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  1. Moodswing6 says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:13 am

    I woke at around 2am and clicked on WS. It was still about the fire. I knew this without it being mentioned. I was then told about the incredible support coming from around the nation. Specifically Seikhs, Hindus, Muslims and the words ‘This diverse culture’. I don’t recall white people being included or words like Christian or Jew. I think they might have mentioned people driving from Wales but not mentioned as Welsh.

    The help and generosity of people when this happens is a fine example of human behaviour and if we are living in a diverse culture as is force fed to us every moment of every day by the CBB, why must they break down the help being given into followers of specific faiths instead of just ‘PEOPLE from around the nation.

    Everythibg is being done to make the authorities seem negligent and accountable. This may well prove to be true but despite the tragedy and loss of life, it’s obvious that people can smell money to be made. The SJW will already be on the case and the lawyers I’m sure can’t wait. Fairness and compensation and a proper investigation are all essential but as always the more left of the line you stand the more you will expect the system to pay. It would be interesting to know how many residents have personal contents insurance.

    I live in a Tower too and it was made very clear that I was responsible for my personal belongings. Just going on my observations I can say that I doubt more than a few souls if any at all have given a thought about fire and the life threatening hazards. (I admit I haven’t.) The building is strict about things being left in corridors and it’s kept immaculate as possible because of a very dedicated cleaner, not in any way due to the residents having pride in their building or appreciating that they are living in W2. Wee in the lift, spilled groceries just left, cigarettes being smoked in lift foyer and stamped out on the floor, take away food containers dropped wherever they feel like it, garbage shute continually blocked by ignorant lazy residents. It will be interesting to see what transpires. If, as some residents have stated that they have tried to warn about the dangers, lets wait and see. Or will the CBB decide for us? I know when approaching my estate office they couldn’t have cared less. It was as if I was the problem. However. I wish the CBB would stop trying to sensationalise the tragedy and be so desperate to point fingers. It seems that something very wrong has happened since the refurbishment for the fire to have spread so quickly but I’m yet to hear if personal negligence is also partly to blame and whether a better personal response could have contained the fire.

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  2. Beeb Brother says:
    June 15, 2017 at 6:13 am

    Radio 4 reports on how an Islamic centre was helping people who had been in the fire. Isn’t that fantastic? Never mind the three terror attacks which nobody in the community knew anything whatsoever about – someone has given some food to people whose house has just burned down! You know what? I think everything is going to be ok.

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    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 8:17 am

      The Jihab can hinder fire escapes – be careful where you wear one, this was recently in 2002.

      Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls(15) from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
      According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islam.
      One witness said he saw three policemen “beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya”.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm [15 March, 2002, 12:19 GMT]

      “Lives could have been saved had they not been stopped by members of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice,”.

      Where is the rage? Where is the hate of this hideous thinking? Am I not allowed to HATE the ridiculous?

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  3. AsISeeIt says:
    June 15, 2017 at 7:35 am

    So the BBC appear to have already written the script for this one. BBC politics man the nerdy and gawky Chris Mason reveals their source, inspiration and muse – Jeremy Corbyn. The saintly Corbyn has confidently blamed local government cutbacks for the blaze in London yesterday. And this is catnip for BBC journos – who, like Corbyn, cannot imagine any aspect of life that would not be enhanced by lashings more tax and spend. The embers may still smolder but the BBC has already found Tory cuts guilty as charged. Lightweight prettyboy bag carrier for Katy Kay and ardent President Macron fanboy Christian Fraser was happily riffing on the theme with a local Labour MP last evening.

    Now welcome to our BBC TV news Professor Kurt Barling. That’s Professor. Professor Kurt is an old friend of the BBC and apart from great emphasis on his Prof-ship he is introduced as being an expert on a supposedly similar fire in south London recently. Unfortunately although the viewer may have expected to hear some interesting and constructive insights and parallels all we got was emoting and an incontinent rant from the Prof. No technical details at all.

    Perhaps we ought not to have been surprised, our Kurt is Professor – not of Fire Safety or of Tall Building Construction – but of…. wait for it… Journalism

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  4. Oaknash says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:10 am

    BB – I too was mightily assured to hear that ISLAMIC Aid (or was it International ISLAMIC Rescue) had landed at Grenfell Towers, handing out water bottles etc. I suppose Allah takes with one hand and then gives with another.

    Whilst I have no particular reason/evidence to doubt the motivations of Sultan Ahmed (or whatever his name was) what I find so nauseating is the emphasis that the BBC always puts on these sort of stories. I call it PC product placement the product this time being showing Islam in a positive light after all these knifing s, bombs and runnings over.
    And the unspoken agenda that us whiteys should all be ashamed of ourselves as Islam is really all about handing out bottles of water not violence, sexual depravity, oppression of women/gays etc. Maybe Sultan should go up to Rotherham or Manchester or Coptic churches in Egypt and hand out some bottles of water there too.
    Lets talk about Islam handing out water rather than the rather nasty writings of Mohammad and what many of his followers do in his name.
    Nothing to do with Islam!

    The word pathetic does not do the BBC justice it is about as subtle as a turd in a swimming pool. The next PC product placement has to be making the next Dr Who as a muslim (we should call it Dr Ramadan).

    However since this once iconic programme has deteriorated into a PC shite fest anyway I will be little concerned by this and just see it as another step by the BBC into the sewer of lies where it belongs.

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    • embolden says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:07 am

      Islamic aid operations were a front for the Muslim brothers in Egypt in the 90s after they went underground following the assassination of Sadat.

      The game was and is to demonstrate to muslims that they can only trust other muslims in times of need.
      This tactic wins loyalty to islam and drains loyalty from the secular state.

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      • BRISSLES says:
        June 15, 2017 at 9:39 am

        I wonder how many very wealthy Muslims in the area will open their doors to accommodate their fellow believers. We are told that ’emergency accommodation’ will be found. In Kensington ????? Cue for private landlords to cash in – and the likelihood of them being white indigenous is extremely slim.

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  5. chrisH says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:15 am

    The beauty of this kind of story is that we get a few days off.
    Like Leveson, Paris Climate Crap and Trumps Russians.
    Been giving me time to read all about the Heath era.
    Corbyn is just a political virginal version of Tony Benn.
    The Lefts Holy Fool, untainted by any historical baggage. At least Benn had pissed loads on taxpayers money into workers co-ops, fought endless wars with Jenkins and Healey, Callaghan, Castle and Wilson(lost them all , but he gave us the SDP, so ta Tony!). He`d also spent years trying to get the Queens head off our stamps-this is the Left for you. Always was, always will be.
    This one requires a Change.org petition…tell them it`s never been done before, and why do we have to pay for stamps anyway…isn`t that the States job now?

    But Corbyn-don`t even think he TRIED to get the Queens head off our stamps…too much effort, too radical, not enough imagination even to run up this puff of stuff!
    ” I`ve both met and spoken with Tony Benn…and you Comrade Corbyn…are no Tony Benn, sir!”
    Now got to develop that Southern drawl, off to Devon to practice it!
    Hell-even Dan Quayle is a political colossus compared to THIS crop of flops!
    Corbyn-the Euroland version of Tony Benn!
    Not yet good enough for the Poundland one, but let`s see!

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    • Beltane says:
      June 15, 2017 at 8:28 am

      Benn’s ability to champion the working man was helped no end by the Jersey-based family trust, along with his better than comfortably orf American lady wife. Liked his Dunhill tobacco in those bonfire pipes of his, too.

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      • chrisH says:
        June 15, 2017 at 8:31 am

        Did measure his tea consumption in gallons though!
        Noe of that metric crap.
        Viscount Stansgate, Lady Nugee, Lady Brooke?…the Toffs party huh?

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  6. Thoughtful says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Tim Farron has announced his resignation as leader of the Liberals, and to be honest I can’t say I’m sorry to see the back of a man with ideas so strange that they seem completely alien.

    He has said that it was the questions which were asked over his Christian beliefs and whether he believed homosexuality was a sin.
    Funny how those sanctimonious prigs at the BBC don’t extend their so call equality agenda to Muslim MPs and ministers and ask people like Sadiq Khan his beliefs.

    Just another appalling example of the double standards in the very left wing media today.

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    • chrisH says:
      June 15, 2017 at 8:28 am

      The Liberals have just lost their next Mark Oaten. They could have had their Dan Quayle had they shown their nerve.
      Well done The Fish Finger Party for their very first filleting of a political giant.
      Reckon the Jo Choke Commemorations this weekend all became too much.
      Jo Swanson for next leader!
      Disability vote assured, looks good in uniform.
      Vote Joe!
      PS-has ANY Tim ever achieved anything? Seems a choker name to me!

