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324 Responses to Open thread – for comments of general Biased BBC interest:

  1. will says:

    C’mon chaps the revolution has started.

    A woman has received minor injuries in a “small” explosion at an office building in central London.
    BBC Home Affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said what was thought to be a letter bomb was found at the Capita building in Victoria Street, Victoria.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6331427.stm

    (The BBC article doesn’t link Capita to the TV licence)

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  2. Martin Belam says:

    >> BBC plans to lock viewers into Microsoft monopoly

    Anonanon, one of the conditions of the BBC Trust approval of the proposed iPlayer was the exact opposite – to have Apple and Linux versions available lwithin a set timeframe – although frankly how they will find a DRM solution for Linux that will keep both PACT and the open source movement happy should be an entertaining one to watch develop 🙂

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  3. Bob says:

    Do you know that BBC is currently “OUTSOURCED” to South Asia i.e India/Pakistan/Bangaldesh. Recently BBC staff protested the move but poor guys they are losing their jobs.

    But, the good news is BBC will be no longer BRITSH .. name changed to IBC or PBC or WBC.

    It’s not a surprise — the “Day in Pictures” category [which has the caption – Most striking pictures of the WORLD] is mostly filled with pictures of that region.

    Today I saw these on BBC’s front page:

    1. Caste poll in India
    2. How women get arranged marriages (India)
    3. Poverty in India – Minister’s statement
    4. Coruption in India
    etc…

    Yesterday:

    Coverage on Bangaldesh muslim prayers (In Pictures)

    If you have noticed “Day in Pictures” regularly , you’ll see what I mean

    Recently:

    More than 100 pages dedicated for Shilpa Shitty worship although she was a racist herself as Mike had shown
    http://blackbritain.co.uk/columnists/details.aspx?i=2144318291&c=Race&h=Don%e2%80%99t+shed+tears+for+high+caste+Shilpa+Shetty+as+Afrikans+and+untouchables+are+the+real+victims+of+racism
    .

    BBC is no longer British – It is Indian or Pakistani (No Iam not a racist for saying so) ha ha..

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  4. Ashley Pomeroy says:

    There’s an article about a new curriculum on the front page today:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6330961.stm

    “Curriculum for ‘changing society’

    An updated secondary school curriculum, offering skills and languages relevant to modern learners, has been announced.”

    That’s not an opinion. It’s a statement. The report goes on to mention that Meera Syal is on a list of approved writers, and the moment I read that I did a text search for “Zep” because I knew instinctively that Benjamin Zephaniah was also on the list. And I was right, he is mentioned near the bottom. Benjamin Zephaniah is a professional interview guest. I was genuinely surprised that Ben Elton is not mentioned in the article. It must be a nice earner, being on this list. It’s a big circle of friends helping each other.

    I wonder what happens when one writer is dropped from the list, and another is put in his or her place? Some angry phone calls and cancelled dinner dates, I wager.

    Joseph Conrad is no longer an approved writer, and I can imagine why. Although I have not read Nostromo, I bet that it does not openly and frequently condemn the exploitation of native cultures and manpower. Then again, perhaps Conrad’s prose is turgid.

    “The QCA’s curriculum director, Mick Waters, writing for the BBC News website, highlighted the need for the curriculum to promote citizenship skills as “an ability to tolerate difference” and “the capacity to cope with change”.”

    And so forth. The article is basically a puff piece written to tie in with Mick Waters’s own article, which is published here:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6325535.stm

    It is tedious, but it has given birth to three other news articles – the one I mention above, and stories about Meera Syal’s inclusion on the list, and the suggestion that children learn Mandarin – which must have been gratifying for the BBC’s writers.

    I reckon that, fifteen years from now, British children will not know any more about Meera Syal or Mandarin than they do already. You could probably write volumes about the BBC’s tie-ins with education, because they’re both public bodies and there is a stereotype that fits both BBC employees and teachers.

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  5. GCooper says:

    Ashley Pomeroy writes:

    “…they’re both public bodies and there is a stereotype that fits both BBC employees and teachers.”

    There certainly is. Indeed, between the two groups they probably constitute two thirds of the Grauniad’s cicurlatnio.

