'If we want peace we need one thing – less Islam'. New, in today's Sun: https://t.co/kN03199KAr
— Douglas Murray (@DouglasKMurray) June 4, 2017
‘Out thought and undereducated. We have lost the ability to think, to acquire knowledge, to advance intellectually and then we wonder why our community is in such decay.’
‘Islam choked in the vicelike grip of orthodoxy….It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Muslim world. The last great Muslim thinker, Abd- al Rahman ibn Khaldun, belonged to the 14th century.’
MarkyMark in the comments draws our attention to this in the Guardian which illustrates why the BBC peddles the ‘glorious history’ of Islam in order to persuade us that the realities of Islam within our society today are not the real Islam…Islam is peaceful religion that embraces human rights, women’s liberation and forward thinking on many issues from the economy to science and philosophy…in essence Islam, the BBC insinuates, is not a threat to you or your culture and society…..
The scale of hostility in Britain towards Islam and Arabs is revealed in a YouGov survey showing most UK voters believe Arabs have failed to integrate themselves into British society, and their presence has not been beneficial.
The three characteristics most closely associated with the Arab world by British people are gender segregation, wealth and Islam, with extremism and a rich history the next two identified characteristics. The degree of association with innovation or forward thinking is miniscule.
In a survey that also reveals widespread self-confessed ignorance about the Arab world, a total of 63% say they believe Arabs have failed to integrate themselves into western society and live in isolated communities.
Faisal J Abbas, editor in chief of Arab News, said the poll showed on the one hand a shocking lack of knowledge of the Arab world.
“What is concerning is that these opinions are based on very limited knowledge about the region. The Arab world is home to some of the poorest countries in the world.
So we have have a shocking lack of knowledge about the Arab world. Really?
Even Arabs admit there is a problem with ‘Arab’ countries:
Self-doomed to failure
An unsparing new report by Arab scholars explains why their region lags behind so much of the world
The barrier to better Arab performance is not a lack of resources, concludes the report, but the lamentable shortage of three essentials: freedom, knowledge and womanpower. Not having enough of these amounts to what the authors call the region’s three “deficits”. It is these deficits, they argue, that hold the frustrated Arabs back from reaching their potential—and allow the rest of the world both to despise and to fear a deadly combination of wealth and backwardness.
The most delicate issue of all, again carefully skirted by the authors of the report, is the part that Islam plays in delaying and impeding the Arab world’s advance towards the ever-receding renaissance that its intellectuals crave. One of the report’s signed articles explains Islam’s support for justice, peace, tolerance, equilibrium and all good things besides. But most secularists believe that the pervasive Islamisation of society, which in several Arab countries has largely replaced the frightening militancy of the 1980s and early 1990s, has played a significant part in stifling constructive Arab thought.
[Islam]….discouraging critical thought and innovation and helping to produce a great army of young Arabs, jobless, unskilled and embittered, cut off from changing their own societies by democratic means. Islam at least offers them a little self-respect. With so many paths closed to them, some are now turning their dangerous anger on the western world.
So Islam creates Jihadis not just by virtue of its teachings but because it also destroys the innovative and creative thinking that produces jobs and a civil, employed society…thus we get angry young men who ironically fight to defend the Islam that is the source of their problems.
We are told by the Guardian that…’The emerging picture – fear, ignorance and hostility – underlines the tensions in UK society about attitudes to Islam and the Arab world in the UK’….Well there’s fear and hostility…but based on knowledge not ignorance. People look around and see what Muslims do and say, they look at the Muslim world and what Islam has done for those countries, they look at countries where Islam has infiltrated and they look at the result…they also look at countries where there is little to no Islam and look at the result…and they choose which one they like…No Islam.
Labour’s [ex] Nasreen Khan asked ‘What good have the Jews done?‘
The Jews, in 70 years, have turned the desert into a highly productive, innovative, forward looking democracy…and that’s just Israel never minds Jews around the world…despite Israel being under attack for all of that time by Muslims who have produced what? They have oil, but they didn’t find or develop that…the West did…and what do they do with the revenues? Playboys and funding Islamists in the West….mostly.
The we have this from the Guardian…
The degree of association [of Islam] with innovation or forward thinking is miniscule.
That’s because Islam crushed innovation and forward thinking…don’t take my word for it, take a Muslim’s……
What has Mehdi Hasan got to say?
He states that there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world….and between them they have a total of 10 Nobel prizes. The Jews, with a population of 12 million have 150 Nobel prizes. All 6 Jewish Universities are in the top 20 in a world ranking. There are no Muslim universities in the top 200.
He goes on to say:
We wonder why we are losing battles, we are not being out fought, we are being out thought.
We are not under armed, we are undereducated.
We have lost the ability to think, to acquire knowledge, to advance intellectually and then we wonder why our community is in such decay.
