Ken Loach on ‘false’ anti-Semitism claims by Labour MPs
Some Labour MPs are making “absolute mischief” over claims of anti-Semitism in the party, in a bid to destabilise Jeremy Corbyn because of his backing for Palestinians, claims Ken Loach.
The film-maker was suspicious of the “false stories of anti-Semitism”, which had surfaced since Mr Corbyn became leader.
He told Daily Politics presenter Jo Coburn that: “All history is our common heritage to discuss and analyse. The founding of the state of Israel, for example, based on ethnic cleansing is there for us all to discuss.”
Will the BBC et al still love Ken Loach now that he gives the impression that he is happy for the Holocaust to be ‘denied’…he says all history is there to be discussed…ie did the Holocaust really happen? Look at the furore over Kevin Myers’ badly phrased article and the false claims made that he is a Holocaust denier and then look at how he was treated as a pariah….will the same happen to lefty icon Loach?
Astonishing interview on the Daily Politics programme on which he denies there is a problem with anti-Semitism in Labour and he does this by channelling much of the anti-Semitic narrative about Israel and the Palestinians that is used to attack Jews in outside Israel [indeed it was a BBC journalist who told a Jew in France that she should expect to be attacked due to Israel’s actions in Gaza…his narrative suggesting Israel was committing war crimes]…it is all a plot to unseat Corbyn…note he fails to comment on homophobia or Islamophobia also mentioned by Coburn but goes directly to attack the allegations of anti-Semitism…..fellow travellers at the anti-‘Israel’ Electronic Intifada will be happy to hear he is echoing their propaganda…
How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party’s anti-Semitism crisis
Indeed the Russian state propaganda organ ‘RT’ suggests anti-semitism is a ‘tool’ to use against the Left. Any wonder Putin fanboy Corbyn won’t say he will support a NATO country if attacked by Russia…..and the BBC is worried about Trump…lol.
Unfortunately Jo Coburn doesn’t challenge him on those claims….probably because the BBC itself has done so much to promote the very same narrative about Israel oppressing the Palestinians. She just seems to roll over and back off in the face of his aggressive anti-Israeli stance.
I am unable to understand how so called intelligent educated people subscribe to this notion that anti-Semitism doesn’t exist in the Labour Party especially after so many Labour MPs have been suspended for open hatred towards Jews. But what makes this even worse is Roach openly expresses it is Ok to hate Jews due to this so called Ethnic cleaning they have carried out against the Arabs in Israel. Yet not only does he (and the rest of them) omit the fact that when Israel was born it was invaded by 8 different Arab armies from 7 different Nations (Egypt/Lebanon/ Syria/Yemen/Saudi Arabia/Jordan/Iraq) but that the message promulgated out to all the Muslims was:”leave your homes until we have pushed all the Jews into the sea” then you can return. Unfortunately for the Arabs they lost. The real ethnic cleansing was carried out by Muslims in each and every Islamic country against the Jews resulting in a similar if not not larger number of people kicked out of their homes and countries than the so called Ethnically cleansed Palestinians.
Funny how these females sex organs never mention the above and how the bBC never question these racist bigots.
An American cousin, a History Prof at Columbia wrote with a tirade against Trump, likening Trump to Hitler. I responded by explaining that antiSemitism here lived with the mainstream Left. The Proffesor’s response was a second tirade against Trump. How does that man lecture his students in a balanced way?
Hi Deborah – do you get on with your cousin? I wonder whether his personal views influence his teaching – that is does he politicise his classroom – and does his post / job description give him carte blanche to politicise his classroom?
That Prof needs a history lesson in Jewish History….he should not be teaching, like too many in this country.
Anti-Semitism has been going on for over 2000 years – during that time many many intelligent people have been anti-Semitic. Except according to their world view they are not anti-Semitic – they just believe that Jews are in their nature dirty, evil etc.
Separate to this – one of my bugbears is people, almost universally, using the term Arab as equivalent to Muslim. There are Arab Christians (a few) and there are Arab Jews (although they tend not to like to call themselves Arabs).
The reason why Arab tends to be equivalenced with Muslim – is because of the nature of Islam – it absolutely works towards destroying anything opposed to Islam – through outright slaughter to second class status. In time, during the course of history, once Islam has a grip it tends to grow and grow and eventually converts, exterminates or enslaves all opposition to it. As Islam operated on the Arabs first – nearly all recognisable Arabs are Muslim. Then there were the Persians, Berbers and various other ethnic groups – that have become Islamified through history …
I am not Jewish but certainly feel closer to Judaism than I do to the cursed Islam .
