The Mysterious Disappearing Far-Left

It’s Easter time, when the BBC gear up to cover the annual ritual that means so much to so many of the faithful – the annual conference of the National Union of Teachers.

This year, those teachers who want a national strike against Government education policy are being described on Radio Four as ‘committed activists’. Way back in December 2001, when I searched the BBC News website for occurrences of the phrase ‘far-left’ and ‘far-right’, the NUT, with its ‘various far-left groups’ was one of only five mentions of a British far-left.

The other four were in a Scritti Politti review, a story about Peter Hitchens having been a youthful far-leftist (how come we never hear that about Andrew Marr – or indeed any of the vast number of other BBC journalists to which it would apply ?), a story that the Animal Liberation Front had both far-left and far-right members, and a Peter Tatchell profile.

There were 32 stories about the British ‘far-right’ – of which no less than 11 involved the Tory party.

The overall figures were – ‘far-left’ 46 stories, ‘far-right’ 338. I repeated the search in August 2002 – 66 far-left, 502 far-right.

And one minute ago – Fascinatingly 97 far-left, 420 far-right. Is this an indication that the BBC is now reporting at a 1/4 ratio rather than 1/8, or does the BBC’s search engine needs its indexing looking at ? Fortunately I kept all the 502 search results, but further analysis will have to wait till I have more time.

Not needed – try the ‘advanced search’ option and drop down the date listboxes, while leaving the range at 1997-2006. You still get 97 far-left stories, while the far-right feature in a staggering 1,550. Looks like the ratio is 1/15. Anyone using BBC search is advised to use the advanced option.

If, like most human attributes, political views were subject to a normal distribution about a mean, you might expect far-left and far-right views to have a pretty equal distribution. Unless, of course, there’s bias in the measurement. The kind of bias, say, that doesn’t consider the Socialist Workers Party, who support the Iraqi ‘resistance’ while simultaneously controlling the ‘anti-war’ movement, to be far-left. After all, half their college friends were in it.

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215 Responses to The Mysterious Disappearing Far-Left

  1. Sharpsuit says:

    What a disgusting bunch Labour are.

    “Straw softens tone as he offers Hamas financial lifeline”

    Britain wants to have “normal relations” with Hamas and is seeking means of unfreezing millions of pounds worth of aid to Palestinians, Jack Straw said yesterday, in a striking softening of tone.

    Two days after a Palestinian suicide bombing killed nine people in Tel Aviv, the Foreign Secretary appeared to be moving away from America’s policy of isolating the new Hamas-led Palestinian government and starving it of funds.

    Mr Straw suggested he was looking for ways to ensure that all of Britain’s £56 million contribution continued to reach Palestinians. http://tinyurl.com/zflsg

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  2. Thouroughly Pissed Off says:

    I WANT REAL NEWS LIKE THIS

    How Chirac had Blair over and it’s going to cost us dearly
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/17/dl1702.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/04/17/ixoplead.html

    And this.

    How the labour party is now viewed as venal and corrupt by the electorate
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/15/dl1501.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/04/15/ixoplead.html

    And this.

    How Hamas is a terrorist organisation, pure and simple
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/18/dl1801.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/04/18/ixoplead.html

    Instead I get this bollocks from the BBC constantly banging on about a bunch of ragheads who deserve all they got.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4925030.stm

    Look at the last one, they even have the gall to invoke ‘The move came as a result of a Freedom of Information challenge’
    In the BBC’s eyes, Freedom of Information cannot apply to them, they are far too important for that.
    The corruption that surrounds the obscene payments made to BBC nonentities (How on earth can you justify paying £360,000 to a soap ‘star’ or £500,000 to an autocue reader) and the profligacy in spending money derived from taxation on Christmas parties for staff should be a matter of urgent parliamentary debate. Followed by a discussion on how to implement independent oversight on all BBC finance and on its blatant, far left distortions that pass for news.
    What? I hear you say. MPs debate corruption within the BBC, don’t be so naïve.
    The few untainted politicians remaining are terrified of upsetting the BBC in case they don’t get invited back, and those who would be unafraid, such as Frank Field, are never invited on.
    BBC, you set one standard for yourselves and another for every one else. You are a disgrace.

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  3. DumbJon says:

    OT, but here’s one bereaved family we won’t be seeing on the BBC:

    http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=584072006

    Why might that be ?

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  4. will says:

    Strictly O/T but

    SiN now this guy wants foreign office help!!

