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Great stuff- Thanks for the link.
HE WHO CONTROLS THE PAST…..CONTROLS THE FUTURE
IiD | 14.05.07 – 11:30 am
Just think, it was recorded live, hence the occasional shadow of the boom mic on a wall and other such details.
It’s a good reminder too how good drama doesn’t need gimmicks, elaborate sets, and computer generated graphics to create an atmosphere.
Some good comments over at The Telegraph re: the Sweeney rant/scientology. This one seems apt –
“It’s a bit rich of the BBC to accuse others of propaganda and brainwashing. All my life this organisation run by pseuds and liberal intellectuals has claimed the right to set the agenda in this country and shape public opinion. I can’t stand Scientology, but I don’t have to finance it. I’m stuck with the BBC.”
Posted by John Ledbury on May 14, 2007 10:14 AM
The BBC and its hatred of the US
Editor defends Scientology report
The editor of the BBC’s Panorama programme has defended a documentary on the Church of Scientology in which a reporter shouts at one of its members.
……………..
Mr Sweeney later responded by saying: “I am a British subject, not an American citizen, and in my country we have a freedom of speech. I have a right to report that.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6653293.stm
Err Mr Sweeney What has British and American Citizenship got to do with the story and lets be honest here. Bullies like you only shout when people are watching safe in the knowledge you can walk away. Try shouting like that at any Mullah in any mosque in the world I’m sure you’ll agree losing your head wouldn’t be an option.
P.S
Nice picture did your boyfriend take it?
The BBC, exposing cults and half a story
Panorama editor Sandy Smith said he was “disappointed” by Mr Sweeney’s actions. But he also said Scientology was an “extraordinary organisation” and had “no way of dealing with any kind of criticism at all”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6653293.stm
I’m sure we can say the same about another cult which also has no way of dealing with any kind of criticism. The thing is Sandy (Can I call you Sandy?) the cult I mention has over 1.5 million members in the Uk alone. How long do I have to wait to see the BBC to expose these people who live in our midst? Here’s a clue to who they are, they fall under the banner of a Religion of Peace(An oxymoron if ever there was one)
Before the BBC clones come on line and launch a sustained attack on this little kitty.
(Pounce is a the name of a cat) Here is the BBCs definition of a cult;
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6679/cultgy1.jpg
Taken from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/02/99/e-cyclopedia/392396.stm
I’m sure you’ll all agree the BBCs favourite religion fits every definition listed to a tee.
Pounce writes:
“I’m sure you’ll all agree the BBCs favourite religion fits every definition listed to a tee.”
You’ve put your finger on a very knotty problem, there.
Experts will tell you that the differences between cults and religions are very subtle and that most people simply go by the number of adherents. Thus, satanism is termed a ‘cult’, while Jainism is described as a ‘religion’.
However, once you start to apply a properly rigorous standard, all sorts of interesting things happen.
Where on the scale, for example, would Opus Dei stand – and with it, our own, dear, Ruth Kelly?
And where, indeed, Islam, which seems to have many of the qualifications for sort of vilification reserved by the mass media for people who don’t go to pieces the moment they are offended?
One might very well consider Scientologists sinister imbeciles, but why describe the followers of, say, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, any differently?
“Don’t be surprised if you wake up one morning and learn that the Gaza Strip has become a lot like Lebanon was last summer.
Gaza looms as a major battleground in the larger global struggle with jihadism, with the Israeli military squaring off against terrorist proxies of Iran and Syria in addition to al Qaeda factions burrowing into the region.
Hamas has built in essence a 12,000-man militia — two to three times the size of the Hezbollah force in last summer’s Lebanon war.
Gaza is crawling with hundreds of terrorists affiliated with the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, part of Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah organization; Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Resistance Committees, an amalgamation of terror groups in Gaza.
More
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20070513-100738-1015r.htm
@Pounce – well, yes, thier favourite religion fits, but then an awful lot of the ones they are not so keen on fit too.
Let’s play Devil’s Advocate.
Definition of a cult:
> Has all of the following characteristics
> Uses psychological coercion to recuit, indoctrinate and retain members
— Sunday School gets ’em when they are young and impressionable, parents are told that unbaptised babies are in dire peril, etc
> Forms an elitist society
— Birds of a feather always flock together, but tea in the church hall afterwards is a fashion parade, not a meeting of minds
> Founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, charismatic and inaccountable
— “I am the way the truth and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME.”
