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Jeremy Bowen doesn’t even pretend to be unbiased. He is utterly, utterly biased.
Who is more stupid, Beeboid presenters or Govt Ministers?
A difficult one – on PM we have Peter Hain providing an anti-racist diatribe with regard to Big Brother, and then informs us that he has not seen the relevant excerpts, has never watched Big Brother, and never intends to. Thanks Peter for that informed opinion. Then Eddie “I’m so good at my job” Mair has a go at Hain along the lines of “Why are you coming on here talking about this when there are so many more important things?” Hain points out that he was asked on by the BBC to comment on this particularv story. Also PM devoted at least 15 min to nthis non-event of a story. They deserve each other.
Just saw the videos… Good G-d Almighty! Did 700,000 British soldiers die saving Britain from Hitler for THIS?
England! Scotland! Wales! WAKE UP AND SAVE YOURSELVES! If you want to survive, DEPORT THESE PEOPLE NOW! And don’t tell me you can’t because of your sacred institutions of law and due process… SURVIVAL is the highest and the first of all laws. You’re at WAR, folks, whether you want to believe it or not. WAKE UP!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque#comments
I heard an interview on 5live interviewing someone from the Indian Embassy – can’t remember who. The interviewer asked him if there was any racism in India and he said that racism did not exist in India. And I suppose that he is right because racism does not apply between Asians only between white and ethnic minorities.
What a God send this Big Brother storm in a tea cup has been for both media and Government. Now both can engage in deflection and get the public’s attention away from all that nasty business about Mosques preaching sedition.
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2154795.ece
no bbc bias but a great read,question and answers from martin amis,found it on stephen pollard’s site.
The phrase “horrorism”, which you invented to describe 9/11, is unintentionally hilarious. Have you got any more? JONATHAN BROOKS, by email
martin amis.
Yes, I have. Here’s a good one (though I can hardly claim it as my own): the phrase is “f**k off”.
read it all.
Last night Newsnight had a special on the Union and the issue of possible Scottish indedependence. What struck me as amusing was when some participants complained that they did not have an independent (national) broadcaster but instead had to experience everything through London, English, BBC filter(s). The obvious inference I drew was that its not just the Scots but all of us who suffer from the BBC filter and we should
all able to cast it off.
unbelievable. the big brother story is the SECOND lead story on the ten o clock news tonight.
and still no follow up on “undercover mosque”. now i’m not doing moral equivalence here – that indian girl must be going through hell , and whats happening to her is disgusting – but , hello? ZERO follow up on the “kuffar filth” speakers in so called “moderate” mosques???
” will | 17.01.07 – 7:36 pm |”
thanks for pointing that out mate. i was beginning to think that the entire uk media had lost its balls.
“Nemesis | Homepage | 17.01.07 – 6:53 pm |”
thats a damn good post Nemesis, and pretty much sums up what i’m feeling as well. i wonder how many other folks in the uk are as utterly perplexed as we are with the media blackout on this.
Celebrity Big Brother, racism, and India’s abject hypocrisy
Al-BBC carries this report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6272585.stm on the alleged bullying and abuse of Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty.
I say ‘alleged’ because I don’t watch this tosh myself – it does sound though as if there has been some pretty spiteful bitching at her.
The BBC’s report quotes one Anand Sharma, India’s junior minister for external affairs, as having said: “…Racism has no place in civilised society.”
I couldn’t agree more. However, I am not sure how to take Sharma’s remark. Is he saying that there’s no racism in India, or that India’s is not a civilised society? I ask because the government of India has many overtly racist employment and immigration policies.
For instance, in states like Tamil Nadu, around 69% of government jobs are allocated on the basis of race.
The PIO programme (http://www.indianembassy.org/policy/PIO/Introduction_PIO.html) extends rights to brown-skinned people wanting to work, live or invest in India. It does not do so to Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, or of course whites who might be of Indian origin: Portuguese who remained in Portuguese Goa till 1967-odd, for example.
It is, in short, an explicitly race-based test of who is allowed to enter India, which nobody who reported the hypocrite Sharma’s remarks has picked up on.
So in suggesting that “civilised societies” don’t have racism, either he isn’t actually talking about India, or he’s lying, or he’s stupid. Or all of the above: always a strong possibility where socialists are concerned.
