“How can the BBC be impartial

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318 Responses to “How can the BBC be impartial

  1. mick in the uk says:

    Are Al Beeb likely to show this disgusting rant…
    http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/07/10/video-british-islamist-parasite-defends-london-bombings/

    Or the video of the US soldiers, which shows the barbaric reults of the butchers on their bodies?

    I won’t post a link to the mutilation video, but I’m sure the BBC folks have seen it.

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  2. dumbcisco says:

    mick

    I raised that the other day. The BBC refuses to declare that the US soldiers were beheaded and grossly mutilated – just like it refuses to show the Danish cartoons. It might upset a small segment of their audience – when in fact it is hiding the truth from the vast majority.

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  3. Grimer says:

    Does anybody know where I might be able to view the documentary

    “Britain’s First Suicide Bomber”?

    Anybody know if it is available online? Anybody able to make it available?

    Thanks

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  4. mick in the uk says:

    Dumbcisco:
    I know you raised it earlier, and gave the link.
    I just can’t believe the BBC didn’t pick the speech up.

    If you view the page source where the link is, you are able to download the video and view it at your leisure with the free FLV file player…

    http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html

    As for the US soldiers, where is the outrage of the moonbats when they see the state of the bodies and the disrespectful way in which they are being treated?

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  5. dumbcisco says:

    mick

    john reith told us the other day that the BBC doesn’t do outrage.

    Evidently not even in the face of the most awful atrocities.

    Compare that to Richard Dimbleby’s reporting from Germany in 1945 when they found the concentration camps. I seem to recall the news clips showed lots of outrage. Cold, hard scorn and disgust.

    But that was the old BBC. Now we have BS like the stuff Peter Horrocks spouts in defence of moral equivocation.

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  6. mick in the uk says:

    Did you ever see the video of the 19 Nepalese hostages who were executed?

    The BBC showed a neat row of bodies, but the actual video was the stuff of nightmares, and was available on a compilation DVD in my City.

    As you said, the BBC don’t ‘do’ outrage…unless they don’t get the pay rise.

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  7. dumbcisco says:

    The BBC doesn’t do outrage in the face of real atrocities – but will do outrage on endless loop for anything to do with Gitmo or Abu Ghraib.

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  8. archduke says:

    israeli government has had emergency “war” meeting

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885983212&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    8 IDF soldiers killed today. things are certainly not looking good right now.

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  9. Bryan says:

    Robin Lustig on ‘Newshour’ decided that it’s just not cricket, old chap, to rush to judgement and lay the blame for the Mumbai atrocities on Muslims. So he canvassed the opinion of the executive director of conflict managment in Delhi:

    Robin: ….As you suggest, all the first suspicions are pointing in the direction of different Islamic groups, pro-Kashmiri independence groups who in the past have been responsible for attacks in India, but we should remember, shouldn’t we, that when there was a major attack in India about 20 years ago it turned out not to have anything to do with Islamic groups.

    Director: That was in 1993, 13 years ago, and it was the largest ever attack on Indian soil. It was not an Islamic terrorist group, but it had the same source. It was the group that was motivated, armed and supplied by Pakistan to execute the attacks in India. It was an established, organised criminal group over here.

    Hmmm, that’s interesting. I don’t think there is much to choose between your average terrorist group and the terrorist country known as Pakistan. And I doubt that the ones who orchestrated the 1993 attack were Buddhists. So I don’t think Robin Lustig got the answer he was expecting from the good director.

    Still, I believe that Lustig is one of the fairer-minded Beeboids and I was surprised to hear him casting around for a guilty party other than Islamists.

    Maybe they got to him and he converted.

    In other news, the World Service’s ‘Outlook’ broadcast an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali today. I nearly fell off my chair.

    Perhaps all is not lost.

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  10. mick in the uk says:

    Bryan:

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali was on Start The Week R4 on Monday, listen again here…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/starttheweek.shtml

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  11. mick in the uk says:

    Bryan:
    I’m just listening now, and the intro mentions ‘Muslim Extremists’!

    Recording it for later as well.

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  12. archduke says:

    ayaan hirsi ali popped up on newsnight recently as well.

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  13. disillusioned_german says:

    Israeli Airstrike Destroys Foreign Ministry Building In Gaza City – Fox News

    Focussed reporting by Shepard Smith who says “It’s war” – things are certainly heating up down there.