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  7. Thoughtful says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:17 am

    More Islamophillia this morning about the Muslims who travelled across London (allegedly) to give aid to the people of the Tower Block.

    What isn’t mentioned is the number of their fellow Muslims who lived in that block, and whether they would have done this if the people trapped had all been the Khuffar.

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  8. Beltane says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:22 am

    Our Naga in full Sofa-Saint mode this morning, sensing credit for the blood of Gavin Barwell who, as we all know, is an unspeakably rich and morally repugnant Tory, personally responsible for the fire. Totally disinterested in informed opinion which stressed that the situation transcended current government, going back for ‘at least three’ which puts decision making firmly in Blair and Brown’s trousers. Still, no ‘news’ there, eh?

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  9. chrisH says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:24 am

    For those of you out there, who felt that Jo Cox barbecue weekend has got off to a bad start in West London?
    Practice makes perfect, am sure they`ll be safe for you to go to all over this weekend, as long as you stay out of Labour Councils old housing stock…higher floors especially.
    But I digress.
    Next week will be INDEPENDENCE DAY..St Nigels Day.
    Save your lighter fuel, ban all barbecues this weekend, so we can “learn the lessons”.
    Should be all sorted for the 23rd June, we can`t let the smokers brigade beat us now can we?
    DO tell us here at the BBC what YOU will be doing for St Nigels Day, Independence day next Friday.
    I`m sending that Trump Farage picture to all I know with the Greeting on the front….anybody here able to do us all one to send out?
    See-that Joyce Grenfell tribute yesterday reminded me of what a PROPER community barbecue requires-village green, Bombadier ale and a candle lit vigil with Nigel and Donald, glowing golden as the sun goes down.

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  10. Guest Who says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:47 am

    Looks like Jon Snow is now in similar company..

    https://twitter.com/trobinsonnewera/status/874929298393772033

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  11. embolden says:
    June 15, 2017 at 8:58 am

    Simon Hughes on the Today programme saying that it was unfortunate that Tim Farron felt unable to reconcile his Christian faith with leading a `progressive liberal party` made the astonishing comment that “it was the same for people of any faith”.

    So patently and laughably untrue as to be risible.

    No muslim politician is ever asked about sharia law, abortion or homosexuality, in the way that Farron was until he was made to recant in special interview.

    Those videos on line of Hughes greeting muslim audiences with “a salaam aleikum” show us clearly that Hughes is exceptionally slippery and untrustworthy in his relationship with “faiths”.

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  12. 7Clubs says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:00 am

    Tony Benn whatever his flaws did keep a diary (always a sign of an open mind) and had friends on the opposite side of politics like Enoch Powell.Benn was not a totalitarian.He went more out to the left as he got older I suspect partly because he noticed that there was an audience out there for a prominent hard left politician but also he noticed how lazy and incompetent a lot of the establishment in authority are in Britain and if he was still alive the May govt would be confirming that viewpoint in droves

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  13. EnglandExpects says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:04 am

    I try to avoid the Today Programme because it’s bias has become beyond parody, however it seems that an interview with Katie Hopkins was tolerated, and this morning I caught the rejoinder. Ian Hislop was wheeled out to ridicule all who oppose mass immigration. His approach is simply pathetic but apparently it’s worthy of a TV programme next week. He compares the current invasion of Britain by the Third World to late nineteenth century Britain when 100,000 Eastern European Jews fled Russian persecution and for some decades lived in the East End before rising in the world and heading Golders Green and Hampstead way. Yes, this caused some resentment at the time but how you can compare it to the millions of Muslims taking over swathes of urban Britain is a mystery to me. In addition I do not see assimilation occurring , I do not recall Jews blowing up or knifing white Britons or scheming to turn Britain into a state ruled by their religion and law.

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    • Charlie Martel says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:12 am

      Hislop has sold his soul for a mess of bbc pottage. Sad.

      But that’s what you get for hanging out with beeboids. It’s contagious. Like ringworm.

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    • Cranmer says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:51 am

      The Jews who came to Britain in the late nineteenth century also made considerable efforts to assimilate. Synagogues of that time were designed to look like churches, rabbis took the title ‘reverend’ and psalms were chanted in services in a similar way to the Church of England. I have Jewish friends who stress their allegiance to the Crown and British law, not the state of Israel or Jewish religious law. In fact, Jewish assimilation has been so ‘successful’ that the numbers of practising (as opposed to nominal) Jews is quite small now, around 300,000 if that.

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    • Pounce says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:58 am

      Funny you should mention the so called magnanimous nature of Islam
      The German version of the MCB has stated that it will not take part in a Muslim Peace March on Saturday

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    • ID says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:23 am

      I didn’t hear Hislop’s full evacuation, but his mentioning the “Victorian open door policy” on immigration did remind me of the Victorian policy of turning a blind eye to Russian anarchists or terrorists, so creating a “Londongrad”. The same willingness to turn a blind eye to mustim terrorists a hundred years later created “Londonistan”.
      The first bank robbery ever perpetrated in Britain was carried out by Russian anarchists. Like the IRA, they adopted bank robbery to finance their bombing campaigns and other activities. Unfortunately, British criminals copied the method and bank robbery became more and more popular. In Germany, the effects of importing criminal cultures from all over the world are becoming more and more obvious.In Germany, immigrant drug clans adopt the same ultraviolent approach they used in their home countries. German criminals are driven out of the market unless they are, at least, equally brutal.
      The Tottenham Outrage in 1907 is a famous example of a Russian Jewish anarchist bank robbery where a policeman was shot dead in “Dixon of Dock Green” style. Half a million people turned out for the funeral procession. The anarchists committed suicide. I wonder if the newspapers of the time were full of articles claiming that the violence had nothing to do with anarchism?

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      • Cranmer says:
        June 15, 2017 at 10:33 am

        Somewhat ironically it was a Liberal government which first passed laws against immigration, in 1905.

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        • Up2snuff says:
          June 15, 2017 at 11:54 am

          Funny you should mention that, Cranmer, I had 1904 as a date rolling around in my head somewhere. So, not far out then.

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      • Wild says:
        June 15, 2017 at 1:23 pm

        Fascinating ID.

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  14. Charlie Martel says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:04 am

    So Tiny Tim is to step down. Or Tintin as he is affectionately known. The loss to the nation of such a towering statesman is incalculable and he will be sadly mourned on this site.

    But one thing is true: he was shamelessly harassed for being a Christian by – you guessed it – the not-so ‘liberal’ beebistan (motto: All religions tolerated here, however psychotic, except Christianity).

    Yet I don’t recall the beebistan asking our beloved Emir questions like: So, Sadiq, what exactly is your position on gays: should they be stoned or should they just be thrown from a tall building? Should rape victims be beheaded or just lashed, or forced to marry their rapist? How exactly should all Jews be murdered? And Christians and Infidels? What exactly is the penalty for apostasy? What is the most humane way of killing adulterers? Do you believe Jihad is every muslim’s duty?

    If not, are you a bad muslim? Or do you believe the above is a pile of **** and do you reject some of the fundamental tenets of your religion? Er, mind how you answer, bearing in mind the apostasy thing.

    337670Tintin.jpg

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    • embolden says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:12 am

      The question asked should be framed in the way it was for Farron…..

      …..”you are an active muslim, do you believe that gay sex is a sin?”

      it should be voiced with hostility and the answer carefully parsed for inconsistency with the belief system of islam. If he says no the follow up question should be, “so how can you reconcile yourself to islamic beliefs, what evidence is there in the quran or hadiths that islam tolerates Gay sex?”

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      • Guest Who says:
        June 15, 2017 at 9:17 am

        Maybe on a day when Mishal is not off working on her latest comparison chart?

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        • gaxvil says:
          June 15, 2017 at 9:34 am

          Sustained living in denial must surely cause serious psychological damage. The longer you do it the less able you will be able to discern the truth when it is before you or slices off your head.

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        • embolden says:
          June 15, 2017 at 9:37 am

          I`d like to hear Mishal and all the other public facing muslims asked those questions too. Gay sex, trans sex, abortion, the death penalty…all the articles of liberal belief.

          The BBC (and others) appear intent on holding an inquisition about peoples beliefs and opinions, lets have it on a level playing field shall we?

          Do we have a diverse and pluralistic society or don’t we ? (I think the way the DUP are now under attack tells us all we need to know on that score)

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          • gaxvil says:
            June 15, 2017 at 9:39 am

            Surely they have to answer those questions when they complete their, Free, Fair, Impartial test at the job interview?

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            • embolden says:
              June 15, 2017 at 9:43 am

              Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

              Who says there`s no humour at the BBC?