> Believes ‘end justifies the means’ in raising funds and recruitment
— I used to help out at our local church jumble sales – collecting jumble, sorting it out, setting up the stalls and so on. The queues outside the door at 2:00pm were huge. I always wondered “Didn’t the sermon last week tell me that we should be helping the poor and the needy? Why are we charging them for stuff that we got for free?”
> Its wealth does not benefit its members or society
— The Church down the road is a beautiful building, it is maintained and cared for wonderfully, as is the huge rectory alongside. I have no idea if the council estate is populated entirely by regular church-goers, but thier houses are less attractive, shall we say.
http://biasedbbc2.blogspot.com/
And the opposite of all the above?
Its good to see that people at least on BBBC are now getting the Orwellian message if not a little late to do much about it.
The irony that Orwells real name was indead Blair should not be lost. Because there will very little about the future to laugh about.
Humanity should remember that to a socialist there end will always justify whatever means it takes. They have been conditioned though many years of propergander self inflicted or otherwise to believe that Conservatives are evil and deserve whatever they get.
It matters not one bit that conservatism is the magority view and the bed rock of a British free sociaty as this is the what socialism hates the most anyway.
Britain/America, freedom and sociaty.
This is self aparent to anyone with an un-brainwashed mind. JR should have great trouble sleeping at nights, but believe me he does not.
My crappy youtube video has 1/5 stars and 400 views in the last 10 hours.
That’s about 3 1/2 hours of wasted life time!
John Sweeney shouts like Hitler.
This sounds like a biography of mohamed (pork be upon him).
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6679/cultgy1.jpg
“Panorama editor Sandy Smith said he was “disappointed” by Mr Sweeney’s actions. But he also said Scientology was an “extraordinary organisation” and had “no way of dealing with any kind of criticism at all”.
Now, which other organisation does this remind you of?
Pot, Kettle, Kettle, Pot
There’s a slot on today’s Today Programme (Listen Again, the 0730am to 0800am section, from minute 2.02 to minute 8.59) that’s well worth a listen again. It’s Jim Naughtie interviewing an anti-war Democratic congressman, and you’ve never heard anything like it on the Today Programme before. The congressman gets slots of 18 seconds, 65 seconds, 99 seconds, 71 seconds and 70 seconds to make his points. In all this time Jim interrupts but once – during the 99 second bit, where he briefly interjects a point in support of the congressman’s argument. Otherwise Jim speaks only when the congressman has finished speaking.
It’s a sort of throw back to the 1950s, when if an interviewer was impertinent enough to ask a question it was always a soft one, and when interruptions hadn’t been heard of.
Lee More writes:
“It’s a sort of throw back to the 1950s, when if an interviewer was impertinent enough to ask a question it was always a soft one, and when interruptions hadn’t been heard of.”
Isn’t it strange how “John Reith” is never around to comment on posts like this?
“I wonder” said Winston “if Mr Sweeney career will be vaporised”?
Winston always thought he knew who would be vaporized-Quite clearly such outburst from Party members would only further the revulsion of GB in his mind. This man was far too articulate in what the Party orthodoxy really is to be allowed to continue.
His mind wandered when he vaguely remembered other strange behaviour and what happened to them. “Icke” and “Kilroy-Silk” he seemed to vaguely recall. But who they were and what they did he wasn’t sure.
When Winston closed his eyes he could almost see the members of the Thought Police grilling him over his conduct,” even the proles will be chuckling at this” muttered Winston while momentarily gazing out the window at the preparations Comrade Johnstone release campaign…
“Damn shame about Sweeny” sniggered Naughtie coming from the vending machine “I wonder if they will hang him in Victory Square”?
“Yes” said Winston “We can’t allow this behaviour from The Party”
Winston hated Naughtie, he too was a fanatical party member and he too knew that one day his career would be vaporized as well. He loved GB and hated the proles to keep a lid on it for long….
“I’m curious, Islam is not a violent religon and it can live in harmony with democracy, equality and freedom of religion and expression. I’m looking for a place where that holds true. So far I’ve discounted due to terrorism and/or riots, France, Spain, Britain, Holland, Denmark, Germany, Libya, Morocco, Tunis, Russia, Chechnya, Pakistan, India, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Palistine, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Greece, Kenya, Ethiopia, Albania, USA, Thailand, Canada, Phillipines, Indonesia, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Kenya, Sudan, Afgahnistan, Niger, Yemen and Jordan. Can somebody help me out and name the place where peaceful Islam is at ease with non Islam?”
