentalist, sectarian hell-holes that these people risks their lives trying to escape from.
Meanwhile in Austria (As not reported by the bBC)
Austria: Islamic gang break Polish school girls jaw, stupid twats film the attack.
I wonder why the bBC isn’t reporting this story, as it has been headline news in the Austrian Media all week. A country in the EU which isn’t leaving, so why the hatred against Eastern Europeans
Pounce
Saw the link on your site. First, how brave the little girl is.
The counterpoint to that is that Muslims are very brave when it comes to attacking a lone man or woman. But even it up a little, and they run, screaming Islamophobia. Heck they even run from Buddhists, as in Burma
Only Russians know how to deal with Chechens, and other Muslims.
The Nazis were totally defeated when Russians and the West united. I hope it happens again, for the threat is far bigger and existential now, then it was in 1939.
Muslims are famous for their cowardice
Thanks for the link.Once again the Muslim perpetrator turns out to be the real victim. Let’s hope that Austria votes the right way next month.
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