592 Responses to START THE WEEK OPEN THREAD….

  1. Sluff says:

    Biased BBC going big on their public sector friends wanting to end the pay cap.
    With no sense of joining the dots they then move on to the fact that Tesco, who have had several years of troubled times, are making 1200 redundant at their HQ.

    Yeah. The private sector would absolutely love public sector pay, when it comes with job security, pensions, benefits, long holidays.
    Oh and by the way, public sector workers also tend to be on published pay scales. Teachers, except those at the top of the pay scale get annual increments worth up to 10% of salary. Not exactly a 1% cap is it?
    But strangely the bBBC never quite manage to do the proper comparisons.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Really not fair to compare Public Sector workers with Teachers. Those hated NHS workers, for example, have averaged a I.2% rise over the last decade and pensions for those retired come out of existing worker contributions. And job security is a thing of the past in the NHS paradise.

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      • Number 88 says:

        ‘Those hated NHS workers, for example, have averaged a I.2% rise over the last decade’

        Where is the evidence, please, that they have averaged 1.2% ?

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        • Fedup says:

          They’ve gone off to make more £££ working agency – or doing both jobs – hence exhausted nursing saints . From personal experience I’ll never have any high regard for medics – its all about ££ for most of them .

          Its why the good ones clear off to oz or Canada after taking taxpayers money to be trained.

          The other thing al beeb never challenges is the morality of importing health workers from other countries? Who cares about what happens in their countries ?

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        • Sluff says:

          Weird. The Royal College of Nursing give pay scales with annual increments worth around 4%.
          Thats on top of the 1% cap.
          I do wish the public sector would be honest with the rest of us who pay for them.

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          • richard D says:

            Agreed Sluff.

            The public sector has, for years, complained about the pay scales not increasing fast enough, but somehow, the average wage eventually exceeded that of the private sector,and appears to be continuing in that vein. Never mind the pension benefits.

            This is achieved by lots of things that do not affect the basic increases in wage bands, such as annual increments, which are already built into the wage bands, automatic up-grading of staff, promotion based on service time, etc., etc. So they can still argue that the pay scales are not rising very quickly, but, of course,nobody is staying at the same point on the scale for any length of time.

            I’d love someone to do a proper survey looking at just how many peoples’ wages, in the public sector, had only risen by 1% annually over the past few years. I bet it ain’t very many. And I wonder if the total pay bill in any public sector organisation is anywhere near like rising at only 1% per annum ?

            But the BBC, of course, gives all sorts of interview space to Unions (under the coy disguise in the NHS, for example, of titles like ‘The royal College of….’, Federation of….’,’ Medical Association’, various ‘Societies’, etc., etc.screaming for more and more money.

            As I have said before, the real challenge to these people would be to say – ‘Look, there is a limit to what we can spend on the NHS – and if you want more money for your specialism, then tell us what other part of the NHS you have agreement with to reduce their budget by the amount you want, and then we can talk sensibly. But until then…..’

            Not gonna happen in a million years.

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      • Number 88 says:

        ‘Those hated NHS workers, for example, have averaged a I.2% rise over the last decade’

        Where is the evidence, please, that they have averaged 1.2% ?

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        • Up2snuff says:

          No88, think you need to think ‘average’. What originally was in place (2010) was a ‘freeze’ on NHS pay above a certain level (£25K from memory) and a guaranteed 1% rise (when in the private sector pay was, and still is, falling at lower levels) for everyone below that figure.

          The ‘freeze’ was relaxed I think (the BBC R4 referred to this yesterday) either after two years or two years ago. The pay rise guarantee for the low paid in the NHS, I think was continued at similar levels but mid-level earners may have been able to join in @1%+ also . Go check the details for yourself. It will be somewhere on-line.

          The NHS low paid have done really quite well – when compared to the Private Sector – under austerity.

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      • Sluff says:

        Gaxvil.
        I can’t figure how ironic or literal you are being but on a point of fact NHS workers pensions are paid out of the annual tax revenue. There is no pension pot allocated to them.
        It’s a hidden and fast-increasing annual public expenditure contributing to the annual deficit which absolutely never gets mentioned. The liability for NHS pensions went up £30bn in a single year. Never gets mentioned but its the rest of us who will have to pay. In the private sector the liability would have to be shown in the accounts. But its not convenient to mention such liabilities when talking about ‘NHS cuts’. Eventually the NHS will just be a giant pension fund administration organisation that does a bit of healthcare on the side.

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        • GCooper says:

          Something it will have in common with local councils, the Police and many other State run organisations. The BBC, too, but who is going to lift the lid on this sorry state of affairs? Not the BBC, for sure!

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          • Up2snuff says:

            There is a double-edged pension sword hanging by a thread above the head of the Chancellor of Exchequer in a future UK Government.

            It is not made of silk. Probably something far more fragile . . . .

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        • Kaiser says:

          with a normal pension scheme they would have to downgrade the benefits as they have done 4 times to mine since that one eyed scottish t**t stole/smashed/killed private pensions

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          • Lobster says:

            And which that other waste of oxygen Gideon did bugger all to reverse.

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  2. nogginator says:

    Seems to have disappeared from BBC politics page?
    QS Amendment? … To Firefighters, Policemen all the praise, warm words and
    … the Tory soft soap of the last few weeks as usual were all false?
    Have to say it as devious beneath contempt snakes go … right up there
    As usual the Tory lies … everything that is wrong with politics

    … political establishment business as usual
    Drain the swamp.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Wow they have 5 categories : ones “normal” and another one black, so that must be racist.
      Yet I fit in category “fair” my sister “sensitive”
      So we as white people are not “normal” either.

