456 Responses to WEEKEND OPEN THREAD….

  1. Jo says:

    Uh oh, I can see where this is heading:

    “Far-right Christian Daily Mail reading white supremacist Brexit UKIP voter and EDL and BNP member, who was an associate of Nigel Farage in Sainsburys for 5 seconds in the 1990s, who once browsed through a book on Margaret Thatcher, and who supported the terrorist murder of Jo Cox and the capitalist arson attack on Grenfell Tower, kills Muslims in terrorist attack shouting “Jesus is Great”. He was radicalised at the Rose and Crown. The landlord has been arrested and the pub closed down. White van drivers with tattoos and shaved heads are being rounded up. Muslim tolerance is quickly turning to anger as the entire UK parliament fails to turn up. The Archbishop of Canterbury says this has everything to do with Christianity.”

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  2. Guest Who says:

    Could be worse. The BBC in Australia has… Nazi machine guns!

    The thread below could be going better for them after that cracking start.

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  3. Peter Grimes says:

    Not Al Beeb, I can’t force myself to watch, but ‘Adhil’ being interviewed by Sky quoting police slow response times and comparing it with (a well-primed) 4 minutes for response to Lee Rigby’s murder, inter alia, saying why did it take so long. I had been listening to Toady and Met Deputy Commissioner Basu had said officers were in the close vicinity and had administered first aid. ‘Adhil’ also said that two other men had fled the van, contradicting the Met’s belief that only one person involved.

    It seems that ‘Adhil’s’ community are getting their propaganda in first.

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    • Beltane says:

      Nice to think Adil’s slough of misinformation was confined to Sky PG, but our noble and reliable source gave the little chap uninterrupted air-time around 6.30 this morning. To be fair – though I can’t think why – the BBC bloke did look a bit ‘taken aback’ at the stream of bile and lies but, sadly, didn’t think to challenge any of them. Still, poor old Adil, facing his own 9/11 or perhaps 7/7, needs time to grieve, eh?

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  4. Foscari says:

    I will watch Al Jazeera’s reporting of the murderous attack at Finsbury Park Mosque. I will get a better
    understanding of it than the ISIS apologist’s reporting on the BBC.

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    • Kaiser says:

      is full of smiley faces like it normally is for a terror attack

      no??

      thought not

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  5. G says:

    Good, solid appraisal of Brexit post GE here –
    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/nobody-won-the-brexit-election-but-we-leavers-risk-losing-now/19953?

    “So the growing insistence among Tory Remainers that Britain must somehow remain in the Single Market is a coded demand for the UK to Remain an EU member state in all but name.” I observe that it is not only “Tory Remainers” singing this song: they’ve all hiding behind the illusion that they will all respect the fact that we’re coming out the EU. Personally, I fear the worst.

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    • Beltane says:

      I know I’ve already said as much, and others have too, but the election result and fall from grace of a near omnipotent party was engineered from the moment Teresa took over. Not even the thickest of politicians, and we currently enjoy a rather special selection on all sides of the House, could deliberately create a manifesto crammed with so many confrontational and illogical proposals without an underlying intention – and it worked.

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      • chrisH says:

        ” Success has a thousand fathers, whilst failure is an orphan”
        Today, May and team are beginning to formally get us out of the EU.
        The whole range of EU Stormtroopers and their House-trained, Brussels bred quislings are solely aimed at keeping us in, spreading Lampedusa and Cologne to our nation and dragging us all down to a Soviet-style Caliphate.
        They themselves will get the money and media for this, they will NOT hae to live with the consequences but WE will. As will our kids if they`re mug enough to stay here.
        The BBC and its backers only have this as their aim.
        Trump is also under the cosh 24/7 bogged down in bollocks.
        Both May and Trump are therr to drain the swamp, the ferocity ranged against them both is not unexpected-43 years and counting, they`re not REALLY going to roll over in the pigsty are they?
        May turns out to have miscalculated, the party tactics were crap.
        But few of us didn`want her to have a clear mandate and shut the likes of Gina Miller up.
        We got a Brexit landslide, there is no other game in town.
        And ALL that the BBC is saying and doing is designed to tip us back into the laps of Big Daddy Ali in Rotherham.
        Leave May alone-she`s a shit Party leader but she`s a national democratically backed woman who will do her utmost. These personal attacks are pretty clearly aimed to get her killed or demoralised enough to get Corbyn or fucking Rudd into negotiations. NO.
        WE`re beyond politics, we`re beyond the media-it`s easy.
        Out in Two years, or REAL trouble.
        “They ain`t seen nothing yet”

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        • MarkyMark says:

          Just to help the BBC – “Leave EU” + “Happy Either Way”@65% “Remain in EU”@35%.

