Start The Week Open Thread

Had the joy of watching some of the BBC’s ‘Doctors’ soap…even here the propaganda runs deep as a quote from the Bible was turned into an opportunity to promote the Koran as well….a character stating ‘I read the Bible, and the Koran, it makes me a better person’…or some such waffle along those lines.  I’m sure a working class likely lad would be reading both the Bible and the Koran…but only in the mind of a BBC scriptwriter.

All posts on this open thread must now include copious praise for the Prophet’s blueprint for conquest and colonisation in the interest of celebrating diversity…the open thread is all yours…..

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453 Responses to Start The Week Open Thread

  1. popeye says:

    BBC News website this morning: “Trump touts renewal of American Spirit”. The use of the word touts is a bit pejorative in my view. The headline could be “promotes” or some other positive word, but that’s the Beeb for you! Definitely no bias there then

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    • Guest Who says:

      I believe BBC Editorial Guidelines have reserved positive terms like this, ‘audacious’ or ‘daring’ for when old men send kids into crowded markets or clubs with suicide vests and AKs.

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  2. barry69 says:

    Lord Newby, the Lib Dem leader in the Lords, today indicated that opposition peers will not back down on the issue. (EU nationals)

    “It is disgraceful that the Commons has so far allowed the Government to get away with their plan to unfairly use EU nationals as bargaining chips in upcoming Brexit negotiations.

    However Jo Coburn BBBC claimed Theresa May could announce this unilaterally and by implication fuck all Brits living abroad.

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  3. seismicboy says:

    Top state schools ‘dominated by richest families’
    Well this is a rather obvious liberal hatchet job. The inference is that selective schools are full of rich white kids. She obviously hasn’t visited my old grammar school in Dartford where white pupils are now in a minority. The inference is a grotesque distortion of the truth but it appears Ms Richardson does have a ‘bit of previous’ when it comes to presenting biased reports –
    Grammar schools and the BBC

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      Yup, it’s a bit different from Mick Jagger’s days. A few years back my youngest was playing rugby for his school against DGS – they were a bunch of ill-disciplined thugs then.

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    • Wild Bill says:

      It depends which part of the country you live in, my kids went to a great school in Cumbria, 99% white English kids and staff,and we are poor working class scum, it just reflects what the population is like.

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  4. davylars says:

    Did you know that the envoy to William the conqueror was black?
    I didn’t know that either, but according to last nights BBC documentary on 1066 apparently he was.
    The jungle must’ve been in existence even in those days

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      Read a report the other day about sickle cell anaemia in France, for which babies are tested if their parents were both born the same regions, mainly sub-Saharan Africa. Rates in Paris are now 75% infected, Britanny and Normandy have amongst the lowest rates. Pretty much impossible that in 1066 William the Bastard had a black envoy, much as Al Beeb would like us to believe that, or that London was a multiculti paradise in the Middle Ages.

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      • gaxvil says:

        No one talks about it but for years Birmingham Childrens’ hospital has been replete with children having various conditions due in breeding.
        It’s a fact but taboo to mention it. Like FGM, part of our enrichment.

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    • Cranmer says:

      I was watching that programme and thinking to myself how are they going to shoehorn a black/asian character into this? It didn’t take long before he appeared! However, there was not even a token attempt to explain his presence, ie some tenous link to some dark-hued courtier rumoured to be the son of a Moor or something.

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      • Iain Muir says:

        Hues have a habit of darkening in the hands of the BBC. Moors are never brown, they’re invariably sub-Saharan African. Same applies to roles like Othello almost everywhere these days.

        Ticks boxes and provides work for Lenny Henry.

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    • Dave S says:

      That was plain silly and a sop to progressive nostrums. The whole show was inept and trying too hard. No doubt the BBC’s conclusions will be that
      1. The English deserved to be beaten and subjugated by the Normans.
      2. Sadly the English are at it again and need to be subjugated by the EU.
      3. Where is another Duke William when the progressive cause needs him?
      The BBC seems to think the Conquest was a good thing. it would of course.
      Reality was it imposed a unwanted tyranny on a people and then lied about it being legitimate. It was not and just like the EU it was hated by us English.

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      • Iain Muir says:

        “it was hated by us English.”

        And I thought Hillsborough qualified for the 2017 Long Standing Grievance Award.

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        • Dave S says:

          In the life of a nation the past is always with us. The Conquest was exactly that and has left deep scars on us. It left us with the class system that has so blighted our land. It can be heard every time a working class Englishman opens his mouth and use words that come straight from Anglo Saxon and then compare that speech with the typical upper middle and upper class way of talking. Not that the progressive snowflakes like to hear that. Irish, Welsh and particularly Scottish history and culture is fine by them but for us English? We are just a bit too nasty and racist.
          It as if we do not exist as a distinct people and it is about time we rediscovered ourselves and put this England and our people first .

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          • Iain Muir says:

            I see little difference between your demonisation of the Viking invasion (via Normandy) and the claptrap espoused by members of the SNP (and its predecessors) who try to deny any benefit from the Acts of Union, in spite of the fact that the cooperation between England and Scotland after 1707 has in many respects been the best and most productive example of its kind anywhere.

            Britain has done well, off and on, since 1066, taking its relatively small size into account, and to imply that we would have been at least equally successful, but also classless, had the Normans been repelled is pure conjecture. Can anyone be sure that a class system would not have emerged from the dark ages without the Norman invasion, or that the ‘German’ Anglo-Saxon invasion would not have produced a similar result over time as land ownership changed and consolidated? Parts of mainland Europe unaffected by Norman influence have hardly been class free.

            Can we be sure that, without the Norman Conquest, we would have been able to withstand later invasion attempts? Can we be sure that our relative stability would have been the same?

            Our most recent, non-European invaders would like nothing more than to foment the sort of division that you seem to believe in. IMO, to try to draw a parallel between 1066 and the EU is eccentric, putting it as politely as I can.

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            • Dave S says:

              I did not mention the Union at all. My comment was that the progressive snowflake mentality espouses Scottish and Welsh and Irish history and nationhood but denies it to England. All part of the cultural marxist playbook.
              Anglo Saxon England was a highly developed society not some dark age hellhole. The Common law being but one of it’s achievements. It remains a puzzle to me that anyone can celebrate a vicious conquest that was without any justification and a near genocide ( the North of England ) at all.
              Most of us in England have been content with the Union but it’s day is past . Sad that will be but inevitable. There is just too much hostility now to it in Scotland and growing in England. My daughter lived and worked in Glasgow for some years but was glad to leave so hostile had the atmosphere become in her field of work.
              Of course we cannot know how the past would have been changed by a victory for the English in 1066. That it was a disaster for the ordinary Englishman is sure. After some five centuries and under the Tudors we at last managed to become a united people and that it coincided with our great flowering in all matters is no coincidence.

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              • Al Shubtill says:

                DS – I agree with much of what you wrote, though life under the (Welsh) Tudors was practically lived in a police state.

                Very interesting exchange between you and Iain BTW.

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              • Iain Muir says:

                “I did not mention the Union at all.”

                No, I did. I said that I see similarities between your position and some members of the SNP.

                I am well aware that “dark ages” is a term of convenience, referring to a relative lack of documentation. So far as “vicious conquest” and “near genocide” are concerned, well over the centuries we’ve dished it out as well. That’s history, and European history in particular.

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        • Number 7 says:

          Ian Muir

          “2017 Long Standing Grievance Award”

          The Scots have had a stranglehold on that award since 1707.

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          • Iain Muir says:

            Doesn’t really compare with the 950 years of grief that Dave S seems to believe in though, does it?

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    • RJ says:

      I can hardly wait for their programme on the Hundred Years War, to see who they’ll get to play the Black Prince.