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  3. StewGreen says:

    BBC Watchdog must get it’s info from BBCnews
    They opened prog saying smat meters have to be installed by 2020 ..later repeated that claim
    ..everyone else knows that the Queeens speech last week included a delay in the rollout to 2025
    http://oaklandconsulting.com/smart-meters-last-breathing-space/

    http://utilityweek.co.uk/news/Smart-meter-roll-out-deadline-delayed/1305802
    OOPs ..this article has now a correction note
    They’ll be a new smart meter bill which may provide for changes
    “plans for a smart meter bill which will maintain its ability to make changes to regulations governing the rollout untill 2025. “

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    • StewGreen says:

      quote from bill notes screenshot
      “extend the Government’s ability to make changes to smart meter regulations by five years, making sure the rollout is delivered effectively, and that benefits are maximised into the future”

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      • GCooper says:

        That would be the zero benefits (and many disadvantages) which the BBC will never rigorously examine for fear of upsetting its Green masters.

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  4. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Brexit ‘will blow hole in budget’, EU commissioner warns””

    “”A big country, a net contributor is leaving,” Mr Oettinger said””

    “”The UK’s departure from the EU will leave a budget shortfall of at least €10bn (£8.8bn; $11.4bn), the budget commissioner has warned””

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40433450

    So, there you have it from the horse’s mouth. Britain pays in more than it receives.

    Oh dear, what a pity, never mind….

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    • GCooper says:

      There must be a world of cognitive dissonance in the BBC newsroom when they publish a story like that.

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  5. Fedup says:

    Horror of Horrors

    The albeeb publishing arm – The Guardian is carrying a sick making feature about media bias by – of all people – comrade Zoe Williams . Bit like an article by the Devil saying there’s no such thing as sin .

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    • StewGreen says:

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Jon Snow ‘cannot remember’ certain aspects of his visit to Glastonbury. Can he remember being there? Can he remember why he was there? Could he find his way home? Can he remember his name? Did he forget he was only on a 6 hour release pass ? Rather worrying, given his age, that he is losing his recent memory loss.

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      • Dave S says:

        Time he acted his age .Glastonbury is for the kiddies. I went to the first two and that was a long time ago.
        Now whenever I see or hear these lefties i think of the pink Duracell bunnies.
        Just say – pink bunny time- to yourself and it all looks stupid as it really is.
        Snow is one giant pink bunny. Dimbleby is another even bigger and little Maitlis and Kuenesberg are smaller and as for poor Evan he is the pink bunny who runs out of puff.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          I agree Dave S. When I was of the age in the late 60’s to go to the hippy festivals and concerts, and to suddenly see my Dad or worse my Granddad jigging about in the crowd, I would have been bloody mortified ! At that age you don’t want your parents to be a laughing stock. Snow would have been more at home at a Sounds of the 60’s concert – if he could remember that era !!! Its all very well being that awful phrase of ‘young at heart’ (yawn), but each generation needs their own ‘time’ – my Dad’s was the swing age of the 40’s, mine the 60’s pop scene and so on. Anyone aged 50 plus bopping around with teenagers at a pop concert is a bit sad.

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  6. Sluff says:

    The goverment won the Labour amendment on the Queens Speech.
    This news is relegated to the 4th story on the politics page.
    Meanwhile the biased seditious BBC are in full unstable government mode.
    Absolutely disgusting.

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  7. Pounce says:

    The bBC and their so called Defence experts;
    How much of a threat does Russia pose, and to whom?
    Jonathan Marcus of the buggering British children has knocked out an article about what big guns the Russians have, where he talks to experts on the Russian military (Corbyn?) and come out with a picture of the latest Russian tank (T-14 Armata) with the caption:
    “The Armata is a highly automated tank replacing much of Russia’s Soviet-era armour

    Is it bollocks yer daft bat replacing much of Russians soviet era Armour. The Russians have only built 20 of them so far and the only people who opined about how effective it was , was the British Army. Who due to defence cuts have not only 200 tanks in service, but has lost the ability to build new tanks. (heck the rifle the British use is over 30 years old) Hence their very own reason to proclaim the very poor status of the British army. Anyway the T-14 can only be built in limited numbers due to build time and cost. (Cost been the biggest factor here) which is why the Russians have set programs in place to upgrade over 500 T72s to the latest T72B3M status, 400 of their T90As to the T90M status and 550 T80s to T-80BV standard . Those 3 tanks are based on the T64 which due to Russian thinking at the time preferred small tanks, which is why Russian tanks have always lost when they have come up against their Western counterparts.
    “The T72 scared the pants off of NATO, Syria was the first foreign country to receive this new supertank and in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon, WW2 vintage Centurion tanks took out the T72 using the British 105mm L7 gun. The Russians suprised, took their T72 back to the drawing board, added extra armour to the front of the turret and hey presto we had the T72A aka the Dolly Patton (due to its two large bulges) and it still was crap, so the Russians added more and came up with the super dolly Patton. and it still lost in a bun fight. The same applies to the T80 and the T90

    As for the T14, the Yanks are on the case and are currently fielding new 120mm rounds , the French and Germans are looking into a 130mm gun and the Brits well we still have HESH which is why we have stuck with a rifled barrel .

    The bBC and their so called defence experts.

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  8. Pounce says:

    The bBC and their so called Defence experts;
    How much of a threat does Russia pose, and to whom?
    Jonathan Marcus of the buggering British children has knocked out an article about what big guns the Russians have, where he talks to experts on the Russian military (Corbyn?) and come out with a picture of the latest Russian tank (T-14 Armata) with the caption:
    “The Armata is a highly automated tank replacing much of Russia’s Soviet-era armour