    What snivelling wretches – him, his lawyers & other UK based terrorist supporting human rights types.

    & of course to all of them its still Bush’s fault.

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  5. Sarge uncensored says:

    Thoroughly Pissed Off

    Darling,
    mawh, mawh,
    they all go to the same cocktail parties.
    Old Socialist Blunkett cavorted with the Spectator staff.
    Paul McCartney has his phone calls to No.10 answered in 10 minutes if PM is in, two hours if PM is out of the country.
    They sup from the same spoon.

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  6. Rob Read says:

    Sarge uncensored,

    They are no longer the gatekeepers.

    Their power is waning fast.

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  7. Ritter says:

    According to the beeb (1).
    The Conservative Party should publish data about loans which they consider confidential even though the Party is NOT funded by taxation.

    According to the beeb (2).
    The beeb should NOT have to publish data about payments/salaries which they consider confidential even though the beeb IS funded by taxation.
    gordon-bennett | 20.04.06 – 3:31 am | #

    According to last night’s Newsnight, A doctor (GP) earning £250k is a scandal. BBC employed DJs earning twice that much are not mentioned. Strange that!

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  8. dumbcisco says:

    reith has popped up a couple of times recently to shill for the BBC.

    So far,

    1 he has failed to show that the BBC consistently describes Hamas as having a charter aim of destroying Israel

    2 he has failed to declare that the BBC is wrong to refuse to use the T word to describe acts of terror in the Middle East. One specific example put to him was the deliberate killing and maiming of dozens of children in Baghdad. He waffled about his own views – but would not condemn the BBC policy.

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  9. Ritter says:

    on topic – The figures in the ‘far-left’, ‘far right’ story are incredible and damning as far as I can see:

    Results 1 – 10 of about 805 from news.bbc.co.uk for “far left”.
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Anews.bbc.co.uk+%22far+left%22&btnG=Search&meta=

    Results 1 – 10 of about 44,900 from news.bbc.co.uk for “far right”.
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Anews.bbc.co.uk+%22far+right%22&btnG=Search&meta=

    So the BBC News website has 805 pages that mention the word ‘far left’ and…. wait for it, let me get this straight, 44,900 references to ‘far right’ ??!!

    WTF??!! Speechless.

    ok, I can talk now. Interesting how often the BBC invoke the spectre of the ‘far right’. I feel like i’m in 1984.

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  10. Rick says:

    According to last night’s Newsnight, A doctor (GP) earning £250k is a scandal. (Because it is such a rarity ?) BBC employed DJs earning twice that much are not mentioned (Because it is so common ? )

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  11. Sarge uncensored says:

    gordon-bennett

    Cameron has started his messianic mission to save the world, he is on a trip to Norway to study the melting ice caps.
    I hope he is paying for this out of his own pocket. If he gets into power then he can doubtless employ thousands at the taxpayers expense to carry out further field trips.
    A Minister and Ministry of Global Warming perhaps?

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  12. dumbcisco says:

    If the DJ pay scales were just the market norm, there would be similar pay figures for DJ’s in the commercial sector.

    But there aren’t. Because the BBC can be as free as it likes with OPM – other people’s money.

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  13. Sarge uncensored says:

    Gary Powell

    The point at issue re the BNP is that they are connecting with those who feel their views are not being sought and acted upon. They are being treated by the main parties, as you describe, as racist socialist loonies, a dying race of white working class Neanderthals who will simply wither on the vine and deserve only to be ignored and insulted.

    You appear to be making the same mistake. Various strategies have been employed by the establishment to keep the proles happy, contented and ineffectual. The last thing the establishment wants is a thinking prole.

    Admittedly thinking proles have led to the twin evils of communism and fascism in the past. The Nazi claim that the UBERMENSCH meant the ‘master race’ of Aryans was another societal fraud which the German philosopher NIETZSCHE would have renounced.
    Nazism is anti-Semitic, militaristic and nationalist.
    Now those who try and stick this label on the BNP have a problem.
    The old National Front did ape the Nazis. Does the BNP?, it’s nationalist OK, apparently we should be ashamed of the union jack, St George’s day, and the flag of St George.
    Is it militaristic? Do BNP councillors wear uniforms and have torch lit processions?
    Is it anti-Semitic? Do they blame the Jews for the worlds ills?

    Or do BNP councillors listen on the doorstep to poor oppressed voters who cannot understand what is happening to their country because they are worse off than they have ever been, their culture and society is daily abused denigrated and insulted, and their children are being forced into a system they do not agree with, a system that nobody, apart from the BNP appear to regard as worthwhile or worthy?.