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              • G.W.F. says:
                June 15, 2017 at 10:26 am

                Mishal ought to be asked how she is making out after FGM as a child and if not performed why not.

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      • BRISSLES says:
        June 15, 2017 at 9:45 am

        I’m not a fan of Farron, but I agree with all the above comments about Khan.

        Farron has been demonised in the same way that others of deep Christian faith have. I’m thinking of B & B owners and BA workers. We should be sticking up for our own, not those of beliefs alien to this country.

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  15. Dave666 says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Breakfast and Pilgrim Tucker bobs to the surface for an interview in London. https://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/on-bbcsp-unite-member-pilgrim-tucker-blatantly-fibs-about-the-cause-of-the-housing-crisis/

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  16. Fedup says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:08 am

    Toady watch

    People say there is no comedy on al Beeb any more apart from repeats. They are wrong. Toady now seems to feature a wimmins liberation section on a regular basis. Today it was wimmin in science being discriminated against by nasty men. The grouping of women and men it just prejudiced isn’t it? No individuality allowed.

    This character said that because Darwin said that wimmin were generally inferior to men science continues to discriminate against wimmin. The interviewer asked for evidence. Woman panicked and just said Darwin. The rest of the interview degenerated into an unfocused rant about women as victim and nasty me. It was funny but I was trying to work out why she was given airtime. – declaration of interest. I am a chap but not a scientist.

    By the way – the last feature was women doing badly at oxbridge because there are two many paintings and statues of white men which makes them feel inferior. I mean . Please. It’s as good as comedy gets on albeeb these days.

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    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:58 am

      Had to laugh yesterday – elderly American woman on about the Equality Rights Amendment in 1972.
      She addressed a meeting of humourless bra burners and said, “You realise if this passes, all of you will be subject to the Draft and may well find yourself in Vietnam.”

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  17. seismicboy says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Regardless of the UK’s status in the world, our wealth or any other marker, a ghetto is still a ghetto. Labour would like to see the safest and most modern ghettos in the world and blame the tories for their current state.
    I would simply ask why we must have them at all.

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    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:19 am

      Today – Hislop in his forthcoming masturbation will attempt to compare now with early 20th Century and before. Apparently he will equate 200 Chinese and 100,000 others with the millions we have today in an attempt to, tell us we are, panic mongers, xenophobes and racists with particular criticism for Katie Hopkins.
      Ian, stick with your rag and shitty TV show please!

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      • Up2snuff says:
        June 15, 2017 at 11:00 am

        gax, I heard that ‘plug piece’ with Hislop and think he’s got a lot of his ‘facts’ wrong.

        Am I wrong to think that immigration controls were introduced into the UK before WW1 not after?

        Were they not brought in partly because of Chinese immigration – much greater than 200 souls btw – but mainly because of Russian immigration (Gentile as well as Jewish Russians) that was importing (Communist) terrorism into the UK?

        Am I mistaken to think Joseph Conrad wrote a novel based on these events?

        Am I wrong to think that Hislop is overlooking constant migration to UK, via London but also Newcastle and Liverpool, prior to the restriction being imposed of Dutch and other Europeans (there were Dutch churches in London, for example, with worship conducted in Dutch for the majority Dutch speaking congregation), migration from Ireland and also British returnees from Africa, the Americas, Australasia, the Far East and the Indian sub-continent?

        After hearing Hislop, I was left wondering whether that programme should be pulled and re-made with corrections.

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        • Fedup says:
          June 15, 2017 at 11:26 am

          Yeah – buy my book I’m a tame al Beeb satirist earning a nice living from that lefty propaganda programme have I got lefty news for you which has been going far too long. I don’t watch it any more.

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          • Up2snuff says:
            June 15, 2017 at 12:09 pm

            Fedup, here’s the funny thing – it is truly laughable – but the questions I post above, about the possibility my memory is defective and Hislop is correct after all, are all except one, based on the result of – wait for it – BBC Radio programmes!

            And the one exception, Dutch immigration to the UK, was actually the side result of my doing research (checking memory, etc) for a post on here that was caused by discussion over a TV programme made for and broadcast by the BBC: Dickensian.

            Hislop’s Producer really ought to check with Melvin Bragg’s Producer, because IOTime covered Chinese migration to the UK and the imposition of the restrictions in 1905 (thank you, Cranmer) about two or three years ago.

            Hislop’s Producer also needs to check with BBC Radio Drama and TV Drama because one or both have serialised Conrad’s novel within the last two years! Think it may have been TV, before the iPlayer restrictions were introduced (I watched it) but after Dickensian was shown from Christmas 2015 onward.

            Our dear old BBC: the left hand truly does not know what the right hand is doing – all the time.

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            • gaxvil says:
              June 15, 2017 at 12:31 pm

              That bbc programmes, lie, obfuscate and omit is all about the agenda. Does anyone not take all pro agenda ‘facts’ without a shovel full of salt?

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            • Fedup says:
              June 15, 2017 at 4:06 pm

              Up2snuff, sad that hislop has been twisted by al beeb. I don’t think there are many mosques in the nice bit of Kent where the Hislop family live and I guess most of his neighbours speak English . The eye is as smug and unfunny as his lefty news program. Don’t need false lectures from him about being flooded with foreigners

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  18. gaxvil says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Looks like they’re building a sound case against Trump for, walking on the cracks in the pavement.

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    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:24 am

      And then there’s Farron who, like Christ, was hounded for his faith.
      He says it’s impossible to be a Christian and a Liberal!
      Touch of the ‘Hillary’s’ there Tim, you’ve not been ‘hounded’ – no one voted for you and your silly party because you are assholes.

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      • embolden says:
        June 15, 2017 at 9:41 am

        Timmy`s mistake, and he`s not alone in this, was to fail to recognise that “progressive politics” means cultural Marxism, which is at its core an atheistic belief system.

        It is possible to be a liberal Christian, just not an atheist Christian.

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      • MarkyMark says:
        June 15, 2017 at 9:53 am

        Farron vs Khan. A religious comparison? One religion is weak and loses you votes, another religion is strong and will win you votes.

        Sadiq Khan was sworn in as the new Mayor of London and requested the Qu’ran rather than the Bible on May 2016…as the book is so important for you to choose, let’s ask some questions (references from Marmaduke Pickthall translation).

        Is Muhammad the Perfect Moral Example?
        … is everything done in the Qu’ran acceptable in the 21st Century? Q33:21
        “Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.”

        Is Slavery Acceptable Today?
        When following Muhammed, what would you do? Q30:50
        “Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.”

        Should alcohol be banned?
        Who is in charge of 7000+ pubs in London? Q5:90
        “O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination…”

        Are non-Muslims free under Islam?
        Can they go about freely and without cost? Q9:29
        “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, … until they pay the Jizyah (Tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

        Do you believe everything in the book?
        Winged horses, splitting the moon, man made from a clot of blood.

        Is violence against women wrong?
        Should I follow advice from the Qur’an? Q4:34
        “But those (wives) from whom you fear arrogance – (first) advise them; (then if they persist), forsake them in bed; and (finally), strike them. But if they obey you (once more), seek no means against them.”

        Dear Sadiq Khan, we take a road trip to Mecca (Makkah) together with an Islamist terrorist sat in the back seat … what happens when we meet this sign? Who stays in the car? Is this unity through diversity?
        Sign says – “Muslims Only (green) | Makkah (Mecca) | For Non-Muslims (red)”.
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pCCnggr5jh8/hqdefault.jpg

        Islamophobia summed up in one sentence in the Qu’ran – “O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.”. or as interpreted by me “Don’t think too hard, just get back to reading THE book and look for the answer there.”

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        • Cranmer says:
          June 15, 2017 at 10:13 am

          It’s my belief the leftists cut the Muslims some slack on religious questions because they see them as products of a strict religious society (‘part of their culture, innit’) and that they might not have much choice in the matter. A committed Christian in Britain, by contrast, holds those views as a matter of personal choice. What is worse for the left is that a committed Christian is actually a sort of apostate – a heretic against progressive secularism.

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          • Up2snuff says:
            June 15, 2017 at 10:47 am

            Good post, Cranmer, and in addition to this: “What is worse for the left is that a committed Christian is actually a sort of apostate – a heretic against progressive secularism.” is that committed Christians may not worship – even actively resist worshiping – the row of ‘gods of this age’, many of which have been set up by the leftists for formal worship in the 21st century.

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      • Scroblene says:
        June 15, 2017 at 12:29 pm

        Well, Jesus wore sandals, so he must have been a Liberal!

        I think the socks came later though, when they were invented for people who kept sheep, probably for wool or even other purposes in desolate male-only countries…

        Anyone heard of lbgtbaaaaah lately?

