The BBC love Baroness Williams. Shirl the Pearl is a regular feature on their political programmes, and she was on Today this morning just before 9am. The item was about disaffection within mainstream politics across Europe and the BBC flagged up how this had manifested itself across the EU, from Golden Dawn in Greece to UKIP in the UK. Yeah, I know. And just in case there was any residual doubt about the set up nature of this item, Williams was then allowed to venomously castigate UKIP without counter, dismissing those who support that party as “people wanting to live in the past. ”
I wouldn’t worry. Most people who vote UKIP see the likes of Williams and the BBC as very much part of the problem. This is what happens when institutions break down.
‘Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.’
Bring it on, I say.
Actually, I rather do want to live in the past. A past when Britain’s towns and cities were recognisable and familiar, when streets were safe to walk at night, when people cared for each other, when responsibility and marriage were in fashion. It’s a fairly recent past, too, just a generation or so. It’s the Left that harks back to a further past, 1917 Russia and 1789 France being particular favourites.
Some words from a blogger who, to put it mildly, feels great unease about the way we are heading:
‘So all you’ll have will be memories & sunsets. Everything else: totally unrecognisable. And no, none of it has been accidental.’
http://www.venerablebeads.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/and-john-lennon-peace-prize-goes-to.html
But can you imagine being without Tuberculosis again, being without Congolese children getting executed on suspicion of Witchcraft, body parts being sold for African rituals, being without honour killings, being without on-street peadophile grooming gangs, being without post code gang-warfare and the regular stabbings and shootings that go with it, being without gang rape. How boring and hideously white would that be?!
This is what makes our vibrant, rich, diverse society so wonderful and unique.
Looking back – not that long ago at all – the John Major years seem like such a decent, innocent time in comparison with today. The pace of change – almost all for the worse, has been truly shocking.
Remember a time when the word ‘Islam’ didn’t mean much to most people, when we weren’t handing out criminal records to people for typing or speaking naughty words, when in large swathes of rural England you could go into town and not hear Eastern European accents all over the place, when our most notable export was not religious terrorism, when we weren’t target number two for those religious terrorists, when elderly people didn’t fear going into a filthy overcrowded hospital to be neglected by staff more concerned with tick-box targets, when the police weren’t so politicised that they wouldn’t dream of standing by to let riots occur lest they be accused of ‘racism’, when we had a Home Secretary who actually knew what he was doing and had the balls to reduce the tide of crime, when clueless halfwit MPs didn’t feel the need to tour their own constituencies in stab-proof vests…
Progress…New Labour style. Great, ain’t it.
You forgot postal voting fraud.
And Cameron gets tough with the naysayers and says he’s not going to “lurch to the right”.
So what does lurching to the right mean?
Prosecuting guilty NHS apparachniks?
Controlling immigratiom?
The single time the Conservatives were beating Labour in the polls since the election was when Cameron seemed to get tough on Europe.
Incidentally, on a related subject there’s a great take on how the crime of treason is likely to make a comeback in the wake of the Birmingham terror plot in: “Humpty and his Numpties” at
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
So do I, Ian, but I know it’s too late for that.
At least after Eastleigh there is a glimmer of hope for the future.
Anyone who disagrees with the Left’s policies of mass immigration and statism is labelled racist and a bigoted by the BBC’s champion rug knitters; in fact, it is they who are intolerant and deluded by believing the superiority of their political beliefs over others’. I simply don’t understand why we British put up with it? We had the strongest empire the world’s ever seen and yet we are reduced to trembling ignoramuses when the subjects of Muslims and immigration crop up.
When will the disenchanted, the disaffected and the downright angry stand up and say no? Or have we been brainwashed… Is it too late? Have we been indoctrinated to such a degree that we have become armchair activists? Anyway, I’m off to watch Plymouth Argyle play, hopefully cheer me up…. then again 🙁
No prizes for guessing which national newspaper this morning ran a story about people in Eastleigh making a protest vote against all the mainstream political parties.
I have to confess that I am one so far unconvinced that UKIP is much other than a limited trick pony and no more than a divisive protest option gutting the admittedly risible Conservatives to hand the country to the two Eds and their PR agency, but presuming ‘dismissing those who support that party as “people wanting to live in the past. ” ‘ is a quote, I have to say learning from what works in history seems a better option than repeating errors from it, especially at the hands of those who claim to have seen the future… and ‘know’ it works.
Youre assuming UKIP take votes only from those who would otherwise vote Tory.
I still remember a few weeks back when ‘This Week’ had some complete no-name leftie ‘comedienne’ on to talk about something or other, during which she described members of the electoraqte who vote for UKIP as (and I quote) ‘…Vile, just vile.’
This comment was left unattended by all of the three men assembled before her (Neil, Portillo and Johnson) – whilst I, dumbfounded by the moment, nearly choked on my coffee. So this is what is comes down to? This is how the BBC is going to set about undermining UKIP and all who dare to vote for them? By describing such voters, on air, without challenge, as ‘vile’? ‘Vile’ for holding a set of political values the BBC’s Ministry of Truth does not approve of?
