When the polls close at 1opm, the BBC coverage kicks in and I am sure you will want to comment on it here! I predict an emotional breakdown as I don’t believe a word that the ‘Polls’ are suggesting! The floor is yours….
ELECTION NIGHT THREAD…..
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If we’re going to keep talking about a “Hung Parliament” we’re going to need a lot more rope.
Oh dear, the National Union of Teachers is calling for May to go. Not seen it on the BBC yet but they were supposed to be leading the masses, with famous movie director Come Home Kenneth Loach and his Left Unity Party
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Says the teachers of our children
The result last night is a disaster for the Tories, and a stunning result for anti-austerity and anti-racist politics.
Theresa May has no right to remain as Prime Minister. Her mandate has been decimated.
Join our protest at 5pm tonight at Downing St.
Called by Lambeth NUT, London Region UCU, Islington NUT.
Another protest has also been called, we support this call and will join the protests together:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1954540861450245/?ti=cl
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Hang on Komrads, I want her to go but her party did win the election
Protest on now, led by Owen Jones
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/downing-street-protest-at-theresa-mays-new-government-planned-for-friday-evening-6698467/
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Just watched the BBC news
Laura Kuensberg yelled out to Teresa May
‘Is this what you call a strong and stable government.’
What a bitch, kick somebody when their down.
How could she say that with a straight face? Oh, she didn’t …..
Lobbie,
Laura is the bitch from hell. I am sorry, but we have many of them in Scotland. Krankie is another. But we also have bonnie lassies ( not that you would be interested ). May I just apologise for ” nebby besoms” like them.
Kuenssberg has just said (on the Radio 4 news at 6 pm, in the final comment piece) that Corbyn proved himself to be “the ultimate campaigner”.
Remind me: how many seats did Blair get in 1997 and 2001? And how many did Corbyn just win?
Mere crowing and abuse disguised as a “question”. Never mind bias, this is plain yobbery.
is that not the kind of thing done by political protesters not impartial broadcasters
I heard that too, she really is full of herself at the moment, we know what follows pride though. I get the impression that Kuensberg wants to be the news rather than report it, a little unprofessional really.
I’ve complained to the BBC about her, asking why she has suddenly become so important that her name is scrolled along the bottom of the news channel (yesterday).; and the journalistic behaviour of their reporters – screaming like fish-wives their questions to their intended victims across the street. And we wonder why kids today have no/little manners – oh yes, these journalists are the generation who are parents !!!! (own questioned answered then)
Politics has become just another reality tv show, in the mold of Jeremy Kyle, etc., Briss, LK is no longer just a sneering journo, she’s its sneering star.
Don’t hold your breath re the complaint!
Just watching the biased BBC1 6 pm news shitfest.
If you edit out the actual results you would swear from the bBBC coverage the result was a Labour landslide.
Funny, that.
As a rule, I tend not to watch any news programs after a GE. Hopefully this will now give the people a reprieve from all this in your face politics which the Media has been shoving down our throats for the past 3 years.
Yes sluff,
Al beeb has got its narrative sorted out. Hard kicking of the conservatives where ever possible .
During the day someone said it was easier for labour to promise everything because they didn’t expect to get in. The numbers didn’t add up but no one cared. The kids and others fell for empty Corbyn promises not particularly picked apart by main stream – too busy laughing at car crash interviews .
I can’t see May or the new government to last long – particularly since main stream media will go on and on pushing the bias . If I was fedup before it’s going to be even worse now
Biased BBC now kicking UKIP in the teeth.
I wonder if they will use the same visceral vicious attitude to the Green Party?
Who they outpolled !!!!!
Well lets face it the beeb have been the unofficial opposition since 2015 as there was no-one credible in the Labour party.
Corbins claiming a victory (that`s two of them who are dodgy at maths then) and Kuenesberg is still harping on (does she sleep?). I reckon she should have a go herself, she seems to have all the right credentials, rudeness, verbal dia…hoea and a face you`re not going to forget.
I suppose it`s only fair for them to have a gloat after the massive embarrassment of their Brexit predictions last year.
Apparently loads of students voted for Labour, on a promise of abolishing student fees (value £27,000 per person) plus cancelling student debt.
People who have paid no or little tax in their lives.
In other words, the most disgraceful ‘cash for votes’ example in history.
What next? Reducing the voting age to 10 and offerring free sweeties?
Worked for Savile sluff.
So -as the BBC witnessed-can only help our Corbz and his Paedo Exchaneg Alumni like Dromey and Harman, Driberg and lord knows who.
That Pink Van of Hatties in 2015 was only the Child Catcher Van with girly livery.
The Left are serial groomers of kids minds, and just love to put their fingers on the nub of youth. Do we REALLY want the BBC, ITV and the Liblabs cruising around our campuses to massage minds for the next storming of the citadels?
No-the BBC and their fellow groomers need removing.
Oh blimey-Michael Crick speaks of “The Labour Family” coming together now.
How much more of this are we going to fund?
PlayStations and Lego – get real!
Oldest trick in the book though – promise the World on a plate – then after you’ve got the vote……………
Kids huh?
If the indoctrinated young idiots have been fooled into moving the Doom clock on a few ticks – sod ’em. It’ll come back to bite them in the form of third world living conditions, no money, no jobs -and with welfare and social housing set aside for immigrants only.
Apologies for repeating but I wasn’t sure that people might see this on the other thread. I must confess to feeling pretty gutted at the whole affair.
The left (and remaining right) can already sense that Brexit will now be a quivering, apologising mess of an affair where if it happens to go ahead will surely be a deliberately bad deal that makes many Brexiteers wish they had never bothered. We’ll be rolling over and taking it as hard as the EU wants to give it to us with a smile and a sycophantic ‘yes, of course we’ll pay an exorbitant exit fee’.
The Europhile Tories like Ken Clarke will do everything they can to exert their power to force the leaders hand with endless threats of mutiny and rebellion.
Our hoped for toughness on immigration and Islam and terror attacks will melt in the face of a resurgent loony left ‘love everyone’ mantra that will consign us to even greater immigration, forced tolerance of Islam unwillingness to integrate and a general dismantling of the backbone that I thought we were managing to rediscover.
Our finances will get even worse than they already are as the Tories struggle to placate a demanding Labour opposition that had no ability to fund the ridiculous Christmas wish list that they promised everyone.
Corbyn, and the unpleasant almost fascist side of the left, have won without the inconvenience of having to enact and carry out their delusional, ill-conceived plans. They can snipe from the sidelines, supported by their ever willing champion and sponsor the BBC, on every little issue that seeks a common sense resilience but will be answered with a placatory weakness.
From feeling so proud of the British people in standing up to the relentless bullying and endless doom mongering of the referendum campaign and having the stones to say no to the EU, they have now melted to leave us with a crowd pleasing, virtue signalling shambles of a government.
I know it sounds dramatic but I enjoy politics and the direction of our country is important to me. Yet I feel we’ve taken a ridiculous tumble and the realisation of it stings every time I forget about it and then suddenly return to it.
How about an uplifting little snippet to round off a perfect day? And Day’s the word for it too as the three top solicitors from the noble firm of Leigh Day – the diligent seekers of truth and justice who have gained millions by prosecuting our soldiers and driving many close to suicide – have been cleared of all ‘wrong-doing’ by the Bar Council. They were quoted as saying: ‘Now we can get back to doing what we love….’
There. Told you. Makes you proud? Now put your feet up and enjoy the rest of the day.
Well, that’s just a case of, not eating your own.
Doctors judging Doctors, Police judging Police – same thing.