          In the Australian Democracy you for can be fined ($20) or lose their driver’s licence, so voting is really important and those who don’t vote should be included in the EU result!
          Those who voted Leave would like be as inclusive as possible.

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  6. Englands Dreaming says:

    This is currently the main BBC website article on the tragedy/attack
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960

    There is an interview with a witness Adil Rana who at the start clearly says the culprit was a white male, now I have no problem with this at all, but I dont recall the Beeb being so straight forward concerning other attacks. Mr Rana’s interview also suggests that the authorities response was deliberately slow (he says the Police took an hour to respond – sounds unlikely did the Beeb check this?) because this was an attack on Muslims! This isnt helpful BBC we dont need you to stoke the fire even further.

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    • Demon says:

      I saw a bit on that interview and didn’t believe the story that the police took over an hour to respond. That nasty Muslima made the same claim about the fire in the tower block which was a bald lie.

      I haven’t yet heard people say that the real victims are white people who will be expecting a backlash from this.

      This isn’t the way to do something, it’s as evil as the other way round, but it shows that people are undeniably and justifiably angry. We need the government to take this by the scruff of the neck: sod PC and no-go areas, deal with all the criminals, both Muslim and their white allies and apologists from the fascist-left. Kick the guilty out to their countries of origin even if born here, and any white apologist can be deported to Syria.

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      • Cranmer says:

        Demon, the authorities will only do this when all other avenues – ie, doing nothing – have been exhausted.
        The Grenfell protests have made me suspect that the government knows Britain’s ‘enriched’ cities are a powder-keg (in some parts literally) waiting to go up and they are desperate to calm things down, because they know there just aren’t enough police and troops to control the radicals (and their white British enablers) if they kick off.

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  7. Guest Who says:

    Nick ‘sources say’ is a busy boy today, shuttling between the office and studio and mosque, and all the while doing that unique ‘wondering’ BBC DNA types do…

    Silly Tories. They should have pulled a Di until things blew over.

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  8. G.W.F. says:

    As a white Brit who owns a white van I am very concerned about a backlash against people of my community. Our lesbian TG vicar will be contacting Wimmin’s Hour
    Perhaps we need an outfit called Tell Daddy to work with the cops and round up anyone seen splashing curry on the doors of our churches.
    However, a sympathetic visit from Lilly Allen to the WI might be taking it too far.
    ————————————–
    Donning my tin foil hat may I suggest that this incident might have been manufactured to counter anger over the Manchester and London attacks?

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    • Jo says:

      Z

      (That’s for the van, not for you BTW. You could add a “Halal Meat Deliveries” sign just to be sure.)

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    • Kaiser says:

      try not to go full tin foil hat GWF it really is bad for your health

      and besides there is a remarkably large amount of ropers that are there already with there total denial

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  9. Charlie Martel says:

    I heard one commentator on beebistan say that the muslim community was ‘understandably angry’. Strange, cos when whitie is murdered we’re not supposed to feel anger, just all warm and fuzzy towards the perpetrators.
    And boy were some of them angry, lots of shouting and finger-shaking at the police and journalists. Is it wicked to hope a few beeboids get roughed up a bit? (Nothing serious you understand, just enough to give them a taste of the religion of peace when it’s angry.)
    And there was no speculation about ‘motive not clear’, no ‘too early to say’, no ‘we mustn’t speculate’, no ‘mental health’, no psychobabble about how he might have been provoked, no: just straight to ‘far-right terrorism’.
    P.s. Personally I don’t care what you call it, but ‘terrorism’ seems a bit strange in this case. It’s probably one or more guys who finally cracked under repeated provocation. ‘Revenge attack’ would seem to describe it better. Which doesn’t make it better or worse, just a more accurate term.
    But what do I know – I’m not a highly trained, highly paid, highly resourced bbc ‘journalist’. And highly biased.

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    • gaxvil says:

      I think their ‘victimisation’ took an upswing after 9/11 and 7/7 – baffling!