Al-BBC is not alone in failing to pick on this obvious and obnoxious pattern of state racism in India. It’s just that, when somebody else does it, I can stop buying their lousy product.
Let dark-skinned racists off the hook. It’s what we do.
i might have figured it out. and its a story in itself if anyone blows the whistle on it…
dispatches docu was broadcast in the same week as the current terror trial.
wall to wall coverage of “undercover mosque” could prejudice the outcome of that trial.
reasonable guess? no?
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Netherlands Has Up To 200 Jihad Websites
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HILVERSUM, 17/01/07 – One hundred to 200 Dutch radical-Islamic websites are presently active. Up to the present, very little action has been taken against them, according to the National Coordinator for Counterterrorism (NCTb) Tjibbe Joustra.
More
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/170107_1.htm
By chance, I put the SUBTITLES on during BBC 2’s ‘NEWSNIGHT’ programme a few minutes ago.
In a discussion of Middle East strategy, when the phrase ” Straits of Hormuz” was spoken, it was written in Subtitles as ” Straits of WHORE MUSE”.
I kid you not.
” the_camp_commandant | 17.01.07 – 11:11 pm | ”
to be honest, and maybe i’m being dumb, but i read through that page and all i saw was a well thought out, and sensible immigration policy.
in fact, there’s a lot to commend it – like this bit:
“The Central Government may by order, cancel the PIO Card, if it is satisfied that the PIO Card holder has shown himself by act or speech to be disaffected towards the Constitution of India and other laws of India”
so that sorts out the islamist hate preachers so. why cant we have a bit of that?
Not much “Global Warming” in Oklahoma
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/us/011507winterusstorm/im:/070116/480/oktul10301162301
What really annoys me about this BB thing is how the media is trying to make it an international incidnet. They say that even the Prime Minister has stepped in – absolute tosh – someone in the media asked him about it he didn’t step in at all. Then they are interviewing Indian High Commisioner and anyone who will make the “story” a big event. None of these people have seen it.
And why should they its the dregs of so-called modern entertainment. Brought out by left wing media types who are trying to belittle this country. I fear that they are succeeding.
I wonder how many of those thousands of complaints were actually about the programme itself rather than this alledged racist incident?
It is dumbed down cheap television like this that just sums up this sick country. Big events are trivialised yet incidents like this which are totally meaningless are given headlines.
Archduke: maybe so, but if the UK introduced it, what do you think al-BBC would have to say? Once again, for liberals, whether something is racist or not depends on the race of the racist.
Sean: amusing Amis interview. The best reply was this one:-
“It is quite an achievement. People of liberal sympathies, stupefied by relativism, have become the apologists for a creedal wave that is racist, misogynist, homophobic, imperialist, and genocidal. To put it another way, they are up the arse of those that want them dead.
indeed jon – indeed. saddens me no end. and the hindus and sikhs are our BIGGEST allies in the war on islamism.
there is no need to stir the shit just because of some chav scum.
i watched a bit of it tonight, and to be honest – it came across as more a class based thing than out right racism. the utter bile and verbal abuse directed at that indian girl by this Jade chav was horrific (almost as bad as watching your parents argue – yeah, THAT bad)… but it wasnt racist. that indian girl is classy out and ALL woman. i would bet that you’ll be seeing posters of her up in white english male teenagers rooms up and down the country in the next few weeks.
indeed camp_commandment – and in any case, we wouldnt be able to introduce such a law. brussels would overrule it.
aint it refreshing to read an immigration policy completely written and inforced by an elected government?
i thought so, when reading that.
(and we all know why they want to keep the pakistanis and bangladeshis out of india)
archduke – I must admit I watched it once to see what all the fuss was about – but I found that watching paint dry was much more entertaining.
you must have missed the jade tirade against the indian girl. like watching a car crash with your kids in the car – it was THAT uncomfortable. i really dont understand this “reality” shit, when its clearly deriving pleasure from watching people tear each other apart.
rather like the Romans and their colliseum. maybe thats what the indians are getting pissed off with – they do have a rather big respect for “english” civilisation and culture. and this just shows the world that we’re nothing but pond life.
not good.not good at all.
