when it receives loans from the European Investment Bank?” asks EU Referendum. The post goes on to say that according to its own website the EIB is “an autonomous body set up to finance capital investment furthering European integration by promoting EU policies”
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field.size -> Mr Steele should read, and read again, and read some more, the Hamas Charter.
seems to me that some Guardianista’s haven’t signed up the Euston Manifesto and are running around in a warped world of denial.
Even if Hamas dressed up in Hitler S.S. uniforms, and started flying swastikas , they still would not “get it”.
it reminds me, in many ways, of the self-deluded attitude that existed towards Stalin (which Orwell got seriously pissed off about), and later to the Soviet nuclear threat.
This is war, and if it isn’t would somebody define what is please.
Subject: Rocket attack on Israeli city
From: BBC Breaking News Alert
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:17:04 +0100 (BST)
Rockets fired by Lebanese militant group Hezbollah hit the Israeli city of Haifa, army says.
bioD -> hang on a minute. looks like Hezbollah have reneged on their promise to only hit Haifa, if the IDF hit southern Beirut (where the boss of Hezbollah lives).
ITN leads with the headline tonight , in the 6.30 news:
“All out war?”
yup – its certainly looking that way.
Deliberate escalations risk destabilising the whole region, Jeremy Bowen says
And exactly who is doing the escalating according to Jeremey ‘Mr. Enhanced’ Bowen?
You guessed it.
Israel has described what happened on Wednesday, when two Israeli soldiers were captured, eight killed and two injured in a Hezbollah ambush, as an act of war.
It has retaliated with highly escalated acts of war, which are calculated to put a great deal of pressure on the civilian population.
Please “John Reith”, no more bollocks about not having dogs in the fight!
reith
as usual, you misquote. I said the woman was introduced as an EXPERT – not as a propagandist for Hisbollah. You obviously did not hear her rant. She was a shill, not an expert.
ITN are reporting on the Haifa attack.
2 rockets. little or no damage.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877
First Hizballah rockets land in Haifa, one of Israel’s three main cities and chemicals industrial center
July 13, 2006, 8:36 PM (GMT+02:00)
Hizballah has just denied sending the two rockets which hit a street in the Stella Maris suburb near an Israeli military base after dark Thursday. No immediate word on injuries. Residents of Haifa and its environs ordered to shelter in protected areas, placing more than 700,000 Israeli civilians in shelters.
More than 100 rockets landed on northern Israel in a single day, 90 Israelis were injured, one woman killed in her home in the coastal resort of Nahariya which was battered by Katyusha fire through the day. After dusk, several more people were injured when another volley hit residential streets. Residents are fleeing south with children. Safed took another round of rockets after dark and more casualties. One fatality reported, the second of the day. After nightfall, Hatzor Haglilit, Amiad and Korazim came under attack.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2875
n northern Israel, 90 civilians injured, one killed, by dozens of Hizballah rockets against towns and communities within a 20-km radius from the border Thursday. The entire region placed on a war footing…
BTW, I’m listening (again) to Melanie Phillips and others on Moral Maze talking about Gaza:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/moralmaze.shtml
Gaza crisis threatens to become a calamity – Palestinian pain is not Israel’s fault – Europe’s response to the siege of Gaza is shameful …
These are newspaper headlines from recent days revealing very different political perspectives on what is going on in Gaza.
But behind the politics, what of the morality? Why has Israel used violence against the Palestinians in Gaza? Is this disproportionate, even collective, punishment for Palestinian actions and threats, or a morally legitimate response to the abduction of Corporal Shalit?
Clifford Longley, Melanie Phillips, Ian Hargreaves and Steven Rose cross-examine the experts, live, in The Moral Maze.
IDF have bombed Beirut-Damascus road.
