Midweek Open Thread

 

As Jeremy Bowen tells us of the charismatic, legendary, young revolutionary freedom fighter that was Arafat who took on the ominous might of the Israeli oppressors, becoming the father of the Palestinian nation that genuine peacemakers would miss upon his death [a death possibly, probably, due to Israeli poisoning]…quickly brushing over Munich and all that, we can thank our lucky stars to have such a trustworthy, accurate and impartial news broadcaster that fights the tidal wave of right-wing [and it is ony right-wing] fake news that engulfs us with its own brand of truth and real honest news.  Thank God.  However if you should spot any isolated occasions where the BBC lets slip its high standards please be good enough to identify them here…..all yours….

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  1. G says:

    Up to 250,000 illegal immigrants go “missing” in the UK EVERY YEAR.
    http://www.westmonster.com/up-to-250000-illegal-immigrants-go-missing-each-year/

    How many in the tower block?

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  2. Thoughtful says:

    BBC radio 4 PM interviewing a civil servant about handling the PR following a crisis when his mobile goes off – the tune – Smoke on the Water ! You really couldn’t make this stuff up, but the irony was complexly lost on Mair.

    Meanwhile it would appear the Fire Service tweets on the fire have now been removed, one of the more sensitive posts was about the difficulty of getting up the stairs because the animal residents had fly tipped so much rubbish into the fire escape stairwells.
    This reportedly included mattresses, bin bags, & cardboard boxes full of rubbish.

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    • Wild says:

      The whole output of BBC news and current affairs is edited out facts with added fake news to sustain the narrative.

      What is the narrative this week?

      The same narrative it is every week.

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  3. BRISSLES says:

    Why the hoohaa of who’s visited or not the community ? Why all the wingeing? Because whether its the Queen, May/Corbyn or Bob Dylan, its not going to help in the slightest. Do people really feel ‘comforted’ because a celebrity has turned up? Rubbish.
    Now we’ve got the natives uprising and demanding to be housed within the Kensington Borough, and how many non-victims will be jumping on THAT bandwagon. They’re all fighting amongst themselves now at the Town Hall, if not fighting they’re holding up their phones. Dear God. How terribly ‘British’.

    The residents are criticising everyone and everything. This tragedy only happened a couple of days ago and yet they are moaning that they are still sleeping in gyms and community halls. How the hell do they expect to have new accommodation found for them within a couple of days? yet that’s what they are demanding. Unbelievable.

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  4. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    The bBBC 6 o’clock ‘news’ is parroting the Socialist Workers’ Party line that everyone in Kensington must be given a nice house.

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  5. gaxvil says:

    Some American woman on the bbc WS – “In a meeting or general conversation, if a MAN interrupts a WOMAN – it is SEXIST.”
    I hope you’re taking this in because with all the strife in the world tis issue should top the list!

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  6. An English Gentleman says:

    May bows to pressure again…..

    £5,000,000 for the victims of the fire…. What about the victims of London Bridge, Manchester, Westminster Bridge, Lee Rigby etc. , the list just goes on and on?

    I thought there would eventually be some gesture of appeasement from Treezer………….

    What a total disaster of leadership. What has happened to my Country?

    The bbbc have been subtly winding it up all day(in a very passive and independent way, of course) – just into the weekend by which time rentamob have had time to mobilise, smoke their cannabis, make their plans, et al and make their way to grenfell.

    I’m sure I cannot be correct but are there ANY native white English victims involved in this disaster?

    The whole incident is a perfect example why immigration should much more severely controlled… all of it has just been given away by successive governments in pursuance of political correctness.

    I truly despair….Is it me?

    Meanwhile, we have this ….
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40303300
    Already relegated to a minor spot on the bbbc website

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    • theisland says:

      English Gent
      No, it’s not just you. I cannot bear to watch BBC or Sky so have been getting all my info about the disgusting news coverage from this site.

      I am sick of all the sense of entitlement and victimhood that is rammed down our throats 24/7.

      The actions of our politicians etc. just have the effect of hardening one’s heart. That £5,000,000 would be better spent elsewhere.

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    • Oaknash says:

      Totally agree EG – Every time I switched R4 there seemed to be journalists acting as subtle and not so subtle catalysts giving justification for the BBC hoped for riots.

      If there are massed riots BBC and the MSM have achieved a double whammy.
      1 It helps to discredit May and gets Comrade Jess closer to Downing street
      and
      2 Its easy news footage and hopefully they will be able to win a few journalism awards for their coverage

      Whilst I am desperate to keep Corbyn away from an levers of power I have little sympathy for the Tories who had years to sort out the BBC but due to either political cowardice or some corrupt deal (associated maybe with brexit) and were totally unwilling to take these bastards on.
      Now they are biting the hand that feeds them (maybe scenting the possibility the weakness of the Tory Government) and it is very difficult for having any sympathy for them – unfortunately it us who will suffer, not the politicians if Corbyn gains power.

      It is amazing how thanks to outlets such as the BBC even fairly intelligent people have jumped on the bandwagon. At work today I had the snowflakes declaring it was all the fault of the Torries and Thatchaa , but these days I cannot even be bothered dignifying their kinder politics with any sort of response. They have decided that they are right and any sort of debate doesnt getting any further than the Torries and greed. Dont even bother suggesting that much of the housing crisis is due to ridiculous immigration figures.

      I suppose the BBC chickens are now coming home to roost it just a pity that political cowardliness of our strong and stable PM and chums may well be the spur to let Corbyn in and change our society forever as the migration floodgates are completely opened and our economy finally nosedives.

      And when it does go tits up will anyone dare say to the snowflakes – its what you voted for – I very much doubt it as it will always be someone else s fault!

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    • Oaknash says:

      Totally agree EG – Every time I switched R4 there seemed to be journalists acting as subtle and not so subtle catalysts giving justification for the BBC hoped for riots.

      If there are massed riots BBC and the MSM have achieved a double whammy.
      1 It helps to discredit May and gets Comrade Jess closer to Downing street
      and
      2 Its easy news footage and hopefully they will be able to win a few journalism awards for their coverage

      Whilst I am desperate to keep Corbyn away from an levers of power I have little sympathy for the Tories who had years to sort out the BBC but due to either political cowardice or some corrupt deal (associated maybe with brexit) and were totally unwilling to take these bastards on.
      Now they are biting the hand that feeds them (maybe scenting the possibility the weakness of the Tory Government) and it is very difficult for having any sympathy for them – unfortunately it us who will suffer, not the politicians if Corbyn gains power.

      It is amazing how thanks to outlets such as the BBC even fairly intelligent people have jumped on the bandwagon. At work today I had the snowflakes declaring it was all the fault of the Torries and Thatchaa , but these days I cannot even be bothered dignifying their kinder politics with any sort of response. They have decided that they are right and any sort of debate doesnt getting any further than the Torries and greed. Dont even bother suggesting that much of the housing crisis is due to ridiculous immigration figures.

      I suppose the BBC chickens are now coming home to roost it just a pity that political cowardliness of our strong and stable PM and chums may well be the spur to let Corbyn in and change our society forever as the migration floodgates are completely opened and our economy finally nosedives.

      And when it does go tits up will anyone dare say to the snowflakes – its what you voted for – I very much doubt it as it will always be someone else s fault!