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    • Melksham says:

      davylars.
      The envoy caused much swearing in the Melksham household.
      I had a look at the bayeux tapestry on the web and they depict no black faces, it is the bBBC telling porkies again.
      In a programme that one would think was meant to be educational such inaccuracies are deplorable, but at least we know the game that they are playing, I feel really sorry for anybody mislead.

      http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bayeux_tapestry/sect22_24.html

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      I am told by an expert that according to sources, the envoy used by William of Normandy was a monk from Fecamp Abbey called Hugh Margot, who was used because he could speak English. He is actually depicted on the Bayeux Tapestry as a white man. Therefore a highly incompetent error by BBC Researchers, caused by a typical left-wing need to rewrite history, using highly improbable assumptions, motivated by a politically correct fantasy, based on wishful thinking.

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    • Dave666 says:

      I spotted that and commented to Mrs Dave.

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  5. Tabs says:

    Is the BBC starting to eat humble pie? Woke up to Radio 4 mentioning how Trump is a “different person – professional, softer and non of his election rhetoric”.

    This article is taking the same line that Trump is not that bad afterall…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39124349

    Not sure what the BBC is up to but I still heard Trump say he is going to build that Mexican wall. This is the BBCs attempt to creep around Trump by reporting him in a positive light so they can be allowed back into the White House press conferences. Hopefully trump will judge them on their reporting history and not by the last token gesture pro-Trump article.

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    • S.J.H says:

      Tabs

      definite shift in BEEB tactics, Jon Sopel’s article is in a similar tone

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39124706

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Yeah but Sopel’s soft soap report had quite a sarcastic, caustic edge to it.

        Come on John, don’t just wash your mouth out, stick your head & shoulders into the outdoor water barrel. When you come up clean, you can have a fresh start. Some months of objective, polite reporting and who knows? You may be allowed back in the White House Press Room.

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    • Wild Bill says:

      I thought the same thing when listening to Radio 4 this morning, the BBC must be under orders to be nice to Trump because of their ban?

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    • gaxvil says:

      I did wonder if ‘powers that be’ might have had a quiet word with BBC moguls. It’s the only explanation I can think of as the BBC has been having so much fun, trying to bring down the candidate, then victor of a foreign Presidency?
      OR the BBC has orders to concentrate it’s propaganda on the Brexit war?

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  6. AsISeeIt says:

    I’m confused…

    The BBC this morning gives a very sympathetic platform and presentation for the relatives of British tourists murdered in Tunisia by an Islamist gunman who are presently engaged in bringing a law suit against their travel operator.

    The outcome will presumably hinge on the travel advice they received given the perceived terror threat at their destination.

    No sooner had the BBC (metaphorically at least) patted them on the head and wished them well than Simon Calder, the BBC travel guy, gave us a seemingly heartfelt plea on behalf of Tunisians engaged in the tourist industry, insisted that the chance of becoming a terror victim was statistically rare and even told us that he personally was anxious to get out to Tunisia on a holiday of his own.

    Now my question is this: If I take the word of the BBC – our trusted national broadcaster – and go to Tunisia and then fall victim to terrorism… I can sue the BBC, right?

    Of course not. The BBC is running with both the hare and hounds here. Two victim trump cards are in play and they are in close equivalence in the judgement of the BBC. On the one hand the BBC is keen on all and any legal compensation claim cases where they can be seen to support the underdog sticking it to the man. The BBC will never notice the legal profession rubbing its hands and muttering under their breath something in latin such as – ‘lovely-jubbly m’lud-ly’ Nor will the BBC ever think to extrapolate the eye-watering costs of compensation spread over the rest of us poor consumer saps – we always ultimately and inevitably pick up the bill.

    And of course on the other hand the internationalist virtue-signalling BBC can’t bear to be seen to be advising people not to visit Islamic countries.

    So the BBC play both cards: they confuse me; but they don’t think or join the dots; and they don’t care – there’s no come back.

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    • Tabs says:

      It’s rather ironic that the BBC would like just about every Muslim in the world to come and live in the UK to escape the horrors of their own Islamic countries but then insist it is OK for Brits to holiday in those same Islamic countries that have a history of terrorism.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Anybody know if the foreign office (or the BBC) are giving any recommendations about going on holiday to places like Paris or Malmo?
      Can we go into the no go areas?
      As there is no coverage on the rioting and car burning by the usual lot it mustn’t be happening.

      If some unsuspecting soul gets killed there is there a compensation claim against the government or media for keeping this news secret.
      Of course, the government could support the BBC and declare Paris and Malmo perfectly safe places.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Woolwich is nice. Apparently.

        But the spare rooms of such as Yvette, Bob or Lily remain the safest options for now.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC’s love for opening a can of precedent in full blowback there.

      The Sky vox pop had a relly admitting it was a cheap deal due to unpopularity, which the likes of the BBC had tried to counter with PR to any needing ‘support’ from tourists the BBC staff prefer nowhere near their kind of resort.

      The DIYD-DIYD approach to ‘news’ no longer works as they are so blatant.

      Saw some creeps having a fit of the vapours that Don signed some autographs, but being put back in their boxes when pointed out that if he’d refused they would be screeching he was elitist.

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    • RJ says:

      “Simon Calder ………even told us that he personally was anxious to get out to Tunisia on a holiday of his own.”

      The more BBC staff who go there on holiday the happier I’ll be. Perhaps Lord Hall Hall could organise a works trip. If they have a muslim driver it could get interesting when they have a whip-round for him.

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    • engineerdownunder says:

      Would have been more interesting if the victims families sued the Tunisian authorities for inadequate protection.

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  7. nogginator says:

    Manchester – Car fire in tunnel closes airport runway
    Normal runway services have resumed after a blaze caused some flights to be delayed
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39122961

    Witnesses – The explosion? the fireball?
    nothing to see, move along

    … Lets talk about the “envelope malfunction” at the Oscars, I m in a ‘State of shock’ says one Oscar winner

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  8. Charlie Martel says:

    Reports that Trump will now postpone his UK visit.

    Well done you assorted snowflakes, MPs and odious Berk-o, you’ve delayed by months Britain’s establishing closer ties with the most important nation on earth, the number one economy, with a leader who is – incredibly – still pro-British despite the appalling treatment by our evil media (another beauty), disgusting politicians, repulsive luvvies and the massed ranks of putrid self-obsessed virtue signallers.

    Just when we need such friends the most, the damage could be huge, irreparable.
    Just so a few miserable leftie liberals can have their 15 minutes of sanctimonious posturing.

    Soon the US economy will be roaring ahead and Brits will be begging for closer ties. Let us hope the great man will be magnanimous enough to forgive the undeserving reptiles who vilified him.

    ‘Berk’ is rhyming slang for Berkeley Hunt. How aptly Berk-o is named.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/donald-trump-postpones-state-visitto-britain-amid-fears-will/

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    • Guest Who says:

      On the plus side, BBC licence fee payers are now assured of Owen Jones willy waving in triumph all month long.

      Which is not nice.

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      • Charlie Martel says:

        Please Guest, I’m having breakfast.
        Wait till the watershed to discuss Owen Jones’ willy waving. Then cut it off.

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    • Dave S says:

      I disagree. The President should cancel and say why. That no President of the US can endure that debate in Parliament and the attitude of our state media and the luke warm two faced May. We need to be put back in our box and learn a harsh lesson.
      Nobody in flyover America gives a flying F about us and why should they?
      It is now up to us here to drain our swamp and make it fit for the President to visit. At present it is not.

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      • Charlie Martel says:

        Dave in theory I agree with you 100%. A part of me would love to see Trump cold-shoulder Britain like he did the evil bbc, and I’d love to see Parliament forced to dispatch Berk-o to Washington to beg for a state visit on bended knee. Then have him shot for treason.
        And all those who mocked and insulted be forced at gunpoint to sign an obsequious letter of abject apology before being fired. Preferably out of a cannon.