ITN news report this evening was incredibly unbiased and fair, with regards to the developments in Lebanon.
there were reports from the Lebanese side, Beirut – and then reports from the Israeli side, showing the effects of the both the Hezbollah rocket attacks & the IDF response.
it was good old fashioned journalism – no agenda setting. just reporting the facts. and i dont have to pay a telly tax for this.
so , why do i have to pay a telly tax for Mr Bowen to lecture me on how the Israelis are “escalating” matters?
How many pro-Israel people posting here are Jewish? Judging by the (D)HYS bbc forum on “when will it end” most non-Jews comments are very anti-Israel, especially those from UK and Europe. I wonder why that is?
Caped Crusader, I am Jewish, but I believe most pro-Israel commenters here are not.
Radio 4’s 6 o’clock news this evening stated that the kidnap of the Israeli Gilad Shalit occured “in Gaza”. News to me. It’ll be news to him as well. Another subtle attempt by the BBC to frame this story by suggesting that this kidnapping was a response to an Israeli incursion into Gaza, a territory they should NEVER have withdrawn from without dismantling the terrorist infrastucture that threatens them.
John Snow – lying through his teeth on Channel 4 news.
he said that the Israelis have responded because of the 2 soldiers kidnapped.
THEY HAVENT – what about the Hezbollah rocket attacks that happened when those soldiers were kidnapped, Mr Snow???
remember folks – part of your telly tax funds Channel 4.
Tonight’s six o clock bbc tv news gave its usual soft touch to the story of the illegal immigrant (this point was not mentioned of course) who was illegaly cremated in the open on a funeral pyre in Northumberland by his relatives. The piece was crammed full of phrases about “cultural sensitivity”, “religeous beliefs” plus an interview with a sikh who says this sort of open air cremation should now be be allowed here. But of course, there was only a passing mention of the fact that this is, er, illegal in this country.
No interview with police, no interview with cremation authority, no interview with environmental health. In fact there was no critical input at all into this piece.
BBC Multicultural Propaganda Unit scores again.
i note that Channel 4 news have only the one journalist out there.
and he is reporting from Beirut.
no journalists on the Israeli side.
Not Jewish! I worked for a Jewish owned travel company for about five years, so that may make me biased.
That (D)HYS forum has a lot of idiots bleating on about the poor Pali/Lebs. I have to read it in small increments so as to avoid punching the screen in frustration!
“a territory they should NEVER have withdrawn from without dismantling the terrorist infrastucture that threatens them.”
i disagree Will. by withdrawing the settlers located in Gaza, it acheives two things
1. allows Israel to show the world how the P.A. operate when given autonomy.
2. if that fails , it gives them a free fire zone, without fear of counterattacks on Israeli settlers (because of the security wall)
strategically it was a smart move, and it will work out in the long run, albeit painful initially.
“No interview with police, no interview with cremation authority, no interview with environmental health. In fact there was no critical input at all into this piece.
BBC Multicultural Propaganda Unit scores again.
Alan”
well, a report on the Sikhs makes a nice change from the constant Muslim-Muslim-Muslim bleating, that i am quite frankly sick to death of.
although your point is valid – a counter argument should have been presented, re environmental/pollution aspects.
i think it also ties in to a recent Times report that Hindu/Sikh community do feel ignored – and annoyed. They are peaceful, and yet they dont have government attention. Muslims blow up tube trains and we get endless “initiatives” and a full on “Islam Expo”.
if i were a British Hindu or Sikh, i’d be mightily pissed off with that. the lesson being – terrorism pays.
Johninlondon
I’ve never heard of you, let alone quoted you.
Unless….you’re dumbcisco whose forgotten to switch monniker when moving from one blog to another.
If so….my point was that it doesn’t matter if she was a shill for Hezbollah, a propagandist for Hezbollah or even the leader of Hezbollah…..if she was put up as balance to an Israeli government spokesman.