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        Can only imagine the BBC and its Remainiacs will now insist on a cold hard clear Brexit, so we can take out some of our impotent rage on Barnier the Dinosaur and his EU jail nonces in Brussels.
        It would be “regrettable” if they all chose to clamber over all these dead charred bodies, only to lock us into the burning inferno that is the Euro.
        No-we need OUT of the EU.
        Bet it was their fire regs that failed to save these people, I`d blame the French just to annoy the likes of Mandelson.
        About time WE got nasty and personal back with the Remoaners, using the dead to stop us leaving.
        Had we any borders, at least we`d have some names to the DNA by now.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      The BBC said this morning that there would be a lunchtime “Service Of Hope”. I did wonder which of all the current media causes that THIS one would be for. Manchester?…Westminster?…Grenfell?…
      Turned out to be London Bridge, but what a country we now are.
      It being Friday-suppose there`s no chance of Regents Park Mosque or East London leading a “Prayers for the butchered kuffar” kind of event is there?
      You know? Show that empathy and use the same fatuous gestures that WE use at times like these?
      Won`t hold my breath.
      At least the Muslims are clear-they despise us, when it ought to be the liberal media and our craven political class they need to look at .
      We`ve got a belly full of this now-be unwise to push it Progressives.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Precedent. Wonderful thing. Except in the wrong hands.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      ……but are there ANY native white English victims involved in this disaster?…..

      Apparently an 84 year old lady – Sheila Smith. Like I mentioned in an earlier post – Smith was once THE commonest of names in Britain, now like most things from Ye Olde England its just a blast from the past !!

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  7. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    The bBBC’s Reality Check very clearly shows that Corbyn’s idea of the government requisitioning homes is illegal except in wartime. Of course Labour thinks we are at war … class-war.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40303142

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Any of those liberal media cockroaches inviting their tear-toting grumps over to Hampstead or Shoreditch this weekend then?
      Jo Cox cook outs and sleepathons?
      And what about that empty BBC studio on Wood Lane?
      Let`s get creative media types?

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  8. theisland says:

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    • An English Gentleman says:

      the Island….

      Thanks for this post. I don’t suppose Nige wants to take up the reigns?

      That would be a pipe dream

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  9. Alicia Sinclair says:

    I see that the media ARE learning.
    Noting that Krishnan(C4) and Charleen(ITV) both have that quiet Baghdad palm tree backdrop behind them as they do their pieces to camera.
    No more noisy crowds, getting jostled for THEM
    That`s only for gauche Tories or flustered councillors we`ve yet to meet. No Krishnan won`t be meeting the plebs this time. Must be due to Lady Jon Snow gaily sailing through the unwashed and unpleasant ingrates last night.
    NOT how Sir Jon expects to be treated is it?
    Nose gay in hand, hoping for a picture on the next £10 note, dreaming of meeting a real local resident-one of our own, Lily Allen!
    Given how calm and nice it all is for Channel 4 and ITV now?
    Maybe the media will leave off eh?
    I jest.

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    • Fedup says:

      Alicia ,
      Reckon lord snow has gone off to top up his tan . Shows the power of relentless al beeb al c4 lefty propaganda across 3 days that west London is about to have a full scale riot .

      David Lamy , obviously after a job in the Corbin cabinet , did the whole welfare state speach without challenge. Personally I no longer believe in the welfare state . That started to fall apart in the 60s after the rights and duties basic of Beveridge fell apart and just became ‘rights’.

      People still expect to be spoon fed by the State but I know that when you need it most it won’t be there. We must look after ourselves . And now I think that’s the way it should be. You won’t hear this on al beeb .

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        Quite right Fedup; the welfare state was meant to be a safety net and not the hammock it has become.

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        • Kaiser says:

          open borders , welfare state, make your choice you can only have 1

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          • Rick Bradford says:

            One of the reasons that people expect to be spoon-fed by the State is the relentless promotion of group identity politics and the Victim/Oppressor narrative.

            If you’re black, a woman, gay etc, you are told you are a Victim whose injustice can only be redressed by the state. The agenda is clear; stop people thinking that they are individuals with responsibility for themselves and the ability to better themselves through their own efforts.

            Thus you create a permanent underclass whose needs must be supplied by the State, which is run by your friendly self-styled elites.

            The only people not in the underclass are the Oppressors – white men, Christian heterosexuals, and they’re all fascists and bigots anyway, right?

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        What`s getting my goat are all these wise after the event hacks.
        Not ONE of them gave a damn about any fire in my lifetime.
        That one in Camberwell?…who remembers any fuss about THAT on Channel 4 or the BBC?
        If it`s not New Cross or Blair Peach, these lefty hacks didn`t want to know until now.
        They make me sick. Maybe if they`d stopped trying to get May to sign letters to Trump, stopped hounding Trump and his Russian crap?
        Then maybe they could have done a Panorama Special on Gavin Barwells failure to sign off on the National Building Regs on 1986-great telly, I`m sure.
        All this before we`ve even got the bodies. The Greens and Islam, illegal migration and the role of Blairs mob 97-10 will NOT be getting looked at.
        You want pretty eco-friendly gestures on the cheap, you want cheap nannies at an hours notice, you want Ramadan cook outs with far more people there and open doors…then maybe the same creeps trying to get May out and the EU off the hook may yet get a nasty blowback from all this.
        Had enough, DVDs until Snow gets a kicking.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          AS, it appears that the difference is that this is Kensington and Chelsea, introduced on Radio 4 today (possibly/probably incorrectly) as the richest Borough in Britain.

          It isn’t a Labour-run, south-east London Borough.

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  10. Al Shubtill says:

    I’ve just watched the first of the four, hour long, interviews which Oliver Stone did with Vladimir Putin – what I wouldn’t give for his equivalent as leader, here in Britain right now.

    Here is the first one from YouTube, it is a very interesting watch.

    https://youtu.be/EuxmPaNZmik

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    • Wild says:

      Putin is a murdering gangster. Be careful for what you wish for, because you might get it.

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        “Putin is a murdering gangster. Be careful what you wish for.”

        That depends on who he’s “murdering” doesn’t it? I have thought about it, and from what I’ve seen of the last two months here in Britain, we could do with a bit of “murdering” on behalf of the state here.

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        • Kaiser says:

          Duterte now theres a president who knows how to deal with scum

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          • Alicia Sinclair says:

            At least he knows that he and his country are in an existentail war to the end with islam. And its poncing preening little helpers in the west like the EU and John Kerry
            . Don`t have to like him, but I respect his willingness to fight to save his complex country from Conchita Wurst and the likes of Sandi Toksvig.

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        • Tom_Kenny says:

          Who would you like the state to murder, Al?

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          • Al Shubtill says:

            Those who are seeking to destroy our country and murder / maim its people.

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        • MarkyMark says:

          Putin seems to close to Turkey. Erdogan says he dislikes and detests everything outside his religious view, try to negotiate with that – I’ll help you out, you can’t. We believe these are rational actors but I see them as clones of Kim Jong Un whose dead father is still in charge of Korea – happy fathers day soon.
          Can we start believing what they say please, repeat it openly to the public … we are becoming scared to face the world as it is. We are hidding behind twisted words and views.

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  11. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Here we go then.
    I`d be very surprised if the Left and BBC etc are not behind this “oh-so-spontaneous” march that is getting fed on all live media at the moment.
    It`s as if we didn`t see how a Mark Duggan or an Occupy can be whipped up on Facebook etc. And now this is where we are. Where a Mark Duggan can walk cockily down Wood Green High St…whereas our elected Prime Minister has to rush to her car between a church and her car on Latimer Grove.

    And all these experts, angry crowds and media shouties.
    Like the “Bow Doors” DIY Nautical experts in 1987.
    But at least we had to wait until the weekend to see it all . This emoting ignorance as bodies have not yet been gathered or identified is really dangerous.
    Noted Jonathan Dimbleby allocate his balem on the Tories , but failing to support the audiences wish for those with a few houses to give them to the Grenfell homeless.
    Needs a follow up question.

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  12. StewGreen says:

    @MarkyMark 1:55pm asked about stealth edits to
    BBC page : London fire: Protests grow as fire anger increases
    NewSniffer shows they are up to version 18
    https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1400743/diff/17/18

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    • MarkyMark says:

      The most important link for today and the future! StewGreen’s referral to newssniffer.co.uk – where you can see how news is edited online over time – independently of the reporting organisation such as the BBC.