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/muslim_uprising_planned_in_britain/
These two must work at the BBC
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
Is this worth a news page?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6654467.stm
Winston laughed at pounces post
“My” he wondered out loud “I didn’t realized that the MultiCult department was so much fun to work in”
They’ll shoot me in the back. I know there around. Watching me for thought crime. But I know I’m not mad, they can never get my mind because I’m not mad. They’ll never get me so long as I can say 2+2 = 4, they can’t get my mind. They’ll smash me in the back with steel pipes but my mind is mine.
Down with BBC. Down with John Lennon. Down with BBC.
Winston looked up from his book with a wave of despair. It had been done now; he had sealed his fate and it was only a matter of time. He looked out his window and the down the road that ran into the twisted maze of decrepit houses. These days it seemed the sky was always a uniform lifeless gray, like the teeming hordes of people scuttling through the labyrinth of concrete decay, eking out there wretched lives. Meanwhile BB told us that life after the revolution had never been better, we live longer, we are stronger, more intelligent and well fed; the slimy stream of constant blatant lies that everyone seemed to believe. Winston looked down at his diary; the scruffy and uneven lines of rubbish were his death sentence, and then they would be lost or destroyed by the thought police and he would be gone forever, an unperson as his malnourished and exhausted ‘comrades’ in the cafeteria would fearfully whisper after another person had disappeared, before returning to their endless tirades against spies, traitors, the Eurasians or whoever the latest enemy was. They would live forever, as a uniform mass of half-formed ghosts scuttling through the corridors of big brothers tyrannical machine, regurgitating what ever was said by the telescreen until perhaps even they would outlive there usefulness, and vanish.
If you want a picture of the future imagine a boot stamping on a human face….forever
I see the BBC is playing along nicely to the spinner doctors’ tune. Here’s the latest from its ever-risible ‘news’ website:
“Gordon Brown looks set to face a challenge from left-wing MP John McDonnell in the race to succeed Tony Blair.”
The subtext of which being that Brown isn’t Left-wing, so all you nice English voters, who’ve just turfed ZaNuLabour out of office up and down your green and pleasant land, have absolutely nothing to worry about when he seizes the crown.
Tell that to the pensioners!
Ultraviolets. Great clip on Youtube!
It was John Sweeney who put together a BBC 2 programme that argued it was the KGB who deliberately planted bombs in Moscow in 1999, blew up more than 200 of their own people, and then tried to blame this on those nice Islamic terrorists, just to discredit the religion of peace.
As conspiracy theories go this is on a par with some of the worst 9/11 ones. But, hey, he is a BBC journalist “He has won an Emmy and a British Journalist of the Year!” I hope people take what he has to say or write with a huge pinch of salt next time. Compare the case of Kilroy-Silk who was sacked by the BBC for a very very mild rant, that was truthful.
Personally, I think I would prefer the company of a Scientologist than this buffoon. Sweeney has never forgiven Blair that he “endorsed” Putin.
BTW is the BBC on record as saying that it will not negotiate with terrorists (Army of Islam, etc.) or consider the possibility of paying any ransom money whatsoever for the release of their kidnapped journalist in down-town Gaza? No? I too, haven’t heard anything either, and when you think that “their” money is actually ours! I’m sure there are some at Al Beeb who are calculating handing over ransom money and balancing it out with the profits from “exclusives” and later films, as well as the percentage of future book takings, etc.
“Ultraviolets. Great clip on Youtube! ”
… I thought it was very deliberately rubbish. Well thanks anyway!
But how do you know it wasn’t the KGB?
We could go all Humean and say “how do we know anything? All is uncertain.”
As for Alan Johnston, I’ve been propagating the rumour via neo-spamming that he staged his own kidnapping. And of course on the Internet all you have to do is fake news quotes and use an authoritative tone and the morons will believe you and pass the rumour down the line.
Heh heh. That could get me banned.
Plus, didn’t that Film V for Vendetta make you sick?
I mean, as though the conspiracy isn’t in fact the complete opposite of what the film V for Vendetta espouses?
Plus, I dare not read the comments on my video, I’m too scared.
Could you read them for me and tell me if they are good or not?
If you quote them only quote from approving and funny comments.
If you want a picture of the future imagine a copy of the Guardian slapping a human face… forever.
Turks rally against pro-Islamic leaders – Sun May 13,
Photo. http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070513/481/izm11605131433&g=events/wl/042707turkeyelection;_ylt=AoAlA73hojaIFYoWwc9isaAUewgF
If you want to imagine the future:
Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one
“Panorama editor Sandy Smith said he was “disappointed” by Mr Sweeney’s actions. But he also said Scientology was an “extraordinary organisation” and had “no way of dealing with any kind of criticism at all”.