    Is it bollocks yer daft bat replacing much of Russians soviet era Armour. The Russians have only built 20 of them so far and the only people who opined about how effective it was , was the British Army. Who due to defence cuts have not only 200 tanks in service, but has lost the ability to build new tanks. (heck the rifle the British use is over 30 years old) Hence their very own reason to proclaim the very poor status of the British army. Anyway the T-14 can only be built in limited numbers due to build time and cost. (Cost been the biggest factor here) which is why the Russians have set programs in place to upgrade over 500 T72s to the latest T72B3M status, 400 of their T90As to the T90M status and 550 T80s to T-80BV standard . Those 3 tanks are based on the T64 which due to Russian thinking at the time preferred small tanks, which is why Russian tanks have always lost when they have come up against their Western counterparts.
    “The T72 scared the pants off of NATO, Syria was the first foreign country to receive this new supertank and in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon, WW2 vintage Centurion tanks took out the T72 using the British 105mm L7 gun. The Russians suprised, took their T72 back to the drawing board, added extra armour to the front of the turret and hey presto we had the T72A aka the Dolly Patton (due to its two large bulges) and it still was crap, so the Russians added more and came up with the super dolly Patton. and it still lost in a bun fight. The same applies to the T80 and the T90

    As for the T14, the Yanks are on the case and are currently fielding new 120mm rounds , the French and Germans are looking into a 130mm gun and the Brits well we still have HESH which is why we have stuck with a rifled barrel .

    The bBC and their so called defence experts.

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  9. Pounce says:

    The bBC and their so called Defence experts;
    How much of a threat does Russia pose, and to whom?
    Jonathan Marcus of the buggering British children has knocked out an article about what big guns the Russians have, where he talks to experts on the Russian military (Corbyn?) and come out with a picture of the latest Russian tank (T-14 Armata) with the caption:
    “The Armata is a highly automated tank replacing much of Russia’s Soviet-era armour

    Is it bollocks yer daft bat replacing much of Russians soviet era Armour. The Russians have only built 20 of them so far and the only people who opined about how effective it was , was the British Army. Who due to defence cuts have not only 200 tanks in service, but has lost the ability to build new tanks. (heck the rifle the British use is over 30 years old) Hence their very own reason to proclaim the very poor status of the British army. Anyway the T-14 can only be built in limited numbers due to build time and cost. (Cost been the biggest factor here) which is why the Russians have set programs in place to upgrade over 500 T72s to the latest T72B3M status, 400 of their T90As to the T90M status and 550 T80s to T-80BV standard . Those 3 tanks are based on the T64 which due to Russian thinking at the time preferred small tanks, which is why Russian tanks have always lost when they have come up against their Western counterparts.
    “The T72 scared the pants off of NATO, Syria was the first foreign country to receive this new supertank and in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon, WW2 vintage Centurion tanks took out the T72 using the British 105mm L7 gun. The Russians suprised, took their T72 back to the drawing board, added extra armour to the front of the turret and hey presto we had the T72A aka the Dolly Patton (due to its two large bulges) and it still was crap, so the Russians added more and came up with the super dolly Patton. and it still lost in a bun fight. The same applies to the T80 and the T90

    As for the T14, the Yanks are on the case and are currently fielding new 120mm rounds , the French and Germans are looking into a 130mm gun and the Brits well we still have HESH which is why we have stuck with a rifled barrel .

    The bBC and their so called defence experts.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      The article straddles the border between ‘news’ and state (MOD) backed Russophobia (and I’m being fairly generous here). Here’s an alternative report that gives a different perspective http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-armata-t-14-tank-could-be-super-dangerous-the-18330

      I notice that the BBC cite Keir Giles of the Conflict Studies Research Centre (CSRC), who is widely respected as knowledgeable in this area. However, they forget to mention his own link with the BBC. Here’s what his bio on the CSRC website states:
      With the BBC Monitoring Service (BBCM), he reported on political and economic affairs in the former Soviet Union for UK government customers. As well as BBC broadcast experience…

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  10. Loobyloo says:

    Haven’t posted for a while because after the disastrous election, terrorist attacks and grenfell, the bias is complete – it would take too much time and energy to detail it. However, tonight,
    Decision on Fox’s Sky takeover due today
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40434381
    The bBBC are worried about this as they tell us….Fox News aren’t impartial!!! They are conservative, and support Trump!!! Ha ha ha ha…. Hard to believe they composed that with a straight face.
    Likewise, the beebs self irony
    Grenfell ‘miracle baby’: Why people invent fake victims of attacks and disasters
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40419479
    Article about fake news on Twitter mostly (obviously they’re experts on the matter). Of course the perpetrators are a self confessed fascist, and a far right actor. Not a lefty in sight cos they’re all perfect.

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    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      The BBC worry about all the competition and run fake news or one sided biased stories to discredit them.

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  11. Pounce says:

    Some days I wish I was white:

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    • Cranmer says:

      Someone please tell me that’s a joke and it’s actually John Sergeant in drag.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The unitification of nations in common cause here is a rare but wonderful thing

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  12. Tabs says:

    Anyone watch “The Week The Landlords Moved In” on BBC1 last night?

    A perfect example of the BBC pushing their socialist agenda on us. One landlord had a tenant who really couldn’t afford to live there (in London) and they put in a spanking new bathroom and kitchen, kept the rent the same for the next 2 years and offered to pay for her electricity. Earlier in the programme the family of the tenant all gathered around saying “she won’t be able to afford it if the rent goes up”. None of the family suggested they the family could help her out – oh no, that’s the job of a Landlord these days!

    The whole message to landlords was “you too can become a charity and run a house at a loss whilst the person staying there is living beyond their means”

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    • StewGreen says:

      emotional blackmail, shots of landlords brushing away a tear etc.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I did. The son wanted to spend this money on the tenant and the father saw it as a waste of money because she wouldn’t look after it and within a couple of years the flat would be back where it was. Whilst I could understand the son feeling for the tenant and wouldn’t have objected to spending a bit of money to spruce the place up, I was with the father in that you can’t let emotions over-ride hard facts in business.

      So how come the father not only gave into the son, with no explanation, but put in a bathroom suite of greater opulence than I could ever hope to afford? And in a week, with no notice given to tradesmen.

      I call bullshit.