“they do have a rather big respect for “english” civilisation and culture” – well maybe thats it to alienate those would be anglophiles – they’ve already turned the Yanks against us.
completely OT , but i thought i’d like to share this one with fellow b-bbcers.
we’re often told by beeboid propagandists how the bbc is an “institution” that “educates” us plebs and how wonderful it is.
well, a lot of posters have complained in the past about their woeful science and tech coverage.
here’s a good contrast to their coverage :
http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly
its “FLOSS weekly” , a podcast from the u.s. that interviews the big names in open source tech. i’ve been listening to this over the past week, and it really is good stuff , if you are into tech or open source in general. the PHP (Rasmus Lerdorf) interview is incredible and manages to pack a ton of information into 60 minutes. pure tech brainfood… well worth checking out.
(and you dont have to pay a license fee to get it…)
if you dont have a podcast aggregator here’s a few direct mp3 links:
PHP creator interview:
[audio src="http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly/20345/d20345.mp3" /]
Guido van Rossum, creator of Python:
[audio src="http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly/20349/d20348.mp3" /]
Jimmy Wales, creator of wikipedia:
[audio src="http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly/20361/d20361.mp3" /]
Miguel de Icaza, Gnome and Mono
[audio src="http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly/20372/d20372.mp3" /]
Ben Goodger – Mr Firefox
[audio src="http://www.digg.com/podcasts/FLOSS_Weekly/20381/d20380.mp3" /]
“the bbc – the above is what we ignore”
“they’ve already turned the Yanks against us.
Jon | 17.01.07 – 11:39 pm | ”
he he. the yanks have always been against the brits. hello suez? hello 1776?
this “special relationship” stuff just makes me laugh. sure, there is strong anglophile BUSINESS relationshiips… and long may that continue. but as for politics.. jeez. thats a minefield.
Uhum, a freind, who was watching big brother tonight is sure he heard the said actress call Jade “white trash”.
Did he mis-here?
Was this racist abuse?
Can we master the “christmas tree” effect to get 20,000 complaints to OFCOM.
Will Peter (“I never go to Woolworths”) Hain denounce this?
Maybe I was right that the complaints are about the stupid programme and not alledged racism.
“Added: Tuesday, 16 January, 2007, 12:00 GMT 12:00 UK
Ofcom needs to investigate the Channel 4 Directors to see which of them should be certified for broadcasting such drivel as CBB.
James Price, United Kingdom
Recommended by 491 people ”
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=5271&edition=1&ttl=20070118002919&#paginator
The BBC and its pro Islamic terorist stance
When ever you hear the BBC use the term ‘Friendly fire’ what impression do you form in your mind;
That a ‘Blue on Blue’ incident has transpired. (Mil speak for Friendly fire)
That the military have f*** up yet again
That our forces have scored an own goal.
So with the above in mind I was somewhat taken aback by how the BBC captioned a thumbnail of a story in which a Muslim convert gave evidence against one of the Islamic terrorist plotters whom he went to school with.
Friendly fire?
A former friend of two 21 July suspects gives evidence
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9849/image12qq9.jpg
I wonder if the reason the BBC refer to this public minded citizen as ‘Friendly fire’ is simply because not only did he pick up the phone and inform the police he knew one of these terrorists but he is speaking out against him.. Yup he must be bad.
But I must give credit to one of these terrorists for saying this;
“Mr Bentley also said that Mr Yahya made it clear he did not trust the British media to report world affairs accurately.”
Seems he has the BBC to a tee, pity its from the wrong side of the divide.
” tom atkins | 18.01.07 – 12:25 am |”
even i would call her white trash – and i’m “white”
cant believe i’m actually wasteing bandwidth on such morons.
oops – not you tom. not saying you are a moron. referring to “jade” in case my statement above is mis-read.
I heard Paxo say this evening that the Big Brother Kitchen “was not an Oxford common room”, and he was quite unkind towards those “three white girls”.
Lets face it the BBC has attempted within all its soaps/ dramas, to create an ideal-type. Even the depiction of white working class culture (Eastenders) is staged. They don’t like CHAV (Council house with attitude) views on race and diversity! The agenda of the BBC is so driven by a liberal metropolitan elite, that they have forgotten what the real world is like.
The attention given to BB is not so much a diversionary tactic from the Dispatches prog., but a genuine revulsion that what “they” all take for granted at the BBC is not out there in reality. A reality show has touched a raw nerve at the Beeb!