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  19. scribblingscribe says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:21 am

    No one yet knows why the fire spread so fast up the west London tower block. Fingers are pointing at the cladding. The reason for the cladding is for environmental sustainability concerns, I believe to help insulation. Oddly, the BBC/Guardian are remaining shtum on this matter.

    More deaths to land at the door of the bonkers greens? Along with 30,000 people per annum from Diesel fumes, 40,000 deaths per annum through cold following the increase in energy bills, and the half a million children dying every year due to the greens opposing Golden Rice.

    No doubt the BBC will be running documentaries about it.

       36 likes

    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:26 am

      Yup, the sheep are now up the other end of the field.

         16 likes

    • StewGreen says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:38 am

      Grooming gangs : events go on for years almost unreported
      Fire incident in London : Endless, Endless reporting for days.

      The excuse for the first is that speculation might effect court cases.
      But that’s what should happen with the second,
      #1 Leave the victims alone.
      #2 Leave the fire investigation to the experts, the explanations should come out in time, and then we can challenge them

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    • StewGreen says:
      June 15, 2017 at 9:41 am

      BTW a similar fire happened in Australia in 2015
      Aluminium is a a fantastic fuel so it’s important quality safe panels are used , not cheapo ones.
      “The aluminium composite panel cladding, called Alucobest, commonly used in high-rise apartment buildings in the past 10 years, is imported from China and is significantly cheaper than the more fire-retardant and non-combustible Australian-made Alucobond, which complies with safety and fire standards.” more

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      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 10:30 am

        Yes, I recall the aluminium ships burning in the Falklands war. That said, the refurb would have been by competitive tendering where cost always trumps quality.

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    • Up2snuff says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:43 am

      ss, very interesting discussion on PM (BBC R4, 14 June, 5pm on) with some proper experts on the subject of cladding & fire proofing. Some decent BBC work for a change.

         9 likes

      • Arthurp says:
        June 15, 2017 at 4:12 pm

        As long as the BBC keeps away from News, current affairs and politics it is pretty good.

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    • Peter Grimes says:
      June 15, 2017 at 11:01 am

      Tragedy for the victims and their families/friends and even the fire services who will now be making a claim for more pay, supported as always by Leftists unconcerned about debt and deficit unless the Tories create it.

      Has anyone been surprised by the ethnicity of the majority of victims and those interviewed? It is a HA block and they even had, in this taxpayer-supported low-rent building, an Italian architectural student who had been here only three months and was living with his (Italian-sounding name) girlfriend.

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      • Foscari says:
        June 15, 2017 at 11:54 am

        Surprised about the ethnicity of the victims? Not in the slightest . More than 90% of inner London is
        ethnic. It gets around to around 50% in the outer London suburbs. Terrible tragedy . What worries me is
        the publicity to what fire damage can do. I wonder if we will be told what caused the fire.

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        • Manxman says:
          June 15, 2017 at 4:54 pm

          The exploding fridge and fireball is my guess, probably keeping the nitro cool, … seriously what turns a fridge into a fireball.

          If it was a bomb factory mishap we will certainly never hear about it.

             11 likes

          • ToobiWan says:
            June 15, 2017 at 6:26 pm

            Nah, Manxie, cooking bushmeat using firewood in an electric/gas cooker for me.

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    • Fedup says:
      June 15, 2017 at 11:30 am

      I’m waiting for al Beeb to come up with a ” skin head running away” routine and blaming right wingers for torching it. They are a bit slow on that narrative

      They just love thrashing around looking to hang some one for blame. In this case they’d want to burn them at the stake.

      Had a chuckle when some community worker was moaning on al Beeb about getting too much stuff to deal with. Please!

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  20. StewGreen says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:46 am

    R4 now going on about : “The American Populists”
    They’ve found a way of saying popularism is racist and hurts blacks *
    “C19th Farmers in the South and Midwest felt politically isolated. They formed the Populist or People’s Party to fight their cause, put up candidates for President, won several states and influenced policies.
    In the South, though, their appeal to black farmers stimulated their political rivals to suppress the black vote for decades and set black and poor white farmers against each other, tightening segregation.”
    * The election of Obama felt like popularism at the time, but BBC wasn’t worried then.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tbf4g

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  21. wronged says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:00 am

    Ironic isn’t it.

    Trump was criticised by the Left wing media (BBC) for running a ‘populist’ campaign.
    Yet here was Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party running a ‘populist’ campaign in our election.
    Even inserting the exculpation of student fees the day before the election.

    So what I deduce is this, populism is ok if it is from the Left but not the Right.

       30 likes

    • StewGreen says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:09 am

      Yes where did Donald Corbyn’s media campaign team get their ideas from ?

         12 likes

      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 10:33 am

        Yes, you can’t be a lefty-liberal unless you adopt double standards 24/7.

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  22. StewGreen says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:01 am

    TV Tonight : 8:30-10 : Britains Greatest Inventions
    I expect BBC Social Engineering will work out a way to say BME invented everything.*

    But no what they have done is gone the media celebrity route . A Luvvie fronting each invention so they’ve got Trevor McDonald and actor David Harewood to supply the non-whiteness.
    (see how BBC created a “Tomorrow’s World” Twitter account for marketing purposes)

    * Today BBC Local Radio stations are putting up Blue Plaques to musicians : that should help with their guilt about current blue plaques being too white.

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    • StewGreen says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:08 am

      10:05 BBC R4 “I am very proud to be a woman and black person”
      songwriter Carla Marie Williams (who wrote Beyonce’s Freedom “anthem for black women”)
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tbf4j

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    • Cranmer says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:16 am

      Britain’s greatest invention – hang on, I thought Islam invented everything before we did? Come on BBC get your story straight. After all if it wasn’t for Sheik Yabelli in 375AD experimenting with two conch shells tied together with string, we wouldn’t have radio at all!

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      • MarkyMark says:
        June 15, 2017 at 1:41 pm

        The BBC really need to come clean on this 1001 Islamic inventions and add some scientific backing. The West is sliding into stupidity at an accelerate rate. Flight is one of the greatest inventions or all time, which ironically was used to bring down the Twin Towers (did Islam invent skyscrapers?) on 9/11 by Islamists.

        BBC reported on 1001 Islamic Inventions in 2006 – showing an Arab attached to canvas wings with a frame and possibly a control bar (I can’t see how it is controlled) – very much like a hang glider of modern times. But the Wiki description is “He covered himself with feathers (looked stupid I would guess) for the purpose, attached a couple of wings to his body. (Wings made of what? How big? Did he just spread out his arms covered in glue and chicken feathers?)”.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/articles/2006/03/09/1001_muslim_inventions_event_feature.shtml
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/7cbb645ac4f5e801ceea25296aa71d688f03a024.jpg

        Form website link ” … Muslims have always shared the heritage that provides a platform for developments that makes the Western World tick. The exhibition is non-religious and non-political but is aimed at dispelling negative perceptions of Muslims.”

        So not about truth, but propaganda to dispel negatives – even if the truth is skewed?

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    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:58 am

      Will the BBC compare British Inventions (50) vs Islamic Inventions (1001)? This is getting tiring…sigh…

      Douglas Murray LAUGHS at claims of Islamic “Inventions” (with Gad Saad)
      “(@1:54)…my personal favourite is the an exhibition called a 1001 Islamic Inventions. Toured the science museums of the Western World … (@2:18) Islam had invented the entire world, not just the creation of the world but everything since, landscape gardening, and urban planning…
      reverse engineering on history and facts … (@4:40) they attributed to a man who plummeted a lot the invention of flight..”

      Off to Wiki, “..though he does claim that one verse in a 9th-century Arab poem is actually an allusion to Firnas’s flight.” Key word is ALLUSION.

      But on the website 1001inventions.com it says in the PDF explicitly “He (Abbas ibn Firnas) made the first recorded (evidence or Allusion in a poem) parachute jump (sounds technical by using word parachute) and used the first known hang glider (sounds very technical, big heavy sigh from me).” – with an icon to suggest it is sponsored by the National Geographic.

         13 likes

    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:23 pm

      Surely that’s the bloke who used to be in, ‘Rising Damp’?

         6 likes

    • Arthurp says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:15 pm

      Britain’s greatest invention – the world wide web. (not ‘the internet’)

         5 likes

    • Al Shubtill says:
      June 15, 2017 at 7:17 pm

      I remember Look North, some years back, showing David Harewood going to see David Lascelles (then Lord Harewood’s eldest son) at Harewood House; to get him to apologise for enslaving his African ancestors on the Lascelles’ family plantations in the West Indies hundreds of years ago. Lord Lascelles, who is now the current Earl of Harewood, politely told him that he couldn’t really be expected to atone for something which his ancestors had done, and for something which at that time wasn’t seen as being wrong.