7.25 and FINALLY , channel 4 give us the view from the israeli side, live from Zarit.
at least ITN led with BOTH sides in their initial reports at 6.30.
i heard that interview , and i have to agree with JR.
the israeli guy sounded very logical, very calm and very measured. The Hizbollah lunatic just sounded like a lunatic.
this wasnt an example of BBC bias.
Mr Bowen provides plenty of that.
John Reith “If so….my point was that it doesn’t matter if she was a shill for Hezbollah, a propagandist for Hezbollah or even the leader of Hezbollah…..if she was put up as balance to an Israeli government spokesman.”
If that is the case then there should be no problem for you, John Reith, if Israel decides to use a Kach supporter as balance against a Palestinian spokesperson? Afterall, he would simply be used to ‘balance’ the situation.
IAF are now bombing south Beirut
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885985413&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.stephenpollard.net/002685.html
“never knowingly understated”
sorry, anyone with that on top of their blog is a bit of a self centered prat.
will | 13.07.06 – 4:46 pm
They are getting there. However, they wont be fully informative and accurate until they point out that Chernobyl was as bad as it was because it was built in a socialist command economy to their usual standards (see also Aeroflot, etc.).
gordon-benett -> you can add the Airbus jumbo elephant to that list.
meanwhile, boeing has focussed, quite rightly, on speed over size.
Speed and range. That’s the important thing. The A380 doesn’t have the range of the 787, or even the 777, which is a problem that also afflicted Concorde flights from Paris back in the day…
Cockney:
I’m not entirely convinced that “President Bush visit’s German’ would be an improvement on the grammar front.
In my defence I should point out I’m mildly dyslexic and it crops up every now and then, usually at the worst possible times, as you can see. I’m also not a multi-million-pound funded public broadcaster with standards to uphold… 😛
Of course, the BBC gets most of its editorial staff from adverts in the Grauniad, so in some ways the lack of spelling ability is understandable.
Let me see if I’ve got this straight, Mr. Reith. Terrorist groups have to have equal time with Israeli officials?
Go Israel Go! It has been abundantly proven that compromise and negotiation are worse than useless when dealing with Palestinians or any other kind of Arab.
Crush them the way we crushed Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan sixty odd years ago. *That’ll* solve the problem!
Bloody hell, ‘disillusioned’ with Germany, worried by ‘deranged’ Brits – who will he pick on next?
Cockney | 13.07.06 – 9:22 am | #
Let me broaden that… it’s not only deranged Brits and Germans I’m worried about. The Socialist State of Europe worries me… The output of the European state media is responsible for the brainwashing and the Beeb is one of main players when it comes to left-wing propaganda.
Here’s a poll from the Sky News website:
Is Israel’s attack on Lebanon justified?
Yes 66.41% (38,988 votes)
No 33.58% (19,714 votes)
Total: 58,702
Expires: 20 Jul 2006
Maybe there’s still hope and fewer people than I expected are deranged.
Al beeb and how it remains silent on who people really are;
Al Beeb is running a story on how the coppers who shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes may be prosecuted.
“Menezes police may face charges
An inquiry into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes has said prosecutors should consider charging three police officers with manslaughter.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5178062.stm
What did get my attention was how this case has been taken up by the guild of plumbers as an opportunity in which to protest about, well everything.
“Family spokesman Asad Rehman said there had been failures for which people had to take responsibility.”
Nice Brazilian name that AL Beeb “Asad Rehman”
So just who is that geezer, well he’s only George Galloway’s political assistant for the Islamic Respect party. You know the same George Galloway who went all weak at the knees when he prostrated himself before Saddam (Hey just because I said I had WMD didn’t mean I really had them)
The same Respect party which hates the UK
The same Respect party which hates the US
The same Respect party which hates Israel
It appears the axis of weasels promote their own as spokesman’s for their anti western diatribes…
Al Beeb and how it defends its master’s murderous nature by blaming the victim.
Acts of war raise risk to region
By Jeremy Bowen
BBC Middle East Editor
Israel has made a highly escalated response
It is not yet war between Israel and Lebanon, but these are acts of war.
