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A few summers ago I recall Al Beeb giving voice to the many calls that the devestation of New Orleans was Allah’s just retribution for the evils of Boosh … so what is this all about then?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6252588.stm
Lots more to come out about this new attempted bomb outrage in London so much of what the BBC and others do say is little more that speculation, perhaps in some cases informed speculation though I have my doubts that Farouq Gardener would reach ‘informed’.
Interesting that though Farouq (and probably others) have mentioned Iraq which is clearly speculation no such mention has been made for Rushdie and Pakistan after a direct threat for this was made only days ago.
Either would still likely be Al Qaeda or their hangers on.
I’m not saying its so but we’re talking speculation and the heart of theatre and literary land would appear in some ways the obvious target, I wonder if Salman actually lives round there.
Still it wouldn’t suit the BBC agenda so no speculation there then…
indigenous:
The war in Brazil
Not in Iraq Not Allied soldiers Not Iraqi civilians Not on the BBC TV News
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/ ar…070620173355417
indigenous | 29.06.07 – 11:21 am | #
Actually there was a long report on the Ten last night about this. You can find it all here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6247608.stm
HAVE OUR SAY
“Tony Blair didn’t succeed in giving Arabs their rights when he was a prime minister. Will he now? – Abu Burjes, Jordan”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/default.stm
At Al Beeb we say, Be patient brother Abu Burjes, for Allah has granted us a new deliverer of a just Muslim Foreign policy his eminence Al Brooun (PBUH) Indeed.
“All options, including the Irish, are open at this stage,” said the source.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/62…/uk/ 6252276.stm
pounce | 29.06.07 – 9:45 am | #
I see that phrase is not now on that story, so I don’t know what the context was. But my first impression was that it was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, knowing a certain other word beginning with ‘I’ would not have been reported by the BBC.
Mustn’t rush to judgment. The international element could be the Provisional Zen Buddhists after all.
You see they can do it on their own
BBC Worldwide announced record profits of £111.1 million before tax, up 24 per cent on last year • and twice as much as the £55.2 million achieved in 2004-05.
But then again, assured tax revenues of £3bn pa may make it easier & cheaper to arrange this –
The BBC’s commercial arm wants to use its £350 million borrowing facility to buy television production and magazine businesses in key international markets, as part of a plan to double profits over five years.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2002773.ece
what the BBC and others do say is little more that speculation, perhaps in some cases informed speculation though I have my doubts that Farouq Gardener would reach ‘informed’.
Is it true that Farouq ended up in a wheel chair while doing a shoot for Cooking in the Danger Zone: Saudi Edition … first Farooq and now Al Johnston …. what is it with the Al Beebs Foreign correspondants and run-ins with the adhearents of the RoP?
Al Beeb journalists must eradicate the clear Zionist bias in their reporting.
Mark Thompson, the BBC Director-General, quietly admitted this week that he’d always wondered whether the BBC could make money from a “voluntary licence fee”. No, before you get too excited, not from us Brits, but from the folks overseas, expats and culture-starved Americans, who might be willing to pay for the BBC’s services
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2002516.ece
Have your say: What fuels anti-americanism?
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Sky news has a video of scotland yard asking for information. I couldn’t find it at the bbc.
POTENTIALLY VIABLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICE
wa as saaalam ul alikem brothers …
Khatoon Jaqki was just on Al Beeb … “whats clear is a potentially viable explosive device was discovered in the early hours of this morning” ….
WTF is a ‘potentially viable’ explosive device? How many unviable explosive devices has the government come accross?
This all begs the question, when will Imam Brooun’s adopt Foreign policy as part of a true Islamic government!
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/643629.stm
only this can lead to a potentially viable Palestinian State (I.e. one Islamic State in all of historic Palestine!? ) … anything less will not be viable! and will not give the rights of the Arabs to them …
Al Beeb reporter Khanum Jooun we now understand … the ambulance crew called to the Tiger Tiger ladies nights (the slags) saved hundreds and possibly thousands of lives …. 1000s of lives … now thats what I call a viable bomb!
Paul Reynolds accuses Miliband of being a Joo.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6248508.stm
But there are also pluses:
it allows him the freedom to criticise Israel, as he has done, without being accused of anti-Semitism.
Criticising Israel; a key component British foreign policy. Think of the possibilities.
it allows him the freedom to criticise Israel, as he has done, without being accused of anti-Semitism.
