The coming Friday – 14th of August marks the 75th anniversary of our victory over Japan . Let’s hope that the BBC can mark it with some level of dignity without importing its’ very own Marxist views into proceedings -And that it offers ‘thanks ‘ to those who suffered and died at the hands of the Japanese . There’s always hope .
Midweek Thread Wednesday 12th August 2020
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When a leader the bbc likes needs support…..
BBC News
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said New Zealand is “going hard and going early” against a cluster of 29 coronavirus cases in the city.
There were only four, a few days ago. Obviously not “going hard, or early” enough…
Tistink times.
I once worked with a kiwi. For a while I thought his Christian name was Indrew.
But, as with all English speaking nationals, he was a nice guy.
Maybe she will rethink bragging about her ‘success’ too ‘hard’ and too ‘early’.
Totally inept and useless Public Health England have fessed up to their job- creation exercise, namely over-reporting of Coronavirus deaths.
It turns out that they have knowingly been recording more weekly covid deaths than the ONS for weeks and weeks.
The new measure with a 28 day cutoff brings England into line with the rest of the UK.
Weird thing is, this now under-reports compared with the ONS. So here’s a radical idea. Why not pick a cutoff which more or less is in line with the ONS ? A 60 day cutoff seems to be about right. And instead of following, England could lead from a basis of little more than common sense.
It will of course be far too complicated to do such a thing.
Bedtime reading.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/909264/COVID-19_Death_Series_20200813__2_.xlsx
They can’t even get this right. The file title on my PC refers to HIV surveillance.
Click to access Technical_Summary_PHE_Data_Series_COVID-19_Deaths_20200812.pdf
A further example that most statist organisations mainly exist not to serve the public but themselves.
28 days is the international standard
It is not an accurate thing
cos you might be run over by a bus 3 weeks after contracting Covid … or 5 weeks
The ONS stats rely on death certificates so would count bus deaths accurately
but they still count co-morbidity inaccurately
cos if you are riddled with cancer or heart disease and Covid is ALSO on your death certificate ..that gets counted as a Covid death.
Another metric : Excess deaths over the 5 year average, proves Covid is a real problem over normal flu etc.
But the excess death total is made of Actual Covid deaths plus the lockdown effect deaths like missed cancer operations.
So would we have been better off with almost-zero lockdown ?
Stew
I thought PHE’s justification was that there was no international standard. They kept quoting WHO.
And your excess deaths measure, though often mentioned, is not infallible. Many of those old folk in the care homes ( and there were a lot of them) would have died a few weeks later anyway of e..g. old age or dementia so the excess deaths are bound to slowly revert to the norm over time. Does that make the measure informative? One might say it needs a big health warning.
It appears that Sweden went with your almost-zero lockdown.
CV death rates are high there but not the highest.
Meanwhile their kids went to school and the effect on their economy was significantly reduced.
Personally I’m still suspicious of the low German death rate as a proportion of their case rate. They either have brilliant health care, able somehow to keep people alive, in which case why do we not know about it, or else the figures are somehow manipulated.
Remembering VJ Day .
I’ve done a bit of Investigative journalism ; the MSM paints a picture of millions of stranded brits panicking to get back to blighty before the quarantine comes in at 4am Saturday ?
Well – Eurostar – today Friday morning 0830 – single fare Paris to London ? £209 . Plenty of trains – not too big a mark up …..a non story …..
Strangely – the mail online has a panic story featuring a cropped queue of people looking like the line to get into the Louvre ….
Phew. Sky News has revealed the truth about the new peace deal in the Middle east. Trump only ‘claims’ to have been behind it. By next week it will be Barack Obama who brokered the deal.
Scribs, that is in direct contrast to the Sopel creature, who on the World Service earlier this AM pontificated that it was in no way a peace deal. Not at all.
In-fact its based on economics, he told us.
I wonder when the MSM will have @COLRICHARDKEMP on to explain it to them.