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      • Kaiser says:

        No real landlord is going to fit somewhere out beyond their expected return
        and “offered to pay for her electricity” i smell a little more than bullshit there

        perhaps the said landlords are making more from BBC appearance fees than they are from the property

        were the lovely landlords effniks by any chance

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  13. Sluff says:

    A correspondent in the Telegraph today refers openly to the widescale practice of subletting council flats and the authorities turning a blind eye to it, including in particular at the Grenfell tower. Thank you, Mr Ludlow.

    Clearly the biased BBC are also turning a blind eye to this practice in the perpetual mournful anti-government ‘human interest’ tone of their coverage, and their highly selective choices of issues on which to focus.

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    • GCooper says:

      This is where the BBC really fails so badly. Its prime concerns with any story are with not giving offence to its client groups and promoting ‘progressive’ politics. It does that so completely that it neglects the essential duty of all reporting – to get to and reveal the truth. We see this over and over again, from its coverage of Muslim grooming scandals, to the NHS, to immigration, public spending, ‘global warming’ – the list is endless.

      Were the BBC to explore what was really going on at Grenfell Tower I have no doubt that it would open a huge can of worms. I am sure the BBC knows this, too. Even to suggest there are questions that need to be asked is deemed ‘offensive’ or ‘racist’. So the abuses continue, unreported and ignored.

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      • Cranmer says:

        GCooper, it’s basic cultural Marxism. There must always be an ‘oppressor’ and a ‘victim’ in any story. If the story is about council flat tenants in a Tory controlled borough, there is simply no argument over who the ‘victim’ is; even if every tenant was subletting and trashing the flats, they would still be ‘victims’ in some sense.

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    • richard D says:

      I could have sworn, when the complaints were flying around last week about tenants of Grenfell Tower having to sleeping their cars, in the open, etc, that a council representative defended the council on TV by saying that there were 129 families in the tower block and that 126 of those families had already been found alternative accommodation, so there was no need for anyone to be sleeping ‘rough’ (other sources later commented that there were only 120 apartments in the building, one third of which were one-bedroom apartments). Hmmm – but there are supposed to be about 80 fatalities as well.

      It was, however, the final, throwaway comment which caught my attention a bit…. that there had been 250 applications for the immediate financial handouts being offered. Interesting – I would have thought that only surviving official tenants would be able to claim – if there were surviving visitors in the flats, they could presumably return to their own abodes, and claim for any losses through the tenants’ insurance (yeah, right, I wonder how many were actually insured for losses).

      I have looked again and again for some repetition, or clarification of these numbers, but it all seems to have gone very quiet as to who, and how many, are pushing in claims for losses.

      The story that there were a thousand fire doors missing from the blocks in Camden has taken a nose-dive as well lately. And I haven’t heard who was responsible for regular surveys of fire precautions in these buildings – who might just have noticed the absence of 1,000 fire doors (????). Plenty of opprobrium for the current government, of course, because that’s where the money will eventually come from.

      There are so many questions that need to be asked and answered here…. and not just of national government.

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      • richard D says:

        Oops – I have only just noticed Up2snuff’s post below – apologies for any repetition.

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  14. StewGreen says:

    R5 9am News contained what was obvious pre- PR for G20 summit in Germany next week
    “Angela Merkel has said despite the US pulling out of Paris, Global Warming is an existentialist threat”

    Interesting that they used the words “Global Warming”
    SBS story uses that wording and is sourced from AFP

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, now that the ‘hiatus’ is gaining ‘official recognition’ perhaps they are hoping that they can charge motorists and flyers and electricity users more tax (to pay for other things) on the back of what may be a rather exceptionally good spring and summer in Europe?

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  15. Up2snuff says:

    I note from the concentration of the BBC’s news efforts on R4 last evening that there is increasing confusion over the habitation that was available in Grenfell Tower. We were told initially there were 120 apartments (I checked that online in the immediate aftermath and it appeared correct), I’ve heard mention of – I think – 151 (see my post yesterday in reply to one from Cranmer) but yesterday evening, the BBC mentioned 129. We also know – if BBC reporting was correct – that someone (if not everyone, sadly) from 109 households escaped that awful blaze.

    Now it could be that some legal sub-division was done of larger apartments in the tower block at the time of refurbishment. Or it could be that the BBC are being very careless in their reporting and thus stoking both the anguish of surviving residents and their visitor friends – and their wider group of relatives and friends – together with the anger directed at local and national government and fire & police services.

    Careless – inaccurate – unchecked – reporting by a most trusted and respected broadcaster causing trouble?

    Surely not?

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    • EnglandExpects says:

      The only reason there’s any confusion about numbers who have died is illegal subletting of the social housing flats and no doubt further informal letting by these residents as well as those in the private flats. . How else has London housed a 2 million increase in its population? . Neither the management company nor private landlords will therefore have proper records of who was there. Hence the confusion. Why can’t the media just come clean about this? All we see is ‘outrage’ from residents and stupid cover up conspiracy theories by lefties like Lily Allen, who no doubt lives in expensive Notting Hill but is touted by C4 as a ‘local resident’ which apparently gives her carte blanche to mouth off about anything. Many of the residents will be illegal migrants with no proper documents.
      The media just cannot bring itself to tell the truth about immigration . All it does is feed on pointless emoting.

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      • Cranmer says:

        EnglandExpects, we will see more of these ‘hoist by their own petard’ lefties in double-binds because they can’t tell the truth about things. A recent example is two middle aged women in Sweden who are being prosecuted for having sex with ‘minors’ in a refugee camp. It is highly unlikely the young men are under 16, but to admit otherwise would show they should not have been in the country in the first place. So these women have to go to prison.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      A future generation may look back at this time and wonder whether the Government’s incitement of people to come to this country, regardless of the wishes of or consequences to the indigenous population or those people themselves, amounted to some form of ‘crime against humanity’.

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    • JimS says:

      The Post Office allocate two post codes to Grenfell Tower:

      W11 1TQ has 60 addresses
      W11 1TG has 70 addresses

      I haven’t checked with Ms. Abbott but I make that 130 total.