      You can edit the url to compare different version which is amazing – so see the differences.
      This compares version 17 and 18 – https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1400743/diff/17/18
      Change the 17 in the link to 0 and you get to see all changes from original to one specified.
      This compares version 0 (original) and 18 – https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1400743/diff/0/18

      And I found this within 2 minutes, is this good reporting?
      “Young Muslim Americans Are Feeling the Strain of Suspicion” nytimes / Dec 14, 2015 10:18 (UTC)
      https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1064477/diff/0/2

      “…and Donald J. Trump’s proposal to block the entry of all Muslims into the United States.”
      – ALL! Everyone! All 1.6 billion Muslims! Anyone who utters the Shahada (Islamic testimony) is banned from the USA, 8 words/sounds and that’s it – banned.

      How many Israeli Jews allowed in majority Muslim countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia? It’s a big round figure of … 0. NONE! Now that is a real ‘All’!
      Now that’s an inclusive Muslim society.

      Muslim countries that ban (16) Israeli Jews is Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen ,Libya ,Algeria ,Bangladesh ,Brunei ,Kuwait ,Lebanon ,Malaysia ,Oman ,Pakistan ,Sudan ,Saudi Arabia ,United Arab Emirates. [dailywire / Feb2017]

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  13. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Public Order Act 1986
    Harassment, alarm or distress.
    (1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
    (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
    (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive],within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/5#commentary-key-f5820f6be880330067a694c379b4e178

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  14. Lucy Pevensey says:

    This Sunday up to 1,000 sympathisers of a terror organisation will march through London with impunity. Protesters at this ‘Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day Rally’ will raise the flag of the anti-Semitic, sectarian shia-jihadist group Hezbollah, while the London Metropolitan Police protect them.
    The rally’s organisers at the so-called Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) have brazenly issued guidelines encouraging protesters to display the flag.
    Coming just under two weeks since it was revealed to public incredulity that London bridge terrorist Khurram Butt had flown the ISIS flag without consequence on a television documentary, our impotency in the face of terrorist propaganda will once again be mocked. The Hezbollah flag bears the words “Party of Allah” in Arabic, along with a dagger and a raised fist clenching an assault rifle.
    Hezbollah_Flag.jpg

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    • Kaiser says:

      Islamic Human Rights Commission lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao

      the smallest commission in the world

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Will get my boy to put this on the Moonpig Fathers Day card on Sunday.
      He likes hunting and fishing.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Not long before the kids will be joining in London’s Al-Quds marches …
      Pakistani Shiite Muslims children hold toy guns during a rally to protest against Israel and US policy in the middle east, to mark the Al-Quds (Jerusalem day), in Karachi, Pakistan, 25 July 2014. Many Muslim countries mark Al-Quds day, an annual day of protest decreed in 1979 by the late Iranian ruler Ayatollah Khomeini, on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan. The day is celebrated in a move to express support for the Palestinian people and their resistance against Israeli occupation.

      600_werc8rx6mwp1wiapbizatnw0vodel2kv.jpg
      – courtesy of http://www.vosizneias.com/news/photos/view/265922190

      Interesting to see that the Ayatollah Khomeini (died 06Jun1989) is still revered in countries like Iran where of the 79 million people 99.4% are Muslim (as of 2011) – do all Muslims celebrate Al-Quds?

      Happy-Al-Quds.jpg
      “Muslim Anti-Semites March In Toronto On Al-Quds Day 2015”

      Happy Al-Quds Everyone!

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  15. CranbrookPhil says:

    Goodness it is relentless! Howard Jacobson spitting bile & hatred again on Radio 4. What a creep.

    Why can’t we now have a few people from the right such as Roger Scruton or Philip Blond on the BBC like we did a few years ago before the BBC drive to ‘destroy the Tories’ got set in motion?

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    • Wild says:

      What was he saying?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Agree, CP. I turned OFF about two minutes in. I normally listen to his pieces and usually enjoy them, often agree with much he writes.

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  16. taffman says:

    “UK to agree Brexit ‘divorce bill’ before trade talks, EU sources say”
    Interesting HYS running on this one………………
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40303761

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Am in process of having a look, taffman. Thanks.

      Pic on page has made me a bit nervous though. David Davies is starting to look worryingly like Julian Assange.

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  17. EnglandExpects says:

    Those of us who expect a civil war thanks to mass immigration might be seeing it start early thanks to Corbyn, McDonnell, the SWP and other nasties hiding behind the Momentum banner. The role of a PM is not to grandstand and cry in public, its to organise what should be happening in the higher echelons of government . Too many people in this county have bought into emoting and celebrity ‘I’m with you ‘ virtue signalling . Corbyn is like a festering virus , trying to make a combustible mix of all this. Well let McDonnell try to get his 1 million on the streets, storm Downing St etc. Bring it on, get the army in and lets finish these left wing vermin once and for all. Then lets have a suitable repatriation policy for the ghetto dwelling millions we have let in.

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  18. Thoughtful says:

    Just thought I’d share the love:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3683196/Lily-Allen-backtracks-claims-tax-bill-meant-sell-Cotswolds-house.html

    So not only does the witch not want to house those she wants here, but she doesn’t want to pay the tiny amount of tax she as to pay either !

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    • Kaiser says:

      ahh dont we all love a hypocrite

      publish all tax returns on the internet i say

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Jon Snow introduced her as a “local resident”.
      Posh kid, Cotswolds house, misfit unfunny drug-addled dad.
      Private school, likes refugees but not enough to actually have themn in her house.
      Or houses.
      Yes indeed-very much a Kensington and Chelsea local, representative of Jon Snows class.
      To be fair, at least she can converse in Estuary English like the RADA class of 2009.
      Her fellow residents and victims need to get acting, faking, taking drugs and pretending to be Eliza Doolittle.
      And get a few unearned millions, even pay their taxes.
      Bye Lily…

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  19. Cranmer says:

    I’m not disgusted, to be honest, at the anger of those who have lost loved ones and homes, particularly as most of them seem to come from countries where violence is the norm and where terrific bloodshed can occur in moments merely on the basis of rumour.

    I’m not disgusted by the hijacking of the fire by the anti-fascist blackshirts, or the political capitalisation of it by Labour. Again, that’s just par for the course with them.

    What does disgust me is that dozens of people are killed by radical Islamists in recent weeks but nobody tried to storm 10 Downing Street, nobody heckled the Prime Minister, nobody protested outside the BBC, nobody marched through the streets. Nobody demanded ‘answers’ or held up signs saying ‘livid’. Nothing. A march in Manchester took place, to be fair, but was hijacked by the blackshirts and deliberately ignored or distorted by the media.

    Nobody did this, not because they don’t care, but because they know that they will not be listened to, and their message will be ignored or twisted; they may even lose everything if they are shown to be ‘racist’. We are simply told to accept it, to keep calm and carry on, that it won’t ‘change us’.

    Yet a few hundred immigrants, their ranks swelled by professional troublemakers, march, shout and jostle, and we are told the government must fall because of it.

    We now know whose side the establishment is on, if there was ever any doubt.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Noted four kids were buried/cremated yesterday. A couple of teenage sweethearts up in South Shields, a couple from near Manchester.
      No media interest whatsoever in the normal teenage Geordie couple. No they weren`t eight, not gay and not met Celine or had a tweet from Ariana. So-well, a bit boring, straight and -well, normal.
      And , with all due respect to the geordie nation…South Shields is not Local Hero backdrop material is it?
      So, there you are.
      Some deaths suit the BBC.
      Others less so,
      Maybe they`ll vote to stay in the EU in future eh Brendan?

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  20. StewGreen says:

    Tonight the 2 hour Channel 4 tearfest for St Jo Cox will include a lengthy prayer segment in support of Steve Scales and the other shot Congressmen
    And the shooter “James T. Hodgkinson who Belonged to ‘Terminate the Republican Party’ Facebook Group ”
    will be named a terrorist just as Jo Coxes killer or just mad killer .