Israel has described what happened on Wednesday, when two Israeli soldiers were captured, eight killed and two injured in a Hezbollah ambush, as an act of war.
It has retaliated with highly escalated acts of war, which are calculated to put a great deal of pressure on the civilian population.
As in Gaza – where an Israeli soldier is being held by Palestinian militant groups, including the military wing of Hamas – it is not just trying to get its people back, it is trying to deliver severe blows to Hamas and Hezbollah – trying to change the rules of the game.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5177346.stm
Mr Bowen was it really an ambush by Hezbollah or was it a full scale attack against Israel? I think you will find it was the latter and not the lesser sounding former.
Mr Bowen as somebody who comes across as very intelligent do you really think the Israeli response is to put a great deal of pressure on the Lebanese population or more rightly to put pressure on the Lebanese government to sort out the terrorists in their midst.
As for that comment Israel is trying to deliver serve blows to the two terrorist orgs by trying to change the rules.
Err Mr Bowen, don’t you think that if those two Terrorist groups hadn’t have launched attacks on Israel in the first place. Israel wouldn’t be hitting back now.
Changing the rules indeed. The only reason Hamas launched the initial attack is simply world donor pressure about how they defend the destruction of the state of Israel was starting to bite and lose them support amongst the Plebs. By striking Israel and sitting back for heavy response they know that ;
1) They regain the support of those who are demanding they recognise Israel
2) They earn the pity of the likes of the BBC who bend over backwards (literally) to promote their cause.
3) They hope that in light of the Israeli response the liberals of the world will pressure their leaders to resume paying for the destruction of Israel
Al Beeb dancing to the tune of its terrorist masters.
Blimey, did anyone just see Horizon? The one about radiation! It was brilliant and well factual and seemed to be saying that many of the “Nay to Nuclear” crowd may be harming the planet with their “radiophobia”.
WTF? On the Beeb?
Al Beeb and how it promotes a vision of Israeli oppression.
So Al beeb is burning the midnight oil by reporting on the current crisis in the Levant.
So how many people out there have noted how Al Beeb in the language it uses paints this image of a vast invasion of Lebanon by the IDF.Here let me help you;
“Israel launched an assault in southern Lebanon using planes, tanks and gunboats following the capture.”
“Roads and Hezbollah outposts were hit and two civilians killed as Israeli forces entered Lebanon, in their first incursion since 2000.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5173078.stm
Lebanon is dealing with an Israeli land invasion for the first time since 2000, when Israel ended a 22-year occupation of the south. It will be expecting punitive raids on its infrastructure closer to Beirut.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5177346.stm
And how about this pro terrorist quote from Al Beeb;
“Hezbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers on Wednesday, and killed eight when Israel sent troops into southern Lebanon on a rescue mission.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5175002.stm
So according to Al Beeb Israel is well on her way to Beruit.
Really?
Here is a map of how far the IDF have advanced into Lebanon courtesy of the BBC;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41884000/gif/_41884216_lebanon2_map416.gif
Hardly the deep thrust into Lebanon the BBC likes to promote.
Stupid Al BBC contradicts its own posts.
Horizon tonight was telling us that radiation isn’t as dangerous as we thought. What a coincidence that this was the subject so soon after the BBC’s paymasters, the government, decided to build some more nuclear power stations. Tonight’s program won’t have done the outrageous demand for a £180 licence fee any harm at all.
“Nice Brazilian name that AL Beeb “Asad Rehman
“So just who is that geezer, well he’s only George Galloway’s political assistant for the Islamic Respect party.”
By amazing coincidence, Rehman is also ‘chairman of the Newham monitoring project’. He appeared after a recent police raid on a Muslim family’s home in London.
Yes, that police raid.
He has appeared on Five Live a few times recently. His membership of the SWP , his role in Respect and his unashamed Islamist/Marxist opinions were not mentioned.
