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“I’d like to see an end to the way little girls are sexualised simply to sell tat. If you look at the way groups like ‘The Pussy Cat Dolls’ are sold to little kids on BBC programmes doing routines that wouldn’t be out of place in lap dancing dars, then I can see Joans Bakewell’s point.”
The Fat Contractor | 07.04.07 – 3:42 pm
i do too. but theres a simple answer in our capitalist economy – dont buy that crap. they’ll go out of business soon enough. there’s a simple psychological game you can instill in your kids to put them off stuff like that (e.g. those whore like Bratz dolls) – just say that certain toys are for naughty kids. other toys are for good kids.
and who does Santa deliver presents to? yeah – the good kids.
simple. end of the matter.
had a bit of problem though when mini-archduke got a Bratz doll for a present from a distant aunt. had to explain that it wasnt the aunts fault – its just that the aunt was tricked by the Childcatcher (yeah – *that* one from “chitti chitti bang bang”) who leaves naughty presents around the place. the kids that like the naughty presents end up getting nothing from Santa, and sometimes adults are tricked by him.
oh – i could go on and on about this. but the end result is the same – you need a bit of a brain to bring youngsters up. if you’re a dumbass, then god help you in the today’s world.
” TPO | 07.04.07 – 6:02 pm |”
tpo – lets be honest here. it *was* a car crash and Guido was out of his depth. i saw it myself and even i cringed at it. White of course was his usual detestable self – but he ran rings around Guido – almost like a pit bull straining at the lease and then being let go to attack his target.
there’s an impression i get on the right, that some on the right are lulled by the wishy washy world of leftist P.C. crap – and they think that the left are themselves a bunch of wishy washy Nancy Pelosi types. when in reality, there’s a fair few bruisers of the old left lurking out there who’ll eat you for lunch and not think about it.
its amazing how the left has managed to replace memories of the KGB and Stasi with wishy washy P.C. and greenery in the minds of the right.
since i originally come from the left, i know just how friggin dangerous they really are. and they take NO prisoners if you are getting in the way.
Guido obviously doesnt have that background, so he was caught out , big time.
An interseting revision by the BBC in this piece.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6535359.stm
“The United States had nothing to do with Mr Sharafi’s detention and we welcome his return to Iran.
“This is just the latest theatrics of a government trying to deflect attention away from its own unacceptable actions,” he said.”
was originnaly this:
“The Multi-National Force Iraq was not involved in his kidnapping or any kind of claims of torture
Lt-Col Christopher Garver,
US military ”
http://newssniffer.newworldodour.co.uk/articles/36099/diff/0/1
They statement used does not deny anything, whereas the latter catagoricaly states that the US was not involved in the kidnapping. By using a different quote the BBC has left the matter in doubt.
Actually if you read the original piece at:
The BBC seem to have a problem with US military spokesman Lt-Col Christopher Garver as all his quotes have been edited out in favour of White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe – I wonder why?
http://newssniffer.newworldodour.co.uk/articles/36099/diff/0/1
TPO:
Further to the above check out what the first ethnic minority president of the National Union of Teachers has to say about the workers’ paradise of Cuba.
Who says the BBC has stopped doing comedy.
TPO | 07.04.07 – 2:17 pm | #
It seems these days that ability or long time service means nothing – promote people to power just because they are an “ethnic minority” is fast becoming a joke – Don’t misread me – If anyone is right for the job regardless of who they are then they should get it – but it seems that the people with the most idiotic and extreme views are put into positions of power for no other reason than there background. It has happened a lot in Unions, but also now affects other important positions of influence e.g. the Police, Criminal Justice, Local Government etc. It is this that will lead to the “destruction of Britain” and politicians will be helpless to do anything about it. Its creeping Britain bashing in the name of “fair play”.
i wonder why frances harrison never reports on stories such as this coming out of iran
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25048_Thiefs_Hand_Amputated_in_Public_in_Iran&only
quote:
After a convicted thief’s hand was amputated in public in Kermanshah, Ayatollah Mohiyeddin Shirazi, an appointee of the supreme leader of Iran, criticized the halting of public punishments, and added, “Those who say that practices like amputating hands belong to the past are themselves part of the past.” He also claimed that imprisonment had no effect “on educating criminals and reducing crime.” …
and these nutcases want to have nuclear weapons?
hmm.. if the Israelis started beheading Pallywood terrorists in public, you’d hear wall-to-wall endless condemnation from Amnesty-Radio4-Today-BBC-CNN…the usual suspects….countless condemnations from the MCB and Mozzam eeg about the “oppression” of “Muslims”…
and yet this happens in Saudi Arabia and barely a whimper
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/07/news/ME-GEN-Saudi-Beheading.php
quote:
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia: A Saudi man convicted of fatally shooting another Saudi over a dispute was beheaded on Saturday, the Interior Ministry said.