I’m afraid it will all get much worse for UKIP as they continue, unstoppable, to gather popular support amongst the electorate with whom they are clearly resonating. The BBC will employ every dirty trick in the book; from subtle, sly innuendo designed to hammer away at undermining Nigel Farage and his message, right through to this kind of blatant public insult – expect, in particular, to see the BBC line-up its entire cadre of politically on-message, approved comedians’ to pimp the anti-UKIP propaganda endlessly (can’t possibly be allowing young people to imagine that perhaps UKIP might actually be a credible political alternative, can we?).
Yet more proof, as if it were still needed, of the BBC’s complete lack of balance, impartiality or even fair play.
I have stated my reservations about UKIP above.
However, they appear to have conducted their campaigns with dignity and a commitment to democratic process and free speech that the other parties would do well to learn from and the BBC wouldn’t recognise if it was written on the back of the Magna Carta and presented with the swan and truffle souffle at one of the market rate astoundingly uncurious management lunches held daily.
That such a person as this comedienne is invited on, sees no censure at the time for such views or subsequently is unsurprising by still a concern.
Maybe if she had uttered these words in private in a Green room here career may have taken a different turn?
I am not so sure that the BBC will turn on UKIP as hard as you think that they will. It would suit Labour for UKIP to take a few million Tory votes so we might see the BBC soft pedalling on UKIP until after the election and when their Labout chums are safely in power only then will the BBC attempt to make voting UKIP seem the act of the racist facist old fart etc etc.
Fair point.
Divide & rule seems a BBC specialty.
UKIP is a gift that keeps on giving to the left. Cameron can’t win an election if he shifts too far right. Expect a Lib Lab pact next time around as Labour hasn’t any ideas but isn’t going to lose much ground but will get seats as UKIP does an SDP on the Tories.
I’ve pointed out the UKIP conspiracy at the BBC before. Brilliant strategy paying real dividends.
utter bollox
“Expect a Lib Lab pact next time around”
Thanks for that profound insight you cretin.
I fear he may be right. 🙁
Reminds me of the Duma arguing the toss while the Bolsheviks stole the show. OK not a brilliant analogy but the establishment can’t last long now.
The Libs will be wiped from the political map by UKIP come the next election sonny Jim…the ONLY way Labour will get back into power is with a coalition with UKIP…can’t see Farage going down that route, can you?
More likely will be a CON/UKIP coalition, if Labour do not get a majority.
I admire your vision and confidence but the defeatist realist in me cannot see anything other than a Labour majority at the next election.
I know colditz is only joking about a BBC conspiracy regarding UKIP, because otherwise he’d be admitting it’s biased.
Even so, the remark reveals that he, like all other defenders of the indefensible these days, aren’t actually here to defend the BBC. He’s a Leftoid who comes here to start fights with people with whom he disagrees politically. Any defense against charges of BBC bias is coincidental.
“He’s a Leftoid who comes here to start fights with people with whom he disagrees politically.”
lol well whats the point in enabling comments on a blog site if everyone sings from the same hymnsheet.
I’d disagree with almost everything Colditz says here, but the place would be pretty boring with nothing but yesman/groupthink responses…
‘I’d disagree with almost everything Colditz says here’
Your overall, duplicated points on echo chambering is noted, but it seems a pity you appear more motivated by the heat of entertainment than the light of sensibly argued on-topic-fact.
Interesting that you ‘would’ argue with Colditz but, best I can recall, have not to date.
Rather you have chipped in by way of introduction with a version of ‘I’ve been a long time lurker/Conservative housewife but you lot are…’.
Usually this is followed by a flounce. Hopefully not.
Your point on enabling comments is a good one.
Any thoughts on the BBC practice of doing so selectively, along with various blocks, bans, expeditings or closings?
As one interested in and moved to comment on such a thing, perhaps you can share the outcome of any exchanges you have had with the BBC in this regard?
GN-spoiler: ‘are noted’. I’d written in the singular but then noticed the same thing had been trotted out again.
Observer, lol at yourself for missing the point of this blog. What’s happened to debating the actual issues of BBC bias, rather than insults and ideological fights?
Coalpits, for once you are avoiding ad homs and making discussion. There there, isn’t that better!
I probably agree with most of what you put. And despite another Labour government heaping yet further misery on this country when we haven’t yet recovered from their last disaster, it will be Cameron’s fault for moving to Labour’s former position on the centre left.
I will be voting UKIP, despite the above, as Cameron’s party has moved away from its core support, and UKIP as moderate right of centre are filling that void at the moment.
The one thing that I do disagree with you Coal Tits is that claim that Cameron could never win an election if he moves too far to the right. The opposite is true: he will not win an election if he remains so far left – there are too many nasty left-wing parties, supported by the BBC, already filling that space and they will get the most votes. Those of the right-of-centre who currently feel disenfranchised would vote for him if he brought the party back to its traditional place, i.e. the moderate and decent right.