        However the country can’t afford such delays, at this critical time especially.

        And yes, we must drain the swamp.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      It wasn’t easy to screw this up! They had to work hard to alienate the American President. He loved us! I’m really fed up of these outraged libtards carrying on as if they speak for everyone. They could do with a good smack-down. We’ve had too many years now of irresponsible, unaccountable, self-serving & spineless government. We need people in power who genuinely love these islands & want them to succeed. (what are the chances of that happening?)

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  9. nogginator says:

    “The age of Australians being radicalised by the Islamic State (IS) group is increasingly getting younger, the country’s top spy has warned. Data showed a significant rise in young suspected extremists from 2013 to 2015”

    It s not IS group, the bogey man, al quaida, al shebab, al nusra there s always another, and there will after them.
    “said Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) chief Duncan Lewis … But he stressed “99.9% of Australian Muslims” were of no interest to ASIO”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-39099723

    😀 In that case those numbers will proliferate, and continue to get even younger
    As some groups, someone, mosques along with its book continues with complete impunity
    Sheesh! … are they in a race with Canada?

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  10. Dave says:

    Murderer Tanveer Ahmed – Hero of Islamic anti blasphemy movement in Pakistan.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39112840

    WTF is this doing on the front page of the BBC website?

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  11. StewGreen says:

    Melanie Phillips hits again with a new Facebook post
    “Join me here as I express my concern that our political and intellectual establishment is still denying the truth about Islamic extremism, or Islamism.”

    It links to her new article :Denial is a river in Londonistan
    ..with text book and video but no comments (which why I gave you the FB link)

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    • StewGreen says:

      Interesting comment invokes Churchill:
      They’ll shoot us on the beaches,
      they’ll shoot us at the market and at the mall
      Bang bomb, bomb
      they’ll only be happy when they dominate all.

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  12. johnnythefish says:

    Maybe it’s time for a ‘Biased Sky News’ website.

    Sam Kiley, Foreign Affairs Editor

    The Western world is being suffocated by a gigantic lie. A falsehood far worse than the fantasy that Brexit will make Britain rich, or that Mexico will pay to wall itself off from Donald Trump.

    It is a lie that has and continues to kill – and one endorsed by every shade of the political rainbow. It’s a porky even bitter enemies share.

    The fantastic fib is this: “Islamic terror is a threat to the West.”

    It isn’t.

    Not even the murderous nastiness of the Belgium bombings, the Bataclan massacre, the Nice atrocities. Not the mass casualty attacks that have been headed off in Britain or even the doomsday fantasies of the so-called Islamic State’s best brains are strategic problems.

    And our leaders know this…..

    Last weekend Max Hill, the new independent reviewer of terror legislation, spoke to The Sunday Telegraph which echoed his view with the thundering headline “UK faces terror threat from Isis ‘not seen since IRA bombings'” as news.

    And it is. But not as The Telegraph understood it. That headline was intended to frighten. To me, it was reassuring.

    Now it’s not good news that today’s mostly hapless thugs high on Islamic extremist agitprop may have reached the capabilities of the highly skilled Irish Republican Army of the 1970s. That would be a bad thing, obviously…..

    There we go – they’re just ‘Hapless thugs’. That must be great consolation to the thousands that have been religiously persecuted, tortured, raped, beheaded, slaughtered, driven from their homeland and subject to countless other acts of medieval barbarity. For the sake of me, can’t quite remember the IRA – murdering scum as they were – plumbing those depths of depravity or causing a mass migration to flood Europe.

    This journalist has abandoned all pretence of moral perspective for the sake of pushing yet more of the ‘nothing to do with Islam’ agenda whilst shoehorning in opportunistic leftist crap about Trump and Brexit. This piece out-BBC’s the BBC.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-youve-been-told-a-deadly-lie-about-is-10785909

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    • StewGreen says:

      Hmm hmm seems experienced, but he and wifes fmiles seem to be posh military people
      ..so maybe bubbleworld.

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  13. taffman says:

    “Peers are expected to agree to amend the draft legislation to protect the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.”

    Isn’t it time that this bunch freeloaders looked after the rights of the citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland not the rest of the world?
    HYS running now !
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39123604

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    • gaxvil says:

      But £350 a day just for signing on! The rationale for the Lords existence is about as bankrupt as the one for having a BBC.

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    • Tabs says:

      Notice how that BBC article shows misleading graphs? The graph for EU Nationals living in the UK has a x-axis scale x1000 whereas the graph for UK migrants living elsewhere is shown in the true actual numbers.

      At a quick glance it looks like only 800 odd Polish people live in the UK whereas 300,000 Brits live abroad in Spain.

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    • ID says:

      Taffman
      You never hear anything about the post-Brexit rights of British citizens in the EU in the German media. Nor do a constant stream of British citizens appear on the German media complaning about how anxious and unwanted they feel. No mention of hate crimes against British citizens, but then, I suppose, Germans are much too busy burning down “refugee” reception centres, 3500 attacks in last 12 months. Does the BBC really expect anyone to believe that EU citizins in the UK are afraid of deportation when the state takes 10 years to extradite muslim terrorists? It is more likely that access to social security payments is the real concern.

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  14. StewGreen says:

    Today’s Radio4-Radicals
    10.41 : Drama with Meer Syal
    10:55 The listening project : Muslims
    12:04 Bob Marley Story
    13:45 Bosnian refugees in Sweden
    2:15 Play about young black footballers
    4:00 Lawrie Taylor : squatting
    6:30 Jocelyn :Black Jamaican comedy
    8:00 Moral Maze : Loyalty ..”after Leicester City sacked manager Claudio Ranieri”
    9:30 Repeat of Midweek : where you can hear someone say
    “Don’t go Nigerian on me” * relax an African said it not a nasty white person
    next person said “we Africans can all dance”
    Charlie Condou top gay who champions gay parenting (listed number 11 in the World Pride Power List 201)
    Patti Boulaye OBE : Nigerian refugee who came to London in 70s, won New Faces
    Tracy Tynan : Posh celebrity family
    David Toole : Top dancer, born without legs, star of Paralympic Opening Ceremony
    22:45 Book about American Slavery Underground Railroad

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    • Charlie Martel says:

      “Just another day in paradise”

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    • gaxvil says:

      You sure you were tuned to a UK broadcaster?

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    • Demon says:

      At least Patti Boulaye is a Conservative.

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    • Tabs says:

      Within a few years that Radio 4 line up will be more like this:

      10:55 المشروع الإنصات: المسلمون
      12:04 بوب مارلي قصة
      13:45 اللاجئين البوسنيين في السويد
      02:15 مسرحية حول لاعبي كرة القدم الشباب السود
      04:00 وري تايلور: القرفصاء
      06:30 جوسلين: أسود الكوميديا ​​الجامايكي
      08:00 المعنوي المتاهة: الولاء .. “كلاوديو رانييري مدرب بعد إقالة ليستر سيتي”
      09:30 كرر من منتصف الاسبوع الماضي: حيث يمكنك سماع شخص ما يقول
      وقال “لا تذهب النيجيري علي” * الاسترخاء أفريقي لا شخص أبيض سيئة
      وقال الشخص القادم “نحن الأفارقة يمكن للجميع الرقص”
      تشارلي Condou أعلى مثلي الجنس الذي يدافع الأبوة والأمومة مثلي الجنس (عدد 11 مدرجة في القائمة العالمية الكبرياء الطاقة 201)
      باتي بولاي OBE: اجئين النيجيري الذي جاء الى لندن في 70S، وفاز وجوه جديدة
      تريسي تينان: الأسرة الفاخرة المشاهير
      ديفيد تول: أعلى راقصة، ولدت بدون أرجل، نجم حفل افتتاح أولمبياد المعاقين
      22:45 كتاب عن أمريكا الرق تحت الأرض السكك الحدي

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      • Iain Muir says:

        That’s fine, so long as the annual bill for the TV Licence looks the same.