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  10. Lucy Pevensey says:

    I am beyond fed up with a telly screen full of nothing but Mohammeds telling me off.
    BBC, is this a country run exclusively by and for Muslims? That is what it looks like to me if I am judging by BBC News output.
    And SKY, CH4 & even RT this morning. Sick of it.

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  11. gaxvil says:

    It seems everyone is baffled as to a possible motive for Finsbury. Though there was a bloke on Today saying that, 60% of adults and 30% of children view Islam in a bad light and criticism of Islam must not be tolerated. I’m baffled.

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  12. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Grand Mufti Khan of Londonistan was on the idiot box a few minutes ago asking fellow Mohammedans to report “hate crime”

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    • gaxvil says:

      Not aware they were reluctant to report ‘hate crime’. It’s radicals and terror plotters they have trouble reporting.

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      • Kaiser says:

        remember please report any instances of whiteyphobia to the police where it can be promptly ignored

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  13. Guest Who says:

    Guido may come to regret what seems a rather rushed tweet, unless substantiated quickly:

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    • Manxman says:

      No ‘comment” section open on that article, i wonder why.

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    • Dystopian says:

      Reported as “clean shaven” clearly to avoid doubt that he might have been a white Islamist!

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      ToobiWan,
      And that’s The Express!

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    • MarkyMark says:

      “…hero imam Mohammed Mahmoud” – just in case you are unclear who the real hero is here – a double victory for Mohammed in the Express Article!

      “For the Many (Mohammeds and various spellings of), Not the Few (Mohammed’s in countries where these events are rare)”.

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  14. gaxvil says:

    Lessons from history – There’s a new documentary by a Holocaust survivor.
    It shows people being led to their extermination, meekly, obediently, un resisting.

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  15. Charlie Martel says:

    But you have to feel sorry for May. In today’s world it’s not enough for a PM to get on with a difficult job (and let’s face it disasters are coming at her thick and fast), but she has to cry, and May just doesn’t do blubber very well in public.

    (Though according to one Rev, she does have emotions, much to his surprise apparently. I guess he gets his views from the beebistan and the Grauniad, like most idiot vicars.

    “The Rev Mark O’Donoghue, who attended the meeting alongside Bishop of Kensington Dr Graham Tomlin and people from the area, said the country’s leader had not been the “caricature” expected.
    Stories of incredible survival moved Mrs May to become emotional, he said.
    … And you could just see her welling up. And that’s not the caricature (of the Prime Minister) is it?”)

    No Rev, not if you get your caricatures from the beeb.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-latest-victims-meet-theresa-may-downing-street-welled-up-tears-anger-a7796261.html

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  16. gaxvil says:

    As for the planned, day of hate, looting and riot on Wednesday. I do hope armed Police will be in abundance because it’s a sitting target for terrorists.

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  17. gaxvil says:

    Hmm …… they’re not so much hate speech crimes as truth speech crimes.
    A very sad state of affairs. Is saying this this a crime?

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  18. G says:

    Finsbury Park mosque? – Meanwhile in Mali, business as usual for the islamic terrorist………
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/ramadan-in-mali-two-dead-as-jihadis-storm-tourist-resort-popular-with-westerners

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  19. BigBrotherCorporation says:

    As was said above, it would be hypocritical at this juncture not to condemn the ‘white man/men’ involved in this despicable and cowardly attack on those leaving the Finsbury Mosque, and honestly, whatever the motivation (with the possible exception of the driver/s being parents of children killed in Manchester, perhaps?), it was a vile act.

    It would also be hypocritical not to offer my sympathy for the victims and their families, that is heartfelt, however people might feel about ‘terrorist attacks’, the people stood outside the mosque didn’t deserve this, two wrongs do not make a right.

    On a different note, as I’ve said before, and will no doubt say again, I am so glad I don’t live in London.

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  20. G says:

    Anti, anti, anti, “anti-terror”, arranged by the muslim community –
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/germany-10000-expected-at-muslim-anti-terror-march-1000-show-up
    The statistics say it all.

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  21. StewGreen says:

    I’m hearing on the BBC airing public people who call the Mosque attacker a “white nationalist”, and then the presenter failing to challenge them. Ironic that they are quick to say “Remember not all Muslims are terrorists”
    Does it not also apply that just cos a white nutter does something that nationalists of white colour are terrorists ?
    (sounds a bit racists to me)

    We don’t know if attacker had any motivation from the right.
    We do know “He was inspired by muslims using a vehicle.”