Now, which other organisation does this remind you of?
smallheathen | 14.05.07 – 3:11 pm | #
Er….um….er….Guardian Editorial Board? Nope.
Er….Liberty? Think not.
Um…..Joseph Rowntree Foundation? Nope.
Er…..Respect Party? Nah!
Sorry – give up!
(Am SO enjoying all this John Sweeney stuff!! Just checked and it’s not my birthday – feels like it though!)
I wrote:
“spinner doctors’ tune.”
Yes, I did mean ‘spin doctors’. Must learn to proofread, must learn to proofread, must lea…
ultraviolets:
If you fancy putting together a video to really expose the Beeb, yesterday I uploaded more than 600 high-res JPEGs of newspaper articles on BBC bias to a new file-sharing site. I reckon they’d look pretty good cut together with a few zooms and pans, with plenty of close up tracking shots of headlines with the words “BBC” and “bias” always popping up side by side.
Cut to a good rock track, in the space of just four or five minutes the viewer will have witnessed an utterly compelling message that’ll have Reithy’s veins sticking out of his neck.
In fact, if you make a good job of it, being only five minutes long it would probably be guaranteed to get a showcasing at the next American Film Renaissance conservative film festival. I went to the unaugural festival in September 2004 and became very friendly with the founders Jim and Ellen Hubbard – they’re really nice people.
Blimey, you might end up getting interviewed on Fox and become famous! You might attact a major sponsor for an annual BBC-Bias prize! In a few years’ time there could be millions of kids around the world, hopeful of a place in the finals, cutting together movies on BBC bias!
Check out:
http://www.esnips.com/user/bigstory
With a bit of luck, the BBC will come regret its illegal censorship of my investigation.
JBH
Maybe have Jane Garvey’s 1997 Labour champagne celebrations as a voiceover 🙂
[audio src="http://www.nuhip.com/070510_fivelive.mp3" /]
Jonathan Boyd Hunt | Homepage | 14.05.07 – 7:35 pm | #
Hmm, I may take you up on that Jonathan Bird Hunter.
Perhaps I shall use the music from Romeo and Juliet “‘Montagues and Capulets'”, you may know the piece. And of course a stomping rock track. Or maybe Frank Zappa. Or maybe I could be all serious and stuff.
“Moloud Sihali, previously cleared of taking part in an alleged poison plot, had faced return to his home country.
He said he could face torture if sent back under a controversial deal between the UK and Algerian governments.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6654437.stm
Can anyone tell me why these people “would risk torture” if deported, if they are innocent? It just seems to be card that is played everytime someone wants to stay in Britain at our expense.
“As he fled National Service the best he can hope for is a jail sentence, but as he has been branded a terrorist, it is likely he will suffer worse.”
http://www.noliberties.com/stories_ms.htm
So this is why – it seems that anyone on the run from justice in another country is welcome here. Human Rights – human wrongs.
If you want it done “Proffesional” I can help out too…s’what I do for a living…graphics and film….. 🙂
I’d love to put it to music, but more likley Prodigys “Fire Strarter”….
al-dumbdown:
I’ve already posted up your excellent Jane Garvey piece. You’ll find it together with a (properly credited) transcript here:
http://www.esnips.com/web/BBC-bias-02
ultraviolets:
Go on, go for it. It’ll be brilliant. In five minutes flat it’ll make the case explosively. As for the music, I was thinking myself of Samuel Barber’s deathly “Adagio for Strings” … but then thought about a rock track … but there again, you don’t have to limit yourself to one version…
If you could sketch out the journalistic bones and highlight the most egregious examples of bias for me to narrate I shall be well on the road to making this video.
Plus, if you also have any good bits film from BBCnews24 program I could well use them as well.
Here’s what I have so far
The BBC – An Extremist Organisation
Terrorists = Bombers
Iran = Passover thingy
“If you want it done “Proffesional” I can help out too…s’what I do for a living…graphics and film…..
I’d love to put it to music, but more likley Prodigys “Fire Strarter”….”
Noo! I’m in charge of music! I am a proper musican and everything innit.
Go here:
http://www.myspace.com/thechemicalcinema
The stuff I have uploaded isn’t very representative but oh well. I can write very quickly.
Block 813:
Go for it! Become a hero!
Wonderful stuff.
