A seat at the top table and those other silly meaningless metaphors about losing “global influence”. What gibberish.
Now WE, yes you and I, have lost OUR seat at the International Court of Justice. Gosh how will I recover from this? They deal with such important matters as Alleged Violations of Sovereign Rights and Maritime Spaces in the Caribbean Sea (Nicaragua v. Colombia).
“This is a failure of UK diplomacy“, says the BBC, and “a retreat from the international stage”. That’s it I’m getting in my nuclear bunker and I suggest you do the same, because Laos or Djibouti could invade any second and wipe us all out now that we are so tiny and frail. Little Britain all alone in the world. We’ll probably sink into the Atlantic some time soon if Laos doesn’t get us.
What these people are suggesting is that if we had a UK representative in the ICJ, they could simply ignore any kind of objectivity and legality in order to ‘influence’ things and make the rulings turn out in our favour – subverting international bodies to benefit the UK. Now that may be how many of these organisations work, and it’s certainly how the EU works, but to propose such a course of action says a lot about the neo-imperialistic approach some people support.
Just gone down into my nuclear bunker. Found a big pile of letters asking why I didn’t have a TV license for that address.
Only cockroaches and Crapita will survive the nuclear war.
Apparently the choice came down to a British judge, backed by the Security Council, and an Indian judge, backed by the majority in the General Assembly. It seems the British candidate stepped down rather than force it to a vote.
It sounds to me as if the Third World members of the General Assembly wanted a Third World judge, and to be fair, the Indian judge may well do a good job.
What would the BBC snowflakes have preferred? That the UK try and use its Security Council position for leverage, to get a British judge into the role at the expense of the Indian? Isn’t that just a teeny bit….racist?
As ever, the left wing MSM will use anything they can to disparage Brexit. This does not seem to have had anything to do with Brexit at all, it had nothing to do with the EU, it was about the Third World acting to get a judge from one of their bloc of nations into the court. Normally, the Guardian/BBC leftists would love to see Britain losing out to India, but when it comes to Brexit suddenly they turn into Little Englanders. Funny old world.
India and Great Britain share a legal tradition, so it did not really matter which of them was appointed so long as that tradition continued to be represented.
The more ‘united’ the EU becomes the more pressure there will be within the United Nations to reduce the individual representation of the EU members, indeed the EU wishing to have a single foreign policy encourages that pressure.
Clearly it isn’t ‘fair’ for the EU to have two of its members, the UK and France, on the Security Council for instance. Outside of the EU the UK doesn’t run foul of that argument.
This actually demonstrated the lie of ‘stronger together’, the EU against the world. Little Norway got to have the chairmanship of the UN body making the rules for ocean fishing, the interests of the mighty EU, (and the UK), are defended by a single EU representative. Surely we would be a lot better with an association of EU countries, (the Council of Europe?), to co-ordinate European concerns that can be expressed by a European bloc of ‘top table sitters’?
Do I detect a certain impatience with the fuzzy wuzzies here?
As if it matters whether we`ve got one of Soros stoolies from the top elites of India-or from Temple Bar-as some dispenser of global justice.
The BBC really like their pith helmets and tribute acts to Mungo Park don`t they?
Who knew that Cilve of India turns out to be a role model, a sign of our colonial greatness in harnessing the unstable empire wallahs together in some kind of niceness?
Maybe we could nominate a Clive of India statue to go onto the ICJ-surely we`ve a few of them lying round the stockyards near Oxford by now.
chris, we saw this with Donald Trump pre-election.
He makes a statement that puts America behind a wall and Alt-Left gets hysterical about isolationism. He talks about doing better for American business; Alt-Left gets hysterical about protectionism. He talks about wiping ISIS off the map or sorting out Iran or North Korea and Alt-Left gets hysterical about Imperialism and aggressive American power.
Who said ‘all politics is local’
Well my test used to be whether my London tube line was better or worse. I used to sit there at 6 in the morning wondering if we were losing global influence and whether the EU should replace Blighty and the cheese eaters on the security council. I was so worried I lay awake at night worrying about it. Joke al Beeb joke
On the upside at least an Indian judge will be cheaper to bribe than a British one
Knocking around certain top tables may not always be optimal.
I was going to feature an ‘and pillage’ route from the movies, but ongoing Harvey sensitivities may spoil dinner.
What do the Indians think? THe Times of India Rupture in P5 over UK’s ‘undemocratic’ proposal clinched it for India at ICJ claim that this was a revolt over the dominance of the P5 in the Security Council and a probably the most concerted and assiduous diplomatic offensive in recent times by India’s foreign ministry headed by Sushma Swaraj.