The important thing is to see the back of Cameron at any cost. Nothing is worse than a pretend politician and this man is a real pretender.
As to what happens then I suggest we wait and see.
FYI her name was Amy Lame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Lamé
The ‘vile’ episode was on Jan 10th 2013 ( still on iPlayer I believe ). I wish someone could make a youtube compilation of these sorts of biased statements. It’s all very well us whinging about BBC bias in our own little group here – but they need to be packaged up and rebroadcast on YouTube if we want to get publicity and traction to rorce them to row back the bias.
Orwell wrote about how the word ‘Fascism’ had lost all meaning, and was now simply used to describe something that one finds undesirable. That was in the late 1940’s!
These days, I believe most people simply associate it with the gurning, acne-ridden deviants of UAF, with their hatred for all things British.
The Rachel Frosh episode caused a light to be shone on the true meaning of Fascism, and the modern lunatic left didn’t like what they saw.
UKIP’s small state, individual freedom, anti military expansionism stance, couldn’t be further from real Fascism.
Yes. But the right (and the centre for that matter) must not become divided – Britain could not survive a further five years of Labour.
Farage now has to prove that he really does mean the things that he says, that he does believe in freedom, that he is a libertarian. He cannot do that by setting his sights on the Tories or (natural excitement apart) gloat at their predicament in Eastleigh.
There has to be some sort of rapprochement or everything he says he believes in; less Europe, our national identity, will be swept away by an unworthy Miliband government.
I still have my suspicions that Farage might be in it for Farage.
Can’t stand the man.
But then I was never of the view that I’d last two seconds in Maggie’s company on a personal level either.
However I don’t need to like a leader to respect them, and see they had beliefs at heart I could support in the national interest.
Cameron..Miliband..Osbourne.. Clegg.. Balls… all odious chancers who’d sell their granny for a day more in power.
Farage is still too peripheral to be sure, but he enjoys his slot on HIGNFY too much for me to be reassured he is the right stuff.
Can you imagine the true political greats even entertaining the notion of going near such a thing?
For me, I think the main reason Farage appears on things like HIGNFY is for the exposure it brings to him and UKIP, as the MSM do tend to bury and ignore them on the most part. Unless it’s because a member of the party has done something they can attack them with.
Totally agree. The Conservative Party, if any, is the one which could get Britain back on track, but it can’t possibly do so under it’s current leadership.
Farage is doing more to expose Cameron than anyone else, and hopefully force a major change in the Party.
UKIP just need more people with the quick-wit and charisma of Farage. I’m sure I wasn’t the only person to laugh out loud when Paul Nuttall was being interviewed on the news, regarding the UKIP members who’d had their children confiscated, and he stated “We’re opposed to all forms of discrimination. So much so infact, that we won’t allow ex-BNP members to join our Party” . . . .
Well you’d better get used to the idea because it’s difficult to imagine a more deliberate wrecking of the chances of re election than Cameron has effected.
Polls show the Labour is well in front 12 points in fact that translates as a massive 114 seat majority.
Policies like reducing the top rate of tax, a maybe referendum on Europe, staking reputation on credit ratings which were almost certain to change, and economy which they never were going to be able to turn around in 5 years and is actually being made worse. Massive foreign aid despite the cuts at home, disgraceful attacks on the disabled, immigration as high as it ever was, Cameron has failed utterly.
No wonder the Tories want rid of him, he has destroyed the chance of re election, and moved the party from the centre right to the centre left, this is a man who would have been more at home in the Lib Dems or the Labour party, but certainly not the Tories.
So on top of all that he has split the vote of supporters making it even less likely he will be re elected. All we can hope for is that the party will remove him well before the next election.
Mid term polls show how much people like what the government is doing not how they’ll vote in an election. The Tories were often 14-17 points ahead in 2009 but only 7 points at the election. Also remember the Clegg bounce during the election but not the results?
Holy shit man, do you honestly believe that milipede is not in it for milipede? Or that cameron is not in it for cameron?
And pigs like lardarse prescott are not in it for their own ends?
It’s theolicies that matter, dontt FFS try to analyse their motives?
Theolicies? Oops the policies sorry!
Bloody i- pads!
Strangely, you still got a lot of likes.
Yes, to those folk it must be like something seen thro’ an enigma machine, because they also are used to seeing i-pad generated texts. Isn’t the human brain a great decoder?
“Could not survive 5 years of labour”,. the bad news is that most of cannot stand any more years of any of them, the “not-the-conservative” party included. We definitely need a new set up and time is running out.
About time we stopped straining at gnats here.We just know what Shirley would say, how Justin would mention “gay marriage” at the very time when Bernard Jenkin was trying to steer the talk into something grander( like why we`re increasingly letting comedians take over, where grown adults once used to stand)…so let`s not fuss too much.
But consider this-just heard Frank Skinner say that the BBC is being looted every bit as much as a Baghdad Palace…if it`s not screwed on, it goes into their Prius for post 89 souvenirs.