Paulette North was another ‘guest’ – she was invited onto Victoria Derbyshire’s phone-in to talk education and was described as a ‘concerned mother’.
Five Live did not mention that, amongst many other things, she was a Respect candidate in the 2005 general election.
When challenged, the BBC claimed that it did not mention their political connections because they were invited onto the BBC in a ‘different capacity’ (e.g. spokesman for the de Menezes family; a concerned mother; a life-long, die-hard football fan who has been going to Highbury to watch her beloved Fulham for 40 years).
He is a political activist. She is a political activist. Their views are important and their voices should be heard. But if, for instance, Polly Toynbee comes on to the BBC to talk about the evils of grammar schools, it is only fair to inform the listener than she failed her 11+ so we know where she is coming from. 🙂
Full disclosure please, BBC. Ta.
“What a coincidence that this was the subject so soon after the BBC’s paymasters, the government, decided to build some more nuclear power stations”
well spotted.
how bereft of ideas this Blairism is – where is the call to arms to develop nuke fusion tech?
as i said, bereft of ideas – and dependent on tech that is over 50 years old.
isambard kingdom brunel will be turning in his grave.
disillusioned-German,
you are right, Europe is sinking and that is much thanks to its media.
The BBC is surely at the forefront.Funny enough the mostly leftist Israeli media has become disillusioned . A change can be detected. The feel betrayed by their Arab friends
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I thought I heard it all, but no, the BBC always find a lower level to sink to.
Today R4 6:30 news summary main point on the war in Israel-Lebanon the only item mentioned is Israel’s attack on Lebanon. Having followed the Israeli news for two days, I just could not believe my ears. No mention of the near 100 katyusha over all north Israel, not mention of close to a million people spending the night in bombshelters ( life came to a still in this vibrant area especially now during th summer holiday), no mention of the 200 casualties. This is Orwell. Stalin would have loved to employ the BBC, such consistent line. `
Is it archduke who’s collecting images of Arabs using the Nazi salute?
Anyhow, here’s a couple of them:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/07/13/supportforfascists_watch.php
From Adloyada:
on the evening of the Mumbai bombings, I was listening to the coverage on BBC Radio 4 News. They were speculating about who could be responsible, and they suggested that it was masterminded by local mafia, criminal gangs. There was not even a suggestion of radical Islamist terror groups, and Al Qaeda, despite the obvious modus operandi links. The BBC News web site of that day and the next (since updated) carried only that suggestion. Only yesterday did they begin to suggest a possible Al Qaeda connection. The US authorities are much clearer in their suspicions:
In Washington, a US official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the events were still unfolding said the coordination of Tuesday’s attacks and the targeting of trains at peak travel times match the modus operandi of two Islamic groups active in India during the last several years: Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad. The US government has designated both terrorist organisations and considers them affiliates of al-Qaeda.
And so to the continuing stories of the Hamas-launched attacks on Israeli, resulting in the kidnap of Corporal Gilad Shalit, and the Hezbollah attack which resulted in two further kidnappings of Israeli soldiers, as well as eight deaths of Israeli soldiers.
To read or listen to the BBC coverage, you could get the clear impression that Israel has initiated the fighting and continues to do so. On this morning’s BBC Radio Today programme, the interviewer referred to Corporal Shalit as having been “captured in Gaza”, when in fact he was abducted from Israeli territory by Hamas-linked terrorists who tunneled their way through from Gaza.
The BBC News web page report for today presents the fighting on the Lebanese Israeli border as if it was the result of an Israeli-initiated offensive, during which two Israeli soldiers were captured, and does not mention that this happened as the result of a Hezbollah raid into Israeli territory.
read the rest here
http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2006/07/of_course_you_r.html
“Israel is also continuing a separate offensive in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli soldier was captured there last month.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5178492.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 July 2006, 22:39 GMT 23:39 UK
Spot the factual error! Spot the subtle but significant difference to the context of the story the error makes. I’ve sent them an email.