         5 likes

  23. Thoughtful says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Under the Dublin Regulation, migrants must claim asylum in the first EU country they enter. If they apply for asylum in another country, they can be returned to their first port of call.

    How many times have you heard that on the BBC? It means that the UK can return any Calais migrants to France who should be dealing with them as illegal immigrants.

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    • Cranmer says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:57 am

      Thoughtful, the last time I heard about the Dublin Regulation was when Hungary was enforcing the rule during the 2015 migrant jamboree. Germany basically told them they shouldn’t be upholding this part of EU law, which was one of the major causes of me voting for Brexit.

         20 likes

  24. Lucy Pevensey says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:20 am

    The media obsession with Pr Trump & Russia continues. Why do we have to hear about this constantly?
    And yet…….
    A top US Republican congressman is in a critical condition after he and several others were shot by a lone gunman who ambushed a GOP congressional baseball practice session early on Wednesday morning in a Washington DC suburb.
    Seems to be a small news item, barely reported & almost forgotten within 24hrs.

       27 likes

    • Up2snuff says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:36 am

      Lucy, with Nixon and Watergate, it was a constant drip, drip, drip of allegation in the media – together with genuine investigative journalism – that eventually brought the whole thing to point of eruption & possible Impeachment of the President.

      I am not suggesting Trump is guilty of anything or totally innocent but I suspect someone, somewhere (but definitely not at the age-related memory loss afflicted BBC), remembers Watergate and has suggested to the BBC that keeping a constant stream of reported allegations going against President Trump will eventually bring him down.

      Not sure the BBC and/or the Democrats and/or the LibMob realise that that will NOT mean that Hilary gets the White House but that, instead, Mike Pence becomes President.

      Now, how do the BBC look on Mike Pence?

      Ooops!

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  25. EnglandExpects says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:22 am

    For those unfamiliar with Londonistan, the overwhelming numbers of Third World immigrants in North Kensington, the location of the Tower Block disaster,seems to have come as a shock. Of course we all read about the scale of immigration-and comparisons to it being on an annual scale the size of Newcastle, but each year a new city the size of Newcastle isn’t being built to house immigrants. Instead, they are housed somewhere inside big urban areas like London Greater Manchester and Birmingham or they increasingly turn old mill towns in Yorkshire and Lancashire into enclaves of Kashmir and Somalia. We don’t build all that many new houses so it stands to reason that existing houses are increasingly in multiple occupation. In Southall we learn that enterprising Third Worlders convert garden sheds into yet more accommodation , illegally of course . Social housing owners, usually Third Worlders who bought from the original Right To Buy owners also sub let, again illegally .
    The MSM do their best to ignore all this when telling us of the ‘benefits’ of mass immigration into an already over-crowded country. All we hear of is the cultural wonders of diversity’, enriched ‘communities’ and jobs in the NHS and in low paid services that wouldn’t otherwise be filled . The latter piece of propaganda from the BBC and it’s left liberal MSM acolytes is a specious argument because the market would in fact provide a solution by raising wages and making such jobs more attractive. We have 1.5 million unemployed !
    Immigrants in low wage employment cost the taxpayer some £3500 pa each on average in benefits and demands on public services . Let’s say that there are 4 million of these immigrants working in the UK. The cost in public spending is therefore £14 billion each year. That is the same as the foreign aid budget. So our real support to the Third World is twice the usually headlined figure- over half the present public borrowing per annum.
    If we have to spend £28 billion each year lets do it abroad, not by creating the Third World in our own country. Or better still let’s spend a big chunk of the £28 billion on new housing and infrastructure for the British. We could start by ridding ourselves of the tower blocks and social housing ghettos

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    • Cranmer says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:41 am

      EnglandExpects, it’s only a matter of time before there’s a major fire in one of those ‘beds in sheds’ shanty towns built along the backs of suburban houses in Slough and similar places. We will then be told that it is the fault of the British government for not properly accommodating the world’s teeming millions, not the fault of successive governments for deliberately encouraging mass immigration in the first place.

         36 likes

    • JimS says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      Don’t forget that the difference between the government’s income and expenditure is of the order of £69 billion.

      Which means that your £28 billion is borrowed money and we pay interest on it as well.

      It’s like a benefit claimant using a pay-day loan to buy The Big Issue from an ‘essential’ Romanian EU-immigrant.

         16 likes

      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 3:10 pm

        I guess since those that live with vast debt along with, virtually nil inflation and similar interest rates see no reason to for change. I guess they think the country can do the same – assuming they’ve given it any thought but when debt equals GDP, the party is over.

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    • G says:
      June 15, 2017 at 2:49 pm

      EE,
      “Third Worlders convert garden sheds into yet more accommodation……”. Living equally in a style to which they are accustomed no doubt.
      The “benefits” do not exist. We all know this and Migration Watch has done the number crunching to prove it. Bet you cannot tell me the last time you heard the BBC refer to that research?
      https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/386
      If the UK cleared out all migrants it would save > £14 Billion in benefits etc. (figures for 2011/12) – no doubt substantially more in 2015/16. That didn’t appear on the side of any, ‘Battlebus’ did it?

         15 likes

    • Fedup says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm

      If you said to people – what would pay for Sky to or home insurance I wonder which one would win. I’m guessing , though, at as a council run they’d be required to pay insurance anyway.

      Not to much criticism of the ” stay put and die ” policy used by the fire brigade. That really was hair brain and will be an interesting read when the Royal Commision /public enquiry is published in 2027

      By then of course anyone to be criticised or blamed based on evidence will be either promoted or retired which is the standard course.

      The lawyer sharks will be queuing up for the £££££££££££

         6 likes

      • Arthurp says:
        June 15, 2017 at 4:20 pm

        The ‘policy’ is correct if the building is designed to prevent fire spreading through it. The idea is that the firebrigade contain the fire and then evacuate the residents – without having them causing problems and interfering in the work.

        However it doesn’t take into account the situation where the block of flats basically becomes an external chimney drawing up air from the street to replace the air/ smoke/ fumes rising upwards due to the heat and fanning the flames.

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  26. Beeb Brother says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:22 am

    I just went to the PTA meeting at my nephew’s school. They had planned a trip to the national history museum and had had to tell the children what to do in case there was a terrorist attack. My nephew is afraid to go upstairs on his own in the house in case there are monsters, how terrifying is it for young children having discussions like this? And they are happening up and down the land.

    In the end they decided it is best not to have the trip.

    What sort of dystopian vision is this? Seven year old girls crying because they are afraid of being hacked to death. And however much you try to say it is unlikely, we evolved to naturally have a sense of panic when we see something terrifying; when we lived on the savannah this fight or flight response was essential for our survival. The Information Age has made these threats seem immediate, which indeed they are; increasingly people I know have friends who have been caught up in events. And who is to say the attacks could not increase exponentially? Despite her talk of getting tough we are in exactly the same situation as we were three months ago – nothing but abject surrender and shooting messengers.

    Damn the liberal elite to hell. All along the Beeb just pretended we were living in some glorious rainbow utopia and anyone who dared challenge this vision was unpersoned for committing the most heinous thought crime. Now look what they have created: a world where innocent children are breaking down in tears because they are so terrified. And they still pretend like everything is fine just because some Muslims helped victims of a fire and parliament is so ‘diverse.’

       54 likes

    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:39 am

      My son is not going to Germany on the 2nd return leg of his exchange visit, after the cinema machete attack last year was less than 20 miles from where he was staying.
      My understanding is at least 30% of the parents have taken their children out.

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    • StewGreen says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:46 am

      Risk of a 7 year old girl being harmed by terrorists is pretty low
      Risk of a 13 year old girl being groomed/abused and media/authorities let it happen seem much greater.

         29 likes

      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 11:57 am

        Got immigrants and ‘refugees’ ? Then you MUST accept that sex crimes will rise several fold. But just DO NOT mention it, you racist, xenophobes.
        As a child I recall being in Walsall with my Mom when I saw an Indian in a sari – I stared and stared.
        last week in Yardley I saw a, smartly dressed white man – I stared and stared.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:
      June 15, 2017 at 10:50 am

      had to tell the children what to do in case there was a terrorist attack
      This is standard practice is Jewish schools, even at nursery level. And no, I’m not talking about villages in Israel close to the border with Gaza – I’m talking about the UK and it’s been this way for many years. I’ve heard many bleats from liberals about the ‘risk’ to the Muslim community of people eating bacon butties within a mile of a mosque, but this obscenity within Britain seems to have passed them by. Still, in the interests of equality as I suppose, they seem keen for the group posing the threat to extend their franchise into the wider community.