“In February, the government welcomed the SRA’s successful prosecution of the controversial solicitor Phil Shiner who was found guilty of 22 charges of misconduct including dishonesty and a lack of integrity. He was struck off.
His firm, Public Interest Lawyers, which had worked closely with Leigh Day in bringing claims by Iraqis against the Ministry of Defence, closed in August after being stripped of legal aid funding for breaching contractual requirements.
Leigh Day always acknowledged some human error, but denied professional wrongdoing, ”
\\ A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: “We have noted today’s decision and are disappointed that, unlike in the case of Phil Shiner’s Public Interest Lawyers, the tribunal has not agreed with the concerns we have raised.
“We will continue to both vigorously defend any opportunistic claims when we believe they are false or exaggerated, and to bring any evidence of wrongdoing to the attention of supervising bodies.”//
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40220366
“In February, the government welcomed the SRA’s successful prosecution of the controversial solicitor Phil Shiner who was found guilty of 22 charges of misconduct including dishonesty and a lack of integrity. He was struck off.
His firm, Public Interest Lawyers, which had worked closely with Leigh Day in bringing claims by Iraqis against the Ministry of Defence, closed in August after being stripped of legal aid funding for breaching contractual requirements.
Leigh Day always acknowledged some human error, but denied professional wrongdoing, ”
\\ A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: “We have noted today’s decision and are disappointed that, unlike in the case of Phil Shiner’s Public Interest Lawyers, the tribunal has not agreed with the concerns we have raised.
“We will continue to both vigorously defend any opportunistic claims when we believe they are false or exaggerated, and to bring any evidence of wrongdoing to the attention of supervising bodies.”//
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40220366
It was very interesting to note how the tribunal decided to pass their judgement on the day after the election in which to hide their we look after our own verdict.
BBC World Service now – an ‘impartial’ panel of Lefties (2 x UK, 1 x French, 1x Yank) agreeing that the MSM is anti LEFT biased, anti Corbyn, anti Democrat, pro Le Penn etc.,
‘Your BBC – Always First With Opinion, Last With the News’.
Meanwhile, apparently, distrust of MSM is occurring on left and right?
Just watched the ITV “analysis” of the election results.
As asinine and cliche stupid as any other outlet that employs ex-Beebots like Robert Peston. Just heard Jon Snow tell us all that ” the tabloids got Corbyn all wrong”.
So unlike the broadshits like yourself Snowjobby eh?
The main stories could be one of many. For me , the resurrection of Conservatism in Scotland, the recount for Farron, the binning of Clegg, the fact that Labour may well have won if they`d had a Johnson and not an IRA spunkdoll(albeit with greyer pubes than in 1983 for a beard)
Could also discuss the wipeput of Remainaiacs as anything but a toffs yacht for Soros and his frothy fuckups like Campbell, Major and Soubry. 80% of MPs now are committed for Brexit as in the pipeline, so who needs Barniers opinion now?
Any fo the above would be newsworthy.
But -as yet-no debate.
Just hero-worship of Corbyn, as far as I can see and his delusions that he actually WON this election.
Tories lose a few Labour gain a few, Scottish Tories take massive chunk out of Krankies oatmeal warriors. But nothing much.
Can we PLEASE hog tie and dismember the BBC and Channel 4, before they REALLY screw this country over for good…it`s perilously close now.
ChrisH – it’s enough to make you spit. C4 news tonight is a 20 minute party political by the St. corbyn party .
There , incredibly , similarities between Trump and Corbyn . He has no past . Can say and do anything . His staff turned him into show business .
And now, oh joy of joys, we have Steve ‘I’m Such a Funny Guy’ Coogan on the One Show sofa, to add his degree-level humour to election analysis. Total Arsehole.
Just chatting in a Gambian chat room and I said that I hate politicians. Young Kumba Joof ( age 22 ) has an opinion on this. She says about politicians , in Wolof , ” Dingol rek ! “. Trans. ” They are real baboons ” ! Kumba , when Treezer resigns, please be our next PM.
So Corbyn voters gave an anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, Climate Skeptic Party the balance of power*.
…. Well done you
*DUP policies
Pity they are not Hard Brexit but the 52% will march with pitchforks if the gov try to slide out of it
In fact time for a Brexit Solidarity March ……………… GO-WI – Get On With It
There should have been a general election when Camoron resigned after the referendum.
That way the winners, at that time probably the Conservatives, would have had a leader who had fought and won a GE and obtained a clear mandate to trigger Article 50 and get on with Brexit.
Instead we had a PM who didn’t even go through a leadership contest within her own party and who lately decides to call a GE to give her a bigger majority; the result of that decision is she gets a smaller majority. I couldn’t believe my ears this morning when I heard we’d ended up with a hung parliament.
I don’t know about anybody else, but everyone I’ve dealt with today at work has seemed thoroughly p****d off.
Better still Al, Cameron should have stayed strictly impartial – dare I say statesmanlike? – throughout the referendum, accepted the result, stayed on in the job he was elected to do, declared full non-negotiable Brexit within a month and steered us through. That’s what he should have done.
Beltane – he should, but he’s a complete a$$h0le.
BBC now targeting the DUP Expect more of this during the next few months
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40217141
What`s not to like GWF?
If they get rid of the TV License, they`ll go down in history.
The BBC seem not to want to mention this key manifesto commitment here do they?
Jon Snow dislikes them?…well grand-just grand.
Let`s bake some gay cakes by way of tribute!
Come On Arlene…
ChrisH
They are climate change denyers.
cH – Maybe they could even get Arlene Foster to do Bake Off?
Maybe we should give all these young snowflakes a break the £30-40k freebie comrade corbyn will bribe them with will be the last good news of their life time
Most of them will be un-employed as the country tanks
if corbyns marxists allow any future free elections, there wont be anything or one worth voting for anyway
The employed ones wages wont keep with the raging inflation and everyone in employment will be massively taxed
Their precious NHS wont exist or benefits or pensions to any useful degree
and before they retire they will be living in a Islamic Theocracy of a third world shit hole
and all the LGBT+ ones will be thrown off buildings or strung up
demographics is destiny
Can’t wait. I’m just brushing up on my Allah ackba
Can`t imagine that I`m not the only one who`s havig a laugh on Labours websites and the usual lefty front organisations like 38 Degrees and Transtion Towns etc.
Put up my disdain for Corbz failing to match what Alan Johnson would have won for “us” had we stuck to Tony Benns agenda not his worthless son.
Also say that the Blair fainthearts and media slurpers like Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee stabbed Corbz , and the BBC are way too biased to Mandelson etc…and we need to bin that TV License. I see it as leaving cheese in the mousetrap, always nice to see who bites. Wouild recommend it, much funnier than anything that the BBC dole out to us.
“To defeat your enemy, learn his song and sing it”…Persian proverb.
They are outside No 10. Lily Allen is there
‘As soon as she saw the protests unfolding left-winger Lily Allen Tweeted: ‘Running late, had to wait for babysitter and then it took me ages to find the right placard. #DowningStreet’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4589420/Protestors-demonstrate-against-Theresa-May.html
I don’t know if anyone else has linked this higher up, but why isn’t this man in the Cabinet?
Yes AS, I wish Rees Mogg was Prime Minister. I would trust him.
Another Question Time on BBC and yawn,yawn another three lefties versus two right wingers on the panel.
How predictable, how very dull.
I agree; but I’m not sure that he could be under our constitution, as he is a Roman Catholic.
I’m sure that religion* is no bar to being PM. You’re thinking about the Monarch who can’t be Catholic.
*A lthough an islamic shouldn’t be allowed to be PM!