Compare and contrast the work of two journalists reporting on UN affairs…
Claudia Rossett :
In what surely qualifies as the single-most-promising United Nations reform effort to date, federal prosecutors in New York, jointly with the New York District Attorney, have just announced the indictment of the man who ran the U.N.’s former Oil-for-Food program: Benon Sevan. Charged with conspiring to commit fraud and taking close to $160,000 in bribes related to Oil-for-Food deals, Sevan, if convicted, could face a prison sentence of up to 50 years. The indictment is, in its way, a neat retort to attempts by Sevan’s old boss, former Secretary-General Kofi Annan, to downplay the landmark Oil-for-Food scam in terms of “If there was a scandal.”
Sevan, who denies any wrongdoing, was of course nowhere near the federal courtroom when the indictment was unsealed. It’s been almost two years since he slipped out of New York and returned to his native Cyprus, while Annan’s spokesman was busy telling the press that this prime Oil-for-Food suspect was under control. In Cyprus, Sevan would be safe from U.S. extradition, and it appears that’s where he is now. After the indictment was announced, on Tuesday, I called his Cyprus cell phone. Sevan answered, saying he couldn’t talk, because “I am in traffic, driving.” When I called back later, he said, “Talk to my lawyer, please” — and hung up the phone.
So begins the next chapter in this saga spawned by the U.N.’s lucrative and corrupt collaboration with one of the world’s worst tyrants, the late Saddam Hussein. Advertised as a U.N.-run relief program for Saddam’s U.N.-sanctioned Iraq, the 1996-2003 Oil-for-Food program devolved into a worldwide extravaganza of kickbacks, smuggling, and bribes, fortifying Saddam with more than $17 billion in illicit funds, according to Senate investigators.
The BBC’s UN correspondent Laura Trevelyan:
Yours truly has been roped in to sing a farewell ditty to Kofi Annan, to the tune of Arrivederci Roma.
It goes something like this:
Arrivederci Kofi, goodbye goodbye New York, city of a million resolutions, city of a thousand competing solutions, where I found a world of many faces, far from home.
Let us hope he likes it.
“A reality show has touched a raw nerve at the Beeb!
Anonymous | 18.01.07 – 1:09 am | # ”
hence the wall to wall coverage.
but the average working class white brit was scared shitless by the “undercover mosque” story – so thats not worthy of comment.
you’ve raised an interesting point anon.
come to think of it – NOT commenting on it is giving the bnp acres of room to breathe.
i think i can safely say that the racist Bnp = 1, bbc = 0
odd how the liberal chatterati play into the hands of them,and they probably dont even notice they are doing so…
I wonder why BBC didn’t make a bigger fuss about the following:
[Danielle] Lloyd…proved her footballer’s wife credentials recently on BBC quiz show Test The Nation.
When asked “Who was Winston Churchill: a rapper, US President-the PM or King?”, Lloyd answered: “Wasn’t he the first black president of America? There’s a statue of him near me – that’s black.”
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/celebritybigbrother/article-23380448-details/Pass+the+sick+bag/article.do
In other news:
Today, West Midlands Police were unable to say if they would investigate or take any action [about the Green Lane mosque], more than 24 hours after being asked by the Birmingham Mail.
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/mail/news/tm_headline=&method=full&objectid=18490209&siteid=50002-name_page.html
What an absolute joke.
actually , as a libertarian, i disagree with the “wanting the police to take action”… i’d rather the 4th estate (i.e. the msm) covered this more so that moderate muslims , who just want to live in peace away from the hellholes of saudi arabia and such like, can be alerted to such stuff and deal with it.
there are rather a lot of them, and its idiotic to think that they are ALL jihad nutters. we are a free country – in theory – and therefore, any kind of belief should be expressed. that is the nature of a free society. BUT – a free society depends on a 4th estate (the press) keeping an eye on things.
in that regard, the bbc has utterly failed this week and by hiding stuff only furthered the cause of the BNP – and also, furthered the cause of their enemies, the Islamists.
true freedom exposes both – brushing things under the carpet is what the Stalinists used to do. and sadly, it has come to pass – this is what is happening in the UK in 2007.
Gordon Brown has extended government control over the BBC by breaking a 20-year agreement linking the licence fee with inflation, it will emerge today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WAUUAO3RQGXHHQFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/01/18/nbrown18.xml
BBC must regain focus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/01/18/dl1802.xml
BBC and self-pity
BBC licence fee ‘to rise by 3%’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6273347.stm
The BBC’s business editor, Robert Peston, said the corporation wanted to be able to borrow up to £400m – double what it is currently allowed to do.
