The BBC announced this morning that the ‘research group’ British Future had discovered that Leave voters want immigration to increase, all except for very low skilled workers.
Now British Future is not a ‘research group’, it is a pro-immigration lobby group and this latest discovery is in fact a rehash of the same poll from last year which makes the result somewhat suspicious as you may ask how can it be so very nearly exactly the same…and who can believe that Brexit voters want an increase in migration of even highly skilled migrants….only as last resort would they accept such a thing.
Disturbing to find that this left-wing group has joined forces with the highly dubious ‘Hope not Hate’ to lobby and ‘advise’ government on immigration policy…if this latest report is anything to go by you wouldn’t trust either of them to produce much in the way of truthful analysis…
The government should do more to engage the public in decision-making on immigration. The National Conversation Immigration, coordinated by British Future and Hope not Hate, offers a model of how to do this, hosting 120 meetings in 60 locations in every nation and region of the UK, and reporting its findings to the Home Affairs Committee Immigration Inquiry. An annual ‘Migration Day’ report to Parliament by the Home Secretary could also serve as a focal point for greater engagement, transparency and accountability.
If you can’t beat them, import more voters.
Excellent article Alan.
And in the latest poll by the Research Group “Reds Forever”, it has been revealed that blue is in fact red.
Here we go . Thickos and uglies are against what this pressure group wants , virtuous and young intelligent want more of it .
Now why don’t they go to Africa countries and see if they want more immigration . How does Venuzuala fare in this topic ? China too ?
When the liberal Remainers succeed in bogging down Brexit and bleating that it is impossible and highly dangerous to leave, you can expect endless spurious polls suggesting that the country has now changed its mind and now wants to Remain. Needless to say, these polls will be treated with great reverence by the BBC and regarded as entirely truthful. Any polls showing Leave in the majority will be at first suppressed but if it gets out into the media or social medi it will be rubbished and then buried under another deluge of pro EU spurious polls. Sit back and watch the manipulation of an entire country by the elite. Unfortunately whilst we can post on this site , tell friends and family what is going on, there is little else we can do to prevent democracy being trampled in the mud by the liberal left elite. Leavers need to be organised in order to protest but unlike the left there are no Leaver storm troopers to enforce their political views on others.
Hi Doublethinker – funny this is never brought up 5 months after a general election or a council election – such as “we need a new general election because people have changed their mind”.
An opinion poll that samples maybe a few hundred up to a few thousand people maximum, is never the same as a full scale general election or a full scale referendum that samples EVERYONE bothered enough to vote.
The remainiacs are using the same tactics as those Scottish nationalists that want to keep repeating the Scottish Independence referendum until the people make the “right choice”.
The BBC have always pretended that those who voted leave, were stupid people who wanted no immigration at all. The BBC then had a laugh about how these ignorant masses didn’t understand how the NHS depended upon overseas staff.
For the record, I don’t know anyone who is against a doctor from overseas coming to the country as long as they fill out the correct forms, are vetted for clinical competence and checked to ensure they don’t want to kill all non believers.
Controlled immigration is the aim.
It was always the thinnest of straw man arguments.
Ok, so now you found one – I am against doctors coming from overseas.
While British kids are sitting on the dole, or doing ‘media studies’ or some such useless garbage at university, we have a chronic shortage of healthcare professionals, because we are not training any. Then, because we have a shortage, so we go to the poorest countries on the planet, approach individuals who have been trained through their education and health systems for years, and offer those people 10 times the money to come and work in the UK. Who knows how many people are condemned to illness and death in other countries because we steal away the healthcare resources that have been skilled up to provide for them?
It is absolutely indefensible, to take much needed life-saving skills from poorer countries and poorer people just because we cannot be arsed to get our own house in order.
This is so completely wrong on all levels that I am starting to believe there may even be an Orwellian master-plan’ behind all of this – making it almost impossible for British people to become doctors, import doctors to fill the gap, thus making most people dependent on ‘foreiners’ for their crucial healthcare.
Grrrrrrrrr.
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You forgot to mention that 80% of Doctors struck off are not British.
That 75% of medical mistakes, at least those we hear about, are made by people who are not British.
That 80% of Doctors sent to jail are not British.
Not only are they not British, they are inferior to Doctors who are British.
Cheating in medical examinations is well known in Pakistan and India.
Well, ‘goodness gracious me’, as Peter Sellars once said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3004353/Remarkable-pictures-dozens-people-scaling-four-storey-building-pass-cheating-relatives-notes-high-pressure-school-leaving-exams-India.html
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/0142159X.2014.947928?journalCode=imte20
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/indian-court-bars-hundreds-of-student-doctors-over-cheating-on-exams
Picture of relatives scaling a wall to pass notes to students sitting exams
This is amazing, I trust our Government and/or NHS will now be checking over all the Indian and Pakistani doctors credentials?
Working Futures is a comprehensive and detailed model of the UK labour market. It projects the future size and shape of the labour market by considering employment prospects by industry, employment status. {gov.uk – Working Futures 2014 to 2024: headline report}
– Seems the UK Government have reports on this stuff
I don’t understand how the liberal lefties can live their hypocrisy. They demand that we send billions in aid each year to the third world . They claim life is hellish in all manner of countrys and that the people leaving these hell holes and coming here are refugees from humanitarian crisis. Then they want us to take some of the very few doctors that these country have and employ them in the NHS to look after us. Surely we ought to be sending as many doctors as possible to these stricken countrys , not taking them away.