The executed man, Hatem Bin Mohammed al-Mestadi, had gotten into a fight with the victim, who was identified by the state news agency SPA as Masoud Bin Ali Aljahni, then sprayed him with bullets. The nature of the dispute was not disclosed.
Al-Mestadi was beheaded in the Western port city of Jiddah, the ministry said in a statement carried by the SPA.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which those convicted of murder, drug trafficking, rape and armed robbery are executed in public with a sword.
by contrast Israel has 30,000 terrorists in prison. many guilty of murder and just imprisoned for life. so tell me – who is the more civilised and the more compassionate and forgiving?
“who is the more civilised and the more compassionate and forgiving?”
Or perhaps tempering vengeance with reality.
I wouldn’t attribute it to compassion and forgiveness. Or at least I can’t understand it that way.
“The 15 Royal Navy personnel held captive by Iran are to be allowed to sell their stories to the media.
The Ministry of Defence said their experiences amounted to “exceptional circumstances” that allowed its usual ban on such payments to be lifted.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6536203.stm
I’m sorry but this is just too much for me. Are they still serving in the forces or not?
Whats going to happen next – they’ll probably be invited onto celebrity come dancing. I know people on this blog may dissagree with me but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth IMHO.
My father served with the Royal Engineers in West Africa during the war and he never spoke to anyone about his experiences – even though I found out from my mother that he had had his arm nearly blown off going over a bridge, the bridge was bombed (how I don’t know), but out of the 20 sappers who crossed the bridge he was the only survivor. The point being that old adage – people who experenced action in any war usually don’t talk about it. The real heroes in my opinion are the silent ones.
It is nice to know that this is not just my opinion.
“Thus the rot which infects the very top of our Armed Forces will go unrecognised and unchecked. The weaknesses will remain unaddressed and the guilty will go unpunished.
For the rest, the thousands of brave and unassuming service personnel who do their duty by their country • their jobs will be inestimably harder and dangerous. And more will die.
By comparison with this government, Ahmadinejad is an honourable and principled man.”
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
“Media Bias: How It Works”
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017274.php
Interseting analysis of how media bias works (in this case rubbishing the views of an eminent scientist) – It may be interesting to comapre this with the BBC output.
Ive been away from the internet for two weeks and am not going to wade through 1000 posts to see if this was already mentioned so forgive me for my Easter induced lack of rigour when I hark back to lasy weeks crisis.
A couple of interesting things:
One morning a senator was off in Syria talking apparently about their support for “militant” groups begining in “H”. This apparently pissed off the white house who says Syria support terrirists, though no names were mentioned. Surely the white house couldnt have been referring to those “miltant” groups could he?
Same day. When the hostages where released the BBC posited repeatedly a question as to wheather Britain was humiliated by Iran… eh?
Further the BBC repeatedly stated that Iran had come out looking like/portaying itself as a “Peace loving state”… eh, et aussi eh? encore.
the Iranian Revolutionary Guards must be quaking in their boots:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/Rheuh6mDCMI/AAAAAAAACIY/_d6LiVSpXkI/s1600-h/arthurbatcheloraz4.jpg
from here:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/04/political-dimension.html
and more from the “leaving a bad taste in the mouth” department…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1626726.ece
read the comments.
“It’s Easter and they’ve just received their 13 pieces of silver. The Iranians knew what their real names were, but guess what, now the whole world does too.
jac, manchester, ”
“I am serving with the US Army in Iraq. This debacle has made the British Forces a laughing stock and I find it incredible that my Navy & Marine colleagues are behaving like C-list celebirities when we are still out here trying to make a difference in a very hostile environment. What is the MoD thinking of? There can be no justification for their reckless actions in this matter. I feel that my contribution has ben devalued, and I am enbarassed to wear the uniform.