This strengthens Israel, further isolates Iran, encourages Arab diplomacy, demonstrates cooperation succeeds & violence fails, further marginalises the Palestinian leadership who are horrified. Credit to President @realDonaldTrump, @IsraeliPM Netanyahu & Crown Prince Al Nahyan.
It also shows the crooked terrorist fraudsters who lead the Palestinian Arab cause that they are increasingly alone & their people will continue to be the losers while their leaders remain fixated on lining their own pockets & annihilating the Jewish State.
By the way, when I say “encourages Arab diplomacy”, I mean more will follow in the footsteps of the UAE. This is not the end of the road by any means.
And in response to Biden claiming that the Obama admin is responsible:
In some respects the Israel-UAE rapprochement is a direct result of Obama’s pro-Iran policies which rightly put the utmost fear of disaster, destruction and defeat into the hearts of the Arab countries.
theisland,
“It also shows the crooked terrorist fraudsters who lead the Palestinian Arab cause that they are increasingly alone & their people will continue to be the losers while their leaders remain fixated on lining their own pockets & annihilating the Jewish State.”
Not forgetting they’re simply following their religious dogma. However, I’ve misplaced, unfortunately, my Bartholomew’s Atlas of the World which I bought in a bookstore in Al Khobar Saudi Arabia. Every one on the shelf had the cellophane wrapper opened and each individual Atlas removed for, ‘alteration’. The Saudi’s had gone through each publication removing any reference to Israel by black permanent pen. So, trying to change the Saudi’s mind about Israel? Good luck with that.
Champion has a Montoya Moment.
Raising unfair advantages when June Sarpong personally ushers you into the studios is kinda sweet.
Don’t make the mistake of think Ash tweets have to make sense
.. She tweets some BS, then 1 minute later 14,000 bots click Like
“If private schools didn’t confer strike>unfair advantage, nobody would pay for them.”
It’s not UNFAIR ..it’s been paid for
Are they poaching the best teachers ? ..Yes
but they set a standard for the state schools to aspire to.
What is UNFAIR is that Ash is pushed into homes across the country via TV
cos she is a brown lefty female from London
Juan Pablo Montoya-type moment or someone else, Guest? 🙂
Guest – the problem is that the likes of the dusky kidult communist is more likely to get the charitable status removed from private schools and thus push the threshold for attending even higher .
No Party is going to abolish them – their influence is too big – and if there was research on the educational background of MPs I think it wouldn’t reflect the electorate – excusing Jesse ‘thick’ Phillips –
MPs use the ‘colour ‘ diversity thing as a smoke screen when – in fact – educational background is far more important …..
Declaration – i never had the opportunity to go to a ‘ public ‘ school but did go to a religioud comprehensive one which didnt teach me how to TyPe
Fed, I probably should have explained (for the uninitiated) that back when Formula 1 motor racing was still slightly interesting, said J-P Montoya had a career in it.
In fact his F1 career was notable by his undertaking quite a bit of careering, into other cars and/or gravel traps and/or guard rails. He won some races, though, which is more than some other drivers have done.
The adjustment means Spain is now above UK in death rate
Deaths per 1M/pop from COVID-19:
1. San Marino 1,238 (+0)
2. Belgium 854 (+2)
3. Andorra 686 (+13)
4. Peru 657 (+13)
5. Spain 611 (+0)
6. UK 608 (-78) [criteria revised]
7. Italy 583 (+0)
8. Sweden 571 (+0)
9. Chile 533 (+1)
10. USA 511 (+5)
Raw death counts.. no stats are super accurate, especially China/Russia
BTW those charts will alter in the future
cos it seems whereas as Europe is in the bottom of the tail, lots of countries are months behind and are in the exponential growth phase .. Colombia, Argentina etc.
Stew, have you noticed that in the UK all coronavirus deaths are being lumped together? That may mean non-Covid-19 cases being counted as Covid-19 deaths.
Other countries may well be using more rigorous statistics and counting only Covid-19 deaths in their totals.