But of course the liberals use whatever emotive argument they can , even if they are contradictory , to justify their absurd and highly dangerous immigration policy.
Lojo – I think you have made a very relevant point . I also think there may also be some sort Soros type influences as to how much of our “yoof” (from the time of Blair and his -“EDUCAYSHON, EDUCAYSHON, EDUCAYSHON speech) and many of our less academic students (like me really) were encouraged to have expectations beyond the limit of their ability and were thus shepherded into undertaking degrees in meeja or David Beckham studies instead of going into a more artisan profession where they would have at least achieved some self respect , if not the steller salaries they hoped for.
Many of the less able students were protected from doing any sort of work at all with a benefits system that is/was easy to cheat and full of clauses which meant that even a slight medical problem could be easily ramped up by a harangued Doctor into a disability which enabled the claimant to get large amounts of benefit.
Not only was this unfair to properly disabled people (whos illness was not caused by eating too much choclate and watching too much telly) But it also meant that people who would normally have done many of the less desirable jobs – no longer had too as they could earn just as much sitting at home.
Result = Instead of making fit people undertake these less desirable jobs the immigration floodgates were quietly opened so that these less able people would not have the stress of having to learn some sort of work ethic and instead see themselves as victims. Once this had gone on for a few years you have basically created a subclass of people who do not see honest work as anything to aspire to.
BTW, I totally agree with you on the bulk of this – people complain about boatloads of army-aged men marching in columns down European roads, and the BiasedBBC will say ‘oh, so therefore you don’t want doctors here to help sick people’. Totally dishonest and totally misleading.
As a bit of a side-issue, I do remember the first few ‘interviews’ that the BBC produced when the European floodgates opened – it was absolutely laughable that every single person they interviewed was massively qualified – people sitting on the beach on a rock were all, without exception : a brain surgeon / a rocket engineer / a mathematician / a nuclear physicist . Of course, no paperwork was present, there is no doubt in my mind that 90% if not 100% were faked, but were the interviewees lying to the BBC or did the interviewers set that up?
Setting aside the ‘results’ for a moment there are two tricks being played here that are the stock-in-trade of all ‘activist’ organisations.
The first is the use of nuance in asking the question which is then conveniently ignored when coming up with the answer. I once worked for an organisation that loved to do staff attitude surveys, often with seven choices. In reality there was only one way to get one’s ‘vote’ in and that was to tick one or other of the ‘extreme’ votes as all the other choices would be swept up into the response that was sought. (This technique has a further benefit as few people totally agree or disagree with a given position so are relieved to find that there is a slightly less exteme option that they can go for, not realising that it may well be lumped in with ‘the other side’).
The second trick is to use a rate rather than absolute numbers. (This is a trick often used by the Civil Servants to confuse their political ‘masters’, sometimes ‘rate of change’ or even ‘rate of rate of change’ are used too – ‘no-one’ understands that one!). Thus the people being surveyed are asked about ‘immigration’. What they would like to be asked is “Are you happy with the number of foreigners in this country” as that is what they see and that absolute number is what has a bearing on their lives, good or bad. The question though is whether the tap should be opened, closed or left alone, i.e. the ‘rate’ of immigration. That is the sort of question that is important to a planner, i.e. a primary school can cope with one Lithuanian child per year but not two. For the population at large the real question is how many Lithuanians we wil have in ten, twenty years time.
The road where I was brought up has on average about two houses sold each year. Not a problem. Now each of those houses is bought by an Asian, still not a problem? How many years will it take before all the houses are owned by Asians, all have no front or rear gardens and each has five visiting cars during festive periods? That is the outcome of absolute numbers, not the rate at which they come.
JimS – you forget the tipping point where people don’t feel at ease or at home on their street so decide to move, opening up space for the new home owners to come into a street that’s right up their street.
This is all just human nature … I don’t want to live on a street where people keep a mattress in the front garden … do I have Mattressphobia?
JimS if two houses a year are being bought by “asians” , you should be moving by year 2,3 because your asset will be depreciating very very quickly very very soon
Q. Do you want more skilled valuable workers who won’t put you out of a job and will contribute to the economy?
Q. Do you want more workers from an alien culture with dubious skills and command of the language to come here to live permanently with their family and dependents and use all social resources such as free health and education for all, maybe housing too, despite only just beginning to pay taxes?
Wonder if the answers would differ?
are these jobs a British resident really cant do, or is it one employers simply don’t want to pay the going rate for
Breitbart there exposing Mr Barnier’s previous form as a key promoter of mass immigration.
No doubt Anthony Blair must have been in the same gang.
Another utopian socialist at play here……………..further evidence appearing regarding
” we will teach Britain a lesson” Oh right.
A fundamentalist like this will never negotiate………..they are buying time……………Time we stuck the boot in…
Has the position paper on immigration controls been released yet?
That should get this chap well and truly exercised!! Unless it is a cop out…….