         36 likes

    • Dave S says:
      June 15, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      This is predictable . It will end up by most of the shire British not going to the London museums etc. They have little choice as to have to instruct small children about the possibility of a terror attack is just not on.
      Adults naturally protect children and this is such an inversion of normal behaviour that it threatens the child’s view of the world permanently. So no visits and forget about London and the cities for the foreseeable.
      Technology can help here as it will make the need for millions commuting to these future hells less necessary.
      Theatres ,museums etc will have to suffer the results of an elite’s insanity.
      I have no pity for them at all. The progressives will reap what they have sown and this is as it was always going to be because they would not listen.
      This whole election farce has been an exercise in displacement activity. Three brutal attacks on mostly young people in London and Manchester and the best they can come up with is a concert and candles.
      The state has failed us and it is only the police and the security services that have protected us. That is their job .Part of the deal when you disarm a citizenry.
      We are moving into dangerous territory. If the police etc fail then what have we left? Ourselves and just ourselves and that is a whole different game.
      My duty and the duty of all of us adults is to protect our children and grandchildren. it overrides all other obligations.

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      • Cranmer says:
        June 15, 2017 at 1:43 pm

        DaveS, the theatres and museums and the ‘arts’ in general are in the forefront of progressive leftism and open borders immigration. There is a kind of natural justice at work if their revenues are affected as a result of this. Whether it will ever give them cause to reflect, is another matter.

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      • G says:
        June 15, 2017 at 2:42 pm

        Dave,
        Someone here a few weeks ago referred to the ‘Sharia Police’. It seems that’s what is quickly developing: easy on muslim (particularly of the paedo variety), well, correction, not doing anything for over a decade; ‘Hate Crimes’ for which I am not aware of any legislation covering. So, the Sharia Police have perhaps taken it upon themselves to ‘police’? Instructions must come from the top to support islam and condemn the rest.

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    • Pounce says:
      June 15, 2017 at 1:43 pm

      We are in London on Saturday in which to take the IN-laws to a show for Fathers day. He did 22 years in the army, he’s a prison warden and he’s worried about going into London.

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  27. StewGreen says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:23 am

    TV Tonight 9pm C4 Wife Swap Brexit special
    “Wife Swap Brexit special sees Nottingham’s Kat Boettge brought to tears after hostile reception”
    (Yeh well it’s ‘reality’ TV the producers manipulate people..
    eg plant the idea to give The German born Green Party woman a Nigel Farage portrait)

    She said “When I came up with statistics or facts about what (good) migration is doing for the country”
    … well if your statistics are just made up, they don’t really count.
    http://www.nottinghampost.com/migrant-explains-why-she-was-brought-to-tears-on-wife-swap-brexit-special/story-30389594-detail/story.html

       12 likes

    • Arthurp says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:22 pm

      If only immigrants magically appeared at 9.00am and magically disappeared at 5.00pm – as many businesses in London seem to think they do.

         7 likes

  28. Thoughtful says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:27 am

    John Humphries reverential interview with young Corbyn supporters

    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-cool-school-john-humphrys-aged-73-gets-kids/

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  29. Alicia Sinclair says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:29 am

    Every so often, I think we can go over the top with fairly snarky comments.
    The nonsense over Jo Cox for example. Andrew Marrs superinjunction and Evan davis and his penile jewellery.
    Some jokes might be overegging things, maybe even a bit crass and tasteless.
    But then I see Channel 4s Brexit Last Leg that is meant to be a free plug for Jo Cox Weekend includes
    Nick Clegg
    Alastair Campbell
    This is a “independent comedy show”.
    Funny then how lying clowns beyond parody, flaky mental health and blood on their hands show up to “show their solidarity”. Brendan Cox himself urges this political media and celebrity soup, so that the Progressive Cause has traction with the young.
    So then…
    The more nastiness and jokes the better, having seen THIS Remoaning excuse getting plugged on the telly.

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  30. Tabs says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Everyone’s favourite celebrity virtue virtue signaler, Lily Allen, is back….

    Adele visits Grenfell Tower site after fire
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40286420

    Other stars to have offered help and condolences to the victims and their families include Jeremy Clarkson, Lily Allen, Jamie Oliver and Fearne Cotton.
    Clarkson urged the people of Kensington to give clothes or anything they can to help those who had been left homeless, while Oliver offered food and shelter at his Westfield restaurant.

    With the exception of Jamie Oliver, is who actually helping, the rest of the publicity seeking celebrities should be taking in some of these homeless families into their mansions – or are all their rooms already full of immigrants?

       26 likes

    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:49 pm

      Man who punched his staff, has net wealth $50million, asks everyone else to give away their wealth. This would be my interpretation of the story.

      Sorry, I find Clarkson interesting but misguided. “Clarkson urged the people of Kensington to give clothes or anything they can to help those who had been left homeless”

      The more I read about Jeremy the more I ask why?

      The former Top Gear host was granted permission to demolish his £4 million, five-bedroom farmhouse near Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, and build a new one in July. But instead of calling in the bulldozers “like any normal person would do” he hired a demolition firm and razed the property to the ground in a massive explosion.

         8 likes

      • Al Shubtill says:
        June 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm

        Clarkson was (is?) also a Remainer, which I found surprising to say the least.

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    • G.W.F. says:
      June 15, 2017 at 1:24 pm

      We are awaiting Sir Bob Gandolph to turn up and demand that we give some fxxxing money

         17 likes

      • G.W.F. says:
        June 15, 2017 at 1:43 pm

        Treezer has made a private visit to the scene of the fire. As she conducted her election campaign – no contact with the public. Just a photo with a few fire chiefs.

        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-makes-private-visit-grenfell-10626142

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      • MarkyMark says:
        June 15, 2017 at 1:56 pm

        Pop concerts have solved all the Worlds problems with Geldolph. Oh, hold on news flash …
        “Somalia declares ‘national disaster’ over drought: More than 6.2 million people in need of urgent humanitarian aid, including nearly three million who are going hungry.” Feb17.

        Maybe if we “transferred wealth creation” rather than just “transferring wealth” the people in Somalia and Africa in general would stand a chance and be able to weather these storms a lot better with infrastructure and good governance? Can’t find out how many people were helped in Band Aid (1984) but the problem is getting worse.

        “There is only one cure for world poverty that has ever been found or ever will and it’s very simple. And it could be phrased very simply too. It’s called the empowerment of women … give women control over their reproductive cycle, throw in a handful of corn if you can, make them not just the beasts of burden and the beasts of childbearing that they’ve become and the floor will rise, it just will. It never fails anywhere.” – Christopher Hitchens

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  31. StewGreen says:
    June 15, 2017 at 10:54 am

    8pm R4 : “Briefing Room : David Aaronovitch finds out why the election that was supposed to destroy the Labour party has been hailed a success for Jeremy Corbyn
    – despite falling 64 seats short of an overall majority.”

    ..at least that seems to start with some realism.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08wr720

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    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 11:22 am

      ‘………hailed a success for Jeremy Corbyn’
      Yes, Why?
      A: Wishful thinking, desperation, delusion and derangement. It should be a very short programme.

         17 likes

      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 11:48 am

        And as said on bbc ‘Hard Talk’ – The election wasn’t about making a bigger better cake, it was about dishing out the remains of the cake.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      I think Dianne Abbott counted it as a 164 seat majority for Labour.
      And we are not to argue with the Special Needs section of Labours Numeracy programme for large, black vulnerable students.
      So Labour won…oh yes they did,boys and girls…

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  32. BRISSLES says:
    June 15, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    Sky ‘pushing’ the story of Muslims travelling from Birmingham and Leicester to help with the aftermath. Well, they would, wouldn’t they.

    Only one elderly white lady listed as ‘missing’, a Mrs Smith – now that’s a name you don’t hear much of these days.

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    • gaxvil says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm

      They think we’re so stupid we’ll fall for that kind of propaganda – but then, some of us are. It means, don’t worry and all in the garden is rosy and despite the evil, Muslims are saintly.

      Anyhow, following the, Muslim in a pub given pork scandal:-
      A Muslim walks into a bar.
      It was a bar of the cage he’d been put in so he could be burned alive by some different Muslims.

      I know – it needs work.

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  33. JimS says:
    June 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    First they came for the boarding house owners – and I did not speak out
    Because I was not a boarding house owner

    Then they came for the family bakers and I did not speak out
    Because I was not a family baker

    Then they came for the Liberal Democrat leader
    But there were no liberals or democrats left to speak for him

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  34. shelly says:
    June 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    Re: The horrific events at Grenfell tower, an old neighbour of mine is lucky her Daughter and Grandaughter got out alive. I hope this finally shines a light on the dodgy back handers that have been going on between contractors and local councils, regardless of which party is running them, for decades, but I won’t hold my breath.