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    • Grant says:

      Stew,

      But had he been “radicalised ” ?

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    • StewGreen says:

      BBC airs callers who “know” the attacker was a white nationalist..
      Yet for all we know he could have had any of a multitude of reasons for grievance
      eg connection to a victim of terrorist attack or grooming gang.
      or taxi driver eased out of job etc.

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      • Jo says:

        “BBC airs callers who “know” the attacker was a white nationalist..”

        The BBC specialises in begging the question (in its original meaning, not “raising the question”). The attacker must be a white nationalist because only a white nationalist would do this.

        Hear it all the time.

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    • G says:

      Ah! gone are the days where it was a ‘random attack’ carried out by an undriven, ‘white van’ or, ‘lorry’ and even a, ‘person with mental health problems’. The police would restrain any speculation until the ‘incident had been fully investigated’ during which, ‘750 had been detained in connection with the incident’ only for 750 (my figure – I’m allowed to outrageously exaggerate in my speculation aren’t I? – I want to feel wanted so I can’t later be divided) to be released within 48 hours.

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  22. StewGreen says:

    R5 Now airing Brendan Cox who apparently against violence and fear ..(except when his mates are pulling on facemasks and throwing bottles)
    He’s claiming 10m people went to his weekend parties …certainly not true by magnitudes.

    Now he’s just slung in Tommy Robinson’s name as a hater.

    I think Coxes claims and choice of inflammatory language is exactly the thing that inflames nutters.

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    • ToobiWan says:

      I think he’s a bit pissed, Stew, that the Grenfell Tower fire grabbed the headlines and overshadowed the anniversary of his missuses’ death..

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  23. gaxvil says:

    Anyhow, if there’s a backlash against Finsbury – how will we tell it from the normal ‘acceptable and understandable’ Islamic terror attacks?

    Considering that maths was supposedly invented in the ME – Finsbury plus one in Canada plus ? would not seem to equate too well with the thousands and thousands.

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    • gaxvil says:

      To help get things into proportion:-
      http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/693954/Terror-in-Europe-map-deaths-injuries-attacks-2016

      Note: ONLY 2016 and ONLY in Europe.

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    • G says:

      Gax,
      Seems it is being claimed that the police took an inordinate time to turn out. Interesting. Not the televisual senior officer (yet) but the plod on the street that responds. Perhaps that plod has had enough of the outrageous allegations by muslims of ‘hate crimes’. Perhaps that plod is utterly pi*s*d off with islam. Perhaps the plods in the local nick are all pi*s*d of with Finsbury Park mosque with its historical links to terror coaching. When the time eventually comes and the people say, “No more”, perhaps the Government will be shocked to find that the police and other security services refuse to tackle the emasculated population head on.

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      • gaxvil says:

        Indeed, just like the delay in the Fire Service responding to Grenfell because the caller was a Muslim ???
        And Finsbury mosque lecturing on hate preachers – give me a break.

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  24. JamesArthur says:

    Having listened to radio 4 all morning whilst driving one cannot fail to hear the unsubstantiated bleatings of vacuous Left. Random views and unsupported opinions – about May, alone and crying doesn’t want to stay in no 10. Where did/do they get this information? Why are they allowed to say it?
    Grenfell Tower was according to one BBC interview the same as the Manchester bomb…or is is about rich versus poor or is it….just add whatever divisive Left theory you want…no substance required just opinion. Maybe it was just a sad tragic accident that the Left shouldn’t be making political gain from..if every lefty MP opened their house(s) to one person from Grenfell that would help a lot…
    And then to have Mandelson lecturing us on honesty in negotiations in the EU..honesty from him, now that is funny.
    – I can’t even begin to describe the unnecessary over the top reporting of the Van in Finsbury park – it is a tragic unnecessary action of, probably a mental ill man, not some socially led act of terrorism…but let’s wait and see..well not if you are the BBC
    The BBC seems to revel in bias, unsubstantiated reporting and let anyone on their programs who is happy to bleat support for their view whilst cut down those who express alternative views…

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    • gaxvil says:

      Ah yes, speculation. We all love a bit of speculation, it must be 99% of bbc content. But speculation is not, news or facts or the plain unadulterated truth.