An Islamic shouldn’t be in the bloody country, never mind Westminster, D.
yeah you have to be a closet muzzie
but legally there is no barrier
and bliar got rid of the must be a protestant clause
we all thought it was so a catholic could reign , now i aint so sure
I notice that Dimbleby didn’t mention Eton this time!
Lobbie ,
LOL !! He got really Mogginated last time !!! LOL !
Any excuse:
One of the all-time great TV moments!
That clip encapsulates so much about the smug leftie bias of DD, added to which his hypocrisy. The same could be said of beebistan in general.
‘Some people…’
BBC SOP.
‘I think you know what I am talking about…’
Ive just arrived back from picking my daughter up from University for her summer break…
When i arrived at her halls of residents she was sat with two girls and boy waiting for me. They were talking about the election and how upsetting and frightening it had all been, i asked them why.
They then should me emails they had received from other senior students . The email said ” it would be bad for them not to vote Labour and that on there ballot card was a number and through that number they could find out if they didnt vote for Labour ”
One email said all the things you read about Jeremy Corbyn and his terror connections were fake news..!!
Another email said ”NOT VOTING FOR LABOUR = CUNT”
My daughter said you dare not say if you didn’t support Labour for fear of being ostracised and bullied..
And yesterday senior students were coming round and making sure that they went and cast there vote. It seems very well organised and planned to me, i wonder by whom..!!!!!!!!!!!
This is disgraceful and unbelievable. I wonder how much this went on at other Universities.
No wonder the young vote was so high
Daffyd
I would have thought this was a matter for the police.
It’s quite appalling.
Wronged…
The emails dont look that formal to me, could be over zealous students ,im not sure, but definitely organised.
No point in pursuing it, may make it difficult for my daughter.
They also should me Facebook postings, very aggressive stuff from other students, and many of the posting are very ill informed ..
Heartbreaking to think that some youngsters are like this
I have to say, that anyone who is fooled and cowed into voting a particular way must be as thick as shit, so what are they doing in Yoonie?
Actually there is every point in pursing this further. Are we saying it’s ok to bully and intimidate others.
I don’t think that’s an option, Wronged, they would have known who had reported the emails and life would have been very difficult for them by the sound of it. It would be interesting to discover how the university faculty view these sort of threats and intimidation. How the hell are the students getting access to the voting slips anyway? Do they man the polling stations? If yes, that’s something that wants stopping tout de suite!
Theres is no way of knowing how anybody votes…your actual ballot paper just has the candidates on it,no number
I think it was over zealous first time voters trying bully boy tactics and thinking they were being clever..
Anyway, the election is done and dusted
The results in Canterbury, Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam (a Tory loss and two Lib Dem losses in university constituencies) now start to fit into a pattern. Thanks for this insight, Dafydd: this sort of personal testimony is vital in helping me join up the dots about what’s going on in Britain today … and it ain’t nice!
Students also get two polling cards as well, MSaB, one at their university and one at their registered address. Can’t be in two places at once, ……can they?
Can they use both for postal votes?
I’m afraid that’s not actually true. Ballot papers are numbered and, though governments have always denied that they are, or have been, individually identified, they certainly could be.
See the following:
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-1051,00.html
I asked why this was so years ago and the polling clerk looked a bit embarrased and said it was incase there was a recount. I told him it sounded like bullshit to me.
Actually every ballot paper has an unique serial number which can be used if fraud is suspected. Because of that serial number it is possible to see how an individual person voted but it is illegal to do so.
Students wouldn’t have access to the ballot paper as these are counted and then bagged up and deposited with the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery. They are kept for one year and one day after the election and no-one is allowed to access them unless the High Court say so.
If those senior students were trying to influence someone voting on the actual election day then that is a criminal offence and they should be reported.
Click to access List-of-electoral-offences.pdf
Yes, I agree. This is a very serious offence and needs investigation. Of course, as with the massive ‘banana republic’ frauds (as the judge put it in one case) nothing effective would be done, but even so…
I think that the Electoral Commision might be interested in what is going at some? universities, dafydd.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/
I should have scrolled up 🙁
I wish I could share your optimism, ToobiWan. We have had umpteen postal vote scandals and one or two ‘irregularities’ of other kinds and the Commission has sat on its hands.
Why, one might think its job was actually to prevent proper enforcement of the law. Only if you were a cynic, of course.
Do you mean they are similar to Ofcom in the way they handle compaints, GC?
Precisely!
Can OFCOM ban you from voting if you pester them to do their job, just to shut you down?
wronged / Daffyd: a matter for the POLICE? Don’t be silly, it’s only hate crime if it’s from the Right, haven’t you been sufficiently indoctrinated by al beebeera yet?
You are hereby sentenced to another 10 years of News-shite, that should sort you out.
”NOT VOTING FOR LABOUR = CUNT”
Education, education, education.
Pure class.
dafydd .. I agree … and in our area there were post voting parties being advertised with free beer at one of the local pubs … wonder who was paying for the free beer? I did consider going but felt I might just feel a bit left out ?? The lefties have done all this through social media … they know exactly how to bully and scare people .. these types are doing it on a daily basis.
Sensational! (Said as a Black Country Bloke!)
Doreen Tipton analysis the general erection.
I watched just 30 seconds of Question Time tonight whilst flicking through the channels. Dimblebore announced the last seat had just been declared and it was for Labour. The entire audience did a massive cheer – yet again another carefully selected audience by the BBC.
Tabs ,
Did Dimblebore try and calm them down ? LOL !
the daft tory cunts didnt take down the “so called bbc” when it had the chance
more fool them
Kaiser,
Well said. They are too stupid to realise what is happening. Idiots .
Kaiser, Grant
I remain of the opinion that May is a servant of the BBC who helped to put her in the job.
This should be a joke if it wasn’t for real.
Apparently a homeless man was arrested on ‘Legsby Avenue’ (yes that really is its name) for the crime of ‘carrying a sharpened pencil in the vicinity of a Mosque’.
No you did read read it right the first time, and not only was he arrested, but charged and dragged before the beak .
The charges were dropped by the prosecution before a scheduled trial and dismissed
Although the Police claimed he said he was going to stab someone with it he completely denies this.
“The court heard that police had been alerted about a possible incident near the mosque and a policewomen arrived on the scene and saw Jones pull a pencil out of his pocket.
He was alleged to have told her that he had it with him “so I can stab someone with it if I need to — I don’t mean you.”
But Jones claimed: “I haven’t said anything like that. The mosque thing’s not true. I haven’t threatened her. I have not threatened to stab.”
Prosecutor Andrew Vaughan told the court: “There is not enough evidence to show that he was the man at the mosque.”
Deputy district judge Philip Houlden said that the whole purpose of having a pencil was “surely that it should actually have a sharp point” so that it could be used properly.
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/homeless-man-arrested-near-grimsby-mosque-for-carrying-sharp-pencil/story-30368709-detail/story.html#I7ofpVbGHyvKSF7q.99
To paraphrase Kevin Strom.
“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticise? We all know who it is that we are not permitted to criticise. We all know who it is that it is a sin to criticise. Sodomy is no longer a sin in the UK. Treason, and burning and spitting and urinating on the Union Jack is no longer a sin in the UK. Gross desecration of Catholic or Protestant religious symbols is no longer a sin in the UK. Cop-killing is no longer a sin in the UK – it is celebrated in rap “music.” The degradation of beautiful young girls by disgusting grooming gangs is no longer a sin in the UK. The killing by the multiple millions of the next generation in the womb is no longer a sin in the UK. But offending Muslims is the ultimate sin in the UK. “
TW,
” But offending Muslims is the ultimate sin in the UK. “ – Prefer delete ‘offending’.