Labour has developed an anti Jew anti Israel attitude which shabby shabbi surpressed for the sake of her £300 a day peerage .
Albeeb still loves her though.
Labour has developed anti-semitism because of electoral pressure from Muslims and Islam. As the Muslim population increases, the pressure on the conservatives to bend the knee to Islam will increase. Its inevitable.
Note that even the mildest criticism of Islam leads to charges of “Far Right” and “Islamophobia”. Its as if all the powers, state and MSM, are hell bent in installing Islam as the new religion of Europe.
It will come to a civil war – patriots, Christians against the state and its new religion of Islam. The outcome will probably depend on which side America takes.
I’m confused, is the BBC biased to the left or the right?
I think the Jews would say it’s been going on longer than that !
Take a read of the book of Esther and the doings of arch anti semite Haman remembered in the Jewish festival of Purim.
I don’t think there was much love lost in the Philistines (Philistines Palestines?) Pharaoh didn’t seem to like them much either !
Thoughtful,
I just want to interject that the ancient Philistines were an Aegean Sea people who settled the coast near Canaan. Their culture was based on fishing & seafaring. They were more closely related to Greeks than they ever were to Arabs. The People called “Palestinians” now are Arabs. And they already have one “Palestinian” State. Jordan.
Palestine was a name given to the Roman province of Judea by The Romans as a method of breaking Jewish resistance to Roman rule. The term “Palestinian” would have applied to anyone living in that area. Mostly Jews. The modern term “Palestinian” as a designation for local Arabs is a combined terrorist & media invention.
Thank you Lucy..i’ve tried to explain this to antisemites i know…they just go into denial…
“I am unable to understand how so called intelligent educated people subscribe to this notion that anti-Semitism doesn’t exist in the Labour Party especially after so many Labour MPs have been suspended for open hatred towards Jews”
They’ve lost my vote forever!
It reflects badly on Loach rather than the BBC this time. An unpleasant interview indeed. Loach is typical of modern artistic and academic types. Really not worth listening to or bothering about.
Israel is not going anywhere and is thriving. This is what they cannot stand. For once Jews not cowering and not apologising.
When I have this type spouting off in front of me I either walk away and make it clear why or I end the conversation .
Funny you should mention that Dave, A few years ago I found myself in a shop a friend owes, We we’re talking about our latest reads, and I stated that mine was a book on the Six day War. Out of nowhere this bloke inserted himself into the conversation and started with the anti Semitic diatribe. I foolishly tried to argue, but he simply raised his voice in which to profess to all and sundry that he wa right. Once he had calmed down and business returned to normal and he wasn’t the centre of attention I walked up to him and asked if he wanted to continue outside, his reply was simply “I’m a lawyer” to which I simply said “lawyers still bleed” he left with his tail between his legs. Unfortunately this is the only language these people understand
“lawyers still bleed”
Love it. My favourite one is: ‘Dead Liberals Don’t Harm People”
That was his virtue signalling for the day. That you took him seriously would have astonished him. It is because of their bottomless vanity that Leftists constantly interrupt. All they want to hear is the sound of their own voice. For this reason they instinctively oppose free speech, except the freedom to denounce anybody who does not share their opinions.
Another example of this is the way rich Leftists will denounce inequality and then retire to their Georgian town house and their villa in Tuscany. Their vanity is bottomless. Loach is a classic example of this. He lives on public subsidiary (in effect on the backs of the poor) and preaches in his films about how much he cares about equality.
Pounce
Which book?
Is Loach is his real name? It sounds like it is concocted from ‘Leech’ and ‘(self)Loathing’.
And ‘roach’, for cockroach.
It derives from ‘loche’, an old French word for a freshwater fish, and was presumably used as a nickname for a freshwater fisherman.
Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Loach#ixzz4trZInO7e
Why do they bother with this octogenarian old fart whose films are excruciatingly boring and ridiculously anti British. Ah there is the clue as to why they do bother with him, he has been relentlessly anti British for decades and of course Labour and the BBC absolutely love that. Loach is typical of so many ‘in the arts’ , they think of them selves as anti establishment without realising that they have become the liberal left establishment that is throttling the life out of our country and most of the rest of the West. It is people like Loach , whose putrid films have destroyed our self confidence , our belief and our social cohesion , that we are well on the way to kissing goodbye to Western civilisation.
Loach is in a long tradition of ‘thinkers’ and ‘artists’* sneering at the British and imagining by so doing they’re being so superior.
It’s a kind of perverted, inverted snobbery. Students of cultural history might like to suggest when the disease set in — for it is a disease. With the Angry Young Men perhaps, who’ve been sneering since the 50s? Earlier?