      Hello Ofcom, come in Ofcom, calling Ofcom, are you there?

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    • Grant says:

      James,

      Sums it all up really !

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  25. StewGreen says:

    Some twisted thinking from LibMobsters who inflame rather than calm


    That’s Cox doing Orwellian twisting

    I’d say
    Pathetic to see Cox “now try & portray” “simple commentary”
    as “incitement to violence”
    And smear label commenters as “far right”
    And Fallacy of false equivalence by saying “simple commentary” is the same as “excuses from islamist apologists”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Rowling supported Cox


      Does that mean ?
      “Those who dehumanise & stereotype” “secular westerners”
      ” have no moral high ground from which to deplore demonisation of” “Islamists” by Right commenters

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      • MarkyMark says:

        J.K. “One of the Few (net worth ÂŁ600 million), Not Many” Rowling.
        Owen “One of the Few (book deal ÂŁ718K) , Not Many” Jones.
        Keith “One of the Few (x5 houses), Not Many” Vaz.

        This is a fun game, join in if you want … who really speaks for you?

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      • gaxvil says:

        Does anyone care what she thinks from one of her many mansions?
        Stick to children’s’ fiction and spend your money, refurb some tower blocks or something useful.

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        • MarkyMark says:

          The point is that some people need other people to make comments and think for them.
          But on the flip side these people have to live by and adhere to the same standards they try to force on everyone else.

          For the Many (less than ÂŁ88K per year), Not the Few (Rowling,Owen,Vaz,Abbott,May, Corbyn).

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      • Grant says:

        Silly bitch .

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  26. gaxvil says:

    So is hate speeching people who hate speech people who hate speak, hate speech ………………….. or not?

    Also, Is inciting people to hate people who incite hatred a crime?

    I just want to be clear.

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    • king crimson says:

      Sorry Gax ….you lost me there!! 🙂

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      • MarkyMark says:

        This is easy KingCrimson … if you don’t tolerate ( agree with ) the intolerable ( facists ) , then you are intolerant ( a facist ).

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  27. Dystopian says:

    Irate shouty Muslim caller to Julia Hartley Brewer on talk radio.
    “Emotions understandably running high” she says.

    Why? I thought it was the Religion of Peace?

    So who are the ones shouting and carrying on whilst the rest of us light candles and hug teddy bears?

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    • gaxvil says:

      Understandable, seems a few free taxi rides for Manchester bomb victims count for nothing. What is the world coming to?

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  28. G says:

    “They shall not divide us” –
    Log of terror attacks during Ramadan –
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
    Note the preponderance of attacks carried out by white, male supremacists not ‘playing by the established rules’. What rules?
    In the UK, those written by HM Government and endorsed by the BBC, Labour/Liberals, Globalists, UN and finally, those advocating multiculturalism.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    Same old LibMob behaviour
    – First they PORTRAY their political opposites as a monster
    – Then, they BEHAVE in the same way as that monster they have just thought up.
    #Projection

    We really know nothing about the van driver, yet Cox/Rowling portray him as a “white nationalist” “terrorist was radicalised” by Farage/Robinson/KTHopkins
    … that looks like unevidenced hatespeak.

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  30. Dystopian says:

    Why has Theresa May just made an official statement that the arrested man was a white man? Did she mention the previous attackers’ skin colour?
    She also stated that this was an attack on muslims…not the usual attack on all of us!

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    • Grant says:

      Dystopian,

      Thick dhimmis like Treezer are in total denial of the realities. I don’t care if they sign their own death warrants but I do care if the sign for the rest of us. They are not only stupid, they are dangerous.

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    • G says:

      Dyst,
      Maybe the “attacker” took a dislike to the islamification of his homeland; maybe he took steps to check out the legal position for one holding his views; maybe he discussed his fears with his local MP; maybe he, having checked out the legal route for venting his objections realised that all debate and action had been shut down by his Government; maybe he decided to take the only route open to him?
      Who knows? Bet the BBC will not be explaining this aspect when they hang, draw and quarter the, “attacker”.

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      • gaxvil says:

        All true. Sorry but there is no way I can, ‘Get Together’ with, lambs for slaughter, Marxists or foreign cult members. Sorry, I JUST AIN’T BEEN BRAUGHT UP LIKE THAT.