How about a campaign to stop then f***ers nicking what WE paid for…whilst moaning about the US Army not stopping Iraqis from looting Saddams palaces,and museums that were the treasure for the world…gone all gone.
After all they DO say that the BBC is a national treasure don`t they?…hence their sticky fingers and willingness to rip us of again, and as they always do.
Come on-surely a FoI at least to stop em rifling the deserted BBC buildings…what IS the level of security there…no blind eyes.
The fall of Savilisation deserves a Public forum, not knock-off Nicks stealing from us….thank you Mr Skinner!
The rest now is up to us!
‘just heard Frank Skinner say that the BBC is being looted every bit as much as a Baghdad Palace…if it`s not screwed on, it goes into their Prius for post 89 souvenirs.’
Is there a URL clip of that? It does seem to suggest witness testimony and some value.
And most certainly worth an FOI.
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/bbc
Given this is in complement to the bunker dwellers handing out £400k Directorships with doubtless 5-year buy-out contracts like confetti, there does come across a Downfallesque sense to all this.
On top of apparently having to uniquely fund their ‘can only go up as well as really up’ pensions and champagne leaving parties, I am unsure the UK licence fee payer should also cover their ‘forgetting’ stuff that is meant to remain on the corporate inventory too as they prepare for the inevitable.
The BBC is essentially Middle Class/Upper Class looting – it is what the Left amounts to in the end.
Do you think that our resident BBC/Leftist apologist Nicked Emus/Colditz is interested in giving people a choice?
i.e. thieving by some members of the Middle Class/UpperClass from everybody else. They justify it as “helping the poor”.
The Marxist historian E.P.Thompson (a favourite of the BBC) wrote books about the “working class” from his Georgian Country pile with surrounding deer park.
Yes, not sure what the programme was but it was on Absolute Radio this morning, sometime between 10-11 a.m…+/- a bit perhaps, bur certainly this show.
He had two zoo team types talking to him, but it was clear as a bell.
Isn`t Absolute Virgin Territory?…that would be fun wouldn`t it?
The BBCs favourite hippie guru doing them more damage that even Brave Sir Woopert.
Goes without saying that no Beeboid has ever given us any inkling of this, as he creeps around the bowels of the BBC with an iPad searchlight in that sad, low voice they used in Baghdad!
To the Batmobile citizens!…
Done sir-thanks for the help.
Link enclosed…let THEM find out who said it.!
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/c/l54r6mr9ssmhkzs028f
I had to sit through this turgid rubbish again to check it all.
Absolute Radio, Sat 2.3.13 and at 1.28-1.30 of his cloud cast…well worth watching and capturing!
Chris When I clicked on your link it took me to the website you linked but it shows your info as it still has you signed in. I’ve clicked sign out in the hope that it stops it from happening, but you may want to check it out yourself.
Thanks Corran.
Is it OK now?
“Is it Safe?…is it safe”?
The podcast in question is at <a href="http://player.absoluteradio.co.uk/core/radioplayer/podcasts/Frank-Skinner-on-Absolute-Radio/2013-03-02/20130302132811/" here, for as long as it lasts. Your FOI request is unlikely to be answered, as there are two copies of it and you haven’t requested any specific, named media, but I can’t argue with the wording.
Blast. Editing error. It’s here, for as long as it lasts.
Well, it’s a fairly entertaining show, but I didn’t hear any talk about the Beeb.
It was dated Sat 2nd Mar 2013. It must be the one that chrisH is talking about. Perhaps my attention wandered; perhaps chrisH is trying to sell the show?
” Perhaps my attention wandered; perhaps chrisH is trying to sell the show”
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Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps..
There now appears a wealth of information, some contradictory.
The testimony of memory vs. what cannot be found… by memory.
Given what can get deployed these days, it would be good to get this resolved with evidence.
As long as it lasts.
Peter Rippon on O/T so even FoI exemptions no longer exist?
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
Williams is long past her sell by date (83 for goodness sake) – she got the West bank mixed up with Gaza on a recent R4 Any Questions.
she must be stinking by now 😉
I heard 2 points made on Week in Westminster this morning :
1 The UKIP candidate looked more like a proper Tory than the Tory candidate.
2 The UKIP line on the doorstep that resonated so much was “Enough is enough”. That sounds a super and simple line to take. It applies to transfers of power to Europe, ridiculous European policies that harm Britain eg the deliberate attacks on the City of London, PC nonsense like gay marriage, burgeoning overseas aid at the same time as economic pain at home, inward immigration still over 500,000 last year. And to cap it, as Farage is now stressing, Cameron’s threat to welcome Turkey into the European Community.
Yes, UKIP looks dangerous to Cameron. But Cameron is dangerous to Britain, not much better than Miliband and Clegg.
I look forward to big polling by UKIP at the local elections. And further gains when the European elections come round. Anything that might bring the Tory party to its senses.
Meanwhile – do not the broadcasting rules now require the BBC to give more airtime to UKIP ?