    Yeh right Despite Brendan Coxes #MoreInCommon hashtag, the Congressmen were not in the right tribe to deserve sympathy.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/14/report-james-t-hodgkinson-shooting-suspect-belonged-terminate-republicans-group/

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    • StewGreen says:

      I bet there is a special edition of BBCTrending on the issue

      Guess not

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    • EnglandExpects says:

      I think this whole thing is a cynical attempt by Brendan Cox to resurrect his career and sell his book after the charity groping debacle . Despite being promoted by BBC C4 and even the Mail, I simply do not find Cox a sincere individual .

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      • Lock13 says:

        By all accounts they were a pretty horrible couple – I bet turn out will be high at the picnics tomorrow – I mean honestly who gives a flying t@SS

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        • Kaiser says:

          shouldn’t we have some form of remembrance of lee rigbys death or was that the one organised by our muzzie freinds

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        • Mrs Kitty says:

          I’m sorry that her young children lost their mother but a woman who takes her children in a small dingy to interfere in the legitimate protest by British fishermen is lower than a bottom feeding fish. What has amused me is her sexually molesting husband has arranged the BBQs and parties for this weekend, 18 th June anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo on Sunday Mr Kitty and myself will be raising a glass or two to Arthur and not thinking of St Jo at all.

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  21. BRISSLES says:

    According to reports, everyone from the fire who are in hospital have been identified. So, those who aren’t alive or in hospital are listed as ‘missing’. Well, unless they’ve legged it, doesn’t it seem feasible that they have died ? Yet there are photos of the ‘missing’ being posted by their families; with cries of ‘we aren’t being told nuffink’. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence must realise that the fire brigade have already reported that it will take a few weeks before all those who have died will be brought out of the building – and will need dental checks for ID purposes. Posting photographs won’t bring them back. Sadly its a waiting process for both rehoming and having the funerals of their loved ones, – us English know that, those who aren’t have other agendas.

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    • StewGreen says:

      ” legged it” yes it’s possible that some of the missing 70from Grenwell Tower were illegal immigrants who “legged it”.

         19 likes

  22. Lock13 says:

    So where are we BBC?
    We have our kids being blown up at pop concerts by blokes with beards
    We have people out enjoying a pint on Saturday night being run over and carved up by blokes with beards with machetes
    We have fires in three tower blocks in London this week – my money is on blokes with beards
    We have a party that lost the election and is now asking people to riot on the streets led by a communist with a different type of beard

    … and you our National Broadcaster appears to be firmly against the indigenous population of these fine Isles

    Do you think because you are all lefties and a bit limp wristed you will be spared the horrors of rioting and civil war .

    Grow a fkking backbone BBC and start telling the truth and representing the English people – this is England remember

       58 likes

    • EnglandExpects says:

      Well said !

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    • Cranmer says:

      Lock13, I understand that the Grenfell protestors spent some time outside the BBC tonight. I’m assuming they behaved well and were there to get their message across to the nation (as if they needed to bother) but I hope it caused a few tightened sphincters among the staff.

         24 likes

      • Lock13 says:

        Exactly Cranmer – this will get too close for comfort if it kicks off . I was talking to work colleagues today (well off blokes) who live in Kensington and Wimbledon and they are feeling very uneasy living in London now . BBC traitors in our midst – do they think they will be treated differently by the mob (half of whom can’t speak a lick of English and are fairly indiscriminate with a lorry or a machete)

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        • Cranmer says:

          Lock13, look at the way the Grenfell crowd are behaving. Now remember that, despite a few rumours that the fire is part of a plot to gentrify ‘their’ part of London, and longstanding complaints about fire safety, at this stage as far as we know it could just be a terrible accident.

          Now imagine what those crowds would be like all over London, in Bradford, Rotherham, Birmingham, etc etc if there was any kind of strong national response to the terror attacks – eg, enforced deportations, mass arrests of jihadi suspects etc. If those people genuinely started to feel ‘discriminated’ against, with the traitor blackshirts whipping them up in the hope of fomenting a revolution.

          Doesn’t bear thinking about, does it? I now realise this is why the government does nothing about terrorism. The alternative is to risk Grenfell protests x100, in every major British city.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Cranmer, good points.

            It also doesn’t bear thinking about for ten, fifteen, twenty years into the future when terrorism has been ongoing at intervals, Brexit has been bodged, the EU is in a shambles (or is a dictatorship) and global warming and climate change have failed to make their presence felt.

            Bread and circuses will not be sufficient to keep people happy.

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          • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

            Successive Governments seem to have accepted (since the 80’s Brixton Riots maybe?) that a sort of welfare and endemic crime Danegeld must be paid to keep some semblance of civil order in the big cities.

            They have little appetite for even feeble attempts to restrict immigration, let alone deportations. And with more and more arrivals I can certainly see a future where our inner cities are carved up into separate ethnic enclaves. Until the welfare bill runs out, and the UK looks like just any other third world country..then the real fun begins.

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        • Guest Who says:

          It may be dawning on even the one track minds of BBC staff that they are in the thick of their own narrative.

          Reminds me of those idle leisure classes who packed a picnic to sit on a (Notting) Hill to watch armies slaughter each other.

          Trouble is, one army no long plays by the rules, or stays in the designated area. Or are too concerned by the ideological support of the average Evan or Owen if caught in the open.

          Rather glad I moved my family to the shires.

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  23. StewGreen says:

    BBC Trending showed there politics by tweeting this not just once but THREE times

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  24. StewGreen says:

    BbcTrending highlights Facebook phenomenon of Corbyn filter bubbles
    (I previously mentioned my R4 Facebook group screen always pushing Corbyn propaganda groups at me)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40209711
    corbynpropaganda2.jpg

       10 likes

  25. EnglandExpects says:

    I hope part of the Tory fight back against Corbyn and momentum will be to use Facebook more widely and to infiltrate the closed groups referred to. Know thine enemy.

       11 likes

  26. Thoughtful says:

    Well the Manchester Muslim it wasn’t really a Muslim suicide bomb had a theme song of don’t look back in anger, I suggested if you tolerate this would have been better, well given all the allegations I have these suggestions:

       5 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      Videos shown are 50% black. 50% white – Warning Diversity failure! Warning Diversity failure!

         2 likes

  27. Charlie Martel says:

    The lynch mob are baying for blood. “Someone must pay” scream the headlines.
    The Left (including bbc of course) trying to pin it on May, the Tories and the ‘rich’, natch.
    Yet the whole tower block thing used to be the Left’s wet dream: get an underclass of thousands of multi-cultural benefit-dependants and stuff them in soul-less boxes, and hey presto, a guaranteed source of Labour voters for generations to come.
    Well, they wanted a melting pot, on Wednesday they got it.

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    • Kaiser says:

      i shouldn’t giggle at that

      tut tut my bad off to the cop shop to hand myself in for hate thought

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  28. Dave OMG says:

    Just caught this little beauty before someone thought better of it and rephrased:

    It was…

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170616202906/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40308834

    Headline: Three Palestinians killed after deadly stabbing in Jerusalem

    Now…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40308834

    Headline: Israeli policewoman stabbed to death in Jerusalem

       18 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      NewsSniffer caught the changes here
      You gave versions 0 and 2
      Version 0 : Three Palestinians killed after deadly stabbing in Jerusalem
      Version 1 : Israeli policewoman killed before Palestinian attackers shot
      Version 2 : Israeli policewoman stabbed to death in Jerusalem
      https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1401263/diff/0/1

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      • Kaiser says:

        now lets just imagine

        islamic governments in france and britain , europe’s nuclear powers

        trident making its way to the middle east

        america defending an attacked israel

        its not really that much of a leap is it?

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      • Guest Who says:

        BBC Editorial integrity as it ‘evolves’.