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  31. Dystopian says:

    Gonna use it as an excuse to close down any internet ‘safe spaces’ basically means a further erosion of freedom of speech.

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  32. Dystopian says:

    BBC reporting that “Many Muslims are living in fear ”

    Welcome to the club!

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  33. gaxvil says:

    Seems to me there are many, including our countrymen, who really should consider getting a plane to Saudi – soon.
    Because they just won’t be happy till they’re living in a repressive, Islamic nation.

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  34. nogginator says:

    Running people over deliberately, is a despicable act, to kill a person unforgivable
    Finsbury Park Objectively
    Has Amber Dudd, rushed over to tell folks have a cup of tea?, to just keep calm and carry on? The same people who said NOTHING should change after a seemingly endless Islamic terror attacks are now apparently calling for all kinds of new laws.
    Obviously we, have to turn over every last page of all the mental health evaluations before apportioning any blame?

    The MCB were expecting it?, but are always incredulous when the shoes on the other foot.
    … but, naturally our thoughts should be with the indigenous and other British communities at this time who fear an Islamic backlash?.
    There have been 8 viable Islamic terror attacks in the UK in just 70 days 3 were successful, Islamic terrorists have killed 1263 people in the last 23 days alone. Happy Ramadan … so no equivalence to white van man, before the Al Beeb starts

    What s with this T Robinson stuff?, for an attack we haven’t got the full details of yet?
    Ramadan Israel: 6 Muslims arrested for throwing firebombs at Jewish homes, “According to the investigation, the suspects attacked the homes to force the Jewish families to permanently flee the area.”

    … Should we call to ban Ramadan here in the UK it is so associated with violence and terrorism all over the world?

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    • gaxvil says:

      Fine post.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      I would like MCB to be a bit more open about their Qu’ran citations, then maybe we can talk openly about the book.

      “The Muslim Council of Britain today (no date given) condemned the massacre of children (what age and gender?) at a Peshawar school. Some 135 children were killed in an attack (by who?) in Pakistan earlier today…Quran in which it says: ‘Whosoever kills a human being, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind’.” Q5:32
      http://www.mcb.org.uk/massacre-children-ummah-shock-muslim-council-britain-condemns-peshawar-killings/

      But if you read the next verse in the Qu’ran you get the following…
      “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;” Q5:33

      So which is it? Peace or Death?
      Where is the line that is to be drawn between killing, chopping off appendages and expelling people.
      What about sending them to jail – is that forbidden?
      It’s so confusing….especially when Leaders of Islam say things like …

      “Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humour in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”
      —Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran’s Islamic Leader

      Does this exclude Monty Python’s ‘Life of Brian’?

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    • Tabs says:

      When the Rapeagees were raping Norway, Sweden and German woman the official advice to the women was not to go outside after dark.

      So the advice to Muslims today should be “don’t go outside into the roads in between prayers” should it not?

      Or as Sadiq Khan would put it “it’s part and parcel of living in a big city”.

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    • nogginator says:

      The outbreak of Islamophilia, is what should all be concerned about … why?
      because Islam is a political ideology, with a religious “get out of jail free” card. and will manipulate politically any traction it may gain.

      It was a wicked act, but there is no “Islamophobia”. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational. Islam is still the problem.
      P Condell

      I have to agree, without terror, there would be no Islam,
      What is positive that Islam brings, to any non Islamic host, community or area.?
      The MCB demanded that D Murray be challenged more on the BBC, for simply saying less Islam is preferable
      in our society, with that in mind …

      lets see, feel free to list , because there will be calls to give Islam, unwarranted enhanced protection.

      For our wider UK communities and society the positives, and negatives of Islam
      (list as appropriate)
      Positives ……….. and ……….. Negatives

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      • MarkyMark says:

        Just give people choices using language that gives no actual choice. It’s so much easier.

        Do you want “Hard/Nasty Brexit” or “Soft/Fluffy Brexit”?

        Do you want “Gradual Diversity” or “Disruptive Diversity”.

        “I’d prefer Gradual Diversity as suggested by Douglas Murray, rather than Disruptive Diversity produced by Merkel as it sounds so awful, being disruptive”.

        Bingo!

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      • gaxvil says:

        Ah but mosques are like the Vatican – a state within a state. Police not allowed in or around, certainly not armed ones. The plan will be: issue the mosque guards with weapons, like the Vatican Guard or a militia.