That’s on par with “I can’t be an antisemite; some of my best friends are Jews!”
Paul Reynolds has obviously never come across antisemitic Jews like Michael Rosen, Gilad Atzmon, or Naom Chomsky, to name but four.
max:
Paul Reynolds accuses Miliband of being a Joo.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne…ics/ 6248508.stm
A Joo! … A Jooo! 2 dhimmi “court Joos” in the Cabinet! OUTRAGEOUS!
Thats two too many! Emir Abu Mallokh will soon sort them out … a sharpened simitar awaits them … Inshallah.
Peace be upon you all.
Further, Gardner was at great pains to mention a similarity with Iraq, just to make sure that the viewer makes the connection – its ‘cos of the war.
As several posters have pointed out al beeb is trying to play up a ‘connection’ between the bomb and the Iraq war in a kind of pre-emptive piece of spin. They totally gloss over why the war in Iraq would lead to an attack on London night club goers. Someone should remind them the Bali nightclub bombing happened well before the war in Iraq. As usual al beeb doesn’t or rather refuses to understand the Islamist mind set.
IRAQ OR DA SLAGS
salam ul aliekum
As Farooq Gardner so rightly points out to us on Al Beeb … no doubt our evil Foreign policy must be taken into account in trying to understand why decent peace loving men would be force to take such steps …. but here at the MCB … we are forming the view that the blessed attempt could have been caused by the large number of slags prevalent in our towns and cities. Verifly as brother Ahmed (PBUH) has so wisely said …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1783457,00.html
“What about easy stuff where you don’t need no experience and nothing, and you could get a job, yeah, like for example the biggest nightclub in central London where no one can even turn round and say ‘oh they were innocent’ those slags dancing around?”
The BBC shd get their “narrative” sorted: is this potentially viable device the work of the Irish, or has it got something to do with Iraq? I’d really like to know… (as long as it doesn’t mean offending muslims of course)
Those inhuman, humiliating checkpoints and “Palestinians”:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6254230.stm
Soldiers have fired on Palestinian protesters.., killing one person and injuring about 20, according to witnesses and hospital officials.
The Palestinians were trying to break through a checkpoint to get back to their homes…
Witnesses said soldiers fired in the air above the heads of the demonstrators. When the crowd did not disperse, the troops fired automatic rifles at the protesters.
They are people who fled or were forced to leave their homes when Israel was created in 1948, or their descendants.
Ooops, wrong country, wrong troops… move along, nothing to see here… the UN will be condemning the troops anytime now…
… standby… condemnation coming soon…
Max
Paul Reynolds accuses Miliband of being a Joo.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne…ics/ 6248508.stm
Paul Reynolds’ opening paragraph – a classic example of BBC priorities; will the new Foreign Secretary stick it to Israel and the United States? Can he ‘tell it like it is’ without being accused of being anti-semitic? Oh yes he can – because he’s JEWISH!!
So our Paul (it’s a long time since you ventured over here!) reveals that in his opinion, what needs to be said to the US and Israel is hostile enough to attract the accusation of being anti-semitic. What a surprise. A BBC correspondent who thinks Israel needs a good dressing down.
And then there’s Paul’s fearless analysis of Mark Malloch Brown’s appointment. He was critical of the Bush administration. So he will clearly be a GOOD THING.
Did you leave anything out there, Paul? Anything about Malloch Brown’s denial of the demonstrable haemorrhage of UN monies on his watch, for instance? Or his defence of the UN over the Oil for Food scandal. I won’t go on. Melanie Phillips has done this so much better than I could. You can read it here, Paul.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1567
But hey, what does this matter. For a journalist suffering from BBC-knee-jerk syndrome, these appointments will be a welcome change.
Tell it like it is eh, Paul?
Biodegradababble:
Paul Reynolds has obviously never come across antisemitic Jews like Michael Rosen, Gilad Atzmon, or Naom Chomsky, to name but four.
Not Reynolds; not the rest of us.
Only you and that handful of people who wilfully confuse criticism of the Israeli state with anti-semitic prejudice..