I just watched ” Question Time” on the election. Alistair Campbell’s last comment about the Daily Mail which he was
as usual going on about “was don’t buy it ” to the audience and us.All the Daily Mail is a POPULIST newspaper,it always has been. It has absolutely no morals, it just wants to reflect the opinions of the people who buy it. That is why in the thirties when
Mosley was becoming popular ,they supported him. If Hitler would of won the war there would of only been allowed one
newspaper in the country ” The Daily Mail Zeitung”
The Mail with the exception of Richard Littlejohn has been singing the praises of ” Mother Theresa” for months,
because they thought she was popular with middle England,maybe she was.BUT after her Election shambles , The Mail
now know that she is a lame duck. So to maintain their populist position they get PIERS MORGAN on line to basically call
her a useless c—. And that says everything you need to know about the Daily Mail.
Foscari,
I still cannot believe that Treezer has not resigned. Was this discussed on QT ?
Grant,
The Tories have to realise that no matter how they stick up for Treezer, they cannot possibly allow her to lead another election. So why not send her packing now?
They always seem to miss out that the Mail was not the only paper (briefly) supporting Moseley and his Fascist, but so did the Manchester Guardian, and thanks to revisionism although you’d never know it, most of the suffragettes as well.
Fascism is just another split of Socialism whether they like it or not and no matter how loudly they deny it.
So did the Daily Mirror….Only the Mail supported Moseley is “progressive” segregation..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/revealed-the-fascist-past-of-the-daily-mirror-77871.html
You are right Thoughtful.
In the 1920s, Fascism was “progressive”, it was seen as a muscular and virile sort of Socialism. Left wing loonies such as George Bernard Shaw were very impressed with il Duce. The Left have, of course, airbrushed that out of history. Fascism now is now “right wing” and v.v. bad.
Anglo-Saxon, linguistically, means the Angle version of Saxon. Fascism is a right-wing version of progressiveness. It is not conservatism. A progressive is anti-conservative. Fascists want revolutionary change. They esteem violence as a way of bringing it about. They are “right-wing” progressives because they see themselves as realists, just as the revolutionary communist Lenin attacked left-wing (or utopian) socialism.
Fascism (like so much that is bad in the modern world) comes from the French Revolution – it is a nationalist version of progressivism, in which what is deemed to be good or bad is determined on national rather than class lines. They want to create a society in which the collective will is supreme; by which I mean rule by the Party, not democracy.
Just asking Foscari, what paper WOULD you suggest reading ? The red tops are just comics for those with the attention span of a gnat or who cant read, the Times is starting to lean Left, forget the Guardian, the Express is more ads than content, and the Telegraph is ok if you’ve got a spare 3 days ! Oh yes, there is the ‘I’ but I’ve yet to figure that one out.
My 2p worth:
Read widely using the internet. Include lefty sources so you know what they’re up to. Get a book or two – Douglas Murray, Rod Liddle, Mark Steyn, maybe Ed West etc
Learn a bit about the past. Nothing is new.
Forget the BBC and SKY.
Question everything, disbelieve most of it.
Always trust your instincts. Always.
Try not to spend any money on papers – not worth it (that’s Yorkshire talking).
I agree Jo, though would like to add – watch Fox news where you can (find the website to be too left) for an alternative to MSM and a refreshing right of centre view. Also think it is important to check what the BBC are up to…I find it almost like an addiction and have been trying to avoid their website like the plague. I thought Sky were much better before the election. Sadly, I think a large part of the country still regard the BBC as the impartial, solid backbone of Britain that they claim to be. After their recent performance, you would think that someone in the government would be wanting to take action against them.
Haven’t heard much from Pat Condell recently.
Agree – you’re right about SKY and the BBC.
Don’t know what’s happened to Pat Condell. Perhaps he’s travelling or something. There’s always Paul Joseph Watson, if you don’t mind his style.
“I think a large part of the country still regard the BBC as the impartial, solid backbone of Britain”
That has not been true for years. They blew that reputation away when Maggie Thatcher was in power. The BBC was always full of Leftists but (as is their way) they have gradually cleared out anybody with an alternative view, and have consequently trashed the BBC’s reputation for impartiality.
Sadly, judging from my day to day contacts with people, I believe it is still true – however much we may wish it were not. What is true, in my experience, is that people are more sceptical about the BBC than they were, say, ten years ago but most do still seem to regard it as balanced. Of course, they are wrong.
@Loobyloo Pat Condell tweets everyday
..old time Labour support I think.
My brother (and family) hail from Yorkshire, and their war-cry is ….. “HOW MUCH ??????”
SCOTTISH TORY LEADER PLANS TO FORM SEPARATE PARTY: TELEGRAPH
Unsure as to how true this is!
Wronged ,
I think it just means a break from Tory Central Office or whatever they call it. Amazing that at this time of some crisis the effing politicians are more concerned with their own trivial house-keeping. What a bunch of effing pygmies . Wankers , the whole lot of them.
And , yes, I have just poured my second glass of Talisker.
Slainte !
Couldn’t agree more. Some have big ego’s and are self serving.
wronged,
These wasters and wankers do not live in the real world. Total assholes. I would except the Mogginator from that, but what chance has he ?
Apparently, the Scottish Unionist Party was independent of the Conservative Party until 1965, when that complete and utter twat Edward Heath insisted they be merged, no doubt as part of some sort of cack-handed piece of exciting 1960s modern managerial theory.
The upshot was that what had once been the biggest party in Scotland dwindled into almost nothing as it was seen (probably rightly) as an offshoot of an English party which was based in London and had nothing to say to Scotland.
Ruth Davidson has earned the right to run the Scottish party. If Scotland had not returned 13 Conservative MPs, a revolutionary Socialist would now be forming a government, and Britain would have taken its first step on the path to becoming the Venezuela of Europe.
“when that complete and utter twat Edward Heath insisted they be merged, no doubt as part of some sort of cack-handed piece of exciting 1960s modern managerial theory.”
Was there anything which that prize idiot did that was not a disaster? If the alternatives were him or the Labour Party in the Sixties and Seventies no wonder the UK went into a steep decline.
Worse was to come. When Maggie started to go a bit mad as part of her descent in her dotage, she insisted that the Community Charge (in overall terms a good idea) was trialled first in Scotland alone!
They might have got away with it but no-one with a good practical economic brain had thought through all the implications and the implementation trial took no account of widely varying individual circumstances. It was applied with heavy hand and backed by the Courts equally heavily.
Net result: ‘English’ (one Nation ie one Union) Conservatives were unwelcome in Scotland until recently, despite Scots being some of the most conservative (note the small ‘c’) people on earth.
‘…no doubt as part of some sort of cack-handed piece of exciting 1960s modern managerial theory.’ Thanks Rob that’s given me my first good laugh of the day!
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/873294948216561665
Page doesn’t exist?
Yob,
Stalin flag. Do these fuckers even know what Stalin did ? Or don’t they care ? They are going to eat a wimp like Corbyn
Have you not heard, Grant, it was all false news!
Toobi,
I have had a pretty rough day dealing with Africans ( don’t you just love them ? ) . Just told them all to eff off. Of course tomorrow will be different.
Your post just gave me smile of the day !
And your reply gave me my first, Grant, Just had a ‘phone call from “BT”, telling me, in an Asian voice reading from a script, that they were going to cut my ‘phone line off, I thought it might be because of accessing sites such as this 🙂 Then I asked him if I sounded less than 24 hours old and told him he didn’t work for BT, him being a thief and a liar instead. I asked him if his parents and family knew how he made a living and to finish off I told him I would put a curse on him which would kick in at midnight his time, so have a nice day. Judging by his unproffesional language, I don’t think he was a happy bunny when I had finished. 🙂
LOL
Brilliant. Link doesn’t work – have twitter censored it? I googled it instead. Kudos to that guy, although is it a hate crime…the boys in blue are probably already knocking on his door.