Maj Smith, Baghdad, Iraq”
“The MoD’s new recruitment efforts are obviously going to bear fruit. What young leftist in Britain today wouldn’t be drawn to military service by the promise of training in how to avoid conflict, aid the enemy’s propaganda effort, and secure lucrative movie and book deals whilst doing so.
Adam, Los Angeles, US”
lgf picks up in “hostages for cash” story
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25052_British_Hostages_Sell_Stories_for_Big_Cash&only
great. not only are the mullahs laughing at us, we now have the Yanks reeling with utter disgust and contempt.
One of the hostages, Dean Harris, 30, an acting sergeant in the Royal Marines, told a Sunday Times reporter yesterday: “I want £70,000. That is based on what the others have told me they have been offered. I know Faye has been offered a heck more than that. I am worth it because I was one of only two who didn’t crack.”
I I I – me me me me…
whatever happened to selfless duty to ones country?
One can only imagine what Her Majesty thinks about all this…
archduke | 07.04.07 – 9:24 pm |
What an interesting household you must have! Funny though it is, it’s possible you are storing up trouble for later years. How will you deal with Mini-Archduke when she asks you if her little friends mummy thinks her child is naughty because she has bought them a Bratz doll? Or when mummy collars you in the play ground after school? Interesting times ahead I think.
I can control my own kids well enough (I think!!) and neither have caused me any real trouble. But it’s not my kids that concern me overly on this. I stopped them watching unsuitable stuff until I considered them mature enough. However other parents take a different view. I was well miffed a few years ago when I discovered my son had seen ‘Alien’ at the age of 8 at a friends house. Remonstrating with the parent just drew blank looks.
There lies the real problem, what kids absorb from others and not at home.
But it gets worse. When my daughter turned 8 there was a sudden dearth of suitable clothing. She suddenly had a choice between too small little girls and mini-prostitute clothing. We had to hunt high and low for ‘ordinary’ clothing. Girls seem to go from Barbie to nothing in the toys department. What on earth do you provide for them once they are ‘inbetweenies’ except the teenage crap that’s on offer. I tell you, parenting would be so much easier if it wasn’t for the outside world!
fat contractor -> i’m pretty lucky actually. most of the parents in my part of middle england are pretty much in agreement and of the same mindset.
the *lack* of “multiculturalism” where i live really does help , as pretty much everyone agrees with the overall basics and common sense approach to bringing up kids.
not reached the inbetweenies stage though! i’m not looking forward to that.
Is anyone watching the Dateline programme on BBC24 now? I am so furious I have had to switch it off.
One Israeli guest is being shouted down by the idiot from AL Quds newspaper (spelling?), Bariatwan or something. He is insisting that the sailors were not tortured and treated well. Yes, they were not physically tortured, but psychologically they were. He is nothing more than a mouthpiece for Iran. And of course, the”Israelis are no better” argument gets thrown in for good measure.
This is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation? Disgusting. What the hell is happening to our country?
I really want to kick the TV to pieces
american economy keeps booming
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070407/economy.html?.v=3
of course that doesnt fit the IBC’s agenda… so it doesnt get highlighted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/default.stm
Abdel Bari Atwan is a BBC regular. Friend of Bin Laden, believes every inch of Israel is ‘occupied “Palestinian”‘ land, supports terrorism…
http://www.stateofnature.org/abdelBariAtwan.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,,665078,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Bari_Atwan
I think this is an example of a BBC reporter putting their view across..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6532951.stm
The French electorate is notoriously fickle. And some, especially on the left, fear and dislike Mr Sarkozy for his tough stance on immigration – and worry that his policies would leave the weakest in society vulnerable, and divide this already fractured society still further.
It is significant that the Iranian political opposition to Ahmadinejihad’s Islamic regime re-prints today’s ‘Sunday Times’ leading article approvingly. Al Beeb, please note.
“Misplaced Sympathy”
http://www.iranfocus.com
The BBC the mouth piece for terrorists;;
Taleban ‘kill Afghan journalist’
The Taleban in Afghanistan say they have killed an Afghan reporter abducted last month with an Italian journalist.