    The rubbish you quote from Nick Waters was priceless – coming, as it does, when even some of the Left’s biggest cheerleaders are starting to realise what a ghastly mistake “multiclturalism” has been.

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  6. zboy says:

    The slave trade is to be on the “must be studied” list for schools it seems. I wonder if that will include the lucrative trade in white europeans by N African muslim slavers?

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  7. will says:

    Newsnight tonight

    Is the Jewish establishment in Britain too in hock to Israel? That is
    what a new organisation “Independent Jewish Voices” claim – and they
    have the backing of some prominent members of the community including
    Mike Leigh, Harold Pinter, Stephen Fry and Susi Orbach.

    Community, what community? I’d be surprised if these people live in a Jewish community, attend synogogue other solely Jewish gatherings. Does the Newsnight producer just mean that these people are Jews?

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  8. Alan says:

    Following on from the Slough teacher who has been sacked for teaching the truth about Islamic suicide-bombers (a BBC report), which was discussed on this site over the weekend, and on Jihadwatch/dhimmiwatch, there are two
    related stories reported in today’s ‘Daily Mail’:

    1.) “Pupils aged five ‘poisoned’ at Islamic school that teaches hate”;

    ( links to other related stores here).

    2.) “14-year-olds studying al Qaeda propaganda at school”.

    There is no public outcry over these developments in UK ‘education’ system. Is this now the dhimmitude normalcy? Read full reports at:
    http://www.mailonline.co.uk

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  9. Alan says:

    As a counter to Al Beeb’s overwhelmingly sympathetic view of the Muslim victimhood in Birmingham,and its virtual non-reporting of the views of the majority of people in that city on the 9 arrests, here are three reports of today, which provide a corrective take to al Beeb’s on Islamism:

    1.) the Archbishop of York’s article in today’s ‘Daily Mail’:
    “Muslim extremists no better than criminals.”
    http://www.mailonline.co.uk

    2.) Excellent critique of a Mr. Murtad Ahmed’s article in ‘The Times’:
    “How Moderate Muslims Should Not Get Angry With Their Extremist Brothers”
    http://www.civitas.org.uk/ (5 Feb).

    3.)newish website of Center for the Study of Political Islam, at:
    http://www.cspipublishing.com/
    See excellent interview with founder at:
    “The Study of Political Islam”
    http://www.frontpagemagazine.com (5 Feb).

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  10. archonix says:

    Here’s one: has Reith retired? I’ve not seen him all week!

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  11. mick in the uk says:

    Alan :

    The ITV evening news lead with “Archbishop attacks Muslim Extremists”

    This was shortly after the BBC story…””Archbishop attacks Police”

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  12. archduke says:

    bbc 2 , 9pm this evening:
    “Drama-documentary series of spy thrillers that capture key moments in the nuclear race. Hidden in the desert in the Middle East is a nuclear bomb factory.”

    ooh – middle east. hidden nuke factory? might be something to do with Iran and its nuke program perhaps?

    errr… no

    “The West helped build it and it belongs to Israel. One man tried to expose the truth, but he was up against one of the most feared intelligence services in the world and fell victim to the ultimate honey trap.”

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  13. Jon says:

    Will this be the “set book” for teachers when they start teaching kids about the slave trade?

    The Slave Trade
    by Jeremy Black

    “The slave trade was vile. Everybody can agree on that. But was it unambiguously the fault of the Western powers of the time? Was it something for which we should today apologize? The Anglican Church seems to think so, and so do elements of the British government. Does the modern mania for apology and breast-beating, however, not perhaps lead to an oversimplification of matters? In this timely book, published to mark 200 years since Britain took the historic step of abolishing the slave trade, Professor Black grasps the nettle of political correctness. He deftly points out the contradictions and ambiguities of the slave trade: the inconvenient fact that the Arab world played at least as large a part in the slave trade as any Western power, for instance; or the uncomfortable truth that African chieftains were all too willing to sell other Africans to Western and Arab slave dealers. In the light of this, what are we to make of allegations that ‘racism’ lay at the heart of the slave trade? To whom should the West apologize? Professor Black underlines the degree to which both slavery and the slave trade fulfilled labour requirements in a world in which labour was frequently coerced. Rather than thinking of slavery as uniquely evil, he points out the need to consider it alongside other systems of labour control, such as serfdom. In this fascinating volume, we trace the evolution of the slave trade through the centuries, pausing to examine some of the shifting variables: How did the supply of slaves change as the various cash crops rose or declined in importance? What happened when European manufactured goods entered the African marketplace? Though slim, this is a thought-provoking and fearless book by one of the UK’s leading historians. Dealing as it does with slavery around the world, it deserves to be widely read both in Britain and abroad.”