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  15. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Indeed. We shouldn’t give a flying frog about the rights of EU citizens living here. The worse it is for them the better. Maybe they might be motivated to go home then huh? If things were so terrible for them here.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Exactly. Just does not make sense. Somebody REALLY should point it out!
      Why would a foreigner wish to remain here in this doomed, dreadful, soon to be ex Euro Club wasteland.
      Senile Lords, living in luxury, are not the best decision makers.
      That they should want to emasculate our negotiators before they even start smacks of sabotage.

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      • Demon says:

        Some lefty lordess on Sky this morning (typical leftie with an intermittent disability to pronounce R sounds) was saying that we should just give carte blanche to the EU citizens here while not giving a stuff about British citizens over there. Typical of her posh, lefty type: love the foreigners, hate the British.

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        • seismicboy says:

          “intermittent disability to pronounce R sounds”
          welease wodewick?

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    • G says:

      I’m rather intrigued by the Lord’s attempt to frustrate Brexit by throwing spanners into the works. Take their likely insistence today that a clause be inserted into the Bill that requires the continuity of EU citizens already in the UK to be assured. Since when did a UK Government legislate for the welfare and security of foreigners while in the UK and what do the Governments of the various EU states providing these foreigners think about it?

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  16. Sluff says:

    Today the bBBC is majoring on the death rate caused by drivers using mobile phones, and to be fair, reporting a government initiative to beef up the penalties. This is a great example of the intellectual poverty of the self-righteous.
    Now we cannot condone the 22 fatalities caused by this. But let us look at the amount of publicity, effort, and indignation on the matter.
    And then let us look at table RAS50007 on Reported Road Casualaties in Great Britain 2015. The useless BBC could do this if they could get off their arses. And then let us consider the issue of proportionality.
    The 22 fatalities represent just over 1% of the total. Rather less than the 58 caused by drunk pedestrians for example, and a lot less than the 159 caused by pedestrians failing to look properly. I could go on.
    Teaching pedestrians from school upwards to take more care could lower the accident rate significantly, but I cannot remember any initiatives on this. Is it because they do not raise revenue? How about severe fines for pedestrians who cause accidents through being drunk? So much effort and self-righteous indignation to prevent 22 mobile phone deaths yet so little to prevent hundreds more.

    And I bet you didn’t know that more accidents are caused by sudden braking than by exceeding the speed limit? Yep. Strange but true. Slowing down creates more casualties than going too fast! Yet the obsession with speed cameras continues unabated.

    If only the useless bBBC would use their God-given £4bn a year to investigate properly rather than villify and patronise.

       31 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Remember those little make-weights in boxes of chocolates – well a great deal of the BBCs ‘vital’ output is like that. Feigned concern ’till they can get to the next astounding tale of, Islamophobic, transgender, refugee, diversification – Panorama Special coming soon, story.

         19 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Mishal Hussein was equally useless as a presenter on Today when dealing with a lady from the UK Technology (Digital) industry over filling employers’ jobs. No credible questioning of any statement made by the contributor. No questioning about which vacancies were left unfilled and why UK Universities and Colleges were so dismally providing enough graduates each year despite the vast sums being paid in tuition fees.

      Mishal is, I am afraid, one of the least capable BBC presenters and should be retrained. She follows too closely in James Naughtie’s footsteps but is much better looking and doesn’t ask lengthy, leading questions.

         19 likes

    • gb123 says:

      re: “Teaching pedestrians from school upwards to take more care could lower the accident rate significantly”
      I remember being fined in Singapore once for failing to cross a main road via the pedestrian crossing.(20 SGD). Maybe the parking Nazis could take it on!

      I have often thought a better deterrent to texting/online activity whilst driving would be to confiscate or destroy the device on the spot in front of the driver. No need for court cases etc. and one heck of an inconvenience to re-load data even with a backup. Would make great reality TV as well.

         8 likes

  17. Charlie Martel says:

    I would like to apologise to al beebeera. I used to think you were the most duplicitous, mendacious, dishonest, biased broadcaster on air, but I now learn from David Wood that ABC are even worse when it comes to islamo-propaganda. In the vid below he does a demolition job on a propaganda piece they did on the Religion of War. Apart from being extremely well informed, he’s also very funny.
    Raisins or Virgins? We deserve to know! If you’re in a hurry, go to the 3′ minute mark.

       13 likes

  18. StewGreen says:

    Enrichment issues

    Birmingham has ‘not learned lessons of Trojan Horse’ warns Government tsar

    Dame Louise Casey writes to Birmingham City Council leader following hijab ban row
    condemned a councillor for stepping in to insist a Catholic school allow a four-year-old girl to wear the hijab Islamic headscarf – in defiance of its uniform policy.

    In January the Birmingham Mail revealed that Cllr Zaffar (Lozells and East Handsworth) had demanded in a Facebook post that St Clare’s Catholic Primary School change its uniform policy as its ban on the hijab was in breach of the Equalities Act. It was not.

    We also later revealed he was a relative of the girl – a fact Cllr Zaffar had not made public,
    She pointed out there is no religious requirement for a four-year-old to wear the scarf and the school was within its rights to ban the headgear.
    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/birmingham-not-learned-lessons-trojan-12672484

       22 likes

    • nogginator says:

      “Birmingham has ‘not learned lessons of Trojan Horse’ warns Government tsar”
      Typical No10 spin, and “buck” passing – Government, yep! No10 has DELIBERATELY IGNORED the lesson of Trojan Horse Schools

      Trojan Horse –
      “Former head of counter-terrorism policing, Peter Clarke. He concluded: “There has been co-ordinated, deliberate and sustained action, carried out by a number of associated individuals, to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamic ethos into a few schools in Birmingham.”

      Subsequently, Mr Clarke warned that what he had found in Birmingham’s schools was likely to be merely the tip of the iceberg. “There is a huge amount of material which I didn’t put in”, he said. “There were problems elsewhere which I couldn’t evidence sufficiently in the time available.”

      The government ignored Mr Clarke’s warning to look elsewhere, More disturbing even than this is that elements in the government have tried to suppress evidence of the problem.
      Peter Clarke has said that parts of Whitehall attempted to “intimidate” him out of undertaking the Birmingham inquiry in the first place. He also accused the government of “betrayal” after it decided to give five alleged Birmingham plot leaders, who are up before an education department disciplinary tribunal, the names and testimonies of witnesses whose confidentiality Clarke had guaranteed.
      These terrified witnesses are now being intimidated by abuse and threats as the tribunal itself becomes bogged down by legal manoeuvring. Thus No10, it still refuses to acknowledge that non-violent extremism is driven by Islamic religious fanaticism.

      As a result, the government’s anti-extremism policy is paralysed because it can’t agree what extremism is. There are other signs that Theresa May still doesn’t get it. The inquiry she set up into sharia courts, for example, has been designed merely to tinker with marginal at the edge improvements rather than address the fundamental problem, the no1 issue of allowing a parallel legal system that is inimical to British values”.
      http://melaniephillips.com/denial-river-londonistan/

         14 likes

    • Sluff says:

      In a funny way, there is a miniscule aspect of this that is heartwarming.
      Louise Casey was a Guardianista darling of the early 2000s, the go-to acceptable face of the statist liberal elite.
      But, like Trevor Philips, it seems to have gradually, slowly, but welcomely dawned on her that all those multi culti missives of the right-on liberal left were exactly the 100% dross that some of us knew all along.
      And maybe, just maybe, they realise they were suckered in and if not totally changing their spots, then at least a sense of reality has dawned.
      Result!