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  14. dumbcisco says:

    Last night the BBC reported that violent criminals will be less likely to get an easy ride from the Probation Service after early release. They flashed up the faces of a bunch of such violent criminals who have committed recent horrific murders after early release.

    Just one of the faces was white.

    And the BBC and the London toffs of all the main parties wonder why the former indigenous whites are worried, feel angry ? Stir in the known large numbers of Muslims who would happily bomb us or who don’t condemn those who do, plus the out-of-control immigration and asylum flow, with hundreds of thousands/millions of unskilled and often illiterate people flooding in, and there is bound to be huge disatisfaction with the political elite.

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  15. Ritter says:

    OT

    ‘Fairer’ lottery set for launch
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4924060.stm

    Off topic – but I thought the whole point of the lottery licence tendering and award process was to give a provider a 10 year licence to run the ‘national lottery’ on an exclusive basis?

    How can this charity set up a national lottery in competition? What’s to stop the BBC setting up a BBC Charity Lottery? Why don’t Virgin set one up and give the profits to charity?

    I’ve probably missed something…

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  16. Rick says:

    Yes Ritter which is why lotteries charge 25 pence since the National Loterry can charge £1 and issue bigger prizes unfortunately.

    It should never have had a monopoly – the ruling regime likes competition everywhere else.

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  17. D Burbage says:

    A global google search on far-left and far-right has far-left at 9.7 million and far-right at 16 million. If that isn’t representative of the relative incidence of the terms I don’t know what is!

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  18. Sarge uncensored says:

    Gary Powell

    Cameron attack on BNP turns off more Tories
    19th April 2006

    “It’s the last straw. We’ve been Conservative voters and the last straw. We’ve been Conservative voters and grass-roots workers for more than forty years, but from now on we’re with the BNP.”

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=870

    Dave Cameron’s Radio 4 interview suggestion yesterday, in which he urged voters to back any party other than the ‘evil BNP’ is going to cost the Conservative party many thousands of votes, and a fair few activists.

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  19. Sarge uncensored says:

    Tory leader David Cameron has urged voters to back “any party” other than the BNP.

    Why is Cameron shouting this message?

    Is he a stooge or a lackey?

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  20. Robin says:

    The left make other lefties disapear when it suits them.Thus the Soviet Union and satellite states were”dictatorships,not communists”same with Pol Pot and others.A dictatorship of the right,though,will always be a right wing dictatorship eg Pinochet`s Chile

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  21. will says:

    Iraq – civil war?

    This opinion piece starts with a BBC journalist as scene setter

    The dispute over whether Iraq is in the grip of a civil war has surfaced again, with the UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and his Saudi counterpart airing directly contrary views during a conference in Riyadh.>/i>

    I saw a clip of C4News Sister Hillsum interviewing the Saudi man. His definition of civil war was “war between civilians”.

    This BBC report continues with a reasoned piece by an academic, but look out for the Saudi interpretation to be aired in future, without mention of the rather bizarre definition. Something like “both the Egyptian & Saudi governments believe a state of civil war to exist in Iraq”?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4902708.stm

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  22. Ritter says:

    Well, knock me down with a feather!

    A load of hot air?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4923504.stm

    “Hardly a day goes by without a new dire warning about climate change. But some claims are more extreme than others, giving rise to fears that the problem is being oversold and damaging the issue.
    How much has the planet warmed up over the past century? Most people reckon between two and three degrees. They are not even close. The real figure, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is 0.6C.

    It’s not surprising most people get it wrong. We are bombarded by stories warning us that global warming is out of control. The most extreme warn us we will be living in a tropical Britain where malaria is rife and Norfolk has disappeared altogether.

    Dr Hans Von Storch, a leading German climate scientist and fervent believer in global warming, is convinced the effect of climate change is being exaggerated.”

    Interesting article. I also note that:

    1. This article appears in the ‘Magazine’ section and not ‘Science/Nature’ (where it would have to compete with all of the ‘We’re all doomed’ stories

    2. No mention of the culprit-in-chief of global warming hyperbull, the glorious BBC.

    Nevertheless, the programme might be worth listening too……

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  23. Ian says:

    Can I just mention, off topic, that the BBC are offering advice for laid off Peugeot workers.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4924438.stm

    One advisor is an ex-Rover employee called Maurice Minor.