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  14. disillusioned_german says:

    Former US Ambassador to Israel Mark Ginsburg just suggested that Israel might attack Damascus as well as Beirut because of the involvement of both Lebanon and Syria…

    Let me just state categorically that Israel has my full support. We’ll see how the Beeb is going to report on the stories.

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  15. Richy says:

    I like this section of the editors page on the BBC.

    BBC in the News, Wednesday

    The Telegraph: “The BBC’s top brass yesterday defended the decision to hand its executives record pay rises.” (link)

    The Guardian: “Des Browne, the defence secretary, yesterday accused the BBC of endangering the lives of British troops.” (link)

    The Telegraph: “A Labour MP turned the air blue in the Commons as he berated the BBC for helping to create Britain’s increasingly vulgar culture.” (link)

    All negative.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/

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  16. Biodegradable says:

    disillusioned_german, al-Beeb will continue to report whatever happens as Israeli agression along the lines of ‘fresh attacks’ etc.

    Even the normally leftish, pacifist Ha’aretz is cautiously admitting that war has already been declared on Israel:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/737805.html

    One thing we must always remember is that the Arabs can attack Israel and fail, as they have done in the past, and they will live to try again. Israel is always conscious that if it fails just once to defend itself it will cease to exist.

    What is clear is that having left Lebanon and Gaza in the hope it would bring peace, in both cases the Arabs have seen it as a victory and as a sign of weakness by Israel and are using both areas to launch attacks on Israel.

    Israel now needs to send a very strong message to its enemies and the international community be damned.

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  17. archduke says:

    indeed BioD – thats exactly the way i’m reading it too.

    i noticed on one of the Israeli newsites that the right-wing, non-Likud parties are calling for a government of national unity.

    in other words – its war.

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  18. disillusioned_german says:

    Biodegradable: I totally agree. The Israelis know terrorism better than anyone and they also know what to expect from the Beeb’s favourite victim group… terrorism.

    That’s why they can’t afford to be as blind as most European administrations. We’re slowly entering a new ‘dark age’ and my main hope when it comes to the defence of freedom is Israel.

    Maybe our politicians will wake up too – at some stage. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

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  19. archduke says:

    interesting how ABC news in America leads on the Israel v Hizbollah battle.

    and yet , the BBC relegates this potential outbreak of WW3 to below something about some corrupt Tony Crony being arrested. ho hum.

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  20. archduke says:

    ABC news just showed a map of hotspots that are of concern to the Americans right now:

    Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, Iran and now Israel.

    commentator said that no U.S. president has faced so many conflicts occuring at the same time since WW2.

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  21. disillusioned_german says:

    Nice one, SiN. I particularly loved the last paragraph:

    “I am sorry if it disrupts your fix of EastEnders or keeps Paxo off Newsnight for a day or two but, if there is a strike, BBC bosses will finally be getting the sort of performance-related bonus they deserve.”

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  22. disillusioned_german says:

    According to Oliver North Israel has about 500 fighter jets so they’re well prepared to fight an all-out war if required.

    This is a defining moment in the Middle East… worrying alright but probably overdue.

    Am I going to rely on Al Beeb’s coverage? I don’t think so.

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  23. Allan Draycott says:

    Did you notice that the bejewelled (nice bracelet- wonder if that was a performance bonus?) Emily Maitliss called Hezbollah “a guerilla group” on “Newsnight” last night?

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  24. GCooper says:

    I don’t wish to minimise the importance of events in Israel, but has nobody else noticed BBC News Online’s attempts to shift the focus from Levygate?

    “Police quizzed after Levy arrest” is the current BBC headline.

    Not, even by the standards of the most derranged, can this be considered an accurate reflection of the mire Bliar is in as he and his little friend sink beneath the waves.

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  25. disillusioned_german says:

    GCooper:

    I guess we’ve been here before… but anyway, here’s the list of usual suspect re. misinformation / propaganda:

    Labour
    Lib Dims
    CND
    BBC
    Guardian
    Independent
    Mirror
    House of Lords
    MCB
    IRA
    SNP
    David Cameron etc.

    I keep wondering if the majority of Brits is totally deranged these days. Maybe I’m lucky and still stuck in a time-warp with some decent UK residents with a conservative background. Looks like you’re a dying breed, my friends. 🙁

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  26. Bryan says:

    mick in the uk and Archduke,

    Good to know that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not persona non grata at the BBC.