I find it strange…….no I don’t actually come to think of it……..that when some rentagobshite is on bad mouthing UKIP,that we don’t hear the usual “hold on,there is no-one here from that party to defend themselves”
this was also the case when some led dim was on bbc breakfast the morning after slobbering about “right wingers” and “extremists” in UKIP and the nodding dogs in the studio never even mentioned that he’d said it
UKIP should really look into taking legal action on grounds of “hate speech”
if the lefties can come up with nutcase laws,I firmly believe they should be beaten over the head with them at every opportunity
*leb dim
I quite liked led dim! Has a ring of following rather than leafing to it!
Leafing? Oh my; leading sorry, anyone want to buy an i- pad?
Didn’t Churchill say ” Tomorrows fascists will be the anti fascists.”
It’s more likely to be a variation on a quote from the Louisiana populist politician of the 1930’s, Huey Long, about fascism coming to America in the guise of anti-fascism.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Winston_Churchill#The_fascists_of_the_future_will_be_called_anti-fascists.
In a sensibly run broadcasting operation it would be remarkable that anyone bothered to ask that slily old woman what day of the week it was, let alone anything about contemporary politics.
Shirley Williams has been on the wrong side of just about every political argument she has been involved in, from Wilson’s day to this. Her career, such as it was, has been a catalogue of idiocy.
That the BBC still turns to her as if she were a sibyl tells the listener all he needs to know about the state of the BBC’s fractious state of mind. They are scared.UKIP has the metropolitan elite badly rattled.
Ah yes, the Liberal insult mantra ” Racist, bigot ” and of course, that old standby that we’ve all come to know and love ” Nazi.”
Have you noticed there is more programmes about the Nazis and Hitler, 60 years after the conflict than there was in the 1950s. Is this deliberate or just an accident by television schedulers ? Hmm.
Yet I’ve never seen a programme about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, who combined killed 100 to 150 million.
Would you get a BBC documentary called ” Marxism, a Warning from History ” all about the Gulag system, the persecution of the kulaks, the Holodomor man made famine in the Ukraine ? Somehow I doubt it.
The incessant repetition of the ” nazi ” smear more than 60 years after the war is to stigmatise any Right wing movement, nazi or otherwise, nationalism of any variety , from timid anti immigration conservatives to the EDL.
The BBC’s nazi smear is a propaganda tool for multiculturalism and a potent device to make all Right wing people run for cover, too afraid of labels like ‘racist’ and ‘nazi’ to openly say what we sincerely believe.
To me the persecution of the kulaks, is as much of a ‘warning from history’ as the Holocaust, its one of the few moments from history that truly terrifies me. They say that Russian agriculture never truly recovered from it……
Now that UKIP are deemed to be Nazis we can expect the UAF to disrupt their meetings under their policy of No platform for fascists. Come on Cameron – stop supporting these thugs
With apologies to Samuel Johnson:
“Claims to progress and modernity are the last refuges of the scoundrel.”
Good to hear a vote for UKIP has nothing to do with ‘disaffection within mainstream politics across Europe’ then.
What are they for then?
I see the BBC’s tactics have worked. Don’t worry about any actual UKIP policies. The BBC doesn’t want you thinking about their policies, other than their supposedly extremist opposition to Europe, either.
Pat Buchanan gave a speech at the 1992 Republican Convention, he is a traditional Christian Conservative.
A Liberal journalist said ” I would have preferred it in the original German.” A nice smart ass line.
The intention was clear, to identify Buchanan as a nazi, delegitimizing his conservativism and nationalism with the most potent weapon of the Lefts rhetorical arsenal.
These things are always contentious but a lot of people have accused Buchanan of being an anti-semite.
In politics you can either level the playing field or clear it. The lefts’s Modus Operand is to clear it using all the liberal fascist methods in their tool box. Destroy rather than argue. They could ague against the UKIP but that would require honest debate.
Cue: Dez, Scott etc.
Preceding this with that “cautionary tale” about the rise and rise of Le Pen was such a transparent attempt at audience manipulation I laughed out loud when the Beeboid intoned his warning.
You’re seeing the same thing we saw with the BBC’s – and MSM’s – coverage of the Tea Party movement in the US (after they stopped censoring all news of it and reality forced them to report its existence, that is). The Narrative is that they have no legitimate policies, and all support for them is based on something visceral, an internal ugliness of the supporters themselves. Just like there can be no legitimate opposition to the President’s policies and any objection is based on crypto-racism, any support for UKIP is based not on any legitimate policy concerns but on the negative emotional state of disaffection.
Alinsky Rules on display, paid for by you.
First they came for the TeaParty and we kept silent.
Now they’re coming for the Republicans, and we’re saying nothing.
Next they’ll come for the moderate Democrats, and we’ll say nothing.
Then they’ll come for you ) liberals – and there will be no one to protect you.
There are probably too many UKIP supporters for Labour councils to remove their children. But watch out for elderly UKIP voters in care homes with postal votes. The Liverpool Death Pathway could await them before the May elections.
Hi People
UKIP=Nazis
UKIP have not gassed millions of jews.