Can the BBC be believed?
“The British Government has announced a ban on pair trawling in UK waters. The fishing method has been blamed for killings dolphins around our coast.
Fisheries Minister Ben Bradshaw announced the move at the Labour Party conference in Brighton on Monday, 27th September 2004.
The ban will be implemented within the 20km (12mile) limit of the UK’s waters and will mainly affect French and Spanish fishermen.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/outdoors/nature/2004/pair_trawling_banned.shtml
“In 2004 the practice of “pair trawling” was banned for British trawlers within 12 miles of the UK coast.
But other European boats can continue because they are outside the rules.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6654975.stm
So who is banned?
Ultraviolets, Block 813, and anyone that’s taken interest:
I really wasn’t thinking of a narrated film, though such a project would be worthwhile. I was thinking of five minutes tops – it’ll be more powerful I’m sure.
For a pop video, you’ll be able to weigh up the visual merits of each image yourself. Choose the “slideshow” viewing option and when one comes along that you like the look of for its visual impact download it. It won’t take you that long to go through the entire collection.
Whatever, the material is now there for anyone to use as they see fit, whether to make a pop video, produce a documentary, construct an argument, whatever suits.
Gotta go chaps.
I’m loving this John “Straitjacket” Sweeney stuff!
Pi**ed up Millwall fans look positively benign compared to that ranting idiot.
Any London based B-BBC Bloggers fancy a pint tomorrow evening?
I will be passing through town from France enroute Jo’burg.
I frequently meet with my (likeminded) mates at: The Antelope, on Eaton Terrace (Off Sloane Square)
Anyone here is welcome to join us.
Thank god for the internet and cable TV
Its worth commenting every now and again not just on the BBCs obvious and blantent PARTY political bias. But also just quite how completly useless it has become in reporting the news generally.
I have just chanced apon FRANCE 24. In a brief factual and non bias way I was actually informed of what is going on in the world.
See JR, it can be done and by a nationally owned broadcaster as well. That is if that is what that broadcaster is interested in doing anymore.
But as all of us know here, this is not what the BBC does or even attemps to do these days. Its too busy trying to help Gordon Brown and his chums stay in power long enough to change Britain forever.
FRANCE 24 is great.
I quickly found out about riots in Tunisia, elections in the Phillapines, Muslim violence in Pakistan and several other places and much more. Ending up with statements from Rice and Putin. It even topped it all off with a world weather report.
The net cost to me was as close to zero as makes no odds.
Far from being the envy of the world the BBC is a national news broadcasting embarrasment of 3.5 billion pound proportions.
All we get is tax payers hard earned cash spent/wasted on 100s of BBC scumbag reporters and back up crews to go swanning around Portugal for two weeks on my mothers pension money, reporting what exactly?
While the world seems to be going up in ROP inspired flames.
“The effects of climate change could make at least one billion people homeless between now and 2050, says the charity Christian Aid.”
“The report’s main author, John Davison, says we hear a lot about people trying to come to European and other rich countries, but the real crisis is developing a long way away and remains little recognised.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6652573.stm
And what is John Davisons qualifications on the effects of “cilmate change”? How does he know all this? Is he a Mystic Meg?
“Head of Media Division / News Editor – John Davison joined Christian Aid from The Independent where he worked on the news, comment and foreign desks and was defence correspondent. Has worked for The Sunday Times and as a freelance magazine writer.”
http://www.christian-aid.org.uk/news/media/contacts.htm
Another ex-hack who knows all about climate change.
“Jon:
“The effects of climate change could make at least one billion people homeless between now and 2050, says the charity Christian Aid.”
“The report’s main author, John Davison, says we hear a lot about people trying to come to European and other rich countries, but the real crisis is developing a long way away and remains little recognised.”
It appears that any special interest organisation or charity can now get the unquestioning ear of the BBC simply by issuing a ‘report’ or ‘new research’
Whatever the merits of the content of these reports, this process is little more than free publicity for the charity concerned, masquerading as ‘news’ (provided, of course, that the charity/interest group in question is in tune with BBC received wisdom).
Garry.
It is the same with Canvas in Belgium which is also very good public TV.
And as much as I sympathise with the plight of the little girl in Portugal, only Al Beeb could reduce it down to a farce. I herd a comment on Dutch Radio that the coverage from Al Beeb has been voyeuristic and over the top.
It also shows what a sensible bunch the Portuguese Police are when it comes to press handling,prahapes a few of our Met friends could learn a thing or two about loose tongues…..