No, I don’t know about other Corona deaths
but I doubt in a normal year it runs into thousands or hundreds
Stew, yes, influenza deaths do. In any year. From memory (which could be wrong), around and up to 20K in the UK each year. Most of those ‘flu’ deaths will be in winter, of course, although the norovirus (winter vomiting) has a summer equivalent and other bird-induced viruses (also coronaviruses) can nail anyone at anytime. Seem to recall a particularly bad Scottish hospital outbreak in the past.
My feelings:
So, Prime Minister Johnson is determined to lose the next General Election.
And if he does lose, I suspect it will be a long time if ever before they are elected again.
So far, they’ve imported thousands more illegals into our country. They’ve housed them in 4 star hotels. They’ve failed to deport just about no illegals. They’ve trashed our civil rights. They’ve forced harmful masks onto us. They’ve destroyed the economy. They’ve made countless thousands unemployed. They’ve destroyed countless small businesses. They’ve instilled irrational fear into many people. And from personal experience, they refuse to respond to reasonable questions regarding their plans for vaccinations.
What’s in it for us, their paymasters?
On the subject of Covid-19 statistics, either Public Health (England) or the BBC are being slow in updating the numbers.
I wonder why?
Probably the ‘Boris personally nuked Our NHS BAME heroes‘ series wot swung it.
Nick Triggle and Hugh Pym, especially, may be rather unhappy with that news.
Yawn. Another day, another black grievance the BBC are delighted to stoke the flames of. Today it’s something called The Mangrove Nine that the militant beeb see fit to splash on their webshite’s Home page. It happened half a century ago.
Keep stoking the race hate, beeb; with a bit of luck you’ll provoke some more violent BLM riots.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/jGD9WJrVXf/the-mangrove-nine-black-lives-matter
\\ ahead of the BBC’s dramatisation to be shown later this year. #BLM //
(BTW it’s not a forgotten thing,.. there was already a 1993 film)
\\ The story of the Mangrove Nine who were charged with incitement to riot following a protest against police harassment in 1970. Their acquittal at trial at the Old Bailey was the first admission by a judge of racism in the Metropolitan Police //
“This article contains an image of a pigs head, which some may find offensive”,
do the BBC really think people are that weak?
Stew, the BBC must be assuming then that a majority of the UK population – perhaps as many as 66% – are now vegans.
Good question “Why doesn’t Singapore have boat people ?”
Being surrounded by once hostile states has made the well-equipped standing army and NS/reserve sensitive to unexpected arrivals other than at Changi or over the Causeway.
We all know how the BBC use photos of BAME people on just about every article.
Then we have…
Free school meals ‘should be extended’ for pupils from low-income migrant families
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53766050
… the one time they could legitimately use a BAME photo they decide to use one of 2 white kids instead.
“English Channel migrants: Where they’re from and what they’re escaping”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53721146
In a nutshell, they are not escaping, they are coming from France and they are freeloaders. free food, free medical, free money and free accommodation while Billy Smart’s Circus is in charge of our Border Farce.
Simples
The Biased Black Corporation were very quick to give Dawn Butler every opportunity to squeal waycism after she was stopped by the Met.
How odd then that they’ve been very slow to update the story now that the Met have pointed out that her car windows were tinted so the officers involved couldn’t even have seen the colour of its occupants.
Practically every newspaper has reported this crucial fact, including even the odious Grauniad and the leftist Mirror and Indie.
Yet not a single mention of it on the rotten biased beeb.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53748929
‘I hate you Butler’
In preparation for the all-out civil war that will break out in the US immediately after the November election on the DJT win, I, for one, am glad to see that US patriots are getting prepared. Those with backbone. Those who love their country. Those who have not been intentionally over emasculated over the previous decades despite overwhelming Democrat/Marxist control. Those who will stand up and be counted.
In the spirit of A level results currently, the question must be, “Compare and contrast with the UK”…..
Allow me to assist:
R4 You and yours
Jesus, all they do is complain and say nothing in the UK is being done properly – talking about business (bars etc) collecting details of customers – make it mandatory seems to be their cry
– but you just know as soon as they did they would say – it’s all wrong…doesn’t work
I have had my details taken in every cafe and bar I have been to – no issues..what is problem?