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  16. Kaiser says:

    soft soaping jihadi jack on vd
    hes so lovely, he went for the best reasons he doesnt agree with ISIS
    blah blah blah
    its all assad fault
    he should be back here to answer questions blah blah

    swinging from a soap softened rope would be my suggestion

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    • ID says:

      Father says Jack is the product of “Canadian multiculturalism” and fully buys into British values because “the Queen’s head is on the money”. Nuff said!

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  17. StewGreen says:

    Noticed BBC rowing back on the Cardinal Pell story
    Last night they were acting as if the pressing of charges , means they are true.
    Now with the update that Pell is flying back too Oz to defend himself they have softened.

    Andrew Bolt has been monitoring the ABC witch hunt against Pell for years
    ..now there was always the possibility there was something in it, but up to now there’s been no concrete evidence.
    Bolt Today
    …………….
    Bolt on CNN/Trump

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  18. Tabs says:

    I’m surprised the BBC editors let this one slip through the net. Surely “Albanian” should have reworded to “men” and “Pakistani” should have been worded as “Asian”

    Albanian gangs ‘controlling’ UK drug trafficking market
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40439802

    Among those to emerge as a “significant threat” were Albanian gangs – which the agency said had particular influence on the cocaine market.

    The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups “dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics”, while Turkish and Pakistani groups “continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK”.

    Can you feel that enrichment!

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    • EnglandExpects says:

      I can’t believe how the BBC report this without a hint of irony. After all it’s they who want open borders. Albania is not in the EU and I don’t think anyone from Albania can credibly claim to need asylum. So how did they get in? Once more it’s our useless border force and it’s political masters, most recently May and Rudd but before that Reid, Smith and other labour Home Secretaries . None of them really wanted to stop immigration. Illegal gang activity, mass rapes, more prostitution,trafficking , pick pocketing and any other crime you care to name is the result. Politicians have in effect declared war on their own country .

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Politicians have in effect declared war on their own country .
        Indeed. See my earlier posting on whether immigration policy consitutes a crime against humanity. Perhaps the term ‘war crime’ is more appropriate.

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  19. MarkyMark says:

    How accurate are weather reports? How accurate are Earth Climate Models? This is just a thought, not to belittle the effort and research that goes into building models to predict climate changes. But I did wonder that if we are using the same principles, big assumption here, that we use for weather prediction (models/calculations/computing power) then how often does the BBC get the weather right?

    How good are the weather forecasts? weather.slimyhorror.com – 2017-06-28
    “So what have we learned? Can we fault the prescience of the BBC’s five day forecasts? Yes. The weather predicted by the BBC for four days time was just 30-40% accurate – i.e. they get it wrong around two times out of three…The moral of this is don’t use the forecast to book time off work! :)”

    If weather reporting was say 99% accuracy rather than 30%-40%, I wonder if that would make a difference to how Climate Change models are viewed? I suppose the question could be asked – how many models have been thrown away compared to how many have followed the actual changes in the climate? Are the models getting better?

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    • Old Goat says:

      Weather forecasts beyond a day or two, are rarely likely to be correct. Unless the prevailing weather is set in a regime which is unlikely to change quickly, then the forecasts, generally, are unlikely to change, or be wrong (other than local variations). As the atmosphere is constantly in turmoil, and therefore largely unpredictable, models are relied upon for forecasts – many different world-wide meteorological agencies produce their own models, most of which differ from the rest, and an average is taken, on which the forecasts are based…
      … and we all know how unreliable models can be –

      It’s all largely guesswork – even more so for long-term climate modelling, which is evidenced by the number of times all their predictions of doom, gloom and climatic Armageddon have either come to nought, or been reversed.

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    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Weather represents short term changes while climate represents long term changes. Weather is impacted to a certain extent by chaotic uncertainty within the atmosphere, while climate is not – because it all averages out. The important thing is that the same models are used for the weather as for the climate, which means the models are always being tested and developed in terms of the weather.

      Now what does it mean for a weather forecast to be accurate? The model might predict it is going to rain, but rain can be highly localised, so the model might predict it rains in Leeds, but instead it rains in Birmingham – so the weather forecast is “wrong”. But that level of detail is not relevant to climate.

      Climate models are not only used to predict the future but they are also used to better understand the past – in terms of paleo-climate. There are independent ways of determining past climate other than these models – so these models can be tested in the paleo-climate sense.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        BoBotC, I think climate is a bit more than long term weather alteration.

        It can relate to global positioning as well as geophysical features. San Francisco is a prime example of this. Then environmental factors can also come into play, such as deforestation and defoliation. The areas around Lake Turkana (formerly Rudolph) in northern Kenya, defoliated by overgrazing of the cattle belonging to nomadic pastoral peoples there, would be an example of that and desertification. These latter activities may make temporary changes to climate but there is also the possibility of reversal, ironically, with the help of lots of CO2 and remedial action.

        The above tends to be ignored by much of the ‘mentalist’ community and the politicians but, hey! The science is settled.

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        • MarkyMark says:

          This was an interesting find. Desertification is a fancy word for land that is turning to desert.
          Allan Savory // works to promote holistic management in the grasslands of the world / 4 Mar 2013

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      • Manxman says:

        You dont hlf talk some shite.

        ”The important thing is that the same models are used for the weather as for the climate, which means the models are always being tested and developed in terms of the weather”

        Classical Newtonian weather models are used in meteorology, they have zero GHE plugged in.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      MM, the Met have done very well recently with their BBC w/s supplied hour-by-hour forecast even going to the full ten day limit. Mind you, it’s not been particularly difficult, however, for the south-east of England for much of this year so far.

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  20. StewGreen says:

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    • StewGreen says:

      The NEW Rochdale abuse documentary will air on Monday July 3 at 8.30pm on BBC One and will have a run time of 90 minutes.

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      • wronged says:

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40444654
        Sky/Fox takeover deal likely to face competition probe.