Pervez Hoodbhoy is professor of nuclear and high-energy physics at Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad. This article is based on a speech delivered at the Center for Inquiry International conference in Atlanta, Georgia, 2001.
In the twelfth century Muslim orthodoxy reawakened, spearheaded by the cleric Imam Al-Ghazali. Al-Ghazali championed revelation over reason, predestination over free will. He refuted the possibility of relating cause to effect, teaching that man cannot know or predict what will happen; God alone can. He damned mathematics as against Islam, an intoxicant of the mind that weakened faith.
Islam choked in the vicelike grip of orthodoxy.
It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Muslim world. The last great Muslim thinker, Abd- al Rahman ibn Khaldun, belonged to the 14th century.
For Muslims, it is time to stop wallowing in self-pity: Muslims are not helpless victims of conspiracies hatched by an all-powerful, malicious West. The fact is that the decline of Islamic greatness took place long before the age of mercantile imperialism. The causes were essentially internal. Therefore Muslims must introspect, and ask what went wrong.
Across the Uk, the British Legion has been running with the silent soldier campaign , which plans to marks the sacrifice of those who fell in the four war years leading up to the Armistice in November 1918, with silhouettes of soldiers in the streets. Silent Soldiers will appear on buildings, and in gardens, fields, roundabouts and many other places.
Sutton council is one of those taking part: However they have been forced to drop out due to many of those silent soldiers losing their heads.
I wonder exactly which demographic in the Croydon area likes to removes heads?
Has the finger of suspicion been pointed at the “far right” for the decapitation of soldier silhouettes yet?
In the way the “far right” has been blamed for the recent spate of damaged Jewish headstones in the US.
Are these acts of vandalism to be considered “hate crimes” ?
And who has a motive for this kind of hate crime?
How many rainbow police persons does it take to screw in a light bulb?
“How many rainbow police persons does it take to screw in a light bulb?”
A good 17 years ago, whilst living in the Sgts Mess, the bulb went in the light fitting above my bed. I popped across to the QMs and asked (Like I had many times before) for a replacement light bulb. The civy refused stating that due to health and safety, the issuing of light bulbs to limbs (Living in members) was no longer aloud and in future, we would have to book an appointment for 2 labourers to pop round in which to allow them to change my light bulb. I popped around to see my mate the RQ who ran that department and got him to get me one.
Damn, that should have said allowed and not aloud.
Damn, that should have said allowed and not aloud.
Anyone who wants to live in an islamic country is free to go to one, there are loads to choose from. Some are better than others, it’s true, nonetheless I cannot think of any islamic countries which allow freedom of speech, democracy, women’s equality, or any of the features which make living in the West worthwhile.
All experience has proven that importing muslims into Western countries does not make the muslims more Western, it makes the Western countries more muslim. And being more muslim means, by definition, being less like all the good things which define the West.
The only inference one can draw is that modern, Western societies which allow muslim immigration are dooming themselves to becoming muslim in time, and therefore have a death wish. It’s at least good to know that some European countries, such as Poland and Hungary, are fighting back, but the political leadership of our country seems to have been completely dhimmified, content to allow the islamification of Britain. Even Ukip is too gutless to stand up and be counted, so I fear we face a bleak future.
“Consider this, I give this example. If immigration continues at the levels it has average over the last ten years. Britain will be adding 10 million people to it’s population in the next 20 years. That means building a new house roughly every seven minutes. Now, we currently have no leadership from the Liberal Democrats, Conservative or Labour Parties saying they are going to do anything to change that course. @5:56 … if any party wishing to get into power doesn’t address this they are committing political suicide….@10:30″ {youtube – Douglas Murray – oct2015}
… but wait, someone, who is now in power to act out their words, did mention this problem and almost suggests that ‘too high immigration’ should be reduced …
“Because when immigration is too high (no figure given), when the pace of change is too fast, it’s impossible to build a cohesive society. It’s difficult for schools and hospitals and core infrastructure like housing and transport to cope. And we know that for people in low-paid jobs, wages are forced down even further while some people are forced out of work altogether. … So there is no case, in the national interest, for immigration of the scale we have experienced over the last decade.”
Theresa May as Home Secretary // Speech to the Conservative Party Conference – in full / 06.10.2015
A country whose politicians, police and social services knowingly allowed the rapes of tens of thousands of young girls by Muslim men, is not fit to exist.
If you use the word “Muslim” which of these are you referring to?
A Muslim born in the UK?
A Muslim born outside the UK, emigrated to the UK?
A Muslim from Iran who has been raised as a child listening to Ayatollah Khomeini?
(“…There is no humour in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”)
A Muslim from Saudi Arabia who has seen beheadings in Deera Square as a child (unsure if there are age restrictions on viewing this sort of thing)?
(After Friday prayers [Saudi Arabia,Deera Square], police and other officials clear the area to make way for the execution to take place. After the beheading of the condemned, the head is stitched to the body and the body is wrapped up for the final rites and taken away. a wiki ref)
A Muslim fighting ISIS reading the Dabiq everyday?