*I use the terms thinkers and artists very, very loosely. Like a loose stool, and not the 3-legged sort.
It is based on the idea that because society is imperfect, it should be completely destroyed, and replaced with a perfect society. It is the sort of thing that they are doing in North Korea and Venezuela, to pick only the most obvious examples. Ultimately they don’t believe that they can create a perfect society, they just like the idea of destroying the one we have, because the people in it, such as ourselves, have the freedom to completely ignore Kenneth Loach.
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Surely only perfect people can create a perfect society and there ain’t no such thing as a perfect person.Although the lefties must believe that they themselves are perfect and that gives them the right to demand that they perfect everyone else. Well F—k them. I demand the right to stay imperfect. the way Mother Nature made me.
They probably also believe that totally asinine slogan “From each according to his ability- To each according to his need.” Why the hell would anyone bother using time, intelligence and ability when they can achieve the same result on the basis of their f—–g need!!
Not many people are aware just how much Israel is helping people around the globe. See
http://verygoodnewsisrael.blogspot.co.il/2017/09/ten-years.html
liberal left establishment
equates to – totalitarian anti-free speech violence prone thugs. The anti-fa is a very good example.
I find it ironic that during it’s formation Israel was governed by left wing parties and alliances (Levi Eshkol (1965–68, 69)
Golda Meir (1969–74) Yitzhak Rabin (1974–77) Shimon Peres (1977–91) ). During the 6 day war in 1967 the governing coalition even included Arab parties. Fully part of the worldwide Labour movement, supported by the UK Labour party the areas of contention such as the Golan Heights, Gaza, Jerusalem all occurred under a Labour/Socialist regime. Strange how this doesn’t merit a mention.
They were different times when patriotism was not an ugly word.
gb123
Too many things don’t merit a mention. However if they are never mentioned how can we arrive at the truth.
Maybe one day the smoke will clear.
I’ve heard of this fellow but don’t know if I’ve ever watched any of his films . What is he famous for ?
“What is he famous for ?”
Kes (1969) – attracted outlandish praise at the time. Working class kid ….. blah blah blah. Don’t know whether anybody outside the UK was interested.
However, I’m looking forward to his forthcoming Al Jolson biopic:
He made the film The wind shakes the Barley..i think it was….about the British in Ireland in the time of troubles, Black and Tans and all that…not bad, but ‘ Michael Collins’ was a better film, not his.
The CIA World Factbook placed the Palestinian population of the West Bank at approximnately 2,731,052 as of July 2014. Just under 50% of the Palestinian population in the West bank was under 25 years old in 2014. The Palestinian population of the West Bank was 1,443,790 in July 1994 – roughly the point when key trades of territory for peace began – and 1,556,000 in July 1998. It totaled 2,164,000 in July 2002, and had increased by 50 percent since 1994. It still had an extraordinarily high growth rate of 3.39%, and it was very young. Some 44% of the population was 14 years of age or younger. In July 2014 the Gaza Strip’s population of Palestinian citizens stood at 1,816,379. The Palestinian population in Gaza was 731,000 in July 1994, and 1,054,000 in July 1998. It totaled 1,225,911 in July 2002, and had increased by 68 percent since 1994. The population growth rate was 3.95% in 2002, one of the highest in the world, and 50% of the population was 14 years of age or younger. Currently, 43% of the population is under the age of 14.
