Talk about ‘Fake News’! The BBC’s most prestigious flagship current affairs programme, Today, broadcasts a piece of fictional tripe as ‘news’….
What appear to be the last diary entries of Jim Hacker, of Yes Prime Minister fame, have been unearthed. Sarah Montague spoke to Jonathan Lynn, the co-creator of the series.
Just blatant, contemptuous propaganda from the Remainders…apparently the voters just didn’t listen…to their betters…and so we must of course have another referendum as after all we have general elections every 5 years or so, thus no referendum is set in stone.
OK…we’ll have a referendum on the EU every 5 years if a second one voted to stay in the EU. No? Thought not.
And let’s not forget that it was the EU that kept peace in Europe for 75 years.
No…it was the threat of the ‘CCCP’ that kept everyone onboard, and it was American tax dollars, nuclear weapons and a massive standing army that kept the peace in Europe.
NATO not the EU…
Total one degree of separation coverage this time.
Can’t wait for the fictional shock counter views from a now more mature, tax-paying, child-raising Wolfie Smith struggling to get his kids into an English-speaking school catchment as his life partner negotiates no-go areas to deliver postal voting forms in Bradford.
Danke Merkel! Peace in our time …. who are we fighting?
Very symbolic, the physical manifestation of the cultural divide and parallel lives of a certain community….bloody cyclists.
That looks like Liberal left-wing Islamophobia, set in concrete.
It’s reached the stage when I don’t think the Beeboids even know they are doing it. It must be part of the morning ritual on Today: send Max out for the coffees, get a Democrat on to rubbish Trump, and finish with a snidey little piece about how Brexit voters are stupid.
What else can you expect for a lousy £4 billion?
More BBC lies here for those who haven’t already seen this….
https://www.globalresearch.ca/bbc-quietly-owns-up-to-blatant-propaganda-lies-to-galvanize-public-support-for-bombing-syria/5545285
A time line (from memory – feel free to correct errors – I haven’t the time to go for a Wiki wander):
Early 1945 – the end of war in Europe – later in 1945 – the end of war with Japan. [ Note: no EU necessary to stop everyone fighting Japan and Japan fighting everyone else. 😉 ]
1945-1998 – The Allies divide & occupy Europe. (I think that that last date is correct and that Vienna was, technically, only handed back by the Allies to the Austrians then. Do please correct if wrong.) British Army based on the Rhine until the late 1980s(?) but obviously as a support to the Germans and Americans, not as occupying force, in the event of Russian/East German attack & invasion.
The EU and key dates:
Formed as the Iron Steel & Coal Federation, initially, as a means of enforcing hegemony & achieving reparations after WW2, ie. it was originally as an organisation ‘anti-Axis powers’ and a means of grabbing German territory & coal.
1957 – EEC founded by Treaty of Rome
1973 – The Six become The Nine
1992 – The Maastricht Treaty & the EC
1980s, 1990s and 2000s – further enlargement
1999 – The Barcelona(?) Treaty formalising the EU and the creation of the EZ & Euro within it
2000 – The advent of the Euro (or was it 2001?)
The Beeboids should know all this, especially the senior presenters like Sarah Montague, who will no doubt have a junior to hunt out briefing info or check facts for them. At best, the EU has ‘kept peace in Europe’ for 19 years; its predecessors for a bit longer and they did not do a very good job.
What do the following have in common?
– War of the Spanish Succession
– Napoleonic Wars
– WW1
– WW2
Once you have the answer to that answer the question: what exactly do we owe Europe?
Up,
I’d say it was NATO who kept the peace as opposed to the EU- but there has been peace give or take the Balkans as usual and asym warfare practiced by the Religion of Peace. Convent also peace won’t last for ever and the next proper war will be different from what went before as usual .
Whatever happens I hope our politicians don’t send our kids to die and get hurt for their sense of morality. Only fight your own wars.
Quite right, Fed. The formation of NATO, IIRC, followed WW2 quite quickly but if I also recall hours of World at War and listening to parents & other older relatives, European countries – especially the western bits – were in no state to start fighting wars for a couple of decades after WW2. Germany had no real army until relatively recently. Europe was exhausted.
Secondly, Europe had a massive refugee crisis to deal with.
Thirdly, the major countries in Europe had overseas colonies that were increasingly seeking independence and in some cases getting quite stroppy & requiring attention. France, for example, was involved in conflict in north Africa. Holland in Indonesia. Belgium in Africa. Italy in Africa and the Middle East. (Britain was even more stretched and had involvement in Cyprus, Africa, the Middle East, Indian sub-continent and the Far East.) And I have not mentioned internal conflict either: Ireland, Spain and Greece come to mind there.
Finally, the threat from Russia and its ‘satellites’ was another concentrated problem or threat that meant that the western European nations were highly unlikely to start warring when that would weaken them and open them to invasion from the east. It also needs to be remembered that Communism was a clear political force in western European countries, so that exerted both a calming influence but was also a warning of threat should a war start among The Six or The Nine.
Yes, NATO played a part but in reality, there was never going to be another war in western Europe. War with East v. West, yes, that was a possibility and that is where NATO played a huge part. Not so much, I think in Western Europe.
As soon as economic liberalisation followed in the 1970s & 1980s, you had business investing in various countries and people from countries across Europe intermarrying. That really shortens the prospect, for example, of a German Air Force bombing German citizens and assets owned by Germans in France.
It is a real deceit that the EU (EEC/EC) maintained peace in Europe, whether for western Europe or Europe as a whole. That’s not surprising. It could be that the whole enterprise, from the ICSF onwards, is built on a deceit and is really about doing via economics and Treaties what Hitler failed to do militarily from 1938-1945.
The start of the new War … Images of an Israeli citizen inside a mosque in Medina, Saudi Arabia, have caused anger among Arab users on social media.{bbc.co.uk 21nov2017}
“Non-Muslims are prohibited from visiting Mecca and advised not to enter parts of central Medina, where the mosque is located. But Mr Tzion said religious sites in Medina were open to the public.”
“He said he had acquired visas and entered all the holy sites legally, though not specifying which of his passports he travelled on.“
Eeek! Have to correct my own posts now!! 1999 – Lisbon Treaty, not Barcelona (always have a blank spot on that one) and I put it a decade too early – s/b effective 2009.
That’s the one Gordon Brown should have given the UK a Referendum say on.
Same is true for John Major, with the Maastricht Treaty.
Our problems would be very much smaller now had they not ducked their responsibilities.
I suppose eventually, in order to keep the EU going in future, the hierarchy may end up with a Treaty signed in and named after a city from every member State.
Except for one in the UK.
🙂
If the BBBC think that Hacker was a remoaner, it is quite clear that he was only thinking of becoming a Commissioner in Brussels because he was afraid of being demoted in the HOC. He was also being swayed by the eye-watering packages offered for such a non-job. Nothing changes does it!
Perhaps the fake news doesn’t come out as well as pages from ‘The Devil you know’, in the second volume of the Diaries…
Sad post from me I know, but as I still have the copies in my downstairs loo, I thought I’d put the record straight!
There are remarkable similarities between the sort of wavering poisonous habits and false ambitions of politicians around today.
I don’t even care if the EU helped with peace in Europe or not. That was then, this is now.
Peace … from Europe Union … Walls on Bridges.
Free speech and democracy are only ok if we do and say as we are told.