However, UKIP and the BNP`s anti immigrants policy ( and thus anti free market) does tend to move UKIP to the left, they also want to ban the burka, it is not for the state to dictate what people choose to wear.
UKIP are the same as others apart from being anti EU.
The state came 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th in the recent Eastleigh By election, think about it!
(Off topic, the BBC has been down graded, clip on my blog)
Uncontrolled immigration is in the interests of nobody in the UK – even the most buccaneering capitalist. It could be argued that the burka is, in its own way, a political uniform on par with the black shirts of the BUF (which were banned in the thirties): the number of times burkas have been used to hide the identities of criminals in this country is starting to mount, so that, besides their being a public statement about the role of women, they constitute a security threat to everybody.
Wtf has being anti immigrant got to do with being anti free market. More explanations required kebab!
Kebab plays to gallery of the anti-Israel sub-group who wash up on Guido’s – he has an jihad-of-the-keyboard agenda that is pretty obvious.
Sorry! take all that back – having visited his blog, it looks like I’ve got him mixed up with someone else. oops.
That’s Billy, he’s famous.
I was carrying on a desultory running fight with a bunch of raving anti-semites at Guido’s – his comments were close to theirs and had Arabic writing on it for some reason and what with his advocating unlimited immigration and the burka – I jumped to conclusions.
What? Non-PC bigotry at Guido’s? Say it ain’t so! Why aren’t Nicked emus and dez and prole and colditz and bigben (or his sock puppets) over there scolding them hurling labels at them and/or writing to the BBC and the police trying to get it discredited as a hate site?
It has certainly led to the death of a lot of Hindus
It has certainly led to the death of a lot of other muslims too!
My interpretation of conservatism means conserving British culture and the British countryside, just as much as anything else, neither of which can be done with immigration levels as high as we’ve had for the last 15 years.
Beeboids + UAF + Hamas + ‘Occupy’ + ‘Greenpeace’ = ?
= A national treasure.
National treasure?
According to Frank Skinner, it may well be getting carted off at the moment as the BBC move houses.
I refer you to the link of mine up above.
I for one don`t see why I should have to buy Wogans toupee back for the taxpayer when I see it up on eBay a few months hence.
Aren`t the BBC paid enough as it is without pretending a rioters brick is actually one from the Blue Peter garden?
No-no pension plans or creative accounting using BBC stuff as paid for by us..it`s our national treasure(J.Birt said so once!)not |Paxos pension or whoever( other BBC talent brands are, of course available)!
= it’s kicking off everywhere!
To David P:
Some treasures are better off buried.
Sometimes, even a consummate Luvvie gets it…
Little Johnny Sessions…
He’s adamantly “anti” Europe. “I get so bored with people going, ‘Ukip are a bunch of racists.’ They’re nothing of the kind. Nigel Farage talks more sense than the rest of the politicians put together. The United States of Europe is madness. This whole business with Germany and Greece. These people, Susie, get paid to think about these things, all day long. And I can’t believe they went, ‘Well, here we are, we’ve got these people in Germany, and they get up at six in the morning, and they work until eight in the evening, and these people in Greece fall out of bed at 11, go and play backgammon, drink a bit of coffee, go and have a siesta and then do an hour’s work.’ And they expect to get the same benefits, welfare rights, and all the rest of it.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/john-sessions-i-do-tend-to-sound-like-a-bit-of-a-creep-8508264.html
I had noticed that Sessions is by far one of the most intelligent guest panelists on QI, based on the couple of times I’ve seen him.
Is this a false flag operation ? get a pretentious, smug smart ass luvvie John Sessions to say ” I’m a UKIP voter.”
And the parties credibility goes out the window.
I had thought after Rotherham that UKIP would replace the Conservative Party in the north in Labour areas but I was quite wrong. Eastleigh says they will win everywhere.
Did anybody in the radio piece actually equate UKIP with Nazis? Or are people moaning about an inflammatory headline concocted by Belfast East’s queen of unelectable parliamentary candidates rather than anything actually broadcast, let alone endorsed by, the BBC?
This is surely homophobic is it not Scott?
Even if he-or indeed any of us-were gay, I`d not recommend you being so personally nasty.
I didn`t hear the piece, but your tone is offensive.
See…WE can all be victims as we wish…and what you say if Out of Order.
Now run along you scamp…and chase another parked car, lad!
Well, not that it was ever meant in a sexual manner – you’ll have to determine for yourself why you would be so obsessed with thinking that David Vance might be gay – I’ve been called far worse by people whose defence you’ve jumped to in the past.
Funny how the people so keen to lob the biggest stones seem to live in houses made of the most fragile glass…
Nothing wrong with being a homosexual if you want to burn in hell for all eternity when you die.
what an incompetent moby you are
At least he’s honest abnout his nick. The KKK were always linked to the left, i.e. Democrat Party.
Quislings deserve all the abuse they get.
For being quislings yes ,but not for being homosexuals or having an opinion that differs.
P.S. pretending that the BBC does not encourage the view that UKIP are closet nazis is disingenuous to say the least.