The group said it had killed Ajmal Naqshbandi as the government had refused to meet their demands to release senior figures from prison.
The Italian reporter, Daniele Mastrogiacomo, was released after five Taleban members were freed in exchange.
The two reporters and their driver, who was earlier beheaded, were captured on 6 March in Helmand province.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6537097.stm
Kill BBC, I think you will find the correct term is murdered.
Migrant workers hold LA protest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6536311.stm
Pretty much says it all when it comes to Al Beeb’s (and the Left’s) attitude to “illegals”:
Let them in and give them citizenship (or at least the right to vote). They’ll all vote for the Lefties who promise to give them hand-outs and therefore are going to change the political landscape. More aliens generally mean fewer rights for natives because the latter will be a minority sooner or later.
I pray that a Republican like Romney, Tancredo or Gingrich (should he decide to run) will become the next US President. Otherwise are American friends are doomed as well.
Happy Easter!
Re.: Border Security.
I can’t remember but maybe some of you can… were Al Beeb ever critical of the border “fence” between East and West Germany?
British forces will get the traitorous message from the ’15’: it pays to surrender.
Is the MOD spoofable?:
“Kidnapped Servicemen were Game Show Contestants”
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i17027
We know now why Ms.Turney did not take part in the press conference of the ’15’ (the UK press conference, that is); she was lining up her contracts with, apparently, ITV and ‘The Sun’.
Will Al Beeb be bidding for the services of any of the ’15’? Doesn’t it like to compete with ITV in the viewers’ numbers game? Its recent ex-chairman, Mr. Grade has gone ahead. Come on, al Beeb, what’s holding you back: PRINCIPLES?
Easter pleas for missing BBC man
Archbishop Sentamu aimed his message squarely at Mr Johnston’s captors, insisting that “he is not your enemy”.
“He is a symbol of ensuring the freedom of the press is not violated, an issue Palestinian journalists indeed are familiar with after facing routine attacks, harassment and arrests.
Somehow I don’t think he’s referring to these incidents:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Palestinian_Intimidation_of_Journalists.asp
The World Service’s incomparable Lyse Doucet asked Moustafa Barghouti, Palestinian “information minister”, what’s happening with Johnson. He said the Palestinian “government” had met four days ago and agreed that they could not tolerate the continued kidnapping of Johnston.
Doucet gently asked him why only four days ago since Johnston has been missing for four weeks. (I suppose that passes for tough questioning from the BBC.) The excuse was that the government was in a state of transition but now they were going to get things moving. the Barghouti said something that made me sit up:
“The only consideration that may be delaying the action is that we want to be sure that he comes back safe and in good condition.” Hmmm. So that could mean that rumour that a powerful crime family has him is true and that the Palestinians know very well who that is. Now it’s a matter of carefully negotiating who gets what cut of the ransom – to be paid, presumably, by the BBC.
Barghouti is also active in trying to raise the number of Palestinian prisoners to be freed in “exchange” for Gilad Shalit. I think it now stands at 1500.
Typical of the extortionist Palestinians. It’s already abundantly clear what their future “state” will look like.
Cash for Sailors
Is it not possible that Bliars government know that they are to blame for the hostages been taken, i.e by refusing permission for the ship to engage or dictating standing orders on engagement. So to deflect attention they are allowing the sailors to sell their stories and, thereby, become the story themselves. Whilst everyone is tut-tutting at their, understandable greed (no chance of promotion now) no one, including the BBC, is asking why they didn’t fight back in the first place.
Inside the real Iran.
I see that Al Beeb still hasn’t posted nor condemned this current example of punishment in the Islamic Republic of Iran:
“Thief’s Hand Amputated in Public in Iran; Official Cleric calls for Reinstating Islamic Punishments” (7 Apr.)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch
(scroll down).
The BBC?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Says it all really.
paulc: Quite agree – the BBC showing how low they really are – Don’t expect the BBC to treat British heroes with any respect – it is obvious that their remit is to undermine the troops and not to enhance them.
One of the former members of the armed forces who was critical of the behaviour of the ‘frightened 15’ said that the whole fiasco was reminiscent of reality TV. I wonder when the first of the fifteen will be on Celebrity Big Brother. This is not in jest.
I also note that Faye Turvey was separated from her 3-year old child during her time on duty. Surely the RN can provide creches on board our ex-warships.