Prominently on the BBC website they say the Red Cross is urging people to go out and eat at restaurants in ‘a spirit of unity and resilience.’ This is on the same day that they are leading news bulletins with the fact that the attackers last week tried to hire a seven tonne truck but failed because their card was refused.
They still just do not get it, do they? What use is unity against a seven tonne f*cking truck? What has to happen for them to realise this snowflake ‘spirit’ is not only not going to help, but is actually reckless?
BB – Maybe thats it – a new campaign led by Brendan (I want to stay on telly Cox) to teach these Jihadis a real lesson. We could entitle it “SELF DELUSION AGAINST HATE”
Or we could all go and have a Nandos (not in Luton) to show them they have not won. I personally will be mounting my own resistance campaign against Jihad violence this morning by having a boiled egg with soldiers for breakfast and walking my dog on Rock beach near Padstow,
Remember everyone
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON AND DO SWEET FA, WHILE OUR SOCIETY IS SLOWLY DISMANTLED!
Talk about glorifying apathy!
When I read the article, it was as if the ghost of Churchill awakened.
“We shall appease on the shores! We shall appease in the courts! We shall always surrender!”
Did you hear they are increasing Police patrols around a mosque where – shock, horror – someone left some bacon! Yet another ‘hate’ crime!
Hate crime is thought crime and does not exist in free societies.
Churchill wouldn’t last 2 minutes in todays world of social media and the internet. It was the newspaper owners and the BBC responsible for the reverence he was given – the only mediums that the British public had access to in the war years – they didn’t know any different.
Just a reminder
Oh God,
Woke up and tried not to listen to Today but Al beeb is in full St Corbyn mode. If he has to wait for 5 years before the deluded fools vote the traiter in . He ll be 73 then .
You can feel that al beeb has become equally energised in its bias. Difficult listening .
Trying to work out who the next Tory leader will be – David Davies ?
With Tories current political savvy it will probably be Anna Soubry.
Oak ash,
Ha ha Davies is 3/1 and soubry – I think -is 100/1. I think soubry might cross the floor soon to the libs because there is no way she is a conservative
Oak, LOL.
Others on here think Jacob Rees-Mogg could be the one.
I am slightly uneasy with him because not only does he appear to be an arrogant, patrician-style Conservative (High Tory, actually) he is in reality rather like that. He knows what is best for everyone and being a full-on ‘representative politician’ is not for him. His own words on the Westminster Hour betray him as that.
However, I think he was a star of the EU Referendum campaign and on the Leave side. (As an aside, is it my anti-EU bias or would I be right in thinking there were no stars on the Remain side? Cannot think of any outstanding Remain campaigners.)
Secondly, people change, develop, grow over the course of time. As well as deteriorate. “Oh, hello Theresa and Jeremy. Didn’t see you standing behind me there.”
I think Jacob Rees Mogg, especially with a little coaching and ‘styling’, might just grow into the job. The key to winning both the Party leadership as well as winning over the country will be two-fold: economics and getting the UK out of the EU. On that last, I would add the adjective ‘fully’. We have evidence from this week how awful the EU has been for the UK and we need to be out.
Economics, and the taxation aspects of it, were largely missing from the Conservative manifesto and totally missing from their campaign. That is obviously a weak area for Theresa May and her office. Another reason why Hill and Timothy should go next week. It was where the attack should have been directed at Labour – not by dismissing the Labour Party and its proposals – but by pre-empting and proposing alternatives.
I’m very uneasy about the prospect of Boris Johnson as a Party leader. His weaknesses would at some time be his undoing as they outweigh, in my view, his obvious strengths. Johnson is weak on economics and tax. He is weak on promises, both in making them and getting them delivered. See his record as Mayor of London. The nation, we, would be reliant on his weaknesses, not his strengths. He however, like May, wants the PM job and probably has done all his life. His career was appearing to be over during most of last week. The electorate have now handed him on Thursday yet another chance.
Boris Johnson is ‘The Friday Man’.
The key to who will lead, as ever, lies in the Party itself. Who they feel can rescue them from this dreadful place. That may drive them toward Bojo.
Snuff it would be nice to see Gove or Leadsome – at least they never wavered from their commitment to Brexit unlike Bojo whom I trust no more than I trust May. It would also be nice to see IDS and Rees Mogg in senior positions. None of this of course will happen as May is now just as reliant on the support of remainers as she is the brexit portion of her party.
Just another sell out and fudge on its way – Bastards!
Gove as PM I could tolerate. It was said that at Education many of his Civil Servants loved him and even some of the teachers and their Unions started to respect what he was trying to do for the profession and, most of all, for the pupils.
I have a notion that he may have been set up by one or two mad keen Bojo supporters.
Gove, as Boris’s leadership campaign manager merely went to him to tell him the truth – he was unelectable because too many people in the Party knew what Boris was like in his previous jobs and would not support him against the other candidates. They probably said they would back him if he stood against May & Leadsom, so Gove did and was then made out to be a traitor by one or two of those putative supporters.
I could have that wrong but that’s my guess – shrewd or otherwise – at what happened.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
Next tory leader should be Boris J. – in fact the same person it would have been had Gove not tripped him up as he ran into the box to score.
God knows what the Tory vote would have been like had they not finally unleashed Boris on the hustings in the last few days of the campaign.
ss: “Next tory leader should be Boris J. – in fact the same person it would have been had Gove not tripped him up as he ran into the box to score.”
Beware! That, I think, is what the media said happened. That may not be the reality. Remember, Boris is ‘The Friday Man’.
“You can feel that al beeb has become equally energised in its bias.”
Yes, they smell blood don’t they? People in the media need to calm down and remember that, although May got it very badly wrong:
– She won the popular vote. Yes I know we don’t operate that way, but it was considered relevant for Clinton after the US presidential election, so make your minds up.
– If May was as bad as Corbyn claims, why didn’t he win? Remember Labour lost.
– Corbyn had to resort to a blatant bribe, and still didn’t win. The young will forget and disperse. Short attention spans.
– Does anyone seriously believe that Kensington is Labour?
– Nobody knows what Boris etc are thinking so don’t pretend that you do.
– Indications seem to be that Brussels wants to go ahead to avoid uncertainty, which is not good for them either. They might even be glad to be rid of us, at least in some respects. Suits me.
– Diane Abbott has gone away, for now, I think. (Perhaps because her migraine has not gone away.)
– Labour is very short of talent, although that could change. Would take time though.
– Immigration has not gone away.
– Terrorism has not gone away.
– Corbyn’s past has not gone away, although the young don’t seem to do “past”.
– Greece’s problems (and the other PIGS’) have not gone away.
– People who voted for Brexit in the referendum have not gone away, they are waiting and watching.
– Farage kept his powder dry, is not tainted by Westminster, and he has not gone away.
– The £1.7 trillion debt has certainly not gone away, people have just been allowed to forget about it. Big mistake.
– The LibDems, the most anti-Brexit party, have not enjoyed a resurgence. Clegg has gone away (but probably only as far as Broadcasting House).
Yes, it’s a mess, but we’ll get over it. As you point out, Corbyn is no spring chicken.
(I’d prefer David Davies, always did.)
Good post, Jo.
Good comments Jo.