OT, but if Greta does a special on wave power on Toady, this image is a powerful one.
I have just listened to an old episode of The Men From The Ministry, the mildest of comedies, with Derek Guyler and Richard Murdoch.
The story centres on a male dog ‘wanting to get friendly’ with a female dog, (the words actually used).
The pathetic BBC warns the listener that the programme uses and expresses ‘outdated words and attitudes’.
Not heard on the BBC: “And now, The News Quiz! Warning this programme contains worn-out, time-expired left-wing satire and excessive and needless use of the S-word”.
Department of Justice says Yale discriminates against whites and Asians https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53774075
Needs a BBC fact check?
Rise in far-right threats against Justin Trudeau, police warn https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53773817
You reap what you sow.
Only ring 119 to seek a chinese virus test if you have over one half hour to spare and, at the end, don’t expect to achieve what you set out to. Pathetic. Another ‘Dad’s Army’ approach by our esteemed so-called, ‘Government’.
G,
It isn’t the Govt running these things – we (they) may be paying for it. Same as the Govt didn’t do the A level moderation but gets blamed, wasn’t responsible for PPE or pandemic planning but gets blamed, it wasn’t the Govt who counted corona deaths or sent patients from NHS to care homes, the testing is also not run by the Govt..
it really is too easy just to blame the Govt in all instances when the ‘blame’ lies elsewhere
That said – I think the current handling of CV lockdowns and air corridors and the illegal immigrants is something directly linked to the Govt, for which they should take responsibility
What I have noticed is the BBC constantly use the ‘Govt should have’ angle when it should be saying – the NHS should have, PH England should have, the teachers and Unions should have, Ofqual should have…
James Arthur
The bBc, believing themselves to be the government-in-oppisition, will always blame the Government – particularly if it’s a Tory led Government. It’s much easier to provide a single focus for hate than it is to try snd explain the duties and responsibilities of the sainted NHS and NHS England. Certainly, teachers and unions are NEVER to be held to task as they are constituent parts of the Resistance.
The biased BBC’s ‘US Election’ page positively oozing with praise for Biden / Harris, and malice for Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/us2020
While some commentators are praising Trump for the breakthrough agreement between Israel and the UAE, the high-minded BBC prefers to concentrate on his hair.
Oh how we laughed in the editorial office!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744
Not an area of focus, one imagines, for Lurch or Toenails.
The quote they use makes sense to me
Bristol Water customers fund hate
Loads of hatey people tweeted the BBC story ..its some kind of test
With that story the BBC is just trolling Trump
Trump is being very smart with these stories and complaints about useless technology from dishwashers to showers. He knows that they reach people who recognise their importance. Go on laugh little Trots from yoonie soc socs in the BBC.
I’ve been trying for years to get that shade of blonde !
I’ll repeat a question I’ve asked before:
If you saw a racist far-left bbc journalist (ha!) being attacked by, say, a BLM or Antifa thug, what would you do?
Walk on by (Dionne Warwick notwithstanding)
Stand and film it on your phone to post on Facebook
Phone the cops
Stand and applaud
Join in
Do nothing
– Report him to Dawn Butler for opposing BLM.
– Give them his home address.
You’re cruel. But perhaps, fair.
That should be straightforward stupified story but BBC has invested Hollywood movie budget resources in it to do PR trickery against Trump.
Like the FakeNews on Bleach
This is Fakenews on showering
#1 Trump has make a perfectly valid point
‘Be careful on magic eco-measures like reducing shower pressure
.. cos in reality what happens is people end up showering twice as long and therefore use the same or MORE water ..& end up annoyed”
#2 See the photo trickery
If they are low income and can’t afford to look after themselves and their families, and pay taxes, they shouldn’t be here in the first place.
Bbc ‘calls for’.
Guessing a press release copy pasted?