    Its not surprising Kensington turned Labour is it, when you see the ethnicity of most of the residents ( cheers Mandleson). Coupled with the consituency of Kensington and Chelsea being split and Chelsea joining up with Fulham, while Kensington and Hammersmith go it alone, except in the local council elections Hammersmith and Fulham are still united, as are Kensington and Chelsea,
    Confusingly.

    No wonder locals have given up all hope of ever getting a council flat, the country has taken all the brain surgeons and engineers we can handle, we’re full up.

    Its horrific what happened the other night, but I’m still sceptical about the exploding fridge, I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    But having first hand experience of living cheek by jowel with Somalis ( chucking dirty nappies out the window instead of binning them) I wouldn’t rule anything out.

    If it turns out to be a Ramadan feast gone wrong I doubt we’ll ever hear about it, espcially from beeb.

    Oh and celebs please go and emote elsewhere, you’re just getting under everyones feet.

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    • Dystopian says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:33 pm

      Now we know why London voted remain

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    • Cranmer says:
      June 15, 2017 at 12:48 pm

      My guess is that K&C is now mainly populated by poor immigrants, or wealthy foreigners (French and arabs) who either don’t/can’t vote , or if they do, vote Labour. The old patriotic working class Brits in Fulham etc long moved out, and even the wealthy, old money Brits – the ‘Sloane Rangers’ who used to live there – can’t afford it now and have cashed up to pay for their crumbling country houses in Berkshire and Gloucestershire.

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  35. Pounce says:
    June 15, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    To the likes of the bBC, these are poor children, who must be brought to the Uk for their own safety:
    https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/875039167583051776

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  36. Hexhamgeezer says:
    June 15, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    Switch on R5Live and they are still working hard on the ‘anger’ and how the fire was ‘completely avoidable. It reminds me very much of the time they lamented the lack of rioting here compared to that of the Continent during the financial crisis and their glee at the response to thug Duggan’s death (helped along with the Police’s hanging back to show the efects of ‘The Cuts’). They are also tossing in the lesson and admonition to those less culturally blessed of the greatness of multiculturalism.

    No word yet on how ‘Green’ policies might have influenced the type and materials used in the tower’s recent refurbishment and contributed to the number of deaths.

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  37. Pounce says:
    June 15, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    How often have you heard the bBC banging on about austerity and Government cuts. Only yesterday the bBC was allowing Labour’s Harriet Harmon to state that cuts to councils was the reason why they couldn’t afford to fit sprinkler systems in that London tower block.
    “She told BBC Radio 4’s the World At One programme: “Councils want to fit sprinklers in their tower blocks, but it comes down to money. The government has been cutting the money to councils. If you cut money to councils, you can’t put in sprinklers.”
    The fact the bBC overlooked the fact that the Tower block is run by a private company and not the council is besides the point. That said here is a little story which should be given more air, simply to show how inept Labour really are, why so many people voted labour and how if they did their job, the cuts wouldn’t be half as bad.
    £73m of Wales council tax written-off as debt in 10 years
    More than £73m of unpaid council tax has been written off by Welsh councils as “bad debt” over the last decade, figures show. Last year, residents paid more than £1.3bn for the charge, which helps pay for services such as bins, libraries, swimming pools and the police. About £6.4m was written-off in 2016-17 alone after residents failed to pay. The Welsh Local Government Association (WLGA) said councils deliver a “highly efficient” approach.

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  38. Sluff says:
    June 15, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    Biased BBC London giving full coverage to visit of Corbyn to the Grenfell tower block.
    They announce he has called for a public enquiry.
    In other words, nice Jeremy is doing the right compassionate things.

    Except that as I understand it, Treezer has already announced a public enquiry. Which BBC London have managed not to mention.

    Total 100% bias, committed only to creating and maintaining pro-Corbyn bias at all times, even using a tragedy like this.

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  39. gaxvil says:
    June 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    In case I’ve missed it is, ‘Enough’ still ‘Enough’ or has it slipped back to, not nearly, ‘Enough’?

       8 likes

    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 2:20 pm

      Enough is Enough. Enough is not Enough. Enough is less than Enough. Enough is more than Enough. Enough already!
      Or simply “I’ve had enough of this Internet thing that allows freedom of expression and ideas.”

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  40. G says:
    June 15, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    Martha Carney acting as the prosecutor and judge. It really is time the BBC had removed the function of news broadcasting. I, as most, could live with the rest if it is unbiased.

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    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:06 pm

      I too listened to ‘TWatO’, which is unusual for me, because of the scale of this fire tragedy.

      Martha K isn’t the worst and most of her questions were reasonable … but some were premature.
      I think a period of respectful near-silence should be observed for a disaster that only started early yesterday. There will be plenty of time for a full inquiry and apportioning of blame in due course.

      If she is going to ask questions about the why and wherefore, she could have asked the following: how many of the units had been subdivided? (This would increase the risk of fire from devices not wired/plumbed in properly and the sheer number of people crammed in.) Were any free-standing cookers being used? Are they sure it was an exploding fridge? Have Corbyn and Harman behaved responsibly in trying to make political capital out of this?

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  41. lojolondon says:
    June 15, 2017 at 2:29 pm

    On the Victoria Derbyshire show today, Muslim woman explains how the fire was created ‘for revenge against Muslims’ – says the fire service arrived only at 4:25 came and when they arrived they did not help and she was prevented from helping….
    The woman spoke for 4 minutes without interruption and without any argument as to her points of view from the Biased BBC.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f3_1497521645

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:
      June 15, 2017 at 2:51 pm

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      These scripted clichés are worn out.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:50 pm

      Migration and overcrowding.
      Green eco-gestures for show to the property developers as you drive by.
      Ramadan pig outs on camping stoves in the early hours
      Cheap fridges, electrics bypassed or unchecked.
      Labour Council at loggerhead with residents, arrogant brush off of residents concerns(in twenty different languages.
      I f I were the BBC, I`d be reining back on their current wish to make it all political. But it being Labour and the BBC, they`ll press the basement button and hope there`s a fire exit when they hit rock bottom.
      They got this bodysurfing notion after Millie Dowler and Leveson, got cocky after Hillsborough retrospectives.
      This one may well bring in the Emirates, Dubai construction standards at Ramadan, allied to Green and Labour corruption and being seen to be green tokenism. As I say-the BBC need to be careful.

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    • Beltane says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm

      If this kicks off, as it might, how interesting it will be to see how many take to the streets in ‘solidarity’ compared with those prepared to march in the memory of recently slain kuffars….policing could be a bit of a conundrum too.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:10 pm

      Re lojolondons clip above.
      This bitter little lady has probably got her Ariane Grande outfit in the trunk, all ready for the next atrocity.
      Guess she`ll dress as the acting school says, as long as its compatible with the BBCs chosen angle.
      As for the “Muslims targetted” nonsense?
      I`d be checking if the same oafs who make Meccas footbridges or Dubai highrises also made these adjustments to the Grenfell flats, before I spoke such rot.

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      • Wild says:
        June 15, 2017 at 4:19 pm

        “On the Victoria Derbyshire show today, Muslim woman explains how the fire was created ‘for revenge against Muslims’”

        In the Third World riots and killing sprees set off by stupid rumors are not uncommon. She is just importing her Third World politics. The BBC it seems is happy to facilitate her. Multiculturalism is a disaster and the BBC are loving it.

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    • Charlie Martel says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      Bbc interview rules, Number 1: NEVER interrupt a muslim, especially if s/he’s moaning about waycism / islamophobia. Yawn.
      Unless she’s a heroic critic of the Religion of War and Oppression like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in which case interrupt to your heart’s content.

         13 likes

    • Kaiser says:
      June 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm

      wot dearie dear

      you should be taking heart at the diversity of the victims

      lighting some candles (led versions available)

      and scanning the lyrics of london based band song for a bit of a sing along (madness our house springs to mind)

      on no account should you be getting angry at anyone

      jeez lady get with the program

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  42. Yob says:
    June 15, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Just another day for a Beeboid staffer and presenter…Supporting Pakistan with vengeance against England, and then pathetically screaming waycist when people inquire as to why….

    https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/875345506922369025

       27 likes

    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      Who remembers Norman (Lord) Tebbit’s ‘Cricket Test’ of loyalty to Britain? That was, alas, another era!