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  35. StewGreen says:

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  36. gaxvil says:

    Thing about unlimited cash and six mansions – if things get too hot at one you can always be jetted away to another.
    Well, that’s what I do.

    Rowling is a hater and inciter!

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  37. Tabs says:

    Here we go with a BBC list of “Islamophobic” attacks:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40323279

    The update at 12:03 says:
    Mosques attacks
    Criminal damage and vandalism are the most common recorded problems, according to the data, but some are sent material including flammable goods.

    The flammable material is probably sent from ISIS mail order to build bombs but lets not let facts get in the way of a story.

    The update at 12:30 says:
    Beer poured over Muslim’s headscarf
    No facts given whatsoever to back this claim up.
    “So I’m not surprised that Muslims have been targeted like this. When I’m on a train in my traditional clothes I get lots of looks.
    Hey mate, you get looks because people know trains and Muslim bombers are a real threat. Those looks are from people scared to death of dying.

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  38. MarkyMark says:

    “…Those looks are from people scared to death of dying.” Good point Tabs, I would like to add “… whilst using modern developments that don’t normally try to kill them on purpose.” – planes, skyscrapers, knives, rented vans, tube stations, concert halls, football stadiums, bridges, parliaments, military camps, trains, publication offices, man in uniform, markets, police man’s own gun, a night out to the pub.

    I’m starting to worry that the Islamists are not impressed with how it went with their “1001 Islamic Inventions is an award-winning international science and cultural heritage organisation that raises awareness of the creative golden age of Muslim civilisation that stretched from Spain to China.”.

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  39. Thoughtful says:

    How long before this Finsbury van driver is killed in prison? Britain now has a black reputation for killing those who make any kind of stand against the brown eyed favourites.
    I wonder if he will even get to trial.

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  40. Thoughtful says:

    How long before this Finsbury van driver is killed in prison? Britain now has a black reputation for killing those who make any kind of stand against the brown eyed favourites.
    I wonder if he will even get to trial.

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  41. StewGreen says:

    Now on R5 Nihal is doing a campaign against Far Right
    So far he gave no evidence of a Right Wing connection.
    So seems like jumping the gun.

    Now police have just confirmed today’s attacker was not known to police/security services
    Nihal’s voice had a tinge of regret when he read that out,
    … guess he hoped it was going to be a friend of Tommy Robinson.

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    • StewGreen says:

      NIhal seems like a fanatic activist campaigner
      normal SJW Alinsky MO
      #1 Demonise political opponents
      #2 Take that as licence to BEHAVE like demon

      He’s sent 50 Tweets since last night
      a lot seem to sneer at Tommy Robbinson/KTHopkins
      last night he tweeted

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      • StewGreen says:

        He has a trick of retweeting people who screenshot Non-Libmob tweets
        That is lying by omission, cos that stops people seeing the context of the original tweet

        Would say he is a very divisive person.
        Clearly he demonises TRobinson and them himself behaves like a demon.
        Saying stuff like ‘People who are not liberals, they are all far-right, who demonise all Muslims’
        …. But I would say James O’Brien is worse.

        I see other LeftMob have a trick , when you debunk them, they block you, thus you can’t see their new tweets and debunk them.

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  42. gaxvil says:

    I see Theresa as King Canute.
    Anyhow, funny how the movie, ‘V’ had it all reversed – Totalitarian, anti Islamic government.
    We’ll have a wait for the movie plot – Totalitarian, pro Islamic government, but I reckon we’ll get the real thing before that.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      Theresa May is nothing like Canute who displayed power, subtlety and Wisdom in showing his nobles that he was not all powerful.
      Theresa May is the small child who hides behind the settee when something scary comes on the TV and doesn’t come out until others tell her it’s safe. She has been conspicuous by her absence when the country needed leadership.

      She is decent senior civil service material, but a leader she ain’t. Alas that’s true of all the senior Tories, many of whom bear closer resemblance to company managers, directors, and senior civil servants than political leaders.

      If you compare any of them to Farage or Corbyn – men with vision, drive, passion, and a will together with Charisma, and you get a good idea of how desperately lacking the Tories are. It’s that desperation by the men in grey suits behind the scenes to find someone electable, which to them means a ‘safe pair of hands’ – in Theresa May’s case that means not being criticised, by not actually doing anything !

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