He exclusively revealed that Ms Jowell argued the BBC’s case over tense negotiations during the past 24 hours, but the Treasury described the bid as “far too much”.
“At one stage, she threatened to postpone Thursday’s planned parliamentary announcement of a new licence fee settlement,” he said.
Total arrogance from the BBC and its allies as usual.
I can’t wait until all these ‘dinner party socialists’ get shipped out to Salford. It’s full of “scruffy Herberts from council estates”. Unlucky John Reith, Different Anon et al.
Can’t get your abortion quick enough? Contact the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/6271549.stm
after seeing those ultrasound photos of triplets kissing each other in the womb, i’m not so sure. maybe being raped, by a relative,and the abortion is done within a week… thats about it.beyond that, i disagree.
found it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries/index.html?in_gallery_id=9544&in_image_id=318167&in_page_id=1055
Archduke
The way Europeans promote abortion, contraception, homosexuality it a wonder there are any of us left.
Indeed, soon there may not be
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1685406/posts
as Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote in 1870, “Nature has made up her mind that what cannot defend itself shall not be defended.”
The Today programme is in overdrive this morning:
“Right-wing”
“Thatcherite”
“rolling eyed”
“Right-wing”
“Right wing”
“Right wing”
Just some of the insults levelled at anyone with a moderately conservative view on the programme this morning.
perhaps the Beeboids are just sore because their gravy train does not contain as much gravy as they wanted.
archduke | 18.01.07 – 1:50 am
actually , as a libertarian, i disagree with the “wanting the police to take action”… i’d rather the 4th estate (i.e. the msm) covered this more so that moderate Muslims , who just want to live in peace away from the hellholes of saudi arabia and such like, can be alerted to such stuff and deal with it.
I doubt whether this rare, unsighted specimen we call the ‘moderate’ Muslim needs the MSM to alert him/her about the hate speech emanating from the mosques. He/she only needs to enter the mosques or be exposed in a number of other ways to the hatred of the ‘tiny minority’ of radical Muslims. Until I see any real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that the ‘rift’ between ‘moderate’ and radical Islam is an imaginary construct perpetuated by Muslims and by the MSM (with the BBC in the lead) to lull us into a false sense of security as to the real nature and aims of Islam.
The link provided by Nom de guerre, 18.01.07 – 1:42 am, is more evidence of yet another attempt to portray Muslims as the victims here, with the usual hand-wringing headline, also typical of the BBC:
Muslim leaders fear a backlash
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/mail/news/tm_headline=&method=full&objectid=18490209&siteid=50002-name_page.html
Where is the genuine disgust from ‘moderate’ Muslims over the hate speech and Islamic terror carried out in their name? Any sightings of this rare phenomenon?
abandon -> notice how the abolition of the license fee was labelled “libertarian”?
beats me how abolishing a regressive tax that is state imposed could be labelled that way – i would just call it natural justice, irrespective of any ideology.
08:55
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/
not up at the moment, but might be later on this morning.
” Bryan | 18.01.07 – 9:23 am |”
err bryan – it was a muslim that did the hidden camera work for Dispatches.
err bryan – it was a muslim that did the hidden camera work for Dispatches.
Great! That’s exactly the kind of sighting I was talking about.
Now let’s see more of it.
I was anonymous.
“Where is the genuine disgust from ‘moderate’ Muslims over the hate speech and Islamic terror carried out in their name? Any sightings of this rare phenomenon?
Bryan | 18.01.07 – 9:23 am | ”
where was the anger and disgust and mass demonstrations by English protestants when Ulster protestants were killing catholics in belfast in 1969/70?
the argument kind of falls flat on its face because we all understand the differences in the various strands of protestantism. a similar kind of argument would be “why dont christians speak out about what a KKK klansman said last week about wanting to kill all black people?”
of course, you and i know that doing so only gives KKK idiots airtime – that we are actually treating such idiots seriously. most people, rightly. just ignore such idiocy and dont give it the time of day in their lives.
the thing is – the msm (and the government) perpetuates the myth of the “muslim community”. there is no such thing. its as ridiculous as talking about the “christian community” in ulster.
saying “muslim community” just diverts us all away from the real source of uk based islamic radicalism – and its just two countries – saudi arabia and pakistan.