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  29. BRISSLES says:

    Who’d be the Prime Minister ? not many would want to be in her shoes..
    Fighting the Brexit corner
    Listening to others and calling an election
    The misery of knowing you cocked it up
    The Manchester bombing
    Westminster atrocity
    a hell of a fire to deal with,
    and getting called every derogatory name under the sun

    To be fair, no other prime minister has ever had so many dramas to deal within the space of a few weeks. I wouldn’t blame her if she thought ‘fuck the lot of you and get someone else to sort this mess out’. The thing is, like her or not, WHO else is there ?

       42 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      With you there Brissels.
      My husband would pull me out of the ring if I was looking as tired and unhappy as she is. Feel for her, the Left won`t rest until they see some Tory bodies.
      The Left have their Brownshirts, all we`ve got is some vague notion of hoping they`ll be kind to us.
      Poor woman really needs some Ridleys, Tebbits, Lawsons; a few blokes who believe and will not put up with this bile and endless agitprop.
      Where are you?

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Am left wondering whether Theresa May is somewhere on the autistic spectrum or has a form of Aspergers Syndrome. Capable of running a Ministry and focusing on one job but overwhelmed by the requirements of being PM. The interview with Emily Maitlis – clip played on the TOADY Programme this a.m. – appeared to be quite revealing.

        Think she’ll be gone by the end of the Party Conference unless events intervene.

        It’s also beginning to look like that she has made another poor choice for her Chief of Staff. The woes are piling up.

        I feel for her, too. The GE fiasco was not totally her fault except in a way it was: poor choice of back office people from the outset and – guess what – not listening to people in her Party long before the GE was called. Her Cabinet have deserted her. They let her go to a 1922 Committee meeting to apologise and keep going in Government. That is morally wrong but worse, it is politically wrong and overlooks the key fact; the Government (all of it) is meant to be working for us, all of us.

        This is all happening in the middle of the EU Negotiations. It is not just Kensington & Chelsea housing tenants who are getting angry.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      When you’re a Tory none of this matters in fact the only thing which matters is money.

      That’s it

      The only thing Theresa May believes in.

      Keeping tax low

      Nothing else

      There is

      Nothing else

      No other policies

      no passion
      no belief
      no anger

      Just desperately
      hanging on
      as long as you can
      to make
      as much money
      as possible
      in the shortest possible time.

      That’s it

      The Tory Manifesto summed up

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Thoughtful, so who do suggest runs the country ?

        Its the old adage ; don’t bring me problems (we all know them), give me the solution !

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Thoughtful, the Tory belief is in an unproven economic model with misunderstood subsequent data from across the Atlantic. Something overheard by a White House staffer of the Reagan era after a boozy lunch between an economist and, if I recall correctly, a photographer.

          The staffer took it to his boss. His boss then took it to his boss. His boss then took it to the President.

          The President liked it.

          And hence the Laffer Curve suddenly became proven 101% scientific fact.

          Bogus fact. But 101% proof. Bogus but very, very scientific. Scientific if you can’t do math, don’t know your way round the tax code and don’t know how and why people get paid, how they pay or do not pay tax, what it costs them and their other costs of living.

             0 likes

      • Jo says:

        “When you’re a Tory none of this matters in fact the only thing which matters is money.”

        When you’re Labour, the only thing that matters is other people’s money.

           17 likes

        • Guest Who says:

          Or their houses. Unless you are Yvette Cooper, who is exempt. Apparently.

             14 likes

    • Lock13 says:

      Gove and Rees-Mogg?

         15 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        TAX LOW who the fook are we kidding

        though saying that the number of people who say we only pay 20% we could ……

        sheep brainless sheep

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        • Lobster says:

          The trouble is that there are too few people to pay the taxes that are required to subsidise the many – particularly all those “engineers” and “brain surgeons” who contribute Jack Shit. I would love to see the annual benefits bill paid into Grenfell Tower.

             19 likes

          • Jo says:

            “I would love to see the annual benefits bill paid into Grenfell Tower.”

            No you wouldn’t. Really, you wouldn’t.

               12 likes

            • MarkyMark says:

              Ah, the use of words. ‘benefit bill’ – sounds good even when its bad!

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    • Jo says:

      Well said.

      We’re in danger of talking ourselves into a Labour government if we’re not careful, and then we’ll truly understand the meaning of incompetent. Words like “vindictive” also spring to mind.

      So far as this damn fire is concerned, many of the protesters don’t seem to want to talk to anyone, they want to scream, shout and squeal. I wouldn’t be surprised if May was strongly advised to stay away for security reasons. Very different to the reaction from friends and relatives of Manchester and London Bridge Muslim murder victims; they have questions too.

      At least there was one intelligent comment on Sky this morning. It was pointed out that in a housing crisis, you don’t have spare property just sitting around in the same borough waiting for disaster victims.

      With saturation coverage, endless intemperate demands and accusations, and a few silly conspiracy theories, I think some public opinion might start to turn. People begin to remember that this is not the first major disaster and won’t be the last.

      Stupid, inexplicable, incompetent and bad things happen. They just do. Only this morning it was reported that a cargo vessel has rammed a modern US Navy warship. In 2017? Not suggesting that this is nearly as serious, but it shouldn’t have happened. I blame Trump.

         19 likes

  30. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Never let a good death go by without pinning your lefty tail on the ripening corpse.
    Heard Matt Frei on Channel 4 News manage to trash Mrs Thatcher, using the death of Helmut Kohl to do so.
    As well as sneer at his death in comparison to Mrs Merkels stature of today.
    Feminism and fascism must meet somewhere in Channel 4s rather sick mock ups of “news items”.
    Won`t bore you with his details, but you`ll guess that one started wars and failed to unite Germany. And Merkel is quite right to trash our country in the coming talks because Kohl was a big man, whereas Thatch was…well , no better than Grenfell bodybags. I just wonder the malice, the drugs and the Webmaster in the Channel 4 Dungeon who could concoct this frankly-sick and deviant world view of theirs.
    The poor guys dead, did his bit and his family will mourn. Matt Frei sees it as yet another excuse to keep us in the EU and bring Thatchers urn back for a show trial.
    Sick.

       30 likes

    • Wild says:

      Matt Frei really is an odious shit isn’t he, with no discernible redeeming features. He makes Jon Snow look principled.

         30 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Wild, didn’t used to be but back then he was new at the BBC (fresh from the DT?) so we know who to blame there. Indoctrination had not been completed.

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    • ID says:

      Kohl always used to say he had the “Gnade der späten Geburt”. After his protégé, Merkel’s attempt at the islamification of Europe, many are saying that they will have the “Gnade des frühen Todes”

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  31. EnglandExpects says:

    Newsnight stirring things up as much as it can. Embedded reporter, one scruff called John Sweeney, forecasting civil insurrection , saying it’s toxic for May etc

       20 likes

    • Wild says:

      Oh yes the shouty one who lost his temper in that documentary about Scientology. A cauldron of anger and resentment that one.

         23 likes

    • Tabs says:

      Sweeney was spot on when he got heckled and said “did you hear that? The BBC is not popular”. Oh boy was he right!

      A bit later on Emily Matliss is interviewing a group of people about their voting (and of course how many would vote Labour now if there was another election today i.e. more of them would now vote Labour and less would vote Tory again). One young lad looked a bloody mess, ring through his nose, unwashed hair, ripped trousers and he was moaning about not being old enough to vote in the EU referendum and couldn’t decide his own future. Well judging by his appearance I can see he will be unemployed for a very long time. His future is bleak but it has nothing to do with Brexit or the Tory party.

         44 likes

      • EnglandExpects says:

        I’ve stopped watching Newsnight, just checked in for PM interview . It’s just like a scurrilous lefty rag now. What a decline from its earlier days . Plummeting viewing figures, can’t the BBC see beyond their bias that they are trashing the brand?
        Surely the Tories must , after this fire episode , get some backbone and sort the BBC out instead of running scared of it.