         7 likes

  19. StewGreen says:

    Old Bailey trial a couple are on trial for murdering their baby Rifat Mohammed cos allegedly the father abused the child cos it had a deformed hand.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4268930/Abused-three-month-old-baby-violently-shaken-death.html

       17 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Yes, because the child was ‘cursed’ via the Mother. You have to be in that primitive, culturally enriching, mind-set to get it.

         25 likes

  20. StewGreen says:

    I expect this new BBC article on Fake News is itself propaganda.
    Titled “lies-propaganda-and-fake-news-a-grand-challenge-of-our-age”
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170301-lies-propaganda-and-fake-news-a-grand-challenge-of-our-age

       6 likes

    • Charna says:

      Yes, they tried it with that useless “comedy” show too. typical BBC – Let’s mock and laugh at anything we can’t argue against.

         11 likes

    • Tabs says:

      hmmmm that BBC article gives examples of the false facts webpage especially when a search engine suggests that page as the top result.

      I just tried and searched Google for “bbc impartiality” and the top result was also false. Google came up with this fake facts nonsense
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality

         12 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        Google, lefty globalists as they are, have their searches optimized for their agenda!

           6 likes

  21. AsISeeIt says:

    Too much Bourne Conspiracy

    Have you noticed that both Hollywood and British film and tv have moved from the heroic notion of the spy battling foreign agents to casting our own western security services as the bad guys? It’s a trope we have in everything from Bourne to The Night Manager.

    Ok that’s fiction not news.

    ‘Sympathy for Lady Vengeance’

    Reporting on the assassination of the N Korean leader’s half-brother our BBC correspondent today delivers a bizaare piece of editorialising.

    Refering to the two female killers he descibes their situation as: “Pawns caught up in an international game”

    Really? That’s a bold verdict from our BBC chap considering our two ‘Kill Bills’ haven’t yet come to trial, let alone been acquitted.

    Come on BBC, are you attempting to whip up sympathy for ‘Lady Vengeance’ because she’s a woman? Is this just old fashioned chivalry or alternatively perhaps a nod to thrid wave feminism – men are to blame for everything and women are always hopeless victims?

    Or just our BBC guy watching too many spy thrillers. Grow up. And by the way, Communist regimes are pretty damned murderous.

       17 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Kim who recently executed a few more of his staff with ANTI AIRCRAFT GUNS.
      Just to be sure?

         9 likes

      • AsISeeIt says:

        ‘…executed a few more of his staff with ANTI AIRCRAFT GUNS’

        They knew they might be in for some flak, but that’s ridiculous

           15 likes

    • RJ says:

      “Too much Bourne Conspiracy”.

      I’m waiting for the film where Matt Damon finds God in “The Bourne Again Christian”.

         13 likes

  22. Charna says:

    The BBC bias infests every type of content the BBC spews out e.g.:
    Cookery programs (where we are constantly reminded to by locally sources, sustainable, organic… blah blah blah and where they turn their noses up at supermarkets – telling us to only buy from the butcher, baker and the candlestick maker).
    Radio broadcasts (that pri*K Chris Evans couldn’t help himself on Monday where he had to link Trump with that Oscar blunder in the BBC’s typical sneering condescending tone).
    Drama – it’s a bl00dy joke the amount of PC crap that rammed into these shows. I’m just waiting for a wheelchair bound gay Muslim that arrived in the UK on a floating door.
    Argghhh… I could go on about this blatant propaganda but that would take forever.
    What we should all do is complain and continue to complain.

       40 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      It’s crap but they have a grossly unfair monopoly. If TV tax we must have, then dish it around – use some to finance new(free, fair, impartial) broadcasters – a bit of competition and maybe a different agenda?

         17 likes

    • Sluff says:

      Mrs S has re-named ‘Call the Midwife’ as ‘Cram the Narratives’.
      But only if they are left of centre. Naturally.

         9 likes

  23. gaxvil says:

    It might be me getting old but scanning various channels current output:- Nasty crimes dramas, banal so called comedy, banal reality shows, ‘victim’ platforms’, lots of dark dystopian horror stuff, lots of violence especially against women/children, gross body stuff/soft porn paraded as documentary, history – some heavily rewritten.
    Archive output is in stark contrast to the current offerings.

       21 likes

  24. SupportOurLefty says:

    Friends! Ed Miliband’s Indian cousin, Saveed, has been quite busy today, writing no fewer than two pieces in the Far-Right Guardian!

    The first is about why literally nobody wants to come and live in the viciously Hard-Right, racist, so-called UK; the second is about the depressing news that the Hard-Right Dyson is viciously planning to invest in the UK economy. Both pieces can be found here:

    https://supportourjeremy.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/two-pieces-in-todays-far-right-guardian-by-saveed-miliband-1-why-literally-nobody-wants-to-come-and-live-in-the-racist-literally-fascist-uk-and-2-why-we-remainers-must-not-totally-despair-des/

       18 likes

  25. scribblingscribe says:

    Disgraceful

    The BBC carries on its front News web page a link to Trump paying tribute to the widow of a soldier killed in the Yemen attack by US forces.

    The BBC couldn’t just let the tribute to this woman’s loss, stand without a nasty add on.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123679

    In which it states, about half way in, “but something went wrong”, as a plane had a hard landing, and “several children were killed fleeing the village”.

    The actual reports in various US and UK newspapers say the women were shooting at the troops. I don’t know how the children died, nor do you and certainly the BBC doesn’t. So ‘fleeing’? How do they know the children weren’t participating in the fighting, as they do for Isis and the Palestinians.

    In any case, was it necessary to ruin the accolade given to the widow of a brave soldier, simply because it was made by Trump?

    Gut twistingly nasty and unnecessary.

       46 likes

  26. Iain Muir says:

    This is worth reading:

    Zero Pity for the BBC

       28 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Brilliant,”….. the BBC should also hire people for their DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT …”

         17 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        They’ll be able to pay them with the £1.50 increase in the bbc tax.

           4 likes

    • Oldspeaker says:

      Good find, quality comment too, looking forward to hearing it read out on BBC news.

         9 likes

  27. gaxvil says:

    ‘Scurrilous and Sleazy – Your BBC’

    Quite an achievement – the BBC has become the old, “News of the World” newspaper but with a really vile pusillanimous overlay – well done!

       16 likes

  28. ObiWan says:

    Grubby regressive freeloaders demand more free money:

    TV licence fee to rise to £147 in April, government announces

    The UK’s annual television licence fee is to rise to £147 from £145.50, the government has announced. The increase, which will come into effect on 1 April, marks the the first rise in the licence fee since 2010. In October that year, the coalition government announced the fee would be frozen at £145.50 until 31 March 2017. Last year, the government announced that it would rise in line with inflation from April 2017 for the next five years.

    The Government is responsible for setting the level of the licence fee, which covers all BBC services and contributes to the costs of rolling out broadband to the UK population. It also helps to fund the Welsh Language TV channel S4C and local TV channels.

    The announcement comes two days after BBC director general Tony Hall ordered an investigation into reports TV licence fee collectors targeted vulnerable people, spurred on by an aggressive incentive scheme.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39130964

    The regressive left’s very own ‘meeja’ job creation scheme continues…

       11 likes

  29. Tabs says:

    TV licence fee to rise to £147 in April, government announces
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39130964

    Hooray! This licence fee rise and the Jo Cox street party are two things to celebrate this year!!!

    The bottom of the article says…
    It was also announced that the salaries of BBC employees and freelancers earning more than £450,000 per year will be published.

    The BBC must have forgotten to provide us with a web link showing which “Talent” earns more than £450k. Anyone know where this info is?

    All I found was a list of managers on over £150k…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/corporate2/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies

       11 likes

    • Scroblene says:

      I’d sell my house, contents and car and crawl bollock-naked over 1000 yards of broken glass just to pay my bbc tax on time.