My thinking is that the Tories won. Despite the most clueless, self-defeating, boring and crass campaign that has ever been carried out by a Government in my lifetime. Imagine now if the Conservative and Unionist party reclaim that UNIONIST word-and get stuck into the unions , backing Gerard Coyne as they once did the UDM etc.
And what if they made a concerted effort to turn Wales blue , so we`d have a UNITED Kingdom with four women leaders(I`m assuming the Welsh Tories will give us another woman).
I repeat-the Tories were shit and still won.
Labour got a free pass , magic money trees and coverups from the BBC…bribed the nations youngsters, scared them off to vote and threatened Tory/UKIP/Jewish students on campus. Had ALL nice media and progressive agencies on their side. And STILL they lost.
May is going nowhere-Islamic State and the Remoaners know this is their time to bring her down.
Don`t let them.
“I repeat-the Tories were shit and still won.”
Spot on.
Never understood the logic, promoted by some, of punishing the Conservatives for not being conservative enough by voting for an old Trot. You’re punishing yourself; doesn’t make sense.
Tactical voting aside, hold your nose and vote for the best party available, regardless of how inept it is.
Never underestimate the sheer unprincipled bigotry of the Left. The Labour supporter Armando Iannucci divided his time on Question Time last night praising the need for alliances between political parties (it is the progressive thing to do) and attacking the Conservatives for going into an alliance with the DUP.
Armando Iannucci did not spot the problem with his logic because in his mind people to the Right of him politically don’t really count as people.
Liz Truss for me – she likes pork!
Always dubious about entities who claim to be independent arbiters of fake news, but use Paul Mason as one of their champions…
https://opendemocracy.net/civicrm/contribute/transact%3Freset%3D1%2526id%3D19
The response to this is inevitable, but this looks worth following…
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/policy_regarding_disciplinary_ac
Just on a non partisan non bBBC point
Isn’t it amazing how often both parties manage to disregard the importance of personal likeability of the leader?
Not just May but Miliband, Brown, Duncan-Smith, Hague.
The winners, Blair, Cameron, even back to MacMillan so often have a certain affability and ease, content in their own skin.
There are exceptions, but in general I think this is the case.
I did’t really ‘like’ Margaret Thatcher.
But she oozed leadership, had a wicked sense of humour, cared about the country and didn’t give a flying rating for what the blob thought. Hence I respected her.
For May or Corbyn or Farron or the others, that is about zero out of four.
Unfortunately, snowflakes seem to attach more importance to “niceness” of the most superficial kind than effectiveness. 21st century disease.
One story about Thatcher that impressed me was when a member of the catering staff at No 10 dropped a tureen of soup (or something) in front of a roomful of guests. Her first reaction was to comfort the horrified young girl, not apologise to her guests. Not the reaction of a monster.
I didn’t like Cameron but liked Hague. Also liked Heath (was to be a complete disaster) in comparison to Wilson. I liked Major but he was also a disaster.
Our present mess is down to those last three. If Heath or Wilson had done the decent thing and asked the electorate via a Referendum whether they wished to enter the EEC, and Major had asked us to re-confirm whether we wished to be in the EU, we would be in a far better place right now. Even if the electorate had said ‘Yes’ to both, the principle would have been established that a major Treaty change has to be acceptable on a straight Yes or No vote, before the UK accedes.
No ifs, no buts, no demonstrating as losers that ‘it isn’t fair, we don’t want it’.
Now let us talk about Brand.
Unlike many of my marketing colleagues I have always believed that Brand, and Brand position, is ultimately the gift of the customer/ consumer. As a business, you can aspire to a Brand but you have to deliver and execute your product or service to that brand. I mean, consider BA and Emirates these days. They aspire to do the same thing, but the difference in delivery is gaping.
Now consider May. The intended brand was strong and stable. The delivered brand was fragile, brittle and rabbit-in-the -headlights.
Now consider Corbyn. The intended and delivered brand were closely matched. He may be barking, but he is consistent.
The May Brand discontinuity caused a certain number of people discomfort and so to reflect. Some of them changed their vote as a result. The result is obvious.
Just one of several spectacular own goals.
Very interesting, Sluff! I’d like to hear your views on the BBC brand as well.
GC.
A good clue to this is to look at the adverts carried on BBC World overseas, (so much for the abhorence of adverts btw) which are quite upmarket.
So my summary of the brand is ‘ smooth, professional, articulate, high quality presentation of entertainment, information, and education content from a middle class socialist perspective’
Thank you, Sluff.
Sluff, good post. Prior to ‘Strong and Stable’ the brand was ‘Fairness’ and ‘Help for the Struggler and JAMs’, btw.
Apparently that did not extend to her own Party colleagues and Civil Servants other than Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. Fascinating last half-hour on the TOADY Programme this morning. Very revealing. Or confirming. We suspected there was a problem somewhere. It is now fully confirmed.
If Theresa May wants to survive as long as the end of the Party Conference in September she will have to sack Timothy and Hill next week. If they stay, she is already washed up wreckage and will disappear on an outgoing tide, sometime soon.
I note your last sentence but don’t forget the obvious bribery, er, incentives from Corbyn’s and McDonnell’s manifesto. The parallels with February 1974 are interesting and were also highlighted on TOADY. That had an effect, particular in the seats won or lost by or to a student vote.
And of course, up2, changing the intended brand every 5 minutes shows a complete lack of credibility.
You see it in business all the time. A new CEO brings in a new mission statement and ‘brand reposition’ but without really understanding the business.
The workforce (which in my book is everyone from the shop floor to senior site, sales, and ops managers) see the difference between the actual delivery and the ‘new brand’ and the lack of credibility is corrosive. Wthether deliberately or subliminally they don’t therefore support the new leadership, who thus fail to deliver their targets and are gone in about 3 years, the business thus having made little progress in the meantime.
Sluff, excellent point.
Cameron! All the time.
All I can remember right now is The Big Society but there seemed to be hundreds of rebrandings or, more correctly, puff points.
I could write loads about May’s start as PM but I need some sun on my back and the garden needs work. Maybe later. It’s a glorious day weather wise.
We had one communication from our Tory MP.
A flyer that had him and her on the front, headlined ‘I stand with Theresa May’.
Not a great message.
Luckily the Labour candidate, an ex teacher, shared a letter written by her daughter (and mother herself), that made one feel sorry for any poor sod who was taught in her classes.
The Green Yummie mummy imploded, the Lib Dem could only talk about ‘fighting’ but was vague on how, the Independent made an orchard out of the money tree, and UKIP didn’t bother.
So relatively speaking, the May brand stunk about the least. And that is how the election worked out.
I see the Daily Mirror has ‘done a Sun’ in full McKenzie-style and alienated half its Northern Ireland readership this morning.
It has been interesting to observe how the Mirror suddenly woke up, a little way into Corbyn’s time as Labour leader, and rediscovered its Labour roots. It is becoming quite militant. I think it is engaged in a survival war with the Guardian on one side and the aforementioned Sun on the other.
I wonder if they will miss the sales from Ulster?
Well that’s a fine old mess the Tories have gotten themselves into, and UKIP nowhere to be seen for the forseeable future.
Given that about half the country could even think to vote Labour – and the BBC, msm and the entire public sector machine continues to encourage them I propose the following solution.
We need a new old-school right wing party (anti-immigration, fiscally conservative, law & order, anti-welfare etc), but this time it’s led by black, gay woman! No old white dudes to be seen in her cabinet either. Ruth Davidson is doing ok but not quite ticking enough boxes imo.
Think of it, that party would be publicly untouchable. No more automatic booing on Question Time, middle class lefties would have a bad attack of cognitive dissonance, Momentum and Hope Not Hate would just look like the fascists they are..