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      • StewGreen says:

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        • StewGreen says:

          New Labour MP was on that planning committee
          https://twitter.com/thatcherlover/status/875830767196221440

             16 likes

        • Dave S says:

          In the USA the media is desperately trying to bring down President Trump. It is so obvious and will fail. The media does not accept that he is a legitimate President. We need no further evidence of the BBC’s attitude to Mr Trump than every bloody comedy show and every news item.
          Here we have a similar situation. The BBC/Guardian are in the van will not accept the Brexit vote as legitimate and Mrs May as PM. They are very close to succeeding in suggesting that violent means is legitimate in order to install Corbyn as PM.
          Not by directly suggesting this but by giving weight to those who want it and endlessly focussing on the need for blame to be directed at the present government.
          This is a serious charge and for our tax funded broadcaster to use it’s power to destabalise a nation is a serious as it gets. Some of the vituperation directed at Mrs May is beyond comprehension and irrational. The BBC is descending into irrationality apace and I doubt it can ever recover it’s reputation.
          Compare and contrast it’s current behaviour with the behaviour when Manchester’s young people were slaughtered.
          We are not fools and I hope those who count are noticing.

             39 likes

        • Guest Who says:

          Feelings are a major BBC skill set. His editor seems positively chipper; clearly having the time of his life [thoughts and prayers inc.]:

             9 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Wasn’t he the one the BBC allowed to risk the lives of a bunch of dopey academics in N. Korea?

      While there, he might have reflected on how it is not long before the guys in charge move from storming offices and requisitioning property to stringing up journalists. Or using them as Bofors practice or Fido diet supplements.

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  32. Tabs says:

    Queen honours Westminster attack PC Keith Palmer for bravery
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40291724

    They not only managed to squeeze in an award related Jo Cox but “The honours list is being hailed as the most diverse ever.”
    Of the 1,109 recipients, half are female, 6.5% have a disability, three-quarters undertake work in their communities, and 10% are from a Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) background.
    Among them are musician Chi-chi Nwanoku, who set up a foundation to help provide career opportunities for young BAME classical musicians (OBE), and Nitin Palan, who co-founded the annual Diwali On Trafalgar Square event, who is made an MBE for services to interfaith relations.

    These awards are a farce year on year but the “BAME” and diversity statistics proves these awards are not based on merit but instead based on ticking boxes.

       29 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      So diverse people, get awards for being diverse and helping create more diversity and then we applaud the awards for being diverse. Now, at what point are they diverse enough. When will the BBC and the diverse advocates be happy? When is “Enough is Enough”.
      Is this the final goal : 25% Female – 25% BAME – 25% Gay – 25% Transgender. (No Men)

      I just ask so I know who to help in these dire diverse times.

      If the goal is to give opportunity and options to those less well off and fewer chances in life then why not push for that agenda rather than grouping people by race or disability?

      I see that Gypsies are under-represented in this list and I take offence that more isn’t done for them.
      They are the true minority at only 0.1% of the country – talk about not being inclusive.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom

         13 likes

    • theisland says:

      Agreed – a travesty.

      There are many corrupt ‘public servants’ past and present who should be stripped of their ‘honours’ and, in most cases, imprisoned.

      Disgusting lefty Rowling has been awarded Order of the Companion of Honour in these awards.

      On a similar subject – crooked Clarke now has the grand title of ‘Father of the House’ – much lauding and back slapping all round in the HoC. No doubt this is why he stood for re-election. Apparently this is also the most ‘diverse’ parliament ever. Hurrah.

      At least Dambuster Johnny Johnson has been awarded an MBE, which as we all know should have been a knighthood.

         12 likes

      • Jo says:

        “Old fart of the house” ?

           4 likes

        • Up2snuff says:

          Jo, indeed.

          Clarke was interesting on Any Questions (R4 repeat 1.15pm today) last night, markedly less phlaphoffle floffall than normal. Is that because he thinks that the Remain campaigners are now driving the Government agenda?

          Also interesting was the appearance of Ash Sarkar, who I’m led to believe is a Muslim anarchist supporter of LGBT rights. Quite how she reconciles those three contradictions might be interesting to hear. Missed the first two minutes so Jonathan Dimbleby may have asked her. Or not. Strange, because he asks most of the questions these days.

          Think the programme should be renamed.

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  33. Payne by name says:

    Just saw May on Newsnight being told that people are angry and its her fault. How is this May’s fault or the government? Successive govs and people have wanted to continually dilute power by introducing every greater layers of bureaucracy.

    Surely this is the councils problem or even the Mayor’s. I’m sorry but my sympathy has evaporated. It’s just a sea of ‘the world owes me a living and 5 hot meals a day’ beggars scrambling for their share of some loot and the now created expectation that they might be able to squat in a mansion.

    These tower blocks are awful places to live because of the awful people that live in them. These aren’t salt of the earth ‘missed their one opportunity’ endlessly smiling community contributors and seeing their rampaging opportunism for some more free shit because they feel even more entitled is getting on my tits.

       58 likes

    • G.Shuttleworth says:

      I have every sympathy for those affected by this horrific event. But that tower block should never have been built and nor has it ever been Britain’s responsibility to house the people who were living in it.

         29 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        We don’t know until the fire experts report.
        ..Don’t let the media brainwash you and set the agenda
        .. Rushing makes bad policy

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    • Kaiser says:

      hey up kensington had a liebour mp since last week, its their fault now surely

         18 likes

      • taffman says:

        Kieser
        Perhaps Maxincony will give you an answer to that ?
        He is on duty now .

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    • maxincony says:

      Payne by name,

      I’m sorry but my sympathy has evaporated. It’s just a sea of ‘the world owes me a living and 5 hot meals a day’ beggars scrambling for their share of some loot…

      Hell yeah; fucking burnt to death greedy bastards.

         9 likes

      • Peter Grimes says:

        MaxInfamy – how many immigrants will ever contribute the £10.5k pa average per capita government spend on them? In a lifetime!!

        Click to access The-Brexit-Papers-7-The-£30bn-cost-of-EU-migration-FINAL.pdf

        Same goes for all of the third world immigrants living off the state in K&C.

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      • G says:

        Who has been “burnt to death”? Would you care to hazard a guess at the numbers of illegals “burnt to death?

           9 likes

      • taffman says:

        Maxincony
        Why do you post here?
        Have you no example of Bias to offer, right or left?
        No answer? Your use of foul language……….
        I have come to the conclusion that you are a ‘TROLL’, very much like Scott.

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    • Jo says:

      “These tower blocks are awful places to live because of the awful people that live in them. ”

      True – people make slums.

      Years ago I used to use the Barbican estate in the City of London as a shortcut. I believe Arthur Scargill had a flat there. 1960s brutalist architecture at its worst, with three tower blocks of around 40 stories. Reminded me of the Maginot Line but it was always spotlessly clean, safe, free of graffiti, and not a single rusty fridge in sight. I went to the Barbican Hall a short while ago, still looked OK.

      I was living in Essex at the time (a nicer county than some people think) and used the Fenchurch Street line. There was a medium sized tower block in the East End, a mile or two out. From the train I could see a clear ring of rubbish around the building, about 30 ft out, where people had obviously thrown things from the balconies and out of the windows. Pigs.

         22 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        …True – people make slums…..

        Yep, this is sadly so, and its not only migrants who contribute to doing this; our ‘own’ are guilty of this too.
        Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s our parents who were given a council house considered themselves lucky to have one, and they were kept spick and span. Anyone who didn’t cut their grass were thought of as ‘slovenly’. Fast forward 60 years and what a difference – ok I’m not tarring everyone with the same brush, BUT there are an awful lot of couples who believe they are ‘owed’ a roof over their heads, and look like the ‘Onslow’s ‘ of this world – overweight, walks around in a vest, burnt out car in the front garden, and windows who have never seen a drop of Windolene. Single mothers with more than one mixed race child, shall I go on ????

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        • Jo says:

          “Yep, this is sadly so, and its not only migrants who contribute to doing this; our ‘own’ are guilty of this too.”