    http://www.politicos.co.uk/books/167214.htm?ginPtrCode=10410&identifier=

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  14. Ashley Pomeroy says:

    “The slave trade is to be on the “must be studied” list for schools it seems.”

    It’s all about fashion, and that’s what has made me so jaded. Today slavery is the height of fashion; slavery, and euthanasia. A few years ago female genital mutilation was the hot topic of the day. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

    I would like to ask a genuine liberal/left-wing person: which is better, Peter Tatchell (who used to be fashionable) or Islam (which is now very fashionable)? I imagine that person’s head would explode or he would have a nervous breakdown.

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  15. will says:

    Re Archbishop of York’s statements. I did not see his interview on ITN, but the reports at both ITV.com & BBC Ceefax appear to have no justification in linking the Birmingham arrests into the Archbish’s “police state” comments – he appeared to be addressing extending the 28 day detention to 90 days, not commenting on a particular case.

    http://www.itv.com/news/britain_ae43f9f81e0e3d34e1833bf85d3e9dd4.html

    He said the UK is close to becoming a police state in the wake of the arrest of suspected terrorists in Birmingham.

    He said: “If you detain people, you must have good enough reason for detaining them and have a chance for there being a successful prosecution. (The Home Secretary) has not produced the evidence that shows that in 90 days you’re capable of getting somebody prosecuted.

    AND

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6329815.stm

    In an interview with ITV’s Evening News, Britain’s second most senior cleric said: “[The home secretary] has not produced the evidence that shows that in 90 days you’re capable of getting somebody prosecuted.

    “Why does he want these days, so the police do what? Gather more evidence?

    “To me that becomes, if you’re not very careful, very close to a police state in which they pick you up and then they say later on ‘we’ll find evidence against you’. That’s what happened in Uganda with Idi Amin.”

    Meanwhile, West Midlands Police are continuing to question nine people arrested in Birmingham over an alleged plot to kidnap and murder a Muslim soldier.

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  16. archduke says:

    The Policeman’s Blog has a post on tonights panorama:

    http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/waving-not-drowning.html

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  17. Bodo says:

    “The West helped build it and it belongs to Israel”

    Yes, France helped Israel. Bet the Beeb tries to blame the US though.

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  18. disillusioned_german says:

    After reading parts of the copper’s blog I would like to ask Al Beeb to run a special Panorama programme “Who’s got the worst government in EU Europe?”

    Right now my money is on the UK in 1st place closely followed by France in 2nd and Germany in 3rd.

    Is that police minister McNulty for real? He sounds more like a caricature to me…

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  19. archduke says:

    disillusioned -> seems like you cant do a citizens arrest in the UK anymore – you’ll go to jail for kidnap.

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  20. disillusioned_german says:

    We better start jumping up and down then, Archduke. I’ve got to remember that the next time I’m in the UK!

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  21. JohnBosworth says:

    “INSTEAD”
    From the BBC website’s article “Syria ‘can broker peace in Iraq’ we read this:

    “A high-level review by the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group published in December said the Bush administration should court Syria and Iran’s influence in the region. The White House rejected the recommendation, instead announcing plans to send an additional 21,500 US troops to Iraq.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6332479.stm

    “INSTEAD” – one small word with so much meaning.

    The use of INSTEAD makes it look like the US had only two choices and they (the evil blood-thirsty Bush administration) chose the wrong one. But it was never just the ISG (the good guys) vs Bush (the bad guy). There was much more thought put into policy now called the “surge” (how I hate that word). There were many courses of action considered – but the use of “instead” brings the story down to Assad (sensible) vs Bush (mad).