Al Beeb and how it lies for its masters;
Al Beebs heroes “The Taliban” get their arses kicked yet again when they attack yet another Village.
How does AL Beeb report the story;
“Many die’ in new Afghan fighting”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5175276.stm
So that headline gives the impression of losses on both sides.
So lets read on shall we;
“At least 19 suspected Taleban militants have been killed in clashes in southern Afghanistan, officials say.”
Hang on the people who launched an attack on the sick, lame and lazy lost 19 of their BBC supporters fan base.
So how does AL Beeb finish off on this story;
“Coalition losses have been mounting, despite regular strikes against suspected militants.”
What coalition is that AL Beeb? The Axis of Weasels coalition .
Deppressing dhimmitude atitude on 5 live today.
Michael Grade replying to a Muslim caller who was complaining of under-representation (of Muslims)on the BBC promised that they were bending over backwards to correct the ‘problem’.
Minorities are minorities right?
Pounce:
“….despite regular strikes against suspected militants”
That’ll be the ones with the suspected AK’s shooting towards the coalition forces from behind the kids.
There’s some pretty nasty stuff on the Guardian comments section. I’ve never understood why non-Jewish Brits hate Jews/Israel so much? Some of the comments are only slightly off gassing all Jews (obviously they use Zionist so as not to be labelled anti-Semites). Can anyone explain this foam-at-the-mouth hatred?
Melanie Phillips takes the BBC to task in her latest post:
Syria and Iran wage war on Israel
[…]
… the reaction of the British and western media and chattering classes to Israel’s current behaviour is beyond farce. So blinded are they by their fixation that Israel is the aggressor and regional bully that even when Israel is plainly attacked in acts of unprovoked aggression they still blame Israel for causing the crisis.
The BBC, as ever, has been playing a sickening role in this propaganda. On the World Service, it denied the fact that Israeli soldiers had been kidnapped on Israel’s own soil, calling the kidnapping of Cpl Shalit a ‘capture in (sic) Gaza’ and the kidnap of the two soldiers in the north of Israel a capture in ‘south Lebanon’.
It has repeatedly presented the Israelis as the aggressors. BBC News Online described Israel’s actions as a ‘major offensive’. On the Today programme this morning (0810) it blamed Israel for ‘upping the ante’. The assumption is — fantastically —that it is Israel, rather than Iran, which is the danger to peace. Israel, it seems, must therefore not be allowed to defend itself when rockets are fired at its towns and cities. When it does so it is called ‘collective punishment’ or a ‘disproportionate response’ involving ‘massive collateral damage’, as was said on BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze last night.
[…]
pete:
Horizon tonight was telling us that radiation isn’t as dangerous as we thought. What a coincidence that this was the subject so soon after the BBC’s paymasters, the government, decided to build some more nuclear power stations.
Well if you are 1 of the 2 people who think that the BBC is Blairite, it is more sinister than a coincidence.
Filming took place in the Ukraine in January. So taking into account programme planning, Blair must have tipped the wink almost a year before he made any public utterance on nuclear power.
I was just interested if anyone on this blog has done any research into the posters on the BBC HYS. I did a quick one and found that anyone who is anti-israeli or anti-us seems to get more postings accepted than those who support these countries. Here is an example.
Postings from anti-us brigade:
Username: iainyes
Name: Ian Yes
Registered: 12/02/06
Total Posts: 467
Username: StevenJMUK
Name: Steven Martin
Registered: 17/10/05
Total Posts: 119
Username: SternG
Pro-US
Name: Greg S
Registered: 28/10/05
Total Posts: 10
Username: alexander48
Name: Michael Wright
Registered: 07/01/06
Total Posts: 3
I know this isn’t very scientific as some people may try and post comments more often – but it is interesting that in the case of Ian Yes he seems to get a lot of posts accepted.
Just for the record None of my comments have ever been accepted