        I feel completely let down by the Tories. Talk about shooting yourself i the foot. Our Culture clearly does not watch the BBC.
        Today she states the Government is minded to refer 21st Century Fox’s takeover of Sky plc to the Competition and Markets Authority.

        Karen Bradley you are an incompetent wimp of a woman.

        So we have to go to a Phase 2 investigation which will take a further six months. She seems to be all she can to block the deal going deal. The City also expected this deal to go through today.

        Even OFCOM gave Fox a clean bill of health in terms of its broadcasting standards. OFCOM’s main concern was the Murdoch family trust and their influence as shareholders. Their concerns emananted around their current control of 21st Century Fox, News Corp, The Sun, The Times, Sunday Times and the Wall Street Journal. Thus OFCOM were worried about -media polarity. Yes I’ll say it again OFCOM ARE WORRIED ABOUT MEDIA POLARITY.

        No other country in which Sky broadcast is worried about this point. Even the EU, when it published its findings on April 7th had no issue on grounds of competition.

        What is interesting is that on OFCOM’s own data on 15 of the most watched news outlets in the UK, only three of them are part share owned by the Murdoch family trust, The Sun, Sky News and the Sky News website.
        7 OF THE 15 ARE OWNED BY THE BBC.

        This Government is so toothless and ridiculous to be true. It is beyond words what that simpleton Bradley did today.

        This Government seems too stupid/mentally weak for words. If this is the level of judgment contained in the cabinet then our dealings with the EU look doomed.
        I am so angry . We deparately need a strong right wing voice on the television. Fox could have served that purpose.

        Karen Bradley. You are a disgrace. SACK HER.

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        • Roland Deschain says:

          Surely we will soon be at the point where that can be provided via the internet? So many now watch via Amazon Prime or Netflix. The market must be there for it, so it just needs some enterprising soul with a bit of capital to do it.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          wronged, I’m going to disagree here but only on the basis that I do not approve that in a regulated market economy, monopolistic practices are allowed to continue. Whether it is Fox/Sky/BSB or eBay/PayPal or some other, we should – especially following the privatisations of the 1980a, 1990s and 2000s – have at the very least, two competitors (preferably more than two) in any field.

          If it was down to me, I would make Murdoch give up BSB if he wants to make Fox a full part of his UK operation, if necessary ‘giving’ it away to form a competitor company as it was, if I recall correctly, in the beginning.

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          • wronged says:

            Up2snuff

            You right, but only in an ideal world.
            We need a Right wing counter balance.
            The media monopoly is with the BBC Left.
            ITV,Channel 4, Channel 5 are all of the Left. Sky is currently Leftwards also.

            I wonder sometimes if the the Tories are trying to get me to vote for Corbyn. This decision is a good example.

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            • Up2snuff says:

              Can we not work toward one? An ideal world? That’s what politicians are there for!!

              I was young when European satellite broadcasting started. It has been a long time getting here. Not that having a contract for telly watching has ever really interested me.

              I agree that we need a counterbalance, not necessarily ‘right wing’ although I would not be surprised if that soubriquet was unfairly applied to Fox by LeftMob as a means of closing down argument. Certainly a balance to the BBC and Channel 4 is needed at present.

              On a different tack, I wonder if at some point (this year’s Glasto, perhaps?) the BBC will overdo things and Lord Hall will become the proud possessor of a brand new P45. That is not a Rover car, btw.

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              • wronged says:

                Up2 snuff,
                Good point about ‘overcooking the Left wing egg’ at the end of your post.

                However, your comment

                ‘I agree that we need a counterbalance, not necessarily ‘right wing’’
                I have always taken the maxim- ‘he who stands in the middle of the road gets run over.’ to be true in life.

                Compromises rarely work. They create more problems than they solve.
                We need a Right Wing USA Fox style news.

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                • Up2snuff says:

                  Ah ha! I wondered what those tyre marks were, when I took a bath those times. Now I know. Think you may have diagnosed my problem, wronged. I wobble between left and right or right and left but obviously my dodging technique failed me on more than one occasion.

                  You have a point. There’s a balance in print media at present but maybe broadcast media does need Fox. Or Breitbart TV?

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        • Doublethinker says:

          Wronged,
          This is yet more proof if any were needed that the Tories are content with the BBC et al news and current affairs monopoly in our country. Clearly the BBC has no love of the Tories and does them great harm with its extreme liberal left bias. So why do the Tories pass up an opportunity to introduce another voice with a different view into the news sources in our country? Particularly when this could have been done without the Tories having to take on the BBC directly, we know they are scared of the Corporation. My view is that all our politicians from all parties know that we are sitting on a time bomb caused by mass migration. Introducing a new news provider with a right of centre viewpoint might allow unwanted truths to be told to the public which could move us another few notches closer to detonation.
          If there were some credible strategy for defusing the time bomb this might be the right course of action, but there is no such strategy and with every passing month the situation deteriorates further.
          It is also the same reasoning that makes all political parties agree on the need to control the internet. They dress it up with all sorts of fancy language but what they want is the power to control and censor what the public can see on the net.

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          • Manxman says:

            Well put DT.

            Obfuscation by kicking the can down the road, but old Rupert, ain’t no quitter.

            The parties are different only in name, as far as the majority of all MP’s our future is set in stone, they are as one, Collectivists .. andwe have to be kept as blindsided as possible, in that respect the media are their cheer leading allies.

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  21. StewGreen says:

    Now is Bradford the New Rotherham ?
    – Yorkshire Post reports 20 men guilty of abuse of boy started thru online grooming, Social Services admitting massive failure
    …no ethnicities mentioned.
    http://www.pulse2.co.uk/news/local/childrens-services-failed-in-their-duty-to-protect-bradford-grooming-victim/
    – Bradford mothers being involved in honour crimes..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40367910

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  22. Up2snuff says:

    Some double-edged praise for the BBC. At last, someone has investigated Food Bank use: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40431701

    What a shame they did not do it when people were making various ‘claims’ before and during the General Election campaign this year.

