General BBC-related comment thread:

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  1. simon says:

    John Reith,

    The RUSI report is on the front page of msnbc.com. The headline reads: “Multicultural UK vulnerable to terror?”

    All you have to do is go to msnbc.com, and you will see the headline staring you in the face.

    If you go to the main page of bbc.co.uk you will find nothing about the report. If you then click to UK news, you will still find nothing about the report. If you click further to “England” news, you find nothing. You have to know to go to the politics page to find it. That doesn’t exactly make it breaking news. But it’s breaking news in the U.S. Why do you suppose the BBC doesn’t think it merits front page news?

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  2. George R says:

    Does the BBC have any clue where its ‘multiculturalism’ is leading British society? The example of the city of Amsterdam gives some idea, in this piece at Lawrence Auster’s site:

    “Muslim city workers in Amsterdam don’t have to shake women’s hands”

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009925.html

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  3. jimbob says:

    i can’t see the report at all now.

    i can see this
    though

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7246812.stm

    al beeb has taken the trouble to tell us that the soldier beheading outrage was planned by a non practising muslim.

    the beeboid logic presumably is “see! told you that it was the ROP!”

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  4. Sproggett says:

    “Gordon Brown is to call for a “contract” giving poor families extra benefits in exchange for taking up skills training.”

    Ah, how lovely.

    An alternative take on this might be:

    “Gordon Brown is to call for paying cash bribes to chavs if they avoid getting nicked for a year.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7246111.stm

    ‘For the Tories, Chris Grayling said Mr Brown was “chasing headlines”.’

    And guess what? Yes, this is the headline story in the BBC’s Politics section.

    No proposals and policies – just aspirations. Yet he still bags a headline.

    Result!

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  5. It's all too much says:

    Funny how this

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7246468.stm

    is nicely hidden away on the BBC Views web page (england/London). It is a big story – Jasper is suspended (despite Comrade L stating two days ago that there was not a shred of evidence against him)

    The BBC offering seems to be a barely edited Comrade Livingstone press release. Throughout this process and in stark contract to C4, the BBC has devoted little or no time to covering the antics of the ‘much loved’ Commissar of London only his increasingly off the wall, arrogant and self aggrandising pronouncements seem to filter through to the web page and the BBC London coverage.

    Given that 8 million (plus three million “unknowns”) live and vote in London couldn’t the BBC do a bit of its own investigative journalism rather than ignoring the glaring problems that have arisen from the Nulab inspired one man unaccountable executive?

    Come the day that, say, Mr Johnson wins I would confidently expect to see a radically different policy and priority attached to coverage of the actions of the London Mayor

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  6. Anonymous says:

    These bits concern me

    “Brixton Base received £280,000 from the LDA to pay rent, even though the LDA is its landlord. It also received £230,000 to stage three short courses in arts.”

    76 GRAND per arts course?! Wish my company had that kind of training budget.

    I sincerely hope the gap in the accounts is just down to inadequate book keeping or other innocent oversight.

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  7. Lance says:

    John Reith:
    Martin | 15.02.08 – 10:13 am

    The BBC is in no sense biased against RUSI.

    In fact, BBC World presenter Nik Gowing sits on RUSI’s governing council.
    John Reith | 15.02.08 – 11:26 am | #

    ‘Nik Gowing sits on RUSI’s governing council’.

    Why?

    And where is the RUSI report on the BBC’s site?

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  8. Lance says:

    Atlas shrugged:
    What I mean by sort your heads out is this.

    A large number of contributors to this blog seen to believe that our problem is our Muslim brothers. Which I find deeply offensive and dare I say it RACIST?

    You and your brotherhood nonsense are deeply offensive and SEXIST. See, you are just like the BBC.

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  9. Lance says:

    John Reith:
    Dr R | 15.02.08 – 11:30 am |

    by making it almost invisible within the website…

    It’s the number 2 featured story (complete with pic and flannel panel) on the politics front page.
    John Reith | 15.02.08 – 11:37 am | #

    It’s news. Is it on the NEWS site? that’s where I look. I don’t know the politics front page.

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  10. Atlas shrugged says:

    Lance you forget I am an individual ordinary person not a corporation steeling your money and wrecking your life.

    What pray is nonsense about about brotherhood of any description?

    Also why do you think that because I mention that feminism is promoted by the BBC that feminism is a bad thing?

    This is not the point I am a libertarian and a TRUE conservative. which is an increasingly rare thing it seems otherwise you would understand everything I have said, even if you disagree with it. You dont disagree you just dont understand.

    As a man of liberty I reserve the right to have an independent thought in my head. But what bothers me is that these things are imposed on people from the top down instead of coming from the bottom up.

    Feminism is not imposed and promoted for the good of women. To me their lives have never been worse more stressful and less rewarding. You may believe otherwise, that is your right.