Biodegradable: Some of his best friends aren’t Muslims.
bob:
The BBC shd get their “narrative” sorted: is this potentially viable device the work of the Irish, or has it got something to do with Iraq? I’d really like to know… (as long as it doesn’t mean offending muslims of course)
bob | 29.06.07 – 2:53 pm |
If you pay close heed to the words of Farooq Gardner of Arabia and other great analysts at Al Beeb you will see bob that this is clearly the work of outraged Irish/ETA militants-civic activists who are fed up to their back teeth about our evil Foreign policy in Iraq and Afganistan and Palestine. This year alone British warplanes have killed no less than 800,000 believers in these countries … and to top it all off our cities are crammed with sluts and slags who instead of studying the holy quran spend their nights getting drunk.
When O when will we learn!
Fran:
So our Paul (it’s a long time since you ventured over here!) reveals that in his opinion, what needs to be said to the US and Israel is hostile enough to attract the accusation of being anti-semitic.
Not necessarily… anyone who ventures any criticism of Israel is open to that accusation in many places, as our permanently-outraged colleague Biodegradabble regularly attests.
Only you and that handful of people who wilfully confuse criticism of the Israeli state with anti-semitic prejudice..
Biodegradable: Some of his best friends aren’t Muslims.
hillhunt | 29.06.07 – 3:19 pm
You obviously don’t know who Gilad Atzmon is.
Chomsky has openly supported Hamas in it’s intentions to destroy the state of Israel, but I guess for you that’s merely “criticism of the Israeli state”.
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/05/26/gilad_atzmon_and_sue_blackwell.php
Sir Iqbal says
Why is everyone jumping to conclusions!?
It may well be this lot are responsible for the Haymarket bomb, must contact Al Beeb!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2103698,00.html
criticism of the Israeli state
Hillhunt: “tell me what we’re discussing and I’ll disagree with you.”
Magistrate faces disciplinary action for refusing to deal with defendant in a veil:
Comment: “Would any judge or magistrate try a defendant that was wearing a hood over their head or a mask? If the answer to that is no then the same must hold for veil wearing persons.
There is no religous reason for wearing those veils, it’s purely cultural. Lets get one thing straight, this is Britain and if you choose to live in this country you are expected to abide by its laws and regulations. If you do not like the laws and regulations in this country then please leave and live in a country that supports your beliefs.
The magistrate was correct in his decision and should not be punished for using common sense. The law should not be bending to the ridiculous P.C. brigade”.
PHOTO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465138&in_page_id=1770
“It is feared the attack is the work of Al Qaeda militants, who plotted a similar attack on the capital’s Ministry of Sound nightclub and Bluewater shopping centre. The British-born Al Qaeda gang was jailed last month”.
Al Qaeda suspected of ‘massive’ bomb attack on London nightclub
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465068&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
Iain Infidel:
The magistrate was correct in his decision and should not be punished for using common sense.
Damn right. Oh, wait. What’s this bit you didn’t bother quoting….
A statement from Manchester Magistrate court issued yesterday said: “Mr Murray is concerned about questions of identity when the full veil is worn in court. However, he agrees he acted unwisely in disqualifying himself without giving reasons.
“Mr Murray is supportive of those of different faiths and cultural traditions and acknowledges and regrets his action could be misinterpreted.”
More waste and dodgy dealing at the BBC:
“MPs rap BBC over Siemens deal”
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/06/29/pac_bbc_siemens/
It is possible that the car bomb was being driven down the Haymarket to be parked near Whitehall or Westminster.
A witness is said to have seen smoke coming from the car. The driver had crash-parked it and run off, perhaps because he thought it was about to explode.
This is all just speculation, but a political target seems more likely than a nightclub, in this particular week. Islamic terrorists are more likely suspects than Irish Republicans, at this stage.
Hillhunt
Why would Paul Reynolds note Milliband’s Jewish roots in this context unless he thinks that Milliband ought to be giving Israel a good dressing down?
There were plenty of members of the Labour Party (and other parties) who criticised israel during last year’s Hezbollah war, and I don’t remember any serious commentators • politicians who support Israel, for example • attributing their remarks to anti-semitism.
As for the “Any criticism of Israel means you’re anti-semitic, so shut up!” accusation – Israel’s opponents use the “Zionists play the race card to silence those who criticize Israel!” argument quite as much.
And it’s just as daft.
Last summer we were told not to flush the loo, because of global warming. This summer we are told half of Yorkshire has been flushed down the pan – because of global warming. If the drought don’t get you, it seems, the deluge will.