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  24. Gary Powell says:

    Sarge uncensored
    Dont disagree with any of that. The points I have made still stand. I suggest that these people should concentrate their efforts on trying to get their Labour MP to represent them better, or even at all. The Conservative Party is idealogicaly the wrong place for them to look.

    One thing they might like about the Conservative Party is that it has always dedicated its being to trying at least, to run Britain for whats best for all British people. So that does include them. Even if the Labour Party does not really give a shit about anyone except its socialist agenda.

    There simply is hardly any seats that central office believes are dependant on BNP votes, real or theoretical. This it really impossible not to agree with. All political parties have a computer.

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  25. gordon-bennett says:

    I see that the execrable Humphreys has suggested that The Queen should have invited Castro to her birthday celebrations.

    Only a left-wing thicko could be so stupid. Fancy bigging up the leader of a regime whose citizens (slaves?) are taking any risk thay can to escape Cuba rather than continuing to live in that socialist “paradise”.

    You just have to ask would he have recommended Pinochet to see that he’s a leftie.

    We are gradually building up a set on Today what with Naughtie saying “when we win rhe election”.

    Even the beeb cannot continue to maintain the lie that their presenters are impartial.

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  26. JohnOfBorg says:

    Ritter

    “… fervent believer in global warming …”

    Just about says it all really.

    Also, check out the first page of hits for your “far left” and “far right” google searches of bbc.co.uk – they are in no way comparable.

    The hits for “far left” are either incidental (describing a position in a photo, or a golfing grip), or appear in readers’ comments. Only one or two of the hits are from actual ‘news’ articles, in which the usage is by no means critical.

    One of the hits is a Simpson screed in which he gently chastises the ‘far left’ for encouraging the French to vote ‘non’ on the EU constitution.

    All of the ‘far right’ hits (on the first page) are from news articles, in which the phrase is used in the headline, except for this little gem at the top of the list. It’s a point-and-click map detailing the ‘rise of the right’ in Europe.

    Check out the UK’s section:

    Political parties: British National Party
    Popular support: 1-2%
    Key figures: none

    LOL!

    Of course, in most cases a more appropriate term would be nationalist, rather than ‘far right’, because clearly many of the parties described are of the national socialist variety, and that should be the real cause for concern.

    The reason for the imbalance in the number of hits is pretty clear, however. Incompetent leftist bureaucrats throughout Europe have made such a mess of immigration (as a matter of deliberate policy) that this single issue is beginning to override all other considerations in the minds of the electorate, and the media reflects this. The ‘far left’, which stands for ‘even more extreme peecee socialism than NuLabour’, is an irrelevant joke.

    In all of those articles, I haven’t noticed a single mention of any of these parties’ other policies, yet they are all described as ‘right wing’. How odd.

    This looks like a rich seam of bias for anyone who can be bothered.

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  27. JohnOfBorg says:

    On second thoughts, the extreme Left is clearly not an irrelevant joke in France, given recent events. Not to the spineless politicians who caved in to it, anyway.

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  28. Gary Powell says:

    Sarge uncencered
    I can assure you that whatever you and the MSM might say or think, the Tory party will not lose any activist at all by slagging of the BNP. Membership is increasing at a pace. In marginal constituancies racism of any sort amounst the voting population and especialy party activist is a compleat “no go area.”

    New voters are the ethnic minorities. A lott of which have never lived under a Labour goverment before Tony Blairs. Voters vote with their bank statements in one hand. When they are holding a redundancy notice, they will know who to blaim. People really arnt that stupid forever. At least they never have been before.

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  29. john reith says:

    Sarge & Co

    So the BNP aren’t anti-Semitic huh? Aren’t militaristic either??? And aren’t even Nazis? What about their Development Director until Jan this year, one Tony Lecomber? I quote from a recent profile:

    ‘In 1985, Lecomber was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices and earned himself a three year sentence. In 1991 he was sentenced to a further three years for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish school teacher.’

    I had spotted a certain knuckle-dragging tendency on this board but I hadn’t expected you all be closet neo-Nazis…or who are only not neo-Nazis because they’re worried about invasion of privacy by Special Branch’s finest. Perhaps I should have picked up on it earlier when Sarge & G. Powell started maundering on about being proud to be working class. (My parents were born working class, but they couldn’t wait to get out of it….a much healthier attitude.) What’s there to be proud of in poverty, squalor and ignorance? But perversely some seem to revel in it – despising education (or ‘book-learning as they call it) and writing posts with near-parody spelling mistakes. Then there was that awful moment on another thread when Sarge (or was it Powell?) ended up with the line ‘a pocket full of mumbles. Such are promises’. Here we are in the land of Shakespeare and Milton quoting Simon & Garfunkel as if they were profound. That’s what comes of despising real education. Pathetic.