      There are so many diverse bbc people with real talent, I am obviously not worthy enough to lick the spittle from their twisted faces.

      I repent, and will not post here again as the bbc deserves so much from me that my survival is destined to be enshrined in their holy mantra, ‘Fuck the plebs’.

         14 likes

      • Steve Jones says:

        Scroblene,

        Your first line triggered a distant memory which led me to find this:

        A reminder that the BBC used to do self-deprecating comedy. The modern lefty regime takes itself far too seriously to allow anything like that now.

           11 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        The TV Poll Tax – the BBC just love a story of victims and injustice and state oppression. Well BBC, there you go, “The Great TV License Scandal” – a Panorama Special – my arse!

           8 likes

        • Jump says:

          ‘. . . a story of victims and injustice and state oppression’

          There have been a number of serious attempts by the TV Licence Resistance people to interest Watchdog and Private Eye in the BBC-approved physical aggression of Capita’s doorstepping minions. An in-depth report on Gary Catterick, TV Licensing ‘officer’ and convicted rapist, and Daniel Lishman, TV Licensing ‘officer’ and convicted paedophile, both of whom used their employment to facilitate their crimes, would certainly have been in the public interest.

          But sadly not to Watchdog and Private Eye, for some reason.

             14 likes

  30. Thoughtful says:

    Today has seen the BBC in a tail spin over the so called sex education starting from the age of 4, and radio 4 has gone to town in attacking it.
    To this end they have dragged all kind of weirdos on from alleged Christian backgrounds, but finally a woman who was putting the syllabus together who sounded a deal more reasonable.

    But why would the BBC be opposed to the sexualisation of children? Anyone would think that their left liberal bias would be completely behind such a project.

    There is however a much darker side as there often is with the BBC. Muslim families strongly object to any kind of sex education, even if it is only the differences between the bodies of males & females and what they will experience during puberty, or even how to recognise sexual abuse & how to report it to someone who will listen.

    Classic BBC putting Muslims first where ever & whenever possible.

       15 likes

    • Steve Jones says:

      Thoughtful,

      That is another article where the HYS comments aren’t going the BBC’s way:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39116783?userOrigin=news&context=news
      The highest rated comments are worth reading.

         5 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Indeed, Muslim children might get taught, it’s NOT okay for Grandad to do that.

         9 likes

    • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

      The bBBC TV thinks that “Sex education for 4-year-olds” is the second most important news of the day. With the beeboids’ obsession with sexual practices, and a lesbian Education Secretary, we can all see why they are supporting this. As their reporter summarised it “preparing children for life in modern Britain”.

         9 likes

      • Al Shubtill says:

        The Left always attempt to sexualize children. It is part of their total war on the traditional family unit, that forms the bedrock of a strong, stable society – which they don’t want at all; since such societies aren’t ones in which they will ever achieve power.

           12 likes

  31. taffman says:

    “Two British medics killed working for IS”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39131251
    British ??????
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985

       21 likes

    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      That’s one of those things that has bothered me for a long time. We now place so little value on British ethnicity & nationality that we have given it away to anyone & everyone. I resent that the left have accumulated the power to redefine what “British” means.

         25 likes

      • JimS says:

        Just be grateful that you are not ‘Swedish’!

           10 likes

        • BRISSLES says:

          So, the indigenous Swedish have got to ‘integrate’ as well ????? – did I hear right ?

             5 likes

          • gaxvil says:

            But there is only one answer a Swede or any other could give – WHY?

            Something terribly wrong here.
            The people MUST accept and MUST WELCOME and even disadvantage themselves due to amounts of imported foreigners.
            Did the Swedes vote for this?
            No European parliament has been given a mandate for this action which is on a par with War Powers Acts in terms of gravity.

               6 likes

            • Al Shubtill says:

              The Swedes (the sensible ones) regret allowing so many Communists, who fled Chile in the 1970’s, into their country – it was a grave mistake which helped to lay the ground work for what they’re facing now.

                 6 likes

        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          After watching that video, I finally realised that I loved Big Brother.

             3 likes

      • Oaknash says:

        Lucy – I reckon being British is a state of mind as much as anything else.

        If someone comes here legally from say India or Ghana and embraces our culture and society and respects our laws then I consider them British. They will never be English (and I expect they would not consider themselves to be so) But if they contribute to our society then there is no reason to deny them nationality.

        However if someone comes from a culture or religion that rejects our ways and actively works against our interests I would ask what are they doing here? But I suppose as far as they are concerned they are British but only as far as picking up the benefit cheque,

        Additionally if someone leaves this country to fight against our own troops and interests. Then as far as I am concerned they have rejected being British and I would consider it reasonable to cancel their British passport and leave them to rot in whatever foreign shitehole they went to (where the only possibility of leaving is in the company of their 72 virgins). And as far as I am concerned the same goes for “Jihadi Jack” from Oxford and those 16 year old girls. You made your bed – you better lie in it!

        I suspect that if we took this attitude then the numbers who would go, would plummet.

        To me and most reasonable minded people this appears to be common sense. Unfortunately the media and in particular the BBC do not recognise disloyalty to your homeland as any sort of sin (because they possess no loyalty or pariotism themselves – and this is why the dont understand us) and therefore they put pressure on politicians not to punish these traitors but instead to find some sort of scapegoat rather than focus on the fact that there are some people out there either because of their upbringing, culture or plain old bitterness who are just traitors and should be treated as such.

        I expect while we are still governed by woolly liberals such as Sharia May little is likely to change as these types are more concerned with abasing themselves to the media than being a leader (and some times hard decisions need to be made)

        Unfortunately while the BBC and the MSM still govern this land, British nationality will continue to be pimped out to anyone who enters this country illegally and says they are some sort of victim. The message this sends out is this “If you break the law to enter this country and lie = we will support you” Therefore those who are more likely to break the law are more likely to enter the UK.

        What you can be sure of is that when we finally do suffer a massacre from a returning Doctor or Engineer the media and the politicians will be blaming every one except themselves.

           18 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          I would love to hear those sentiments expressed in our Parliament and actually back up the words with actions – not too much to ask is it?
          As you say that is what any, normal, reasonable, right thinking person would agree with.
          That is what Donald Trump says.

             10 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        I guess its my age and generation, but when I’m met with the word ‘British’, I don’t immediately think of every colour or religion on the planet with the word ‘British’ in front of it ! If I’m abroad, and I’m asked where I’m from, I don’t say I’m a “British Christian”, although it could soon come to that !

           10 likes

    • Loobyloo says:

      Others returning to an overpaid NHS post near you, soon!
      Cancel passports, end of.

         15 likes

    • JimS says:

      They were crying for ‘our Bethnal Green girls’ today as well.

         7 likes

  32. Thoughtful says:

    After the rationale behind migrant workers, and how they damage the indigenous workforce by driving down wages and taking resources it comes as no surprise that the Tory Lords are keen to delay Brexit for as long as possible so they can cling on to their cheap workforce and maximise their profits, no surprise either that the craven Labour peers ever keen to betray the working class (can kiss my ass) also keen on keeping the migrants in Britain too.
    What for I cannot imagine, unless it is to destroy the NHS as quickly as possible I cannot imagine. One of the highlights for me was some stupid Labour peer describing the migrants as “too precious to be used as bargaining chips” (poor snowflake).

       17 likes

  33. BRISSLES says:

    I know that we all have traumas and desperate situations in our lives, and I have every sympathy, BUT just lately I find I’m constantly switching news channels when faced with sobbing people. The reasons vary from occurrences with the NHS, road accidents caused by mobile phone users, concerns with elderly/dementia care and refugees wailing.

    Is it me ? because people seem to ‘weep’ at the slightest thing, and on camera ! of course I’m not immune to a good old sob, but never in public; even ‘holding it in’ at the funerals of my nearest and dearest, so all this wailing on the box has me reaching for the shopping channels !!!!