As the world starts to resemble something out of Alice in Wonderland I’m sure madder things could happen 🙂
Now, the time elapsed since the results, a little reflection. With all their high-powered personnel, many from top level jobs in industry, it is utterly incomprehensible to me, the Conservative level of naivety throughout this election debacle. As for very basic common sense, my father, (ex-WO2) had an expression in respect of that commodity in very short supply – “If you haven’t got it there, (pointing to head) no ones going to put it there”.
The problem there is the ‘top level jobs’. Sadly, business is suffering just as badly as the law, politics, medicine and other endeavours.
Just because someone rises to the top of a company which she or he doesn’t own, does not imply competence in managing that business. The current generation of ‘CEO’s do not start and build businesses, they are like parasites, gnawing away at the woodwork, hoping they will have moved on to fresh material when the house eventually collapses.
So much of this post-election comment is just media tarts getting soundbites from sheep who only find a voice when it`s safe to bleat once more. Pathetic eunuchs.
Only a few weeks ago the Tory backers in the media were saying that May had pulled a master stroke in going to the country, Corbyn a loser, five more years.
Of course she made grievous errors-but I though we liked a gambler. And with her “safe pair of hands” reputation , a united party and nicking ideas from the left? Why , she was playing a blinder.
Selfsame experts three weeks on now want her toasted. But refuse to say what THEY were counting on, and being so expert about.
No, May has plenty work to do to right the wrongs and regain trust. But with Arlene and Ruth with two UNIONIST parties to help her, we should be OK.
A tri-cornered matronly hat, women in power and a female troika I for one can support.
If only we had a decent Welsh woman Tory to complete the set…bit late for Dame Shirley, Cerys a bit of a liberal and Charlotte has got the money and brass neck but a bit too much of a hypocrite to get into the Tory Party these days. Andrea Jenkins is it?
How come Chris Leslie gets a Red Button item on the BBC telling the nation that Corbyn didn`t win?…
Is that NEWS to the thick Left?
It`s not to the nation, but there you go.
This Tory panic used to be done elsewhere, this is hardly Coventy Cathedral is it?
AS: “So much of this post-election comment is just media tarts getting soundbites from sheep who only find a voice when it`s safe to bleat once more. Pathetic eunuchs.”
Who, me?
🙂
As so often, the beebistan’s bias lies even more in what it doesn’t say, as pointed out by Stephen Glover in today’s DM.
Extracts below:
Why did the all-powerful BBC refuse to tell the truth about Mr Corbyn?
“Theresa May surely has only herself to blame for the Tories’ appalling performance on Thursday…
But there is another group of people who certainly made a contribution to the outcome and should be hanging their heads in shame this morning. I am speaking of the BBC.
Our national broadcaster accounts for about 50 per cent of news output in this country via its multiple television, radio and web outlets. It is immeasurably more influential than any other news channel or newspaper. That is why it is so important it fulfils its sacred duty to invigilate politicians without fear or favour.” [ha ha ha]
“In the case of Jeremy Corbyn, it failed miserably over the past few weeks. This was rather surprising because during the Labour leadership contests in 2015 and 2016, the BBC was almost eager to expose his obvious shortcomings and unsavoury political liaisons. Having been admirably forensic then, Auntie was laughably indulgent over the past few weeks.
Let me put my complaint another way. How many of the nearly 13 million people who voted Labour are aware that Jeremy Corbyn has a track record as an associate of Middle Eastern terrorists and IRA killers?
How many of them know that in 1984 this lifelong friend of Irish Republicans asked two former IRA convicts to speak in the House of Commons, a fortnight after the IRA had tried to blow up Margaret Thatcher and the Cabinet, killing five people in the process?
And what proportion realise that as recently as 2009 Corbyn described the terrorists of both Hezbollah and Hamas as his ‘friends’ as he hosted an event on their behalf?
Or that his closest ally, the self-proclaimed Marxist Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, has called for MI5 and armed police to be abolished, while saying that the IRA murderers of men, women, children, British servicemen and police officers should be ‘honoured’.
My own straw poll of decent acquaintances who voted for Corbyn suggests that very few of them have the faintest notion of the disreputable causes he has espoused. If they have any idea at all, they are liable to blame Tory scaremongering.
Ours is not a country of extremists. I find it hard to believe that so many millions of law-abiding people would have voted Labour if they had been properly apprised of just how far-out Corbyn and his coterie really are.
That there is such widespread ignorance of what the Labour leader has got up to over the years — the terrorists he has succoured and the bloody hands he has shaken — must in large measure be attributed to the journalistic failures of the all-powerful BBC.
Look at what happened after last Saturday’s terrorist attack on London Bridge. Corbyn immediately blamed the outrage on police cuts, even though armed police took just eight minutes to arrive on the scene and despatch the three murderers in the most effective way.
As Sir Richard Dearlove, a former head of MI6, noted in a piece in Thursday’s Daily Telegraph that Corbyn’s response was ‘nakedly political’.
Sir Richard — who is no Tory stooge — wrote that ‘if you ask professionals in the police, they would recognise that creating 10,000 jobs for community policing won’t have the slightest effect on the problem of Islamic terrorism’. He also suggested that Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘links with those quite ready to use terror’ would mean he wouldn’t be cleared to join any of the country’s security services. In fact, in the past ‘MI5 would actively have investigated him’.
If only Sir Richard’s chilling article had appeared a few days earlier it might have opened the eyes of some of the idealistic young people who voted for Corbyn. But I don’t suppose the BBC would have given it wider circulation, so bizarrely anxious has it been to protect the Labour leader from examination.
In the days following the terrorist outrage a week ago, almost every BBC bulletin took seriously Corbyn’s absurd allegation that Tory cuts were to blame. His own utter unsuitability for office — as a virtual accomplice of terrorists — was scarcely mentioned.
Nor, while the shamelessly devious Labour leader was extolling the police and promising them more money, did any BBC interviewer ask him or any of his colleagues why his local Labour Party office in the Seventies put a poster in its window depicting policemen as pigs wearing helmets.
No questions were forthcoming about why this fervent admirer of bobbies should have been a founder of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory, whose manifesto before the 1983 general election declared that ‘the capitalist police are an enemy of the working class’.
I’m afraid the often somnolent Tories have been somewhat lumbering in making the point that under the skin of this seemingly cuddly and apparently inoffensive grandfatherly figure lurks a man who has devoted his life to undemocratic causes that would shock most British people — if only they knew.
But when Boris Johnson tried to argue along these lines on the Today programme on Tuesday morning — criticising Jeremy Corbyn for his consistent refusal to back counter-terrorist measures — the interviewer, Mishal Husain, repeatedly interrupted him. She insisted she would ‘set the record straight’ and repeated Corbyn’s pious remarks following the London Bridge attack as though she were his official spokesman.
Boris then reasonably questioned the ability of Diane Abbott (another apologist for terror, who adds incompetence to her list of sins) to deal with a major attack. Mishal Husain shut him up. ‘No, no, please stop talking.’
This, for me, was one of the lowest points of a dispiriting campaign. A leading politician trying to show the dangers of voting Labour is censored by a politically correct BBC journalist who doesn’t want people to hear.
Had they been allowed to know the full truth about Jeremy Corbyn, many idealistic young people might have had second thoughts. They might have realised that the young murdered in the London Bridge attack were not victims of police cuts, and that Corbyn is one of the last politicians on earth likely to be tough with the terrorists who killed them.
Why should the BBC have afforded Corbyn and the sinister McDonnell (not to mention the idiotic Diane Abbott) such latitude? Most of its journalists surely can’t sympathise with his hard-Left policies.