          True. I think most cities had areas like this. There was an area in Bradford known as the “Piggaries” (no Muslim connection, in case you’re thinking). I forget exactly where it was – might have been Canterbury Avenue. Leeds had the Quarry Hill flats. More recently, and not far from where my sister lives in London, was the Ferrier Estate at Kidbrooke, named after Kathleen Ferrier, the opera singer (I’m sure they were very proud).

          The thing is, decades ago these places were well known, avoided as far as possible, but nobody was under any illusion about their cause. They were dumping grounds for people who were socially irresponsible. In 2017 it’s regarded as victimhood or a valid lifestyle choice.

          With regard to my comment about the Barbican, above, I should point out that it was not swarming with expensive security guards either.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I have just been reading Danny Baker’s autobiography.

      In it, he says when he was first married he got a council flat in a block called Maydew House. He thought it was great, and loved the views. When people attacked tower blocks, his reply was: “it wasn’t the architect that constantly pissed in the lifts and chucked rubbish down the stairs.”

      Nothing much changes, does it?

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  34. StewGreen says:

    At the #MoreInCommon Jo Cox BBQs is the COMMON purpose to gather sticks ??
    …. So that they can do a Witch-burning of May

    #FamousLibMobTolerance ?

       16 likes

  35. ID says:

    Spiegel 15/6/17

    Great Britain may be an island, but economically it is the most interconnected country in Europe: The financial center in London, the country’s carmakers, what’s left of British industry and even the country’s infrastructure. France delivers electricity, water sanitation facilities in southern England belong to Germans and large airports such as Heathrow are owned by Spaniards. One quarter of the doctors who keep afloat the NHS — Britain’s comparatively deficient health care system — come from the Continent.

    The promise of Brexit was steeped in ideology from the very beginning, a fairy tale based on dark chauvinism. The Spanish Armada, Napoleon, Hitler and now the Polish plumbers who allegedly push down wages — when in reality they ensured that, after decades of lukewarmly dripping showers, the country’s bathrooms gradually returned to functionality. Brexit was never a particularly good idea. Now, following the most recent election, Brexit is defunct. That, at least, is what a member of Theresa May’s cabinet intimated last weekend. “In practical terms, Brexit is dead,” an unnamed minister told the Financial Times.

    Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen
    More “dark chauvinism” might have saved us from the situation described in the article.
    German media in triumphalist mood after Macron’s election. Another new dawn for the EU. European Army. Bundespresident Steinmeier evacuating about greater EU involvement in conflict resolution around the world. I wonder how that will work? The Germans provide the cash and the French do the fighting?

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    • taffman says:

      ID
      “Another new dawn for the EU. European Army.”
      A European Army ready to put down any future revolt or call for independence by the people of this sceptered Isle.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        It has been noticeable that the BBC (on R4 at least) has not been forthcoming with news of how the EU has been rushing in with aid after the Grenfell Tower fire, yet Brits were heading in the other direction, less than a year ago, with help for the EU with the migrant crisis.

        Funny that.

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    • Dave S says:

      It is quite extraordinary. The Germans just cannot help themselves. It is not this country that over the last 500 years has tried to subject Europe to various revolting tyrannies.
      First Spain then France and then Germany broke against us and that is that. Nothing more to say really.
      Some fairy tale !

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      “In practical terms, Brexit is dead.”

      Good luck policing that demonstration.

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      Dear Spiegel’s bit about UK services being owned by foreigners would be comic if it were not for Mutti’s Boy Macron sucking up to Mutti (vomit-inducing thought) and suggesting that the EU should stop foreign takeovers of its industries.

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    • Jo says:

      “The promise of Brexit was steeped in ideology from the very beginning”

      That’s rich!

      How is Greece doing, BTW?

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  36. Al Shubtill says:

    This is Mark Steyn’s take on the fire.

    https://www.steynonline.com/7921/the-great-fire-of-a-new-london

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    • ID says:

      Interesting that Steyn mentions that “the only Englishmen to be seen are members of the emergency services”. The powers that be have essentially created an enclave in Britain that is administered like some farflung part of the British Empire that has been transported to Britain. The time to really worry is when the armed forces, police, civil service etc. have a Muhammed majority. Then the indigenous population are powerless.

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      • MarkyMark says:

        Or the largest growing Political Party in the UK can be subverted and taken in a new direction guided by, not a red book, but a green one with gold arabic writing on the front.

        I remember when you used to get the Gideon Bible in the hotel …

        Salafists also believe that democracy, because it is a man-made form of government, must be destroyed…25 million copies of the Koran, translated into the German language, with the goal of placing one Koran into every household in Germany, free of charge. [gatestone / 2012]

        A simple and clear explanation, by a translation accident …
        http://soerenkern.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lies-koran.jpg

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  37. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    Headline from BBC News on-line (article about younger people switching their support from one party to another):

    “When 18-year-old Megan McGowan told her family she was a Conservative, it was much harder than when she came out as bisexual.”

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    • Lobster says:

      All I can say to that is that everybody knows I am gay and I vote UKIP.
      There, that wasn’t too difficult was it?

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Lobster,
        You mean you’ve ‘come out’ as a UKIP voter? Very brave to expose yourself to the public lynch mob.

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        • Lobster says:

          At least UKIP have never threatened to throw me off the top of the Shard, unlike some of their opponents.

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          • Oldspeaker says:

            I dare say there are ‘progressives’ who would like to throw you off the top of the Shard for voting UKIP.

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  38. JimS says:

    Might Harrabin and his mates ‘have blood on their hands’?

    While many in the industry preferred R134a, environmental groups and Greenpeace in particular, championed hydrocarbons as the natural alternative as they are non-ozone-depleting and non-global warming. Despite industry concerns as to its flammability, isobutane has become the standard domestic refrigerator gas and has become popular in certain plug-in commercial refrigerators. Only last month Waitrose announced that it was to use hydrocarbons in the refrigeration systems of all its new stores and refurbs.

    The gas that use to be put in fridges was used to extinguish fires, some of the gases used now are used for movie explosions and heaters.

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  39. Lucy Pevensey says:

    The tower burned. Accident. Even if through neglect, still an Accident. Likely through the carelessness of tenants themselves. Accident. Compare Westminster, Manchester, London Bridge. Deliberate acts of murder. Attacks. Deliberate.

    Accidental deaths = immediate mass outrage is encouraged. NO backlash!
    Intentional murders = restraint & suppression of anger demanded. Backlash!

    I see a new connotation on the “Backward Britain” tag.

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  40. Up2snuff says:

    Damien Green the only Minister loyal to Theresa May at present having to be the one to try to whitewash the PM’s handling of this week on the TODAY Programme.

    Am surprised our Betting Advisor has not been on this Thread with a guide to the odds on offer.

    Some good news at last: Scotland have beaten Australia at Rugby football.

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  41. Fedup says:

    Toady Watch

    My 30 minutes self rationing of al beeb morning bile.
    Our Justin trying to fry the PMs number two .

    It’s getting to the stage now where there is an expectation that politicians must get to the scene of big events about a minute after the emergency services. Justin pouring unfocused fire on any one his producer fancied going for .

    Then at the end of the roasting he said they would have some experts in later to say how the PM can restore her image!!!!!

    Couldn’t make it up. Please please think before you pay for this obscene multiculturally biased poison.

    As for the alleged refugees and others who have to be rehoused… imagine how much fire will be directed at thePM when they are sent to Stoke or hull or similar.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Fedup, “Couldn’t make it up. Please please think before you pay for this obscene multiculturally biased poison.”

      I don’t …

      … but I still feel free to be a critic.

      🙂

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      • Fedup says:

        Me too up2snuff.

        I won’t pay. It’s not about money . It’s about the only tangible thing i can do. Writing here is venting and the only people listening will be those like minded .

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  42. ID says:

    The media seems to shooting itself in the foot as far as the Inferno is concerned.
    Jon Snow on C4 comments that it was a disaster you would expect in “down-town Dacca”
    Today-nonentity complains that the lack of organisation reminds him of disasters he has seen elsewhere in the world.