         18 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      The BBC Sports monkey on Freeview seemed cheesed off on Sunday. Plucky Scots denied a historical victory, cruel heartbreak of Bravehearts…that kind of guff. This was Sunday morning-would the BBC EVER give us a commentator who actually likes England or at least is fair to us?
      Imagine…as Yoko clearly wrote…bet she`s seen the composers fees she can now get at all those portable shrines nowadays.

         8 likes

  43. gaxvil says:
    June 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    Anyhow, with a couple of hits long ago – how come Geldorf is so rich? With that kind of acumen he should be running the economy.

       10 likes

    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
      June 15, 2017 at 3:29 pm

      I don’t think he got rich from the Boomtown Rats, whom I quite liked (apart from him!) Live Aid was probably the fecking making of him, the usual story of ‘doing well by doing good’, like David Miliband (slumming it on $600,000 a year with the International Rescue Charity) and the Coxes, et al.

         19 likes

      • gaxvil says:
        June 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm

        Yeah, truly heart warming how charitable, charities are when it comes to some.

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      • MarkyMark says:
        June 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm

        Mustapha – Labour Manifesto #GE17 version 3, the one they that they forgot to release …

        “To All Labour supporters, we are going to implement the socialist Labour dream today!
        You will give all your savings, wages, clothing, cars, house keys, furniture, pets, future earnings, pensions and food to Jeremy Corbyn, he will then divide them all up and give everyone an equal share regardless of age, requirements, gender, hours worked.
        To begin this momentous moment in history the top leaders of Labour have released all their own belongings into the Socialist Pot Of Glory Today – ready to be shared equally. Come join us!”

        Jeremy Corbyn (LMP) // Salary £125K* // House £650K // Bike £100
        Sadiq Khan (LMP) // Salary £143K* // House £????
        Diane Abbott (LMP) // Salary £74k* // House £1000K // TV Shows £100K**
        Keith Vaz (LMP) // Salary £80K* // Five Houses @ £1000K** //
        David Miliband (LS) // Charity Wages £400K // etc etc

        * from taxes paid by the people “From the Many, To the Few”.
        ** I made this number up, sorry.
        LMP = Labour MP
        LS = Labour Supported

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:
        June 15, 2017 at 4:06 pm

        Bob has done nothing but dine out on the Ethiopian dust bowl since 1985.
        As well as flog on some TV station that probably thought “The Word” was a bit upmarket for their viewers.And clearly not very good at hanging on to his ladies.
        The embodiment of liberal man, doing well over here as ever.

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  44. gaxvil says:
    June 15, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    So they’ve long maintained we have, in this country, policing by consent. I’m really not sure whose consent they operate under these days. No one I know that’s for sure.

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  45. Yob says:
    June 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    I’m deeply shocked that I can find this on Reuters, but the BBCs “world class” journalists seem to have overlooked it (sic)

       16 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      With John and his people’s army coming in the left flank, and Jez and kapos oozing up behind to ‘deal’ with the rich people on the even more left flank, rather relieved I gave up London for the shires a while ago. If they get near Islington or Notting Hill, expect a BBC policy review.

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  46. gaxvil says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    Insurrection!
    Police – dust off the ancient copies of the Riot Act and run it by your PC advisor.

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  47. Thoughtful says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    A friend who is constantly scraping Twitter for ‘real’ news on how local people view catastrophic events has been telling me a few interesting facts about the tower block fire.

    There were Syrian refugees housed there.
    Many of the flats were sublet to any number of illegal immigrants who are undocumented and if dead will never be identified.
    There was a tremendous amount of anger in the area from working residents sick of gangs of migrants hanging around bothering people.
    The council had been made aware of the problem with subletting, but being Tories, did what Tories do best – work out the cost of dealing with it then do nothing.
    There is a claim that this was a faulty fridge however for the flames to pass from the inside of a building to the outside requires quite a lot of heat.
    Reports from the 999 call handlers are that calls were received around that time, but that the callers were unable to speak any English at all and the call had to be terminated. Despite claims from residents of difficult access emergency services were on the scene within 6 minutes.
    It is suspiciously close to the second Muslim Iftar at 01:00 and given the allegations of sub letting to illegal immigrants and people unable to speak English, it is more than possible a naked flame for cooking was involved.

    Having said that Beko fridges are notoriously dangerous for starting fatal domestic fires, so if this was another, then there certainly has been sufficient publicity about the issues and a manufacturers recall on them, if this had not been done then is the fridge owner responsible ?
    It is suspiciously close to the second Muslim Iftar of 01:00 pm and if

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    • Beltane says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      Pure coincidence but Beko is a Turkish company……only saying.

         5 likes

    • Arthurp says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      It is perfectly posisble that the man ‘with the faulty fridge’, noticed flames that originated from below behind the fridge and therefore assumed the fridge itself was faulty.

         7 likes

  48. StewGreen says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    @Durham_Uni #Islamic group handed out booklets encouraging #terrorism but chalks it up to an “honest mistake”.
    http://www.islamist-watch.org/26408/durham-university-islamic-society-has-been

       14 likes

    • Charlie Martel says:
      June 15, 2017 at 5:00 pm

      So that’s all right then.

         10 likes

    • Wild says:
      June 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm

      For hypocrisy it is hard to beat the Labour MP Michael Meacher, who in 2001 made a speech condemning people who owned more than one home. A bit of research by journalists however revealed that he owned 9 homes. He was one of the 36 Labour MP’s who nominated Jeremy Corbyn as a candidate in the leadership election of 2015.

         23 likes

    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      StewGreen, went to site and Tariq Ramadan Attacks Critics of FGM Advocate – “It’s NOT up to you (points at camera, I think he means the host country USA in this case) to decide on when we have to fire somebody. (for mutilating children)” – YouTube – @4:38

      What if you break the law of the country that has taken you in? Oh, guess not – we should just wait for Islam to have internal discussions about human rights, child marriage, slavery, polygamy, stoning, child genital mutilation or you could follow the laws of the country whilst you have these talks.
      This is just an excuse to sit around and do nothing – if any one is exempt from the law then why have it at all?
      http://www.islamist-watch.org/

      – the following is quite blunt and to the point – and has adult content – warning –
      “There are things a morally normal, fairly normal, person would not, unprompted do. For example hold down their daughter, at the age of six, tear off her underwear and cut her genitalia with a sharp stone.” – Christopher Hitchens
      https://youtu.be/SmUEiYbkNGw?t=1h15m1s

         4 likes

  49. Pounce says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    After the Muslim on VD saying it was people attacking Muslims which started the fire we now have Peaky stating it was an inside job to…VD

       7 likes

  50. An English Gentleman says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Breaking News…………Bob Geldoff has taken in some of the survivors from Grenfell Towers…………

    No, not really

       20 likes

    • MarkyMark says:
      June 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm

      Keith Vaz gives up four of his five houses as he can’t be in them all at the same time himself, to people in need from Grenfell Towers. It’s the socialist thing to do … waiting … waiting …

         20 likes

      • G says:
        June 15, 2017 at 10:32 pm

        MM,
        But what might he want in return I wonder? Hrmm, hrmm, touch nose with index finger.

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        • MarkyMark says:
          June 15, 2017 at 10:45 pm

          Keith “67%” Vaz is amazing. “Whoever recorded Vaz’s filthy exchanges with those Romanian rent boys – and killed his political career – has done the world a massive favour.” – DELINGPOLE/Sep16

          Then I checked Keith Vaz and he did really well in the Leicester East UK General Election June 2017.

          ** Keith Vaz(Labour@67%); Votes 35,116; 67%; Change +5.9% **

          It get’s better, on Nov16 he was going to tackle corruption in the the UK!
          “Keith Vaz has been appointed to a parliamentary committee preparing a new law to tackle corruption and money laundering. The Leicester East MP is currently under investigation by the Metropolitan Police … ”

          And he is still an MP and Won 67% of his constituency, surely, someone who could potentially be blackmailed easily or potentially led to corruption easily or potentially associates with criminals is not the best person to be a UK MP with such powers?

          “Keith Vaz (67% voters for Labour in GE17), the senior Labour backbencher, claimed more than £75,500 in expenses for a flat in Westminster despite his family home being a £1.15 million house just 12 miles from parliament.”
          “Mr Vaz’s claims have always been in accordance with the spirit and rules of the Green Book,” – Reported 9 May 2009.

          But though the expense was not found to be illegal, it does have a whiff of hypocrisy when standing for a ‘committee preparing a new law to tackle corruption and money laundering’ or maybe if you have experience in how to do it then all the better.

          Oh, and as a Socialist one must have five houses to help society.

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    • G.W.F. says:
      June 15, 2017 at 5:53 pm

      An English Gentlemam

      Did he ask them for their fucking money?

      bob-geldof-give-us-your-fucking-money.jpg

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