No, I believe they were given an easy time because many BBC employees can’t stomach Theresa May’s robust approach to Brexit. They thought that, if elected, Labour would negotiate a much softer break with the EU.
Of course, it’s not the job of the BBC to take sides in elections. But it is its responsibility to defend the values of democracy and help the public ascertain whether candidates for high office respect those values.
Does Jeremy Corbyn? The BBC, on which we so depend, has given him a free ride and today he is one step closer to power. If our national broadcaster continues to pander to him, it won’t be long before he’s in No 10. And then God help us all — including the BBC, which, irony of ironies, the Corbynistas hate.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4590454/Why-did-BBC-refuse-tell-truth-Corbyn.html
Charlie ,
Sadly I don’t think the people who voted Labour realise what Corbyn and his creatures are. They decided to ignore Abbot , Nugee and McDonald and concentrate on some weird personality cult .
A Corbyn government would be gone in a year but what damage he could do .
Excellent post, Charlie.
One problem is that ‘the young’ don’t read newspapers or watch TV. Their smart phones are the agents of indoctrination via facebook, twitter etc.
Another thought that is occupying me is that the Labour Party should not see the election result as any kind of victory since they will be changed for the worse by Corbyn and his cronies. They need to get rid of him more then ever.
Just completing my braindumping for the morning.
A little anecdote.
Recently, a friend failed to show up at a pre-arranged country walk. A second friend (a reader but not contributor to this website) did so. After the event the second friend, commenting on the first friend’s non-appearance, sent me the following email. Quote
“Pity ….(name deleted)…… was weak and wobbly on the day and not strong and stable as advertised..Hard working families up and down the country might smell a U-turn here”.
The date of the above email was 30th May !!!
If people like us could see it, why could not Tory High Command?
Jezza and his pals at the beebistan seem to think they won!
No Jezza you lost, by a margin, despite the beeb’s best efforts.
As a small break from our routine indictments of the BBC, spare a thought, please, for all the refugees who have fled to Classic FM, unable to take any longer the relentless diet of leftsim .
They (all right, ‘we’) have just had to endure a ‘Global newsroom’ outburst at 11am in which the main story appeared to be ‘fears’ of the DUP’s position on ‘gay marriage’ as explained by some socialist hack from the party that lost the election, followed by an interview with the alcoholic pornographer (and Bliar’s personal Goebbels) Alastair Campbell, whose opinions about Treezer May we were supposed to find interesting and in some way relevant. They are, of course, neither.
When we’ve burned the BBC’s newsroom to the ground and danced in the ashes, can we turn to Global’s next, please?
Gave me a really good chuckle, GC, that last line although one word higher up got my eyes out on stalks. Ta.
There’s no stopping the bBC with its political agenda:
Pounce
Ho ho. You know I think Treezer ought to take this advice. People have to realize that Labour is run by Trots, and Trots inevitably split and turn against each other, and their hostility is permanent and destructive. A Labour Government would implode and the party would make the current Tory shambles look like a love in.
GWF, I did wonder whether Theresa May could call another EU Referendum and then go back to the Palace, resign and nominate Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party to seek to form a Government.
Polls are unreliable, as we have seen again this week, but one claimed recently that 68% of the UK now wants out of the EU.
There would be a massive fight over the Ref questions but you cannot go much beyond, IN, IN PARTIALLY and OUT. Best of two out of three to win.
Up2snuff
Good idea Have to run it by Gina Miller to see if she will allow it
Not BBC, but I have just been in a chat room with some young Gambians who are taking an interest in the British election. I posed the question ” What do you think of politicians, generally, as people ? “. I think the best answer came from Fattiz Bojang (24 ) who is intellegent, but her english is a bit “patois “.
” Dey tink dey kno everyting, but dey don’t kno nuffin ”
I think I have just identified our next PM !
Sounds more like a budding shadow home secratary to me, Grant.
Toobi ,
LOL ! Please do not insult the young lady. She might go to the “ju-ju” man to cast a spell on you !
Give me the ju ju man’s address incase I get any more calls from “BT”, Grant.
Toobi,
LOL ! British Tossers. Don’t you just love them ? I once had a talk with a devout Imam in Gambia about God. I was pressing the point that there is no evidence of God’s existence . He was getting more and more frustrated. At last I said ” Ok, if God exists, give me his mobile number and I shall call him “.
Needless to say, I just got a BT answering message. ” God is not here just now, please leave your name and number and he will call you back ” . I am still waiting for that call.
Out golfing with Satan and Mo, Grant.
What a bunch of arrogant gits. ‘Have a go’! Like a ride on a swing! This is messing with people’s lives. Like the left in the USA, they have smelt blood and will not let go of the rabbit/fox.
‘Let us have a go…go on…oh, go on…huh, alright then, I’m NOT PLAYING!’
This looks to me like the construction of a narrative going on – that neither party won but somehow the Conservatives grabbed their way into power and deprived the reall winners (Labour) of their rightful inheritance, like an evil Tory kicking a helpless old lady into the snow and stealing her pension.
As Doreen Tipton, online commentator from the Black Country’s Yam Yam Party put it: ‘Jeremy Corbyn come second, and ‘im won. Teresa May come fust, but ‘er lost!’
Newsshite and the Today programme seem to be getting very excited about Steptoe’s “New Dawn”
As you would expect, they are directing their attention to undermining the DUP/tory arrangement
Newsshite yesterday seemed to spend a lot of time quering some Sinn Fein thug as to why his party wouldn’t take up their seats at Westminster. This would of course be the answer to BBC prayers.
The Today indoctrination unit was also trying to denigrate the DUP. Apparently, they are the embodiment of evil. One of their heinous crimes against humanity is wanting to fly the Union Jack over a part of Britain. The black flag of Islam flying over parts of England causes no concern however.
The Today programme also seem to have been poking around in the depths of the leftist cesspool and allowed Tariq Ali, like a gas-filled turd, to float up to the surface for further media attention.
“Diversity is unity”, “Defeat is victory”, “Weakness is strength”.
I greatly enjoyed watching the winsome Isabel Oakshotte, repeatedly putting the repellant Smarmy Chipbuttie to the (intellectual) sword on QT last night. It was just unfortunate that the Conservative on the panel was the ineffective Chris Grayling, who didn’t really provide her with any supporting fire.
Alistair Campbell seems to get more demented with every TV appearance and Isabel managed to get some good jabs in to that lying c**t too.
And she’s a right bonny lass as well.
“the ineffective Chris Grayling”
Grayling has got a lot to answer for in more ways than one.
Excellent post, CM.
DS: Think it was a DMail article, but nevertheless well spotted by CM.
We are in a difficult and very critical place as a nation. A Day of Prayer called for tomorrow.
What? By Theresa?
No, I doubt she will do that. (I don’t think it would be politically wise right now. More on that later, perhaps.)
I’ll step up to the plate, though, on here.
It wasn’t me gov says author of instruction.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/10/british-muslims-urged-to-vote-labour-to-further-islamic-interests/#disqus_thread
Election result – it could have been worse
Only things missing from the rainbow are Zippy and Bungle, GWF.
As an aside, did you know that purple doesn’t exist, it’s imaginary,
http://scientificbritain.com/post/44136284657/purple-or-more-accurately-magenta-doesnt-exist
I suspect that line-up of gits only have compassion (or misplaced altruism) for anyone who hates the indigenous British.
Pro Sustainability & Pro Environment cuts out Corbyn and Lucas/Birtley.
Compassion? Pro NHS, Pro Education. Sturgeon doesn’t seem to fit. Wood probably not either.
That leaves Tim.
C’mon Tim!
Job’s yours.
Eeeeeek!
Actually, he might be OK.