    How about: “after considering the advice of the ISG to discuss the future of Iraq with Syria, a state whose motives the Bush Administration believe to be highly suspect, they rejected that suggested course of action.”

    I don’t believe this was a deliberate use of the word “instead” with its hidden message, just one of those moments when Auntie shows the true colour of her knickers.

    Careful Beeboids – its these little slips that give you away.

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  22. archduke says:

    “Yes, France helped Israel. Bet the Beeb tries to blame the US though.
    Bodo | 05.02.07 – 9:04 pm |”

    do you have some sort of superhero psychic powers – becauses thats exactly what they just did – photo of Nixon and Golda Meir displayed along with some wittering about American collusion.

    no French to be seen anywhere!

    oh wait – this is the BBC, so sorry mate – i’ll have to downgrade your superhero status.

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  23. archduke says:

    “We better start jumping up and down then, Archduke. I’ve got to remember that the next time I’m in the UK!
    disillusioned_german | 05.02.07 – 9:20 pm”

    i can see the tabloid headlines

    “Labours solution to crime –
    Jump up and down”

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  24. archduke says:

    anyone else find it odd that upon this outbreak of bird flu, lo and behold we get BBC reporters IN the exclusion zone , and thereby possibly bringing the flu virus back to London?

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  25. Bryan says:

    The following words of wisdom were bestowed upon World Service listeners in the course of a discussion on the murder of the Italian policeman by football thugs:

    Sport doesn’t turn you into a hooligan, society does.

    Not the kind of bias we usually get from the BBC – just a dogmatic statement of “fact” on an issue that is complex, multi-faceted and highly debatable. I didn’t know the nature-nurture debate had been decided in favour of nurture.

    I assume this attitude is widespread among people at the BBC. Must be, since they’re so keen on social engineering and thought control. It’s dangerous because if you lay all the blame at the door of society you absolve the thug of blame for his criminal behaviour. That in turn legitimizes and facilitates criminal behaviour and you end up with a society going down the tubes.

    Fact is, some people are more prone to evil than others and they would be evil whether they lived among people or in a cave. So how do you get them to change their evil ways? There’s no simple answer to that question, but you certainly don’t do it by insisting that anyone but themselves is to blame for their own actions.

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  26. Bryan says:

    Michael Taylor | 05.02.07 – 10:18 am,

    Yes, the polished PC gems that the BBC carefully places on its website bear little relation to the real world. The incongruence is extraordinary.

    If the BBC ever succeeds in turning society into a mirror image of its website we’ll be in real trouble.

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  27. Jon says:

    Interesting piece here – cant remember hearing about it on the BBC (which always puts both sides to an argument, so as not to be biased!)

    “Sun spot activity has reached a 1,000-year high, said scientists affiliated with the Max Planck Institute in Gottingen, Germany, and the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich, Switzerland, in a 2004 report. More sun spots mean Earth will grow warmer; fewer mean it will turn colder. Solar radiation has increased by 0.05 percent per decade since the 1970s, concluded a NASA-funded study in 2003.

    Alarmists attribute warming to rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. But CO2 accounts for only about 0.03 percent of the earth’s atmosphere, and less than 10 percent of the greenhouse effect. Only about 14 percent of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere comes from burning fossil fuels.

    Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the space research laboratory at the Pulkovo Observatory in St. Petersburg, Russia, says the alarmists have confused cause and effect. As solar radiation warms the earth, CO2 is released into the atmosphere from the world’s oceans, he said last month.

    There’s considerable evidence of global warming on Mars, Dr. Abdussamatov said. Since there are no people on Mars, it’s clear the warming there and here is due to the sun, he said.”

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07035/758996-373.stm

    I particularly like the reference to Mars – I wonder if the environmentalists can blame that on man-made CO2 emmisions?

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  28. disillusioned_german says:

    Archduke: It would almost be funny if it weren’t so serious.