I’ll repeat At the end of her interview Catherine Blaiklock @blaiklockBP referenced demographic replacement
“Look Lebanon USED TO BE a Christian country,
then that changed and it went downhill”
That is an interesting idea I’d not heard before.
link on page 3
TalkRadio caller
“To sell scrap metal you have to produce ID
.. so why don’t have the French same system for buying €4,000 dinghies in France ?”
Migration Watch UK
For many illegal entrants, getting to the UK is a no-lose option.
Five times the number crossed the Channel in the first seven months of the year compared to the same period in 2019 (see Tracking Station).
As Recession hits, bungled immigration plan opens up UK jobs to an estimated 600 MILLION+ around the world.
Lest we forget BREXIT
Ben Habib warns … despite Michael Gove’s optimism there is no deal in sight and the government has made no proper positive plans for a no-deal outcome. In fact, the opposite is being done; preparations are being made to implement the NIP with customs controls across the Irish Sea. It would be understating the extent of the Prime Minister’s failure to say that, with this border, he would not be fulfilling his manifesto pledges. It is self-evident that he has observed virtually all his Brexit promises in the breach. But these transgressions pale by comparison to the split he is about to institute down the middle of the British Isles. There is no example in history of a country voluntarily putting a border down its own middle with part of it being in another jurisdiction.
Taking account of all that has gone before since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister it must now be a racing certainty that a fudged trade deal will be done with the EU that binds the rest of the UK into EU laws and other things besides. All that apparently remains to be determined is the extent of the sell-out.
Even though I have warned relentlessly about the threats to the UK of the Prime Minister’s deal, I had hoped against hope Boris Johnson would rise to the occasion and pull a rabbit out of the hat. He has thus far flunked every opportunity to do so.
Unless the Prime Minister gets a grip of this situation virtually instantly, the Conservative Party, in its pursuit of power, will deliver Brexit in name only. And the cost of this pyrrhic victory will be the end of the United Kingdom.
ITV local news “a rise in honour based abuse”
There is resemblance between the example victims sister and Ash Sarkar.
The item lasted 90s.
Next item VJ day and Burma
twisted to mention “Britain’s multicultural society” by featuring Art Malik whose Indian father fought with the Allies in Burma.
That word’s use bothers me more than most. Like ‘grooming’, it seems designed to make something palatable that is beyond the pale.
And the MSM uses it a lot.
9pm Why would R4 about a true story where a Muslim murders someone ?
… ah the victim was black
\\ The Old Bailey was told the assault by Al Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud had a “sexual element” and he had attacked Mr Abdulaziz many times before.//
The perp hired a gay masseur also.
Hahahaha.
The government announce new quarantine rules for those returning from France.
You can sense the elation in the BBC news room.
Surely there will be chaos. They hope so, don’t they ?
So they despatch some reporter to Calais.
She, for it is of course a she though strangely white, clearly hopes to report on massive queues, gridlocked roads, and huge levels of frustration.
Except……..that there were no queues and everything was flowing freely !!!!!!!
Egg clearly on face.
Hahahahahaha.
and if said female BBC reporter does not return before 4 a.m., she will have to go into quarantine for 14 days.
Not a problem for a Beeboid: full pay courtesy of the
BBC.. er … the Licence Fee taxpayer.The thing is, if they want to be accurate, the junta wants to impose a quattordici giorni.
And if we don’t oppose this tyranny, the next logical progression is that these demons will come to our homes and kick us out.
Just be warned.
I hope the racist bbc are first to experience this form of cultural appropriation.
………but to restore maximum doom and gloom.
1. BBC still droning on about the unfairness of A levels. Shock. horror. Some people didn’t get their grades.
2. BBC reports as bad news that the UK is stockpiling coronavirus potential vaccines (though we don’t know whether any of them will work) . It’s so unfair, the BBC informs us. Under-developed countries might miss out.
Yawn.
It has been one long whinge-athon on the BBC on R4 today. I couldn’t bear to listen anymore after Woman’s Hour. I did think about listening to TWatO.
Then I thought … nah.
You did well to miss it! Mark Mardell is clearly determined to snatch the trophy for the most biased BBC presenter from Emily Maitlis.