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  30. Henry says:

    john reith – read this

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/liars_oct04.htm

    . Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn – Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

    . Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner – Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

    . Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green – Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

    . Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley – Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

    . Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

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  31. Henry says:

    Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston – Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as “As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember” Preston also holds the position on the Council of… `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

    . Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones – Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

    . Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman – Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

    . Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson – Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

    . Labour MP, Tommy Graham – Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

    . Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper – Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

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  32. john reith says:

    Dumbcisco

    You asked (repeatedly) whether I supported the BBC’s policy on the use – or non-use of the word ‘terrorist’. I am replying late because I thought I’d better find out what the BBC’s policy actually is. Not surprisingly it is NOT anything like what you and others on this board say. I quote from the BBC’s document ‘Guidance on the Use of Language when reporting Terrorism’ (sic):

    “The Guidelines do not ban the use of the word. However, we do ask that careful thought is given to its use by a BBC voice……. If you do want to use the word, reassure yourself that its use is going to aid rather than hinder understanding wherever it may be seen or heard.”

    Seems pretty sensible to me.

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  33. Henry says:

    john

    Read through the list there are plenty of thugs, thieves and perverts. Then there is:

    New Labour: ex-communists

    http://www.eurabiantimes.com/archives/2004/11/new_labour_exco.php

    Did you know Communism killed a lot of people?

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  34. John Reith says:

    Henry….
    I have read that…..and your point is…precisely?

    It comes as no surprise to me that a number of former Labour councillors are crooks or perverts.

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  35. Sarge uncensored says:

    At least I flushed john reith out, it’s an old tactic that works every time, put someone under pressure and they show their true colours.

    I love how the words racist Nazi and fascist brings on the frothing tendency.

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  36. John Reith says:

    Sarge

    I’m not sure what you mean by ‘flushed out’. If you mean that I don’t care for Nazis….you are dead right. They tried to kill my Dad back in the 1940s. And my mother, for that matter. If you think that because I don’t care for Nazis, then I must be some Pinko Commie-lover, you are way off. I’m a Conservative (cultural as well as political).

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  37. Sarge uncensored says:

    “What is a “Nazi?”

    That’s a good question. There’s alot of wisdom in the maxim, “WHAT is a ‘Nazi?’ It’s someone who is winning an argument with a ‘liberal’.”

    Essentially, the term has no definitive meaning. It’s a plastic cliche of no factual substance, applied to an opponent to divert discussion and debate into the emotional, impulsive arena, out of the realm of rational, meaningful dialogue.

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  38. Sarge uncensored says:

    john reith

    The illiberal “liberals” vocally decry dehumanization and objectification of human beings, but it is they who most often fail to practice what they preach.

    The illiberal “liberals” prefer to deal with caricatures, rather than people, for caricatures are easier to confront. Caricatures don’t need to be debated.

    The illiberal “liberals” refrain from substantive discussion with those they objectify mainly for two reasons: fear and sloth. They fear that cherished leftist concepts and myths will be debunked via genuine debate. Since most “liberals” lack self-discipline (an earthly extension of their philosophy), sustained substantive debate is a pursuit they’d rather not engage in, regardless of the stakes — it’s just too much work. Dishonest, distorted caricatures generated by ………………………. shield the illiberal “liberal” from the need to construct an intelligent argument based on factual data.

    Fill in the gaps yourself

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  39. Sarge uncensored says:

    john reith

    My mother was set on fire by a passing Luftwaffe pilot. Unlike you however I didn’t pigeon hole him as a Nazi. He was doing his job, he probably liked flying and as he was German he was able to get paid for his hobby. That he was flying a bomber was neither here nor there.

    Umpteen of my relatives have fought the Germans in both wars, and all have admiration for them. My relatives have been amputated gassed and blinded by the Germans. When young I became a victim ( as you appear to be ) of our own propaganda.

    When I saw my first German I nearly fainted with shock, he didn’t have two heads. As I talked to my relatives I gradually understood.

    German POW’s who worked in the UK were highly prized, they were ‘good workers’ That does not make them or their nation Nazis, and it doesn’t make the British who wanted them as labourers ‘pro-Nazi’

    Grow up.