BREXIT? Not a whisper.
What do the Indians think? THe Times of India Rupture in P5 over UK’s ‘undemocratic’ proposal clinched it for India at ICJ claim that this was a revolt over the dominance of the P5 in the Security Council and a probably the most concerted and assiduous diplomatic offensive in recent times by India’s foreign ministry headed by Sushma Swaraj.
BREXIT? Not a whisper.
“Britain must have influence ”
Says the likes of the BBC and Guardian and other MSM .
But what does this mean ?
Well it doesn’t mean we , the ordinary Joe , has influence . We’ve seen time and time again where the Powers That Be have pursued a foriegn policy directly at odds over what the people want . Remember their policy of trying to extend the EU to the Eastern Bloc nations , and what a success that has been for us domestically ? The Cameron trying to be Turkeys path to Brussels ?
Now it’s ” we are the leaders in combatting climate change” by being taxed out of business whereas China and Germany power themselves by coal .
What this Britain Must Have Influence means is that some politicians , civil servants and the Foreign Office stomp about on the World stage while we suffer their hubris . They will pledge any amount of money , or troops , to be influential no matter how slight . They will damage our economy for any praise from other countries leaders , because , at the end of the day , THEY DONT PERSONNALY SUFFER FROM THOSE EFFECTS .
We though lose jobs and businesses , are taxed more , see our infrastructure groan from both lack of funds and mass immigration , see our Foreign Office act ridiculous and put foreigners interest ahead of our own , and suffer if we are in other parts of the world where they have been meddling .
The answer is to cut out all this Britain Must Have Influence nonsense . We were at our most influential when we were in the Splendid Isolation time , when we didn’t meddle but really did have influence , when it was needed . America was even more influential when they were isolationist than now . You have influence or you don’t , when you strive for it you can look ridiculous and be laughed at .
Let’s have a constitution that limits the miles and international meetings our leaders can attend and reduce the Foreign Office by three quarters . No more buffoonery on the World stage . Britain’s interest first .
Nibor
Begin by spending the money wasted on Foreign Aid where it is needed most – On the people of Great Britain .
This is really important stuff – to the elites ! They think they are so important, so someone taking away their self importance really matters to them.
Time they realised that we are a tiny island that their policies has driver into the ground, the people are sick of them and it’s time we had some decent parties to vote for!
Thoughtful
I’m guessing that the UK seat on the security council will either be given up by a Corbyn government or as part of the price for rejoining the EU should anyone want to do that – if it’s still there.
The savings made from no nuclear weapons being given up will give us a lovely international health service . Personally I’d rather keep them to waste any country or organisation attacking Blighty . Not sure if I’d nuke Luton though.
“Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough!
It isn’t fit for Our People now.
Ditto Luton, Bradford, Birmingham, London…”
With apologies to John Betjeman
Ian , you left out that city of culture – Hull – only kidding . Anyway Blighty s international profile continues to diminish as the shock news was announced that we will not be in the running to have the ‘European city of culture’ 2023 because …. of Brexit.
Who will this affect ? Luvvies and politicians who want to be seen with luvvies and the al Beeb culture department which will lose thousands of jobs to Europe because of it. All of those art works we will lose – ballet from Barnsley or opera from oxford … I’m thinking of voting remain – soubry is right!!
Someone pointed out that it can be given to non-EU countries … 2010 Turkey! {wiki}
Thoughtful
Start by rejuvenating UKIP.
Marky
Blighty banned from Eurovision Contest shock. Eurotunnel to be one way only
I will now slink past the Taj Mahal restaurant and refuse to pass comment to the Bangladeshi dynasty who pretend to be Indian , and who gamle the place away to each other every six months or so.
To my mind, we died when we stopped doing “It`s a Knockout” on our shores alone-and went all bloody European a couple of years later. Bet Ted Heaths slush fund paid for that crap-and we gave the Common Market gauleiters and cheese monkeys permsiion to nick our fish!
I mean-Eddie Waring, Arthur Ellis-and, of course the wonderful BBCs very own Stuart Hall-hardly Eurofodder were they? Yet that`s what they ended up being. Here`s hoping that we can regame our sovereignty and bring back our very own It`s a Knockout…a Song for Britain…and piss off out of the Euros and “Champions League” crapola too.
Remember Munich 58-we were not made to do anyhting in Europe but dig them out of their fascist foxholes-and now we can let them bury themselves as we learn to play up and play the game once more.
Bring Geoffrey Boycott home to create that “architecture of dominance” that we now need.
My name is Gary Richardson-and this is what I`ve always wanted to say!