7:30pm Channel4 will you deliver some hate and mockery of Trump supporters?
Yes of course
Totally useless BBC.
Totally useless wokeism.
Rugby is back.
But all the BBC are interested in is that Harlequins will ‘take the knee’ before kick off.
The report ends with Clive Myrie saying the reporter is ‘from Twickenham’. Since there was footage of Twickenham stadium most people would assume he is referring to the National Stadium. But Harlequins play at The Stoop. Which happens to be in Twickenham but is not ‘Twickenham’.
The Anti-National Theatre
Part 1 last year
\\ The Death of England @NationalTheatre
A raw and unflinching look at the dangers of nationalist racism and how that heritage can complicate a father/son relationship. //
I think many of us will have no problem whatever practising social distancing from this theatre.
There is something funny going on with the Covid-19 infection figures from Public Health (England). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 . I find myself wondering if the Civil Servants there are ‘working to rule’ or somesuch obstructive-ness having had a ticking-off from the PM and/or SecState Health and/or the public.
For the fourth day now, they have only released updates every other day. Previously it was a daily update, sometimes late but daily, with a couple of exceptions, regular as clockwork since the end of March or start of April.
Another funny thing: the latest increase for two days has been 20. The previous increase figure, for two days released on 12th August was also 20.
The figures for today are out.
11 deaths under the new regime, though giving people only 28 days to get tested and then die seems pretty harsh.
What should worry us is the daily case rate of 1440. That’s quite a way up and part of a trend. Not cataclysmic but stand by for some domestic lockdown measures if our heroes at NHS Test and Trace cannot get their public sector centralised, bureaucratic act together. It wouldn’t be the first time, would it?
BTW conspiracy theories ?
Have we ever seen many videos where the street adverts and shop signs are back to front cos the camera has automatically mirror imaged them ??
I’ve not
Thread.
The End of the Thread Rant . – this is not about the BBC so bare with me . This is about quarantine .
I’ve just spent a month in Spain – on the South Coast . It’s hot and empty . Everyone is wearing a mask – even on the beach – and I swear to god I saw someone in the sea wearing a mask .
The Spanish are no good at distancing . Shops are a nightmare to maintain distance – their guard is down .
I was lucky enough to be able to adjust my return travel plans so 2 weeks turned into 4 .i hoped the insane 14 days might be dropped to 7 – but no. I went out before the quarantine restriction was imposed .
Eventually as I watched BA flights drying up – coupled with a Worstening number of reported infections I decided to come back .
BA is playing dirty . They collapse 5 or more daily August flights into London into just one . And for those needing a ticket – not cheap . So a 90% full plane still resulted . I complained to BA because my flight had been cancelled and changed 4 times – but the reply was ‘tough ‘.
And Heathrow ? A disgusting chaotic mess . No social distancing at border control – border farce as dumb as at the channel – men in suits with Heathrow IDs standing well away watching hundreds – maybe a thousand people waiting to get through passport control – little hygiene or encouragement to clean .
And quarantine – fill in the 4 page online form . No sign of any checking at arrivals – nothing – no random checks – no temperature checks – just the same as the last time I did the trip – in April .
And now maybe hundreds of thousands more will be entering quarantine coming back from France , Belgium , Holland and god knows where .
Is the quarantine law even remotely enforceable ? No .
And such a law then becomes a joke – like much of the government response – a pee poor shambles .
Meanwhile – I’m under house arrest for another 13 days . I read the regulations . I can go out to get basic groceries but that’s it .
But if you look at the exemptions you ll find the bubble in exempt and doesn’t get or spread covid -that includes BBC staff ….
Tonight – Friday – the telegraph says SAGE recommended tests on arrival 2 months ago – yet all through the time from lockdown nothing was done . It’s lucky the red Tories have another 3 years – otherwise I reckon they’d be gone .
Alex ranting against lefties closing down free speech
Fedup2
Very informative rant re. Spanish/BA/Heathrow experience.
I’ve been thinking of booking a flight to Scandinavia via Heathrow.
Many thanks