As if the weather was not bad enough, we now have to endure a flood of intellectual silt about how overflowing rivers are retribution for rising man-made carbon levels.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article2002693.ece
I have just torn myself away from the factual and accurate BBC TV NEWS 24 coverage of the Haymarket bomb. How I smirked when I caught a glimpse of a BBC petticoat, the female presenter informing the world that the “METROPOLITAN FORCE” was..
The poor Metropolitan Police Service, all that time and effort into changing their name into a new touchy feely service not force and the BBC still calls the MPS the METROPOLITAN FORCE!
The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) is the name currently used by the territorial police force which is responsible for Greater London
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Service
indigenous:
How I smirked when I caught a glimpse of a BBC petticoat, the female presenter
Do I detect the slightest difficulty taking women seriously?
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1272910,00.html
Sky News sources say one of the first police officers on the scene of the London West End car bomb may have saved dozens of lives by diffusing the explosives before the bomb squad arrived.
It is believed the quick-thinking cop recognised that the car was wired to blow up, jumped in and disconnected the trigger device, thought to be a mobile phone.
This backs up an eye-witness account of a police officer briefly entering the metallic green Mercedes before running for cover.
On the Editors blog in relation to the BBC’s political coverage:
* At 11:13 PM on 28 Jun 2007,
* Patrick Higgins wrote:
I want to complain about today’s coverage of the appointment of the new cabinet. Your editors and correspondents show a great deal of ignorance of constitutional practice and history. The most absurd error concerns the presence of two brothers in the cabinet. This happened twice in the twentieth century. The internet story reports the Chamberlains who were both members of the cabinet between November 1924 and June 1929. The internet story suggests ‘both’ went on to lead the Conservative Party in fact Austen had been Leader 1921-22 and Neville became Leader 1937-40. There is, however, a later example of brothers serving in cabinet. Indeed it was under Neville Chamberlain who by appointing Lord Stanley to the cabinet as Dominions Secretary on 16 May 1938 created the situation as Oliver Stanley, Lord Stanley was already a cabinet minister (President of the Board of Trade). Your commentators also keep saying that Lord Chancellors have always been peers, wrong: Sir Thomas More was Lord Chancellor and he was not a peer. There is also a suggestion that it is a novelty for ministers not in the cabinet to attend cabinet when their portfolio is discussed but this has been happening throughout the twentieth century. All these ‘facts’ can be easily checked but your highly paid editors and correspondents do not seem check anything they say. At one stage Jon Sopel was claiming after the cabinet had been announced that nobody had kept the same portfolio, forgetting Des Browne at Defence. Why do we have to tolerate this ignorance ?”
Here Here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/06/bbc_in_the_news_thursday_56.html#commentsanchor
Have you heard of Alan Johnstone? Have you heard of
Gilad Shalit, Ehud Goldwasser, and Eldad Regev?
The Rally on July 16th to help free the 3 Kidnapped Israeli Soldiers will be held in close proximity to the United Nations Headquarters in New York.
http://giladshalit.blogspot.com/
More to the point has the BBC?
New London Terror Foiled: Reaping What They’ve Sewn in Britain;
Time for another edition of “Guess the Religion.”
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/06/new_london_terr.html
hillhunt
I can take anybody seriously when they get their facts right. If a female police Officer called her employer on air the METROPOLITAN FORCE she would be sent for re-training.
As for women who take THEMSELVES seriously read this
The head of the Government’s fertility watchdog was under pressure last night to resign after raids on the clinics of Britain’s most successful IVF doctor were ruled unlawful, leaving the regulator facing a legal bill that could exceed £1 million.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article2002492.ece
Ms McNab was not available for comment.
The raid was HEADLINE news on the BBC.
Sir Iqbal Says
Salam
We will never be safe in this country until we withdraw all our troops for Iraq and Afganistan, declare war on the Holocaust Hoaxters (who are Apes and Pigs), close non Islamic institutions, increase the TV licence, and adopt Sharia law.
Now its time for Juma prayers
Peace be Upon You
hillhunt:
I forgot to mention that my report card includes the comment “Does not suffer fools gladly”
Keep your distance.
indigenous:
As for women who take THEMSELVES seriously read this
Good grief. You really do have trouble with women….
indigenous: said
“As if the weather was not bad enough, we now have to endure a flood of intellectual silt about how overflowing rivers are retribution for rising man-made carbon levels.”