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  23. Tabs says:

    John Bercow: MPs don’t need to wear ties
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40446102

    Slowly we are moving to an Islamic state.

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    • Cranmer says:

      Probably less about Islam, and more about making everywhere in the UK look like some Common-Purpose inspired benefits office/EU council chamber devoid of any tradition or style. You don’t see Rees Mogg with one of those ID card ribbons so why is the tieless MP in the picture flaunting his? I bet he would love to see the Palace of Westminster replaced with some bland EU talking shop where everyone has a little desk and microphone to hide behind.

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    • wronged says:

      Not wearing a tie demonstrates a lack of respect for the position they hold.
      A lack of respect for the people they represent.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        I think Tabs is correct here. Bercow and the elite know that there will be many more Moslem MPs in the near future and you can’t expect them to wear ties which, so they say, resemble a Christian Cross. Expect them to turn up in their baggy pyjamas.

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  24. MarkyMark says:

    Jeremy “For the Many (<88K), Not the Few (>88K)” Corbyn can now start adding to the naughty and nice list …
    https://twitter.com/LaughingAtLefty/status/880358685251436545

    Former Sunderland City Council chief executive Dave Smith received a £185,470 ‘golden handshake’, accounts have revealed. The payment – or compensation for loss of office – form part of a total remuneration package of £625,570, which also included his £108,686 annual salary and £331,414 in pension contributions…Dr Smith left the authority just weeks after a damning Ofsted report into children’s social services failings.”
    – sunderlandecho.com – 21June2016

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  25. Guest Who says:

    Trying to decide whether the screed of emails from Norm or this charmer really show the BBC has totally given up worrying about its remit.

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  26. G.W.F. says:

    Merkel to lead her EU satellites against Trump on Climate deal.

    We know Treezer is in Merkel’s pocket.

    ‘Mrs Merkel will be joined by leaders including Mr Trump, Britain’s Theresa May and newly-elected French President Emmanuel Macron. The latter has made his views on Mr Trump’s climate change stance entirely clear, pledging to “make the planet great again” – a play on the American president’s election slogan….”The European Union unconditionally stands by its agreement in Paris and will implement it speedily and with determination.’

    Treezer is for Brexit, my arse.

    BTW. Trump is visiting Macron, but he seems to have been banned by Treezer. Perhaps she has been listening to her Toy Boy Emir of London

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40441143

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  27. Cranmer says:

    The other day someone posted a video of a pro-Brexit ‘conservative commentator’ wiping the floor with some Remainers on a BBC TV interview. It had little captions making fun of the expressions on the Remainers’ faces. Could somebody remind me who the gentleman was or give a link to the video? Thanks.

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    • wronged says:

      Cranmer
      I think it was Alex Deane.
      Used to work for Cameron on communications

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      • Cranmer says:

        Wronged, thank you – that’s him.

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        • Manxman says:

          Enjoy Cranmer, watch their faces on the camera pan around them, i liken it to them all having sucked on ice lollies, only to be informed the lollies are made from Tommy Robinsons urine.

          Their faces……………speak a thousand words,……………….however their restraint is very noticeable,,,, instead of being noticeable only by its absence with lefty gaggles and gatherings.

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  28. Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

    I see that this site “biased bbc” in another thread has removed my post and TABS post where we refute NCBBC & Manxman’s assertion that Climate Change Science is complete hokum. That tells me that this site is on some things a conspiracy theorist site. What a pity – so good luck to all.

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    • Tabs says:

      I was wondering what happened to our posts. If they have been removed then this site is no better than the BBC itself which attempts to control the narrative.

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      • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

        It is disappointing. It means I can no longer engage with this site on certain matters. Oh well – nothing is perfect.

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    • wronged says:

      Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate

      I didn’t see the posts.

      Were you at all rude or offensive, this site is always open to diferent opinions. I’m surprised unless of course you were rude or offensive.
      I’m sure you can discuss all matters which concern you with reference to BBC bias. I would suggest you post again on the subject. I find it hard to believe that you would have been zapped had you posted a polite well constructed argument. Try again.

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      • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

        I said “NCBBC and Manxman are wrong” – then I said the basic physics behind it was discovered in the nineteenth century, that Svante Arrhenius predicted it in 1897 – then provided a youtube clip of a class room demonstration of it. But I am not going to touch this subject again with a barge pole on this site.

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        • Tabs says:

          …and then I posted about the stacks of evidence supporting climate change and that one particular poster was looking for confirmation bias of their climate change denial beliefs.

          That’s about as offensive as it got.

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    • Manxman says:

      Your lying, i kept refreshing waiting for your reply, your a beeb chameleon…..so take your sock-puppet Tabs and do one.

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      • StewGreen says:

        Interesting .. Manxman
        ..I dont want Climate activist posts deleted , cos they are easy to debunk.
        I note they don’t think calling people “denier” (without stating what people are supposed to be denying) is offensive ..it is ..and therefore could be grounds for deletion.

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        • Manxman says:

          Yeah it is trolling, if you retaliate, they take victim status, and ”how rude”, they have zero self-awareness or are just plain taking the piss when they do it.
          I am conditioned to a ”he is taking the piss’ response because i just didnt believe they could not realise what they are doing.
          I now realise they most aren’t aware, they just parrot their activist bloggers., and it comes as a shock when you retaliate.
          They are meme and vox pop bots.

          Same muppits will then go into their psycho-analysing mode, and tell me all about my cognitive dissonance, as they explain how you cover a warm surface with an ice cold atmosphere to trap heat at the surface.