    Just imagine McNulty during WWII: “The Germans are coming. Let’s all jump up and down collectively. They may go away…”

    Oh, my!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6241815.stm

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  29. archduke says:

    “I particularly like the reference to Mars – I wonder if the environmentalists can blame that on man-made CO2 emmisions?
    Jon | 05.02.07 – 11:12 pm |”

    would explain the recent water-flow outbursts that they’ve discovered in certain craters in Mars – where subsurface ice has bubbled up to the surface in a torrent only to flow down a hillside and evaporate away..

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  30. archduke says:

    “disillusioned_german | 05.02.07 – 11:31 pm | #”

    McNulty is the living embodiement of why Darwin might be wrong – evolution can actually go into reverse (Jade Goody is another example)

    A gorilla would have more brains on how to deal with a criminal than he does.

    (no offense meant to those gorgeous and intelligent gorillas)

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  31. disillusioned_german says:

    Archduke: The problem is (at least as far as I can say) that most of our politicians (and journos) are McNulltys…

    Faceless, brainless apparatchiks who couldn’t care less about their constituents because they live in a world of their own (far away from all these bad people who may be forced to defend themselves against the products of their policies).

    Has anyone watched Panaroma and how did Al Beeb spin McNullty?

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  32. amimissingsomething says:

    Jon | 05.02.07 – 11:12 pm |

    didn’t the americans land a spacecraft there? those d*** yanks again! they are to blame after all – there and here!

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  33. amimissingsomething says:

    totally o/t but of interest to me:

    where is JBH? and where is reith? taking a break? travelling? on vacation? anyone know?

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  34. David says:

    Yes! You’re missing JBH and Reith.

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  35. zboy says:

    Jon, I doubt if Jeremy Black’s book will be allowed anywhere near a british schoolboy or schoolgirl if it is not completely towing the PC line on slavery. Talking about apologies, we should demand one from the people of Mongolia for the ravages of Genghis Khan and his hordes. And what about the Romans and the Normans? Can we expect an apology from the italians and french for invading these shores?

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  36. Bryan says:

    Jonathan Boyd Hunt must be frying other fish. I don’t think he’s the lurking type.

    John Reith has been known to absent himself from this site for longer periods than the current one.

    He’s probably diligently studying the specific BBC instances of bias that some of us have challenged him to respond to and will soon be coming back to us with his comments on them.

    Yeah, right!

    And Nick Reynolds of the BBC claimed to be interested in my take on the BBC’s skittishness regarding the T-word:

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/116964912887139686/#328242

    But then failed to respond to the two-part thesis I presented him:

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/116964912887139686/#328360

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/116964912887139686/#328362

    And assorted complainants have come and gone – from those who could hold up their end of the wicket for a while to those who were hit-and-run posters. Others are no doubt lurking.

    It don’t matter. This site adds its weight to the moderating influence of those who challenge the BBC. The knowledge that it is scrutinized limits to a certain extent the free rein of BBC bias.

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  37. Bryan says:

    Talking about apologies, we should demand one from the people of Mongolia for the ravages of Genghis Khan and his hordes

    And I’m looking forward to the BBC lobbying hard for an apology from Black South Africans for invading that country from the north and slaughtering and dispossessing the indigenous San (Bushmen).

    The San these days are a pitiful shadow of their former selves.

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  38. Jack Hughes says:

    Just tried to read the BBC “Mick Waters” piece headlined “New curriculum: exciting learning”.

    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6325535.stm)

    Its heavy going, because its just babble. In every sentence he tries to tick all the boxes.

    So we get “The curriculum should better emphasise and make explicit study and learning in terms of diversity, choice, need and specialism. ”

    What does this sentence actually mean ? Does it mean anything ? How would we change the school curriculum in the light of that revelation ? And how would we detect if we had hit the target ?

    I wonder if its just some kind of programmatically-generated screed – a kind of auto-babble. For example you could put any of the paragraphs in any order and it would be just as meaningless. Does Mick Waters get paid for churning out this tosh ?

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  39. Oscar says:

    Has anyone noticed how al beeb keeps referring to “the Muslim holy city of Mecca” every time they mention the Fatah/Hamas meeting. Never noticed them reporting the ‘Jewish holy city of Jerusalem’ or the ‘Christian holy city of Bethlehem’. All part of creeping Islamification of language.