Let’s face it – the Navy has become Blairified. That bastard (and his wife) has neutered our forces.
The World Service’s Mike Sergeant “reporting” from Jerusalem:
I’m right in the middle of the annual Jerusalem Easter crush. 30 000 people are trying to squeeze their way through the narrow streets….towards the spot where they believe Christ was crucified….Hundreds try to force their way through an Israeli checkpoint. For many people, coming here is a spiritual though not a particularly comfortable experience.
[Well of course with an Israeli checkpoint to squeeze through how could they possibly feel comfortable?]
The armed Israeli soldiers lurking on the sidelines here remind you that it’s a city with a long history of conflict.
[And the BBC reminds us of its deep-rooted prejudices: Israeli soldiers are armed? I wonder why. And they are lurking? I suppose that’s in readiness to pounce on some unfortunate Palestinian Christian.]
Tourism’s really suffered here but these people are undeterred:
[Statement follows from an American tourist who feels safe and is happy with the security.]
But the Israelis say that the Church of the Holy Sepulchre simply can’t hold many more pilgrims safely.
[Statement follows from an adviser to the mayor of Jerusalem explaining problems of space.]
“Allan@Aberdeen | 08.04.07 – 7:11 pm”
I’m not ex-forces, so i am seriously hesistant to comment on this publicly.
you dont know the half of what i think about this fiasco.
but i hold back out of respect for the forces and generally an attitude that “they know best”.
however, this recent news of selling their stories to the tabloids – AND being approved by the MOD , is seriously testing my reserve on fully commenting on what i think.
i’m biting my lip now and holding back. as indeed are many others.
Contd:
The Israeli safety concerns are easy to appreciate standing here
[huh? The BBC actually understanding the Israeli point of view? I wait for the “but” • ah, here it is]:
but restricting access any further wont be popular. Just ask Christians from the Palestinian areas. Many say they’ve been stopped from coming here for years.
[Complaints follow from a Palestinian Christian who says only a few permits were issued to Christians from Ramallah and Bethlehem but then, strangely, blames the West and the Christian world for “abandoning” and “forgetting” them. It’s not clear what he wants the west to do. Liberate Jerusalem from the Jews? Or liberate Ramallah and Bethlehem Christians from increasing oppression from their Muslim brothers? Mike Sergeant doesn’t clear the matter up for us.]
Israel says this year more permits have been granted to Christian pilgrims from the West Bank and Gaza but amid this mass of world Christianity theirs seems to be a dwindling presence.
[I wonder why that would be. It couldn’t perhaps have something to do with Muslims reducing the Christian population by driving Christians out of Palestinian areas, could it? Silly me, of course not. The BBC would surely have told us about it if that was going on.]
archduke | 08.04.07 – 7:39 pm,
I’ve got no objection to them being paid for their stories – after they’ve been stripped of their rank and dishonourably discharged from the navy.
allan -> ”
I also note that Faye Turvey was separated from her 3-year old child during her time on duty.”
you HAVE got to be kidding me. are you serious? i dont know about the rest of you , but try to separate my woman from mini-archduke when she was age three, and Mrs Archduke would have beaten you to a pulp. In fact, i know of no other woman in my family that would do that. aged 10/11/12/13 – well, maybe – but age THREE???
no wonder the Iranians were able to spot a weak point in the team of 15. its bloody obvious.
“Bryan | 08.04.07 – 7:45 pm”
no objection to that here either. i’m fine with that. but if they’re still in service, i have serious objections to it.
“not only are the mullahs laughing at us, we now have the Yanks reeling with utter disgust and contempt.”
Can’t speak for the mullahs, but you’re right about Americans. The revulsion is across the board and transcends normal political and media boundaries.
Quaint attempts by your media (notably, The Torygraph) to write off the reaction as some kind of whacko temper tantrum from the extreme right are simply nonsense. IMO, the US media have for once picked up the authentic voice of the national mood. That is rare indeed these days.
You won’t hear about it from Frei, of course, but the most spirited derision is on the blogs — and it is everywhere. The politest suggestions range from issuing your Royal Marines with scented notepaper and matching garlands of pansies, to renaming that pitiful frigate the HMS Cornwallis. It goes downhill from there.