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        • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

          Hi StewGreen, my removed comment has been restored. You can read it on the “Hurry up and die you stupid Brexiteers” thread and judge for yourself. However, I am not going to make any further comments on science per se on this forum. I thought I was being helpful as it encompasses part of my area of expertise, but clearly I overstepped the mark for this site. I didn’t join this forum to try to explain science – I came here because I was concerned about BBC bias. You are someone who has been helpful to me recently in answering one of my questions and I want that to remain the same. I think the majority of us here are concerned with the BBC Bias and we should ALL pull together in the same direction on that front. Best wishes.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    Open Country on BBC Radio 4: “Alison Mitchell meets the people who cultivate the sporting landscape at Wimbledon and ensure that the …”

    Jesus just like Countryfile, R4 has a Towny view of what country side is.

    It’s not about London urban Tennis Club

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  30. Manxman says:

    The BBC reporting and dumbing down whilst knowing the grooming and abuse scandal is huge.
    Same BBC who has taken up the running here in the UK of Paedo-Phobia. utter bastards, should be screaming protect our children, instead we get, ”well you know it really isnt the minor-attracted’s fault, it is a mental disorder they have no control over, and if we just take the stigma/taboo away from being minor-attracted, these people can get the help they need, they are as much a victim of Minor-attraction as the child.

    Cut their festering brown balls off, then send them to watch Millwall with an i’m a kiddie fiddler sign round their worthless neck.

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  31. StewGreen says:

    Hillsborough 1997 to 2009 nothing happened re inquiries
    Who was in government then ?
    2009 restarted with independent panel.

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  32. Foscari says:

    There is an interesting article on the comments page of the Times today by Janice Turner, she writes.
    I watched a recent addition of the BBC news with fascination. Fiona Bruce cut to Katya Adler,the Europe
    editor in Paris, who narrated a film clip featuring Angela Merkel. Then it was over to Laura Kuenssburg, the political
    editor,discussing Theresa ay and Nicola Sturgeon and back to Fiona in the studio.
    Ten minutes of the bulletin had passed, key world events been examined and we hadn’t seen a single man. Had anyone
    else noticed?
    Yes I noticed , but this is the new norm on the BBC. I was going to make a comment about this for sometime, but I
    was afraid of being classified as a male chauvinist pig. To be honest I thought was I becoming paranoid.
    But there is an agenda at the BBC led by their diversity and positive discrimination department. The Daily Mail once
    had a front page feature on a ” Black,lesbian, Jewish MP. ” There was a pecking order. The BBC now has a
    pecking order. Who ticks the right boxes. And numero uno that doesn’t are white indigenous Englishmen.
    To be honest I am still amazed that Gary Lineker is allowed to present ” Match of the Day.” But give it a couple of
    years at the most. And if it isn’t a woman presenting it , it will be one of their plethora of ethnic staff that tick the right
    boxes for the Diversity and positive discrimination department.

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  33. Manxman says:

    It will be the ”retired” Englands ladies team Captain, or ”superstar of the day, an ”expert” that’s for sure, bet you she will have been playing football atleast 5yrs at the pinnacle of ladies football.

    And ps, the dumbing down of the talking-heads is what has made watching the news, panel guests etc virtually un-watchable, they truly are clueless.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      At my local rugby club it was a full house watching the British Lions v NZ men’s rugby on Sky Sports.

      When the game finished, Sky Sports immediately went over to wimmins international cricket featuring the England side.

      The room emptied in a nanosecond….

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  34. Manxman says:

    All part of our Pavlovian conditioning imo, the left know no other way, the feminisation of society is a phase to weaken our societies, it will pass when wimmin are no longer a tool to the marxists.

    The clenched fist of communism, whichever flavour, delivered in the velvet glove of wimmin, most clueless cogs of the great rousing commie machine we fired up when the wall came down.

    How many famous Marxist or any flavour commie leaders have been wimmin.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Manxman, two I think but I cannot remember names, Ida something. I’m not being funny here, I genuinely cannot remember their names. Was Tina Modotti a Communist, too?

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      • Manxman says:

        Oh yeah i realise there would be some from history who rose thru the ranks, psychopaths are not only male, and ”loyalty” a rare commodity at the top, but it is the male psychopaths that murder millions, but maybe millions have died at the hands of a woman, i just dont know. it always seem to me they are ruthless ”father-figures. ”uncle joe”. etc.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Ulrike Meinhof is fairly famous as a Far Left activist and terrorist. One other name I had lurking at the back of my mind, helped to the front by Wiki, was Rosa Luxembourg.

          Ida Klar is a name I have floating around in my head. Maybe she was just a Communist spy. Perhaps I have got her completely muddled up from somewhere else.

          You are right about the death toll but often behind men are the women! Back to Baader-Meinhof and Red Army Faction.

          wronged, in his posts above, was looking for a ‘right wing’ TV broadcaster to balance the BBC & C4.

          I tend to associate extreme Left and Right as being the same thing. Both seek to deny freedom whereas (true) Conservatism as well as its small ‘c’ neighbour seeks to set people free.

          Far Left and Far Right seek to exert control on society and over all aspects of society from moderate up to a level of maximum. In contrast true Conservatism grants people rights but requires a measure of responsibility in return, and seeks only to exert minimum control for a well-ordered society.

          Far Left and Far Right either deny any external Divine being or seek to exploit any beliefs in such for their own purposes, again, of control. True Conservatism and conservatism tends toward a Judao-Christian faith and its constancy & eternality because of the above two contrasts and also because it and the Divine seeks the best for and in all peoples. That includes the freedom to believe and not believe. In contrast the Far Right and Far Left expect total belief compliance in and with their projected ‘beliefs’ (which may vary over time) and its ‘system’. Any dissenters must of necessity, as far as F/Right & F/Left are concerned, be mentally ill or defective and should be locked up or done away with.

          Before we give ourselves nightmares, let’s have a round of applause for the Founding Fathers and those who wrote the American Constitution.

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          • Kaiser says:

            can Iput a vote in for Merkel , she will have much (more) blood on her hands

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  35. Manxman says:

    Tribal at both extremes, but the extreme Left starts alot closer to the centre of any scale imo.

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  36. Guest Who says:

    Interesting what the BBC can see fit to RT at times:

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