Oh dear Scott.
Do tell us in what sense you meant DV was East Belfasts Queen.
Take your time, lad!
To be fair to Scott, I don’t think he realises the sensitivities involved here. You see we (as in people who are not behoven to the BBC) are not PC. He is PC. When he uses casual non-PC language he offends us. We can use non-PC language between ourselves because we are not PC. Am I right?
You may have missed the subtle innuendo. UKIP were included in a group of ‘misfit’ movements, though only Golden Dawn were specifically singled out as being if I remember correctly ‘the most extreme far right group to gain representation anywhere in Europe’.
Also at the start of the piece as a contextualization we were given a brief description of Poujadeism in France, and were enlightened to the fact that Le Penn was one of its representatives. Not an explicit linkage but hint, hint you know what I mean.
As for Shirley Williams I loved the unchallenged bit about how these movements don’t deal with the realities of globalization and make promises they cannot meet. So following Shirley logic in such only a ‘misfit protest’ movement would offer free university tuition to say half the population and all and sundry from abroad who can work in the country for 3 years and then claim the same benefit as the indigenous population.
Nothing more than an unfunded spending bribe from a misfit protest movement that cannot deal with reality but will make any absurd promise to gain office.
And the BBC role out Shirley Williams as some sort of Genro.
Willliams is one of the 68ers who share responsibility for the destruction of our country and of Europe.
So mired in unreality that it is a complete waste of time arguing with them.
A particular highlight [of Tom Baker’s appearance on HIGNFY] was when Baker gave an anecdotal account of how, whilst entering a recording studio in Wales, he was accosted by a member of the public who told Baker: ‘I will never forgive you, nor will my wife, for what you did to our grammar schools.’ Baker responded with: ‘What are you talking about, you daft bugger?’ to which the stranger replied: ‘I’m so sorry. For a moment I thought you were Shirley Williams.’ – wiki article on Tom Baker
‘role out Shirley Williams’
Just to intercept a Grammar Nazi, I think they have been channeling her schtick via various proxy harpies ever since she hit the screens.
The top-rated comment by ‘beastinblack’ is well worth a read…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9902750/Eastleigh-by-election-I-used-to-argue-when-people-said-all-parties-are-all-the-same.-I-dont-now.html
This Nigel Farage?
“So, Mr Farage, why does UKIP’s leader have a German wife? …and did she make you kip in the spare room over that ‘seven-times-a night fling’ with a Latvian?”
By Jane Fryer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254368/So-Mr-Farage-does-UKIPs-leader-German-wife—did-make-kip-spare-room-seven-times-night-fling-Latvian.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
oh, the 3 so called mainstream politacal partys love smearing anybody that challenge there politacal bases .racists,,fascists,,and nazis is the buzz smear word now. that they use against popular support against centre right partys like ukip,,,.ahh..but…dont you thnk we have woken up to the mirage of lies and smears by these corrupt warmongering bastards who try to contorl us…lets put this one to the smearmongers….how many people have died at the hands of ukip and nigel farage in pointless foreign wars?? yes nobody…..ok…since 1997..how many people have died including are brave british soldiers fighting useless wars that have got us nowhere at the hands up vote by these lying corrupt politicians including tony blair right up to david cameron now..?? yes over 1 million people slaughtered from iraq,serbia to afhganistan ,who are the real bloody nazi warmongers tony blair and david cameron you lying bastards…….
‘You may have missed the subtle innuendo. ‘
Thats the one that exists in your head.
You now the ‘Reply’ link in light blue bottom left?
Very useful.
I suppose you noted that when the list of misfit protest movements were mentioned Respect were not included. Why exclude them from the list.
Shirley Williams – so unelectable that she had to be made a peeress. By the Tories. Truly a member of the political class, she has held unelected fatcat’s jobs ever since.
Nigel given yet another free run on Marr today.
God knows where Vance got the Nazi jibe from. Noone is accusing UKIP of latent fascism. In fact the opposite. Of being a Stalinist by the MEP he recently lost.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21355197
Nigel is a complete twit leading a party of little Englanders. No wonder he’s popular here, he reflects a UK that never existed except in Ealing comedies. The past isn’t returning.
And BBC keep on pushing the UKIP agenda. Clearly this is in the BBC’s interest to big up Nige as it ushers in the green socialist Roma caliphate.
Quislings are in total denial about what will happen to Britain in the very near future. If you wholeheartedly welcome it then why not engage in that utopia straight away by moving to Islamabad or Rochdale.
I think you will find that the interviewer was just not that good. She tried hard but is probably just a rather pleasant person and not confrontational by nature.
I see Colditz has been reading his Guardiansta handbook on ‘how to describe UKIP’ again.
Sounds more like whistling in the dark to me. And the more Letist twits keep moaning about ‘little Englanders’ the more they remind us of their innate contempt for the country.
Certainly not averse to the all-inclusive generics in face of some inconvenient facts.