    It does not change the fact that it is propagated by a ruling elite for their good not yours or womens or any other ordinary persons.

    the reason why feminism is promoted by the ruling elite is to reduce the population make increasingly impossible the tradition family life. Sell products and create a compliant work force capable of being lead by the nose, with no support possible from a womans or mans extended family.

    This is not paranoia it is part of plans set down by our ruling elite many years ago.

    And an absolute no about me being the same as the BBC as far as Muslims are concerned with nobs on. You obviously did not read my comments properly.

    The BBC does not like Muslims any more then it likes you or me. It just wants to cause division and you my friend are a perfect example of the BBC success.

    They have found your racist itch and you are scratching it. In short they are winding you up and it is working a treat.

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  11. Lance says:

    John Reith:
    Dr R | 15.02.08 – 12:08 pm

    It got bumped off the UK top stories by one about threatened intelligence cuts. It’s STILL number 2 on the Politics front page.

    Oscar/spinner

    Conservative community cohesion spokesman Lady Warsi

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po…ics/ 7020848.stm
    Lord Ahmed must be the spokeswoman, then…

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  12. Sproggett says:

    The BBC has now updated its article on Gordon Brown’s “plans to give extra benefits to members of poor families”. It is still the headline on the Politics page.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7246111.stm

    The article does not tell me where I can find details of these plans which, the article says, the PM “set out” in his speech to the Welsh Labour Party conference.

    Can anyone tell me where these plans are?

    No. This is a rehash of the earlier article in which Brown merely tells us what he might or might not do. Elements of Opportunity NYC, you see, might be imported into Britain. Or they might not be imported into Britain.

    But the BBC has – in its headline no less – told us that the PM has “set out plans”, even though there are, er, no apparent plans yet.

    What was that about ‘chasing headlines’?

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  13. Lance says:

    King Henry II:
    Another sloppy peice of value loaded journalism from Matt Frie

    If you think he is bad, you should see justin Webb…probably his boss.

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  14. Anonymous says:

    Life expectancy for a Muslim living in Israel:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7247679.stm

    I wonder how many Jews would reach that age living in Hamastan or Fatahland?

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  15. random says:

    The article blatantly lies as well. The evidence for the lie is within the same article.

    “An internal inquiry had already cleared Mr Jasper of any wrongdoing” cannot be true if “The report said it did not have the power to look at claims private individuals took money from organisations to which the LDA had given funds” and so “It [presumably the LDA] has referred these allegations to the police to investigate”. The report did not clear him of wrongdoing, it just did not find any within its own remit, but also found that wrongdoing might have occurred that the report had no remit to investigate.

    So why lie, BBC?

    Any ideas, John Reith?

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  16. Lance says:

    Atlas shrugged: A large number of contributors to this blog seen to believe that our problem is our Muslim brothers. Which I find deeply offensive and dare I say it RACIST?

    Atlas shrugged:
    They have found your racist itch and you are scratching it. In short they are winding you up and it is working a treat.
    …….

    The only person winding me up is you with your baseless allegation of racism against me – and others – which has nothing to do with the BBC or reality. I refuse to enter into discussion with anyone who attempts that smear. So take it elsewhere.

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  17. Cassandra says:

    BBC propaganda collective,

    How far down the road of madness and hatred are you(BBC)willing to travel in your desire to promote the AGW/MMCC fantasy?
    “THE WAR ON CLIMATE CHANGE”
    How long before some brightspark at the BBC comes up with a film that portrays ‘deniers’ as rats in a sewer?
    Do you retarded fools even realise what you are doing is evil?

    ‘First they came for the deniers’… ring any bells with you BBC retards?

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  18. blankfrank says:

    Lance:
    I refuse to enter into discussion with anyone who attempts that smear. So take it elsewhere.
    —————————————–
    Quite right too. I get fairly exasperated by those idiots who try to deflect any critique of Islam by applying the label ‘racist’ to those who point out the true nature of the ROP.

    So just for the record “Islam is NOT a race”. Do you see now how it works? If religion did equal race, then the BBC, with its constant sneering and belittling of Christianity has been guilty of racism for years…

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  19. bob says:

    Lance, Blankfrank:
    havn’t your cottoned on yet? Nobody actually READS Atlas’ posts! They’re there simply to give you trackdown exercise!

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  20. Mr Anon says:

    lol cassandra, then they came for the gas guzzlers, then the patio heater users, and by the time they came for me there was no-one left to speak out

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  21. Stuck-Record says:

    It was (and arguably still is) the most important story of the last 24 hours; the Prime Minister being called personally accountable for the deaths of British soldiers, but where is it now on the Beeb website?

    Relegated to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7247105.stm
    beds/bucks and Herts news!!!