    Am I going to rely on Al Beeb’s coverage? I don’t think so.
    disillusioned_german

    Good thinking. About an hour ago, in the introduction to ‘The World Today’ they were already trying to spin the line that the Lebanese government is unable to do anything about Hizbullah since it’s backed by Iran and Syria.

    I decided it wasn’t worth listening to. However, if they ever start examining the possibility of the Lebanese disarming Hizbullah….

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  27. archduke says:

    IDF are threatening to level Beirut skyscrapers if the Hizbollah rocket attacks continue:
    http://betbender.blogspot.com/

    dozens of rocket attacks this morning. 1 Israeli civilian killed, many wounded.

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  28. archduke says:

    “Am I going to rely on Al Beeb’s coverage? I don’t think so.
    disillusioned_german”

    thats why i’m on the israeli blogs.

    amateur, unpaid bloggers are giving me more information than the multi-billion $$$ BBC.

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  29. archduke says:

    good blogpost here – explains Hizbollah’s goals very well

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2006/07/hizbollahs-kidnap-goals-different-from.html

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  30. Cockney says:

    ‘I keep wondering if the majority of Brits is totally deranged these days.’

    Bloody hell, ‘disillusioned’ with Germany, worried by ‘deranged’ Brits – who will he pick on next?

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  31. John Tomlinson says:

    Anyone catch the BBC news report last night on the Nat West Three? About as anti-American as you can get with even a bit of scurrilous gossip and unfounded allegation from that poisonous little bitch Shami Chakribati of ‘liberty’.

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  32. Rachel says:

    another excellent daily news source on Israel
    http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.com/

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  33. John Reith says:

    disillusioned_german:
    Nice one, SiN. I particularly loved the last paragraph:

    disillusioned_german | 13.07.06 – 2:00 am | #

    I prefer this bit:

    “Asked to justify each new eyebrow-raising venture, the BBC’s stock response is that it does it because the public wants it to do it. People love, trust and admire us, smiles the BBC. And, of course, generally they do.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/07/13/do1302.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/07/13/ixop.html

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  34. Biodegradable says:

    “John Reith”, the BBC’s, and your smile today, remind me of Yassir Arafat’s sickly smile.

    [Obscenity deleted. Don’t do that again, Biodegradable. I’d be quite sorry to lose you.]

    Edited By Siteowner

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  35. Rachel says:

    UK – BBC backing terrorists

    In this puff piece on Hezbollah, not once does the BBC use the word “terrorist”. This dispite the fact that Hezbollah has been designated a terrorist organization by the “… United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Canada, Israel and Australia”. Further, “On March 10, 2005 the European Parliament voted overwhelmingly (473 in favor, 8 against, 33 abstain) on a resolution branding Hezbollah in whole as a terrorist organization.” And “The EU has also decided to block Hezbollah’s Al-Manar television from European satellites…”

    read the rest in:

    http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/

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  36. will says:

    John Tomlinson “Anyone catch the BBC news report last night on the Nat West Three? About as anti-American as you can get”

    I wonder if the NatWest3 would have obtained as much support if they were being extradited to (say) Azerbaijan, a country subject to the same process as the USA.

    I consider this matter the UK’s very own Dubai Ports affair. At least the US legislature & media were getting into a tizz about dusky skinned strangers, not their No1 ally.

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  37. will says:

    Rachel The EU has also decided to block Hezbollah’s Al-Manar television from European satellites

    An action somewhat devalued when (as yesterday) the BBC interview the Hezbollah TV man to put peace lovers case.

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  38. archduke says:

    will -> and he popped up again on “Today” this morning.

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  39. archduke says:

    but to be fair to Today, Humpy didnt tear into the Israeli representative, and allowed him to make his case quite clearly.

    Methinks Humphreys knows that Hezbollah is defending the indefensible.

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  40. archduke says:

    rachel -> for a minute there i thought that was a jihadist site (what with the suicide bomber graphic at the top, and the use of a child-jihadist as an avatar on the right)

    http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.com/

    it isnt, thank god. far from it.

    and thanks for the link. we need all the blogs we can get – for we sure as hell wont be getting the full picture from Al Beeb.