       21 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Just serial emoting 24/7.
      Cheap telly that writes itself. Money shots of grieving people with concerned nodding shots of hacks, looking cow eyed. Grief thieves like Jon Snow. And a substitute for reason in that it won`t be easy to face down calls and claims from the grieving that “something must be done”.
      You`d be heartless to do so-and the media put that card of “victim led policy narrative” down at the earliest opportunity, should you dare to get in the way of that liberal steamroller of theirs.
      Heartily sick of it-the BBC and the like seem to have all become an ever rolling charity appeal with That`s Life agitprop and consumer rights in the public service auctions of their self concocted “moral causes”.
      The Left obsess and deal only in “feelings”-bypasses the brain and common sense, makes them feel so bloody virtuous.

         17 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        One could do quite a lot with all those 145 pounds.

        Maybe something ………….. worthwhile?

           7 likes

    • JimS says:

      Aaaaaggghh! Oh no! Sob..blub…blub.

      They’ve just sold the last gas-fired BBQ, with free tools.

         2 likes

  34. Lucy Pevensey says:

    The Lord’s vote result has just been delivered.
    Just as we thought, foreigners mean far more to the Lords than their own people.

       39 likes

    • Melksham says:

      Lucy.
      I understand your point, but given that Mrs M has already stated that the present EU migrants will be allowed to stay then she should just say OK to the amendment and if it turns out badly for Brits overseas later she will be able to make political capital out of it. She is supposed to be a politician.

         13 likes

      • ID says:

        The negotiations are with the EU. They would not make idiotic concessions before the negotiations have even started. The “people should not be bargaining chips” shtick is arrant halo-polishing nonsense. The whole negotiaating process is about the fate of people. Equally nonsensical is the call for “meaningful votes”. Whatever the House of Dullards or the House of Fossils might decide, it will be of no interest to the EU. All this “right is might” crap is futile in the extreme.

           24 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          Call me a revolutionary but decisions made on our behalf by people so incredibly isolated from the consequences of those decisions sticks in my throat.

             28 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Lucy, while we are rightly concerned for Brits abroad in the EU, Parliament is not that enabled. As I understand it the Queen governs in Parliament over her realm. Currently that is the four home nations plus Crown dependencies and colonies, is it not? It does not extend over EU nations with the exception of the British bases on Cyprus.

      I am none too disturbed by this Lord’s decision and would echo Melksham’s point. The PM can just pour on the acceptance with good grace and emphasise the concern that all in the UK parliament have for all residents here. She can then add that it is being done in expectation of reciprocal generosity from our about to be former partners in the EU.

      Give it some style, Mrs May!

         9 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        whilst agreeing with all the points above, lucy does hit the nail on the head.

        we have some 1700 parliamentarians and 1500 of them are more concerned for the welfare of foreigners than they are for brits and britain

        How the fuck did this ever happen?

        my concern is that the eu nazis will now hold brits abroad ransom for some other spurious demands.

        Unfortunately for them they may have to come home to blighty.

           19 likes

        • Up2snuff says:

          Then, as Melksham suggests, it will be entirely the responsibility of the House of Lords. The public, suitably enraged, might then ask for the House of Lords to be substantially reformed.

          How did it happen?

          Getting rid of the Hereditary Peers may have been the start of the slippery slope but the political parties have been packing the HoL with their placemen for decades. There are no doubt enough members there who own property or travel frequently in other EU States to probably want their easy access to continue. Others may be doctrinally wedded to the EU concept.

          Cameron knew he should file Article 50 on 25, 26 or 27th June 2016 but refused to do so and chose to fall on his sword instead.

          I suspect that Theresa May did not really expect to become PM so she had to work out her game plan while in office and chose the cautious approach. Thus, opponents & meddlers, Miller and others, House of Lords, former PMs, etc., all have time and their opportunities to disrupt our departure from the EU.

             16 likes

        • Oaknash says:

          It happened because the Lords are only loyal to their own wealth, privilege and power. And what we saw today was an exercise in Liberal power.

          They are basically saying – you can have as many referendums as you like but we make the decisions – so piss off back to white van land and mind your own business!

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  35. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Always a delight when the Left gets itself kicked for “not being angry enough” by its own bitter spawn…as Tatchell and Greer know now.
    Couldn`t happen to more deserving people.
    https://heatst.com/politics/michigan-state-professor-in-hot-water-after-sending-trump-themed-valentines/
    Rob De Luca…welcome to Bizzaroworld-hope they`re not done with you yet at MSU!

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  36. seismicboy says:

    Two British medics killed working for IS
    Best bit of news I have heard all day. However why it is even considered news is beyond me.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      Thanks for the link, Seismic.

      Here’s an extract:

      “”Like many other middle class Britons with a Sudanese family background, he took a degree in medicine in Khartoum, graduating in July 2014″”.

      What’s this degree worth? Does it give a right to be a doctor in the UK?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Seems Glasgow Departures is a wee bit more promising than Arrivals.

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  37. Cassandra says:

    Confused mouthy Asian ‘reporter’ on The One Show commenting on the Grunwick strike of the seventies:

    “…Lead by a migrant woman in a racist Britain.” Followed almost immediately by “…And amazingly the almost universally white male unions of Britain took to the streets to support her.”

    Talk about contradictions.

    Looking at the mess this country is now in, I wonder what those trade unionists would do now?

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  38. gaxvil says:

    I’ll say it again, £350 daily ‘expenses’ for a Lord.

    If a second chamber or Government back-stop were needed; most common folk have the internet and could vote using it. Real democracy!

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    • ID says:

      Absolutely, gaxvil

      One thing the whole Brexit process has brought home to me is the massive distain the political and media class have for the people. They cannot understand what leaving or staying in the EU might mean. In the past the phrase “will of the people” was used because it was thought that people had the right to determine how they lived. No one considered elections to be a moral or intellectual test to be passed by the electorate, i.e. their was an a priori right answer that could be worked out by living saints, intellectuals, wisemen and flatumancers.
      Trump cut out the media middleman, perhaps we should cut out the political middleman like the Swiss.

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      • G says:

        ID,
        So, with a good majority the Lords voted to amend the, virtually one-line draft legislation so endeavouring to tie the Governments negotiating hands.
        So let me get my head around this: the three million migrants from the EU whose arrival and continuing presence played an immense part in the Referendum decision of the British public, need to be protected? Do I understand this correctly?
        I imagine that the political party with the manifesto that contains a pledge to abolish the Lords, post haste, will be the party that is voted in come 2020.

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  39. gaxvil says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/01/europes-pro-trump-outpost-populist-hungary-buoyed-by-us-shift-on-refugees-russia.html

    At least there’s one EU national leader buoyed up by Donald Trump:-

    //Hungary was widely criticized by many European leaders for a position that stands in stark contrast to the open-arms policies of nations like France and Germany. But now, with President Trump in the White House moving to clamp down on refugee admissions — and pushing a nationalist agenda, one he underscored in his speech to Congress Tuesday night — Hungary’s ruling Fidesz party is feeling emboldened.

    “[Before Trump] if you articulated that you see your country as first, your country’s interests as first, the security of your people as first, you were immediately considered fascist, extremist, nationalistic, whatever — all kinds of bad words,” Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó told Fox News in a recent interview at the United Nations in New York.

    “Now we have the right and the braveness, in every country, to say for the leadership of that given country, that that country is the first. It has enabled us to name the challenges as they are,” he said. “… With Donald Trump winning, the era of hypocrisy and political correctness should be over.”

    Hungary is now hoping for a relationship significantly warmer than the ice-cold connection the country had with Obama’s administration.

    “Under the Democratic administration, we had an extremely bad political relationship, actually it was frozen — very cold — that was the deepest point in history regarding the political relationship in modern history between two countries since the conclusion of the Cold War.”