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  40. John Reith says:

    Sarge

    I agree with much of what you say about liberals.

    As for ‘What is a Nazi?’ – well it seems pretty straightforward. There is a tradition of European Fascism that has in common corporatism, nationalism, militarism of the kind practised by the German National Socialist Workers Party. It is collectivist at bottom – as evidenced by the notion of fasces – bundles of sticks that are strong en masse but easily snapped one by one.

    Neo-Nazis take some, not all of the European fascist tradition and seek to apply it to the contemporary world. In the UK it is sometimes diluted by borrowing ideas from the Distributist movement of the 20’s (the real Distributists wouldn’t give the time of day to today’s neo-nazis).
    Other influences are drawn from Nietsche’s superman ravings.

    Sometimes they try to disguise their roots by using concepts such as ‘the third position’ or (to Tony Blair’s chagrin) the Third Way.

    Offstage these bozos will celebrate Hitler’s birthday and sing the Horst Wessel Song. Some of them will form terrorist groups like Column 88. Others will stand for elective office as BNP candidates. Their leaders have rightly noticed that most mainstream politicians are too busy wooing the affluent middle-class swing voter to bother much with the white working class. But don’t get fooled into thinking they have any real feeling for the white working class – they just see them as useful idiots to be manipulated for political gain.

    If your monniker… Sarge…. suggests you were once an NCO in HM Forces, you should know better than to have any truck with them. Snap to attention and clean your political act up. It’s a disgrace.

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  41. Sarge uncensored says:

    john reith

    Back to the BNP,
    mainstream politicians ……………don’t
    bother much with the white working class. But don’t get fooled into thinking they have any real feeling for the white working class – they just see them as useful idiots to be manipulated for political gain.

    YOU SAID IT

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  42. John Reith says:

    Sarge
    Your capacity for getting the wrong end of every stick is astonishing.
    First, I am not anti-German. And the people who tried to kill my parents weren’t your ordinary, decent Luftwaffe war criminals….oops….Terrorfliegen. The ones I have a beef with dressed in black…. you know the same sort of fetching uniforms your BNP pals dress up in when the curtains are drawn. And by conflating two sentences you utterly misrepresent what I say about mainstream politicians and the cynical leadership of the neo nazi movement.

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  43. Sarge uncensored says:

    john reith

    “Other influences are drawn from Nietzsche’s superman ravings.”

    Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 – 1900)

    A mental giant of the nineteenth century. Nietzsche taught that that the dynamic person – the ubermensch – the ‘higher Man’ (not your perverted super man)

    perceives frauds in the prevailing culture, renounces them, and proceeds to build alternative personal values.

    Don’t go calling Nietzsche raving or Nazi just because he’s got a Z in his name.

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  44. Henry says:

    john

    you’re psycothic if you really believe people close their curtains and slip into second world war enemy uniforms. You need to stop watching the bbc.

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  45. John Reith says:

    Sarge

    ‘Nietzsche…a mental giant’

    – who died, quite mad, of syphilis.

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  46. Rick says:

    Essentially, the term has no definitive meaning

    It does and they had membership cards to prove it.

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  47. Sarge uncensored says:

    ” great intellects are sceptical”

    “convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies”

    “it is so little true that martyrs offer any support to the truth of a cause that I am inclined to deny that any martyr has ever had anything to do with the truth at all”

    ” The higher man must struggle to find truth through reason and expunge from himself all vestiges of the supernatural explanations inculcated by society”

    Friedrich Nietzsche. I will stand to attention and salute such a man.

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  48. Ritter says:

    Q&A: salary leaks ‘bad news for BBC’
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2143264,00.html

    If I had a say (which I don’t), at the very least the BBC should have a RPI minus formula for their last 10 years of the tv tax ie RPI -3% every year.

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  49. john reith says:

    Henry

    Go to:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/roots/1959.stm

    for a photo of BNP founder John Tyndall and his mate Colin Jordan (both jailed for paramilitary activity) wearing their Spearhead uniforms – closely modelled on those of the SA. And that’s what they wear out and about. Tyndall used to hold parties to celebrate Hitler’s birthday – what order of dress for those, I wonder.

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  50. Ritter says:

    Minister ducks BBC salary debate
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4927812.stm

    Ms Jowell said negotiations were only just beginning. The government was running opinion polls to assess public willingness to pay the licence fee and how people valued BBC services.

    Anyone been asked for their opinion yet?

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