Your MoD and pols have managed to convince many of us that Britain is now the western capital of cowardice, grovelling and waffle. Congratulations. Maybe that idea about union with France wasn’t so dumb after all.
What happened to Drake’s Drum?
Agree with the suggestion above about Celebrity Big Brother, and, yes, it’s not funny at all. The sad truth out here in the real world is we don’t need you or anything that you make or sell.
Good luck with your “country”, girls. You’re gonna need it.
” Connell |
I think this is an example of a BBC reporter putting their view across..
08.04.07 – 12:23 pm ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6532951.stm
the quote Connell pointed out was:
“The French electorate is notoriously fickle. And some, especially on the left, fear and dislike Mr Sarkozy for his tough stance on immigration – and worry that his policies would leave the weakest in society vulnerable, and divide this already fractured society still further.”
but surely logic dictates that if you stop the immigraton of militant Islamists then obviously society will stop fracturing and become more united. you basically stop the growth of a fifth column by clamping down hard on Muslim immigration.
i dont think Sarkosy wants to clamp down on English or Dutch people emigrating to France somehow…
all perfectly sensible – if you want to stop the Jihad spreading in France, you stop Muslim immigration.
sometimes the logic of beeboid reporters delves into the world of the bizarre and 2 plus 2 equals 5.
The whole thing has an April Fool feel to it. When I first read that they were going to be paid for telling tales of their cowardice I had a split-second feeling that it was April Fool. I can’t believe that even Tony Blair’s government would allow this. Churchill would have had those sailors up before a court martial or at the very least disgraced and demoted.
As I said in an earlier comment, the BBC must be delighted with the whole saga. The Iranians will be able to claim – convincingly – that the stories are lies told for financial gain and that their captives were in fact seized in Iranian waters and well-treated at all times. They have letters and TV appearances to “prove” that.
” knacker | 08.04.07 – 7:59 pm ”
you’re right. i listen to american talk radio from over here in blightly and i’ve definitely got the whiff of it.
who would have thought that AhMahDinnerJacket would have split the British-American alliance? you have to hand it to him – he saw the weaknesses, the flaws, the achilles heels – and went hell for leather for it. their not dumb those iranians. they know their shit.
“that the stories are lies told for financial gain”
exactly. why the MOD are approving this god only knows. because EVERYONE in the entire f**king world wont believe them once money is involved.
” knacker | 08.04.07 – 7:59 pm |”
float the idea of an American Foreign Legion (along the lines of the French Foreign Legion…) to your congressman.
citizenship and relocation paid for after 5 years active service.
you’ll be overwhelmed with applications from Europe. just because we have dhimmi governments doesnt mean that we are ALL dhimmi.
and where did you get the pseudonym “knacker” from?
knacker | 08.04.07 – 7:59 pm,
Have a look at this forum:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&edition=1&ttl=20070408201024&messageID=2622172�
There’s a flood of national condemnational for these sailors – although I see a number of comments also supporting them. There is certainly still hope for Britain.
ARRSE (Army Rumour Service) are not supporting them very much either.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/index.php
archduke – don;t hold back – many of us veterans are screaming in anger just now. On the one hand we have Beharry VC whose story will not be told in case it shows that we are in Iraq etc for a reason and on the other we have little sailor boys holding Mummy’s and Auntie’s hand in the latest photos…..I swear if any of them had seen dead people they’d have screamed for lawyers, Max Clifford and compensation.
We got 50p a day for work of an objectionable nature in the Falklands in 1982. Not for killing Argies but for digging them UP again, putting the various body parts into sacks and then reburying them. War is hell as Sherman once said; perhaps we should start kicking those people who join up for the wrong reasons out.
I am being driven mad by the likes of Michelle Malkin whose anti British feelings have been seen on her blog in the past – she is loving the chance to slag our Forces and country off. Well done BBC – you disgusting sods.
ugh, condemnation.
“archduke – don;t hold back – many of us veterans are screaming in anger just now”
its just that non-forces folks like myself should take a step back and let ex-forces and current forces folks take centre stage and comment on this. you guys have the experience and knowledge. that is all.
it would be uncout and disrespectful of me to really lose my rag publicly over this.
the phrase “i am very pissed off” should suffice as a comment from my civvie street self.