    Szijjártó says the Obama administration attempted to interfere in their internal politics and issued a list of things Hungary needed to do to enhance the relationship — which Hungary condemned as an interference in its internal politics.

    But with Trump in the White House, Orbán’s government is reflecting new confidence by doubling down on existing policies. The government announced this week that it has started building a second border fence, with heat sensors and cameras installed, in anticipation of a fresh wave of migrants from the Middle East in 2017.//

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  40. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:
  41. Thoughtful says:

    This story – unreported on the BBC is precisely why our country is F*****d.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/heroin-addict-jailed-after-tied-12675766

    A heroin addict dad has been jailed after bringing ‘terror’ to a Manchester-bound flight by biting two members of cabin crew and headbutting a passenger who desperately tried to restrain him.

    Father-of-four Mohammed Rashid had to be tied to his seat with cables during the mid-air drama from Pakistan via Dubai, Manchester magistrates court was told

    The court heard three witnesses had travelled to Manchester from Dubai for the case in vain, with Rashid pleading guilty on the proposed day of trial.

    Rashid, who has claimed benefits for nearly 20 years due to health problems, says he has little recollection of what happened and said the tablets made him feel ‘drowsy’.

    Jailing Rashid for 24 weeks, chairman of the bench Steven Palmer said: “What happened on that day will have caused terror to all of the passengers on that flight.”

    OK that’s the story, but here is where our hopeless Political Correctness Enforcement Squad utterly fails us.

    Rashid is a heroin addict, and he smokes. Rashid has lived off benefits for the past 20 years, so how the f*** is Rashid able to afford to fly Emirates to Pakistan via Dubai, and how is able to afford some nice new clothes to wear to court?
    If the PCES were still a Police force and not more interested in policing and preventing free speech they would be taking a long hard look into whether this man is dealing drugs himself, and where he has been sourcing them from.

    They just don’t want to rock the boat in case there’s a riot or it goes pear shaped again for them.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      If he had been a member of UKIP, the report would run for many years. Guaranteed.

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    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      ‘The court heard three witnesses had travelled to Manchester from Dubai for the case in vain, with Rashid pleading guilty on the proposed day of trial.’
      The scummy Shiner type lawyer would have advised him to do this on the hope that the witnesses wouldn’t show up and the case could be thrown out.

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  42. Thoughtful says:

    Just how stupid can one institution (The EU parliament) get?

    “As many as twenty million African migrants could come to Europe in the near future, according to the new president of the European parliament.”

    OK I believe that so what should we do to stop it? Well don’t forget this is the kingdom of the terminally stupid:

    Antonio Tajani said Europe needs to do more to help asylum seekers in order to quell migration.

    Huh? Surely doing more for them will only encourage them to come here?

    He proposed the EU should open asylum centres in Libya in a bid to protect vulnerable refugees

    WHAT ??!?!??!!!!? a war torn country with no government being fought over by various power hungry factions and a very likely home for ISIS members fleeing Syria??
    so hows that going to work then?

    The news comes as the head of the EU border agency warned that organisations who rescue migrants from the Mediterranean are fuelling people smugglers
    Fabrice Leggeri also told Die Welt that rescue missions by non-government organisations makes it more difficult to monitor migrants as they pass into Europe
    He also told the German newspaper, the lack of cooperation with organisations and security services makes it harder ‘to gain information on trafficking networks through interviews with migrants and to open police investigations’.

    Mr Leggeri’s comments were rebuffed by Luise Amtsberg, a member of the German parliament.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4268820/TWENTY-MILLION-African-migrants-heading-Europe.html#ixzz4a6tf8Gv5

    Almost unbelievable if we hadn’t learned the awful truth of liberal ‘thinking’.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      It seems like we can’t get them ALL here fast enough for some people. We aren’t giving away our own land, infrastructure & food supply quickly enough so we need to send resources abroad to process them faster & faster! Heck why not just collect them in an airbus and make sure they have WIFI on the way.

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      • G says:

        Lucy, for some while I have advocated using all the laid-up container ships to ferry them in.

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    • G says:

      Thoughtful,
      Nowadays, I often see in my minds eye, that part of Walt Disney’s ‘The Saucerer’s Apprentice’ along with the theme music by Paul Dukas where Mickey Mouse realises in a panic that everything’s running out of control and he no longer can exercise any control of the madness. Dah, di dah, dah di dah……..

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  43. Thoughtful says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4272680/Person-stabbed-BBC-Radio-2-studios.html

    And the BBC door people find out what Black on black violence is all about in reality, but the BBC goons upstairs are probably now imagining some white skinhead with crop jeans braces and doc Martins, after all it couldn’t possibly be another Black person, as they are only ever the victims !

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  44. BRISSLES says:

    “As many as twenty million African migrants could come to Europe in the near future, according to the new president of the European parliament.”
    I read this too in today’s Press. But why are they so surprised ???? we all predicted this 2 years ago when they started come across the Med in their Oil cans. We said then, that Africa will be empty in 10 years time at this rate, – so we’ll be in the state that they’ve created the 3rd world conditions on our doorstep. Probably be a good time to emigrate to Africa and leave ’em all to it, – they will have the same poverty stricken conditions they left behind but in a colder climate !!! And we will start again, but in a warmer one !

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      I hate hot climates! It’ll have to be Switzerland for me. Or by the sound of it Hungary.

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    • G says:

      Brissles,
      My own thoughts entirely. ‘Exchange is no robbery’.

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    • Sluff says:

      Just joining the dots slightly (something of which the Al Beeb marxist students could never be accused)
      My local Labour MP believes strongly that green belt land should be built on because of the housing shortage.
      But the housing shortage is caused by excess demand caused by excess population caused in great part by mass immigration.
      And the green belt is the long-held preserve of those who have lived here for decades.
      Thus it is proved that to Labour the rights of immigrants, asylum seekers, and economic migrants are more important than the rights of our own citizens.

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      • gaxvil says:

        “the rights of immigrants, asylum seekers, and economic migrants are more important than the rights of our own citizens.”

        It’s fact we see and hear it expressed every hour of every day but you do not include convicted felons who also have more rights than we do.

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  45. Guest Who says:

    https://heatst.com/world/german-government-issues-travel-warning-for-sweden/?

    Looks like Tui may not be running any Viking Experience tours.

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  46. Dystopian says:

    Not BBC but ITV bias. Apparently, according to Robert Peston, if all eu citizens went home, our hospitals would cease to function, our schools would cease to function…blah blah blah.
    Ps somebody put some new batteries in him or wind him up he sounds like the bunny with the cheap batteries on the Duracell ads!

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    • G says:

      Dystopian,
      Dare I mention that the UK stood alone some 78 years ago with no help from the Europeans AT ALL. Indeed, they are free as a result of this country’s stubbornness and we could do it again if alone. Maybe the exiting of the foreigners would put a little more spunk into the typical Brit?

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    • gaxvil says:

      But surely it’s Indians and Pakistanis that operate the NHS – wish they’d make their minds up – effin’ morons.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Peston was the economics bloke on R4 PM. (and he was an irritating twat on that) How did he become so learned about so much, so quickly? Home study course?

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  47. popeye says:

    From Laura K’s report on the HoL defeat on the BBC website – “And for some rebel Tory moderates, an oxymoron if ever there was one”. So there we are, you can’t be a Tory AND a moderate. Anybody to the right of the BBC (most of us) is a Nazi!

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  48. Guest Who says:

    Seems Ian and the guys are back in their comfort zone:

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  49. gaxvil says:

    Ahah! or rather, Achtung! Germany says today that if they spend the agreed 2% on NATO it will give them military superiority in Europe.

    Nearly as good as, ‘the dog ate my homework’.

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  50. Guest Who says:

    And it is said the bbc can’t still produce great comedy:

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