    Thirdworld disaster
    Thirdworld aftermath.

    What else can you expect when the authorities have ceded control over a thirdworld community to thirdworld community leaders, intermediaries and interest groups without any democratic authority. A chaotic immigration policy that allows people into the country to lead a shadow existence cannot help the identification process when a disaster occurs.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Over at ITTB a poster (who I hope will not mind the cut and paste) hat tips with a very apposite summary of some key points;

      “Anonymous17 June 2017 at 02:35
      Something else that needs focussing on (mentioned by a number of people on bBBC) is the strange disparity in “sanctioned reactions” between the recent terrorist outrages and the awful fire.

      As far as the terrorism has gone the BBC (and the rest of the MSM to be fair) have been strongly sanctioning reactions of love, togetherness and acceptance. Reactions of anger – which we all know are very much out there – were basically heavily censored. The constrast with the fire couldn’t be more stark: the MSM but the BBC especially have been almost encouraging reactions of anger…predicting such reactions, framing them and justifying them, rather than querying them.

      Another thing I would throw out it is why a £5 billion organisation like the BBC with its vast news gathering organisation, its great interest in social housing, and its many consumer programmes, failed to spot this story, that flammable cladding was being put up on tower blocks just a few miles away from its HQ.

      If the BBC spent a little less time pursuing its obsessions – Brexit, Trump, gender equality, misogynistic cycling coaches and manspreading to name a few – perhaps they might have averted this horrendous event. We will never know.”

      One awaits a 4am selective response in defence. Bless him.

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      • Payne by name says:

        I agree.

        Descend on Didsbury mosque after the attacks with a placard and it’s an evil racist hate crime.

        Descend on a town hall with a view to angrily storming in and it’s an understandable expression of public outrage.

        One is a deliberate attempt to murder and terrorise by people of a culture/religion that is incompatible with our way of life. The other is an accident.

        The fact that the latter is being encouraged and whipped up just highlights what a disappointing bunch of over entitled virtue signalling fools that we are.

        The left can’t get angry at terrorist attacks because they are too involved with the perps but being able to wrap themselves in the Grenfell flag and stick it to the authorities in whatever angry or incendiary method they choose is morally righteous in their eyes.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Why travel to see third world disasters when you can bring them here. BBC and CH4 save on travel expenses. Everyone wins.

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      • Oldspeaker says:

        I think there is an argument that London is a third world country, certainly a foreign one.

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    • Demon says:

      Jon Snow said that about Dacca did he? Isn’t that sackably racist?

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  43. G says:

    I am fascinated by the direction of travel by the inexorable slide toward social disorder. We all know the BBC take every opportunity to ‘fan the flames’ as best they can with their goading, disinformation and subtle persuasive propaganda. Now, more intensely than at any time before. But, what can be the destination with all this?
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/video-mark-steyn-on-the-leftistislamic-preference-for-violently-shutting-down-opponents
    In my view, the June 2016 Referendum was a turning point in the UK. Prior to that, there were always more or less grumblings and groanings from those who lost the argument/election but post June 2016 it appears that our own form of democracy and selection of a Government is condemned for being, simply, ‘wrong’. I have commented previously that post June 2016 it would appear that any election result can be ‘fair game’ to be disputed principally, as ‘cheer leader’ by the BBC Political Party. The BBCPP is relentless in its subtle condemnation of virtually all and everything excluding islam and the left/liberal political wings.
    It is a so-called, ‘democratic’, ‘developed World’ issue and no one, but no one is rising to deal with it. Indeed, the likes of the BBC and various Governments appear (to me) to be intent upon pouring petrol on the fire. It really is a case of knowing when to stop digging and none of them appear to understand that point has been well passed. Hate to say it, but in my humble esteem, the West will be transformed within the next 10 years: rocked by a series of very violent incidents when the little people finally say, “we’ve had enough”. What will trigger it? I have no idea but it will probably be a minor incident causing all hell to break loose. In between whiles, all I see is Western Governments and media preparing for the inevitable. They should not rely on the total dedication of their Security Services.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      G, good post.

      Although this has me puzzled: “In between whiles, all I see is Western Governments and media preparing for the inevitable.”

      Not sure they are ‘preparing’. Seems to me that they are either blindly stumbling along in a liberal fog of politically correct consensus thinking that they have it all under control or they are actively trying to bring about a drastic change that leads to some sort of denationalisation of the UK and Eire into a EU-superstate.

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      • G says:

        Up2,
        In that assertion, I consider the blizzard of legislation put in place over the last 2/3 decades to stop thee and I criticising anything, principally islam, in terms of, ‘preparation’. This, of course, assumes that the Security Services will back the Government rather than the ‘revolters’ when the S hits the F. If this is the case, they should really think again as it is my belief that the Security Services are getting pretty P off themselves and faced by revolt by ‘ordinary people’, they may not toe the Government line.

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  44. Payne by name says:

    I’m assuming that Khan has tried to smooth feathers and calm people down by telling them not to be alarmed and that fires and risk of death are just part of living in a tower block.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Wonder what Imams think of Khan being in charge of a city with all those pubs, casinos, strip clubs, betting shops, banks loaning with interest, pork butchers, rspca dog kennels treating dogs humanely. Any one at the BBC asked a few Imams how they “feel”.

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  45. G says:

    What’s up BBC? Can’t be bothered with important news broadcasting? –
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/uk-muslim-mows-down-five-people-in-ramadan-rage-praised-by-judge-as-good-family-man
    The Brit undermining continues with the assistance of the judiciary.

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  46. Lock13 says:

    A thought crossed my mind the other day (yes thy occasionally do) …
    There are codes of conduct and rules and regulations across all forms of businesses. Lying and deceit is punishable by jail/ struck-off etc e.g. Financial/ Medical Industry . Why is that Journalists and MP’s are allowed to lie and deceive , when it can be easily proved that they are lying , and get away with it? They can essentially report ‘ their view’ as the facts despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and nothing is done about it. Whereas deceit , gross negligence etc in all other walks of life is chargeable and often results in the perpetrators being jailed/ struck off and banned from ever doing that job again.
    What is so special about being a journalist or an MP?

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  47. ID says:

    Just listening to the odious Matt Frei on LBC bigging up the effectiveness of German regulations in preventing facade fires. DERWESTEN Ruhr news reports on a facade fire in Duisburg 19/5/16 with. 3 fatalities. There was a similar fire in Cologne with 5 dead.
    “We have been concerned for a number of years about the way facades of this kind affect the progress of fires” says Jochen Stern, a spokesman for the Fire Service Association of NRW.
    There have been similar fires with deaths in France.

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  48. MarkyMark says:

    Currently at Nottingham University there are two muslim pray rooms. One for males, one for females. May I ask if this is inclusive? The Chaplin faith room does not divide by sex. Academia indeed.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Had to turn my islamophobia mind adjustment switch to Off to notice this strange oddity.

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  49. BRISSLES says:

    Much is being made about the lack of empathy that Theresa May has shown. Well, there are people in this world who have trouble being ‘touchy feely’ believe it or not. Does anyone criticise Princess Anne who is never teary, always wears gloves and is never shown with anything other than a sombre face. And who remembers the castigation that Kate McCann received in the press for her visible lack of emotion on the disappearance of her daughter.

    Personally I’m one who hates being grabbed for a kiss by complete strangers when introduced – and then I get looked at oddly. We now live in a ‘huggy’ world of emoting at every opportunity, but it doesn’t suit all, and the press would do well to remember that.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Brissles, all the PM had to do was go, shake hands with people – maybe not even that – no touching even, just hand them a bottle of water or a blanket and listen, ask after their family and listen, ask what help they are getting and listen, let them know what you will be going to do then ask if they have questions and listen, ask what they think they will need first and listen.

      Notice the word that appears most often here?

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