(ISIS Magazine. Dabiq is where Muslim and infidel forces will eventually face each other)
A Kurdish Muslim female fighter shooting ISIS soldiers?
A Muslim women being forced to stay hidden at home under a veil in a Western society?
A Muslim women free to talk in UK Parliament?
A Muslim imam preaching hate such as Anjem Choudary?
(Anjem Choudary allowed to spread hate speech 1999-2016). “..we will dominate this country (UK)” )
A Muslim from Bradford,UK who drives to Glasgow,UK to kill another Muslim (Asad Shah)?
(Tanveer Ahmed who murdered Asad Shah … shouts in courtroom “Praise for the Prophet Muhammad, there is only one Prophet!”)
A Muslim who visits Mecca,Saudi Arabia and has to leave his non-Muslim friend outside of Mecca?
A Muslim who condemns a cartoon?
A Muslim who condemns homosexuals as per majority Muslim countries?
– If you use the word “Muslim” which of these is it?
{old post}
The only good muslim is an ex muslim
Or a bad one.
Profound Banania.
“The only good muslim is a bad one”. Ooooh…how Zen or Xeno is THAT.
The Bananaman from Banania has given glasshopper much to think over,
‘A Muslim’…one who follows the religion of Islam. ‘Muslims’ are the greatest victims of Islam…as noted in the post. Schindler was a Nazi…therefore is Nazism to be accepted because he was a ‘good’ Nazi? Does the existence of ‘a good Muslim’ mean accepting Islam…is a good Muslim good inspite of Islamic teachings?
No idea – they should be doing the soul searching. Seems odd that two Majority Muslim countries cannot decide what moderate means – how the hell are we supposed to know if they don’t?
Crown prince says Saudis want return to moderate Islam {bbc.co.uk 25oct2017}
“Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has said the return of “moderate Islam” is key to his plans to modernise the Gulf kingdom.”
Turkey’s PM Erdogan: The term “moderate Islam” is ugly and offensive — Islam is Islam {jihadwatch 02sep2007}
– Two Islamic Countries – what is the definition of Moderate? This might be a start!
Why not just have two systems of law? Tolerant meets Intolerant … who will win?
“We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism.
“We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name. Rather than veil the face or adopt unimaginable measures in democracy (remigration, forced evictions of the most radical), why not establish a dual system of law in France?” {israelnationalnews 19nov2017}
In the twenty-first century, dogmatic orthodoxy reawakened, spearheaded by the liberal fascist leader, Tony Blair. Blair championed revelation over reason, predestination over free will. He refuted the possibility of relating cause to effect, teaching that his opponents cannot know or predict what will happen; he alone can. He damned mathematics as against action, an intoxicant of the mind that weakened faith in the number of weapons of mass destruction. It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Western world.
Atmospheric Physics choked in the vicelike grip of Environmentalist orthodoxy….It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Western world….discouraging critical thought and innovation and helping to produce a great army of embittered, unskilled young Snowflakes with fake jobs.
Nonie Darwish, who has had to flee the Middle East herself, says this about “why Muslim countries rarely prepare for disaster to save lives of other Muslims and heavily rely on the West to rescue victims of Islamic jihad”:
-Muslim countries know that the West will take care of their mistakes so they don’t have to avoid the negative consequences of their actions.
-Western countries quickly come to the rescue, open their wallets and land to prove to the world that they are not Islamophobes.
-Arab countries lack compassion and action to rescue each other despite the rhetoric of Arab/Islamic unity. Saudi Arabia and Gulf nations never open their borders to poor Muslims in distress. Even Egypt rejected the Darfur refugees who were later forced to go to Israel, which took them.
-Oil rich Arab countries make it very difficult for other Arabs to visit except for haj. They are very tribal and refuse to dilute their culture with influx of foreigners. Third world country workers are treated inhumanely and are rarely given permanent residency, citizenship or equal rights as citizens.
-Arabs would rather spend their petrodollars on expanding their influence in the West rather than making life better for their own citizens or supporting other Muslim nations who are financially less fortunate.
-Islamic groups believe that refugees from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan will spread Sharia in Europe, which is the main goal of jihad.
-By clearing the area from the opposition and citizens who are not contributing to the empowerment of ISIS, clears the way for ISIS to expand beyond Syria and Iraq. Europe and America are absorbing the opposition to ISIS, so why stand in the way?
Muslims who have produced what?
Shoe IEDs, Belt IEDs, watch IEDs, tablet IEDs, laptop IEDs, bike IEDs, car IEDs, HGV child crushers, airline bombs, pregnant female bombs – to name a few .
Muslims have also made substantial indirect development in the detection and destruction of the above, and helping in the peaceful and constructive interaction between infidel civilians and authority, specially in airports.