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  41. Rachel says:

    another day, and more lies:

    Article’s lead (sums up the article, directs you how to think)

    Bridges were targeted in overnight raids on south Lebanon
    Israel is imposing an air and sea blockade on Lebanon as part of a major offensive over two soldiers captured by the militant group Hezbollah.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5175160.stm

    IS THIS REALLY ONLY ABOUT THE ‘CAPTURED’ SOLDIERS? NO. AGAIN OMITTING ALL THE CONTEXT AND MAKING ISRAELIS LOOK LIKE WAR-MONGERS.

    The operation comes as Israel continues a separate offensive in the Gaza Strip over another captured soldier. NOT RELEVANT, ONLY SERVES THE BBC’S LINE

    Eight Israeli troops died and two were injured in the clashes, during which Hezbollah fighters captured the two soldiers. LIE, NOT CLASHES–UNPROVOKED ATTACK WITH INTENTION TO KIDNAP.

    Hezbollah guerrillas responded by firing volleys of rockets at the northern Israeli coastal town of Nahariya, killing one Israeli woman.
    LIE. NUMEROUS POPULATED AREAS WERE TARGETED INCLUDING TOWNS, KIBBUTS AND FARMS (SCROLL DOWN TO SEE MAP http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/448/673.html.

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  42. archonix says:

    Not bias as such, but can anyone explain this headline to me?


    President Bush in Germany visit
    .

    Why put it that way? Does the BBC have some sort of need to say that Preisdent Bush is “in” something all the time? Are they trying to imply he’s “in” trouble? Or are they just really, really bad at grammar… wouldn’t “President Bush Visit’s German” or “US President Meets German Chancellor” suffice?

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  43. archduke says:

    “Asked to justify each new eyebrow-raising venture, the BBC’s stock response is that it does it because the public wants it to do it. People love, trust and admire us, smiles the BBC. And, of course, generally they do.”

    so i presume the BBC sends every license fee payer a voting form to gauge the *real* feelings of the public?

    or are we in Stalinist terrority here – the “will of the people” and all that?

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  44. archduke says:

    “Or are they just really, really bad at grammar.”

    they’re really bad at grammar. happens all the time.

    BBC – avoiding the T word , again:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314423.stm

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  45. Cockney says:

    I’m not entirely convinced that “President Bush visit’s German’ would be an improvement on the grammar front.

    Will,

    I didn’t see the report on the Natwest 3 but I’ve got a few issues with the coverage of this and with those defending what’s happening.

    As you correctly say, Britain has the same extradition arrangement with Azerbaijan as well as many others including Russia, Albania, EU etc – you don’t tend to learn this is media reports.

    Obviously the key issue is that the treaty is not reciprocal as it hasn’t yet been ratified. Clearly this isn’t the fault of ‘America’ (much less the usual bogeymen of the Bush administration). The ‘fault’ such as it is lies with the British government for signing our end up front.

    Also the reason these chaps are being extradited rather than facing trial in Britain (for an offence under British law committed in Britain) is that the authorities can’t be arsed pursuing it on the basis that the Americans are – once again not reported and I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking this is a disgrace.

    More unreported context to this, is the deluge of abysmally drafted, ludicrously impractical and expensive post Enron rules coming out of the senate which severely impact British companies with US listings or parents. Something which our government should be taking up but isn’t.

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  46. Rachel says:

    THE BBC SEEMS INCAPABLE (AND MORE PROBABLY UNWILLING) OF CONTEXTUALISING, KEEPING ITS FORCED PAYERS DUMB.

    for SOME context, see:

    ISRAEL’S NEXT WAR HAS BEGUN.
    Battle Plans
    by Yossi Klein Halevi

    http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w060710&s=halevi071206

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  47. archduke says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5172418.stm

    “EU slashes overseas mobile costs”

    huh? have the mobile phone companies suddenly been nationalised?

    err no.

    “The European Commission has outlined plans that could cut the cost of using mobile phones abroad
    by up to 70%.”

    ahh – plans. they havent slashed mobile phone costs after all.

    “European Union information society and media commissioner Viviane Reding hopes to get her proposals in force by the summer of 2007”

    ok. so its not until 2007 – so why the misleading headline?

    “but they still need approval by the European Parliament and EU governments.”

    ahhh – so it might not even get approved. so , why the misleading headline?

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  48. archduke says:

    rachel -> naval blockades and airstrikes sounds like an all out war to me. the BBC seems to have gone into meltdown denial.

    i mean, if the British navy was blockading say, Spain, and launching air strikes on Madrid, that would be classed as “war” wouldnt it?

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