Though he does allude to the interesting notion that the BBC now sees UKIP as a nifty way to divide and rule, so in the same way they ‘invite’ on ‘guests’ (dress code flexible in some cases) or stack audiences or rig vox pops or ‘select’ emails, it would be interesting to see who comes on as much as who is left out to push the narrative.
On matters Eastleigh, the IRA/Argentinian candidate from HM’s loyal opposition and his showing seems to have been Kremlin MayDay bbcShopped from the corporate consciousness.
I remember the rise of the SDP and the media was wall to wall in its coverage as the right wing saw it as the perfect way to lame Labour. Plus it was a good story! Any fourth party gaining traction is a good NEWS story and should be given lots of coverage. UKIP is practically the third party according to opinion polls. The far right press in this country wants an extreme right Tory party and thinks bigging up UKIP will force Cameron right.
Cameron knows he will be annihilated if he moves from the centre.
The problem for all parties is that nobody is really involved anymore at grassroots.
The SDP/Lib alliance got 25% of the vote in 1983. I expect UKIP could pull in a good % as well. Not win many seats and guarantee Miliband is PM.
Result!
Colditz
‘Cameron knows he will be annihilated if he moves from the centre.’
Yes, annihilated by the BBC.
‘….guarantee Miliband is PM. Result!’
At last a BBC supporter nails his colours to the mast. He likes Labour and the BBC. Good for you sir. But now please explain why I have to subsidise your favourite political broadcaster?
I am also intrigued as to the origins of ‘Little Englanders’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander
It seems a bit mixed, depending on which historical era is chosen.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/little+englander
One can see how any in Britain thinking first of the best interests of Britain may be unwelcome on some quarters.
I then pondered the other presumed side of this coin.
Less help here, but I did find this:
http://www.envplan.com/abstract.cgi?id=a190143
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Now what about a redacted deep back archive is not to love? Especially by some.
His own MEP called him a stalinist and anti-woman. Sounds an ideal leader for many. He’s also a confessed adulterer so I hope he keeps his morality to himself.
But what’s to stop you reading the comments? Frightened that Nigel is yet another right wing fruitcake…
One MEP, who has the reputation of being a bit of a ratbag.
And since when has being ‘a confessed adulterer’ been any sort of issue with a Leftie?
Ah, I forgot, it’s that infinitely flexible morality again, isn’t it? One thing when it’s a Rightie, another when it’s one of yours – like Prescott.
You’re a hypocrite, Colditz.
God knows what logical thinking equated my piece with Prescott and then assumed I must be a supporter of John Prescott and that made me a hypocrite.
But then you dismiss the MEP who defected as a ratbag. Clearly a rational debating point.
No she was a leading critic of the EU but old Nige couldn’t cope with having an intelligent woman telling him her views. He’s a little dictator. What a surprise!
The same logic that defines India’s record low temperatures as a cultural construct.
For “intelligent woman” read “opportunist traitor”. Her libelling of Farage was straight out of the feminist handbook. Perfectly timed, too – and now one of Cameron’s – er, Dave’s dolls.
Having read pages and pages of political comment on here, I had to chuckle when it was pointed out to us that the little blue reply button was on the left. Shouldn’t this little blue reply button be on the right?
‘Shouldn’t this little blue reply button be on the right?’
Not for all, surely?
Reminds me of the ‘Daily Mail Readers’ dilemma presented when confronted with either admitting to being one too, thus negating the point if trying to suggest a generic block mentality, or confessing to not reading what is written by said paper yet seeing fit to comment, which really won’t help the point being made much either.
Funnily enough, though, now you mention it, the BBC seems to favour…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/
Of course, this has no comments, being closed…now.. for over a month.
In fact it’s proving hard to find out, as near all the BBC Editor blogs seems either not to currently have any comments enabled at all, or have closed them.
There may be a metaphor in there too.
Of course it wouldn’t occur to you that it could be in the middle?
It seems that sections of Britain’s political class find it easier to co-operate with Islamic jihadists, than with UKIP.
The Cameron-Clegg-Miliband-INBBC political grouping is largely supportive of giving aid to Al Qaeda and its fellow travellers in Syria.
now that is funny
Even the men.
Even funnier
CANADA.
Is this anotherf reason why INBBC, in its reporting, continues to largely ignore the existence of Canada:-
“Canada won’t follow U.S. lead in aiding Syrian jihadists”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/canada-wont-follow-us-lead-in-aiding-syrian-jihadists.html
If you dont agree with there forced multicultural dream ,They call you a facist, Is facisim not when you are force to accenpt there only way??
Considering that Williams is virtually ‘the past’ herself she is hardly qualified to talk about the future and as the past has proven to be a better model than the present regardless of it’s imperfections it’s a better model for the way forward.
It’s unlikely that a Lib Dem is ever going to be able to see that but then again I suspect being a liberal is probably a sign of deeper mental issues anyway. That wasn’t a problem in the past as we could just ignore them but given they have one hand on the tiller at the moment and wavey Davey has worryingly liberal tendencies our future is looking very precarious.
[The BBC’s Portrayal of a Typical Tory MP]that was me by the way…