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  40. Bryan says:

    The BBC has probably been instructed by its Saudi masters to emphasize the Islamic nature of Mecca to discourage infidels working in the Apartheid State of Saudi Arabia from daring to defile Mecca by visiting it.

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  41. Grimer says:

    I’m sure it will get wall-to-wall coverage, but I’m uploading the video of the Friendly Fire incident to YouTube.

    It should be available in the next few minutes. My You Tube page is here:

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=grimer1

    I’m off to work now, and don’t have access to haloscan comments.

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  42. Noel says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6333707.stm
    Has there been a coup?? – Last time I looked the Democrats dominated the Senate. How could the evil side of the force possibly ‘block’ a bill?
    Especially as the amendment was even proposed by a Republican. This smells of Black Ops!

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  43. Alan says:

    Is Cameron begining to receive a realistic education about Islamists by meeting them? Is he seeing through the pretence of ‘victimhood’ of devious ‘moderate’ Muslim self-styled leaders?
    ” Cameron clashes with Mosque chairman ” ( Feb. 6).
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk
    ( go to ‘politics’).

    Note to Al Beeb interviewers: You too, are allowed to clash with Mosque chairmen.

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  44. Fabio P.Barbieri says:

    Noel: the Senate of the US is known as the Graveyard of Bills, because it is so easy to block something there. Because of procedural matters, a majority of 60% is required to be certain to pass a bill – and guess what? The Democrats don’t have it. I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but the BBC is exactly correct in this instance.

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  45. Fabio P.Barbieri says:

    Bryan, about that piece of crap from the World Service. As an Italian journalist pointed out, how come we can have carnivals, town festivals, notti bianche (city-wide all-night street parties), sports events other than football, religious processions, and even mass political demonstrations, without anyone so much as getting bruised, and it is only with football games that people die? The brain-dead who repeated that piece of trash (being certainly too stupid to have thought it up for him/herself) has no idea of Italy. Italian life is street theatre; and, except for football, bloodless street theatre. The poison is in football and in football alone. I would say that to the twit in question, but I imagine s/he would be too stupid to take it in.

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  46. Fabio P.Barbieri says:

    Everyone: Israel built its bomb, as it did its excellent Merkaba tank, with minimum assistance from anyone. It does however seem to be a fact that, even as Macmillan in 1960 preached about “restraint” (having got to the Prime Ministership by stabbing Eden and indirectly Israel in the back), some middle-level British bureaucrats, on their own initiative, allowed Israel to purchase “heavy water” in secret. Considering the circumstances, that is rather a pleasant bit of irony.

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  47. Archonix says:

    Fabio P.Barbieri | Homepage | 06.02.07 – 10:33 am | #

    Y’know, you have a harsh way of putting things, but in this instance you might well be right. I have a friend in Italy who thinks the game should be outright banned after what happened. I don’t blame him… it used to be a beautiful game. Then it got professional

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  48. Oscar says:

    “The leaders of the Palestinian groups Hamas and Fatah are to meet today in the holy city of Mecca.”

    From Today programme’s ‘Listen Again’ site. So now it’s just “the holy city of Mecca” – reminiscent of their “Prophet Muhammed” tag on the religious site.

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  49. zboy says:

    With reference to Israel’s nuclear weapons. Surely the point is that Israel has never threatened to wipe out any arab state with their bombs, even though it has been a nuclear power for maybe over 30 years. Iran, on the other hand, has a number of times said it wants Israel wiped off the map and is on the path of developing a bomb. Also, if Iran gets the bomb, surely Egypt, Syria and perhaps Iraq would see a need to obtain one too, not to mention the possibility of Iran passing nuclear material or even a bomb to terrorists…sorry, I meant plumbers.

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  50. Abandon ship! says:

    Oscar

    I noticed that this morning, and was going to comment on it when I had the chance. Imam James of Smug (pbuh) said “the holy city of Mecca” in a very worrying tone. It just goes to show that some religions are more holy than others.

    By the way, have you seen the new webcam in the Today studio?

    http://phillips.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/125muslim_prayer2.jpg

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