The UN provides a separate estimate of the total Palestinian population of the Gaza, East Jerusalem, and West Bank. It indicates that this population was 1,006,000 million in 1950, and rose to 1,100,000 in 1960, 1,094,000 in 1970, and then leapt to 1,477,000 in 1980 and 2,152,000 in 1990. This increase was the result of improvements in income and health services during the initial period of Israeli occupation before the Intifada. The Palestinian population rose to 2,629,000 in 1995 and 3,183,000 in 2000 – a more than 20% increase during the five years before the Israeli-Palestinian War [the second uprising] began. The most recent statistics for the total Palestinian population in Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, estimate that as of 2014 there are 4.55 million Palestinians living in these areas.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-20/un-warns-of-rapid-palestinian-population-growth (2016)
My point is- The State of Israel is rubbish at genocide. (If that was the goal)
There is a lot of talk on this site about the BBC’s pro-Islam bias, and allegations of anti-Semitism, but how many people are aware that the UK Government [both Labour and Tory] and their Muslim migrant friends are just pawns in an ongoing process that started long ago but gathered pace with the development of socialist/communist ideology. After WWI’s failure to consolidate communism in the West, prominent German Jews formed the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory – until Hitler’s rise to power forced them to make the move to America where their ideas fell on fertile ground. Seeking vengeance for years of resentment directed towards them from whites because of their Jewish background and aspirations, the deconstructive ‘Critical Theory’ concept of Horkheimer, Adorno and Herbert Markuse developed into the much broader Cultural Marxism we see today. Following the “long march through the institutions”, the many strands of Cultural Marxism [identity politics, intersectionality, gender studies, gay rights, feminism etc] have attacked Western societal norms and dismembered it from within – which is what Jewish inspired Marxism always wanted to do. Moreover, Cultural Marxists have developed techniques like political correctness and outrage culture to silence opposition and constructed a whole new vocabulary to use against dissenters. Terms such as ‘hate speech’, ‘white privilege’,’toxic masculinty’,‘Islamaphobia’ and ‘Anti-Semitism’ are deployed to shut down rational debate. The intention over time is to destroy national cohesiveness by setting every identity against each other in order to create chaos. Today, in Europe, not only is the West reeling from the divide and rule philosophy of Cultural Marxism, but with the assistance of the billionaire Jew George Sorus, the Richard Kalergi Plan is in full operation. With original funding from the Rothschilds and the Zionist supremacist organisation B’nai B’rith, Kalergi became the driving force behind the origins of the EU. Kalergis plan was to remove national borders and facilitate mass non-white inward migration into Europe. His declared intention, as detailed in his book Practical Idealism, was to create a ‘mongel race’ of ‘eurasion negroids’, with no allegiance to any nation. By this means, labour and capital could be easily moved and controlled by the globalist Elite of bankers, landowners, media moguls and corporations. In 2010 Merkel won the Kalergi Prize. Because elitist Jews own or control nearly every means of mass communication in the West, this information cannot enter the public domain. In the case of the BBC, although Jews make up just 0.5 of the population, 38% of its Executive Board are Jews or Zionists. As such, the BBC actively supports the Cultural Marxist/Kalergi Plan agenda through its promotion of the EU, mass immigration, mixed marriage, gay rights, multiculturalism etc. The more Muslims, non-whites, mixed race marriages, gays, lesbians, transgenders, metrosexuals etc there are in the UK, the less white babies are born. The white birthrate is now unsustainable, while the Muslim birth rate is accelerating and inward migration continues apace. Hence the conclusion that the Kalergi plan is in its final phase. The UK population is being replaced and it’s time to mount a legal challenge to the BBC.
Footnote: The term ‘anti-Semitism’ is often deployed in a way that suggests people like me want to harm Jews when all I want to do is ascertain whether Jewish/Zionist over-representation in core positions of power is conducive to democratic principles and, more importantly, the interests of the British people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXdkbZE_Tg&t=426s
Hi “Kalergi” – are you Ken Livingstone or George Galloway? Whoever you are – you either have a fevered mind or … maybe you are Maxicony in disguise creating a prank. At best you are a prankster – at worse you are dedicated lunatic anti-Semite.
Anyway your link takes us into the Protocols of the Elders of Zion – which has long ago been shown to be fake and a document that was used to create further animosity within local populations in eastern Europe against Eastern European Jews towards the latter part of the nineteenth century and later elsewhere in Europe and beyond.
Marxism was more or less founded in England through the works and activities of Engels and Karl Marx – Marx was so appalled at the inhuman conditions of English factory workers – he developed his theory of history based on material production – essentially a history of economics. He did a pretty good job in his analysis but his predictions were way off the mark as he thought the English worker would eventually revolt in an all out revolution and create a workers paradise state – but it never got that far. Marx was wrong.
Marxists forced the issue in Russia with Marxism-Leninism where the local agrarian population was subjugated by an elite – the vanguard elite – which would force the country and the population through the so called historical stages of material production to get to the ideal workers paradise. But rather than generating a workers paradise they generated a highly corrupted authoritarian industrial state. Then there was China … et cetera.
Kalergi – your observations on cultural Marxism, especially Moreover, Cultural Marxists have developed techniques like political correctness and outrage culture to silence opposition and constructed a whole new vocabulary to use against dissenters. Terms such as ‘hate speech’, ‘white privilege’,’toxic masculinty’, ‘Islamaphobia’ and ‘Anti-Semitism’ are deployed to shut down rational debate. The intention over time is to destroy national cohesiveness by setting every identity against each other in order to create chaos are spot on (n.b. need to add ‘climate change denier’ to your list).
However your suggestion that it is all a Jewish plot falls down when you consider the irrational and rabid enthusiasm for all things Islam of this movement. It would take an awful lot of self-hating Jews to make that one work.