Nothing to do with CO2 as usual the MMGW idiots are talking rubbish.
The real reason is.
“Critics of urban planning say it should come as no surprise that two of the residential areas in the region worst affected by Monday’s heavy rain • Catcliffe, near Rotherham, and Kingswood in Hull • were built on flood plains.
Both sites have again proved extremely vulnerable, causing misery to residents and prompting frantic and costly attempts to evacuate them from their homes.”
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news?articleid=2988737
“Hundreds of thousands of homes are at risk of flooding because developers have been allowed to “pave over” flood plains despite repeated warnings, it has been claimed.
Ministers were told by the Environment Agency after the devastating floods of Easter 1998 that developments in flood-risk areas were responsible for much of the damage.
Since then, environmentalists and the insurance industry have repeatedly sounded the alarm.”
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464806&in_page_id=1770
hillhunt:
Google “BBC women” and this is what you get –
BBC – Health – Womens healthNHS Women’s Health Specialist Library · Sign up here for your free health newsletter. The BBC is not responsible for content on external websites …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/womens_health/ – 30k – Cached – Similar pages
BBC – Radio 4 – Woman’s Hour HomepageBBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour on the web – listen again, drama, interviews and features.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/ – 28k – 27 Jun 2007 – Cached – Similar pages
[ More results from http://www.bbc.co.uk ]
BBC NEWS | In Depth | women in businessVisit BBC News for up-to-the-minute news, breaking news, video, audio and feature stories. BBC News provides trusted World and UK news as well as local and …
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/ business/2002/women_in_business/ – 45k – Cached – Similar pages
BBC NEWS | Africa | Women demand end to Darfur rapesInternational stateswomen join in demanding an end to rape and sexual violence in Sudan’s Darfur region.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6165017.stm – 52k – Cached – Similar pages
[ More results from news.bbc.co.uk ]
Monday: BBC Radio covers women in podcasting at contentious.comOn Monday, March 13, the BBC Radio 4 program Women’s Hour will be covering the topic of women in podcasting. It’ll be a panel discussion, with audio clips …
http://www.contentious.com/archives/2006/ 03/09/monday-bbc-radio-covers-women-in-podcasting/ – 13k – Cached – Similar pages
How women are ruining the BBC, by Sir Patrick Moore | the Daily MailThe BBC has been ruined by women producing ‘terrible programmes’, according to Sir Patrick Moore.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/ showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=453392&in_page_id=1773 – 27 Jun 2007 – Similar pages
fran:
Why would Paul Reynolds note Milliband’s Jewish roots in this context unless he thinks that Milliband ought to be giving Israel a good dressing down?
Perhaps because there is a significant constituency in the Labour Party who have been deeply frustrated with Blair’s refusal to confront American failures in foreign policy, and who believe the UK needs to put more pressure on Israel.
Sir Iqbal Notes
That unlike SkyNews which has taken the disgraceful, spiteful, and biased act of blatantly displaying the Police Terrorist Hotline Number:0800 789 321. The praise worthy Al Beeb has once again proven that its coverage is unbiased and even handed by not displaying brutal Police propaganda .. verily this is most praiseworthy.
peace be with you
PS All Troop/Police movements of the Occupation forces of London should be reported/posted here.
“Blair’s refusal to confront American failures in foreign policy”
Ah so you must be from the BBC or the Socialist Workers Party
It is also not up to Paul Reynolds to judge anyone on percieved failures whether they are true or not. If he is then that is bias
indigenous:
How women are ruining the BBC, by Sir Patrick Moore | the Daily Mail The BBC has been ruined by women producing ‘terrible programmes’, according to Sir Patrick Moore.
The day anyone takes Sir Patrick seriously on anything except the night sky is the day we slip into a national coma…
Sir Iqbal says
When is Emir Brooun going to get off his fat ass and visit and pay his respects to flood victims? He is highly insensitive to those suffering in the flood stricken regions as can be seen here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6252588.stm
Jon:
It is also not up to Paul Reynolds to judge anyone on percieved failures whether they are true or not. If he is then that is bias
Er, no. What he’s entitled to do is to reflect in his reporting the desire in the Labour Party (and elsewhere) for a foreign policy at a distance from Dubya’s; to take at face value Brown’s promises of change….