    The main page story has been replaced with a Q&A that neatly (and repulsively) follows the meme the Government issued yesterday, “…don’t worry, that was the past, it’s all sorted now, nothing to see, move along…”

    And best of all, following the Beeb’s usual commitment to public feedback there is NO DHYS debate thread. Obviously it’s a lot less important than: Are polyclinics the best way forward? and Should the UK invest in space exploration?

    Pathetic.

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  22. Oscar says:

    When is it OK for the Today programme to use the term “fuzzy wuzzies”?

    Answer: When attempting to smear Boris Johnson by inventing racist remarks for him. While normally the BBC would be the first to condemn any use of such a term no matter the context, they cheerfully bandied it about this morning in their “spoof” report imagining Britain’s human rights record for the 2012 Olympics. Of course it would be inconceivable to have a Labour government responsible for such a thing so in this fantasty “PM Boris Johnson” is presiding over “ten year detention without charge” (despite Conservative opposition to Labour’s detention plans). Boris then embarrasses the nation by using the term “fuzzy wuzzies”. This was straight out of the Ken Livingstone book of how to smear Boris – make out he’s a racist. Eleven weeks before the mayoral election the BBC are happy to aid their chum (and of course obliterate any reference to Lee Jasper and corruption) with this outrageous invented smear – pretending it’s all just a ‘joke’. And whatever happened to their pious denunciations of using this kind of language? Up in smoke (like all their principles) when it comes to promoting their political agenda. As many people have commented it’s wrong to call the BBC ‘liberal’. They have no principles other than their preserving their own power and their palpable tribalism. In this respect they are the political equivalent of football hooligans.

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  23. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    It’s Contrast & Compare time!

    Blast kills senior Gaza militant
    An Islamic Jihad spokesman accused Israel of targeting the house in an air strike, and vowed revenge.

    Israel said it had no knowledge of a raid being carried out on the area.

    Officials from Hamas, the Islamist party which last year seized the Gaza Strip from the secular Fatah party of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said the cause of the blast was unclear.

    Abu Ahmed, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad’s armed wing, told Reuters news agency that the group would avenge “this Zionist massacre” and “strike the enemy everywhere”.

    Israel has been responding to rocket fire from Gaza with tough military action. In less than three months more than 150 Palestinians – mainly militants – have been killed.

    Bureij is the smallest but most densely populated of eight refugee camps in the Gaza Strip.

    Terrorist leader killed in Gaza blast
    Islamic Jihad claimed Israeli warplanes hit the house in an air strike, and added that the group would carry out reprisal attacks against Israel. But Hamas said the cause of the blast was not clear, and the IDF, which regularly takes responsibility for attacks on Gaza terrorists, denied any involvement.

    Witnesses reported seeing fragments of what looked like locally-produced rockets at the scene, suggesting the house may have been used to store arms.

    Leaving out the bits we don’t like: it’s what we do!

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  24. David says:

    Oscar – that sounds astounding. May I ask what programme it was on so I can catch it for myself?

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  25. point of order says:

    Over on order-order.com the ever watchful Mr F has brought us this news of yet another cock-up in the… news.

    Newsnight Reports St Valentine’s Day Massacre (That Never Happened)

    Newsnight just doesn’t do business reporting very well. Guido suspects this is because they are neither interested in, or sympathetic to business. They would much rather review some new feminist state-subsidised play than the FTSE 100’s profitability. The saga of the BBC’s flagship current affairs programme being repeatedly unable even to report the market closing price correctly has been pointed out by Guido before. Peter Barron told us after the last multi-day FTSE fiasco “I despair! We are having a complete revision of the way we collect and check the markets information.”

    On Valentines Day Newsnight reported (above) another bad day in the markets, off 80 points or nearly one and half percent down. Time for a stiff whiskey nightcap before examining your stock portfolio in the morning?

    No. It was down 0.8 points, some 0.000136%, which is what market experts call “flat”. Stephanie Flanders, Newsnight’s economics editor, said after the last time this happened that it was “unforgivable and embarrassing”. Clearly it was forgivable because it was announced yesterday that she has been promoted and will now be the BBC’s chief economics editor.

    As one of his usually well informed commenters observed:

    Clearly this was a transcription error, but it does show that not a single journalist or editor follows the markets through the day. Someone should have realised and said “err, it was a sideways day today, are you sure that number is right?”

    That they repeatedly haven’t got a clue about the market direction or even know if the market is open or closed (they have reported market moves on days when the market was shut, not reported on days when the market is open and once claimed the FX market was closed – there is no single FX marketplace as such).

    They just don’t have the foggiest idea. CBNC or Bloomberg TV if you really need to know. Randall on Sky is at least pro-business, the BBC culture is anti-business, that is why their business reporting is so crap and ill-informed.
    trust lawyer @11:34

    So there you have it. Millions of pounds a year & the people who should be the program’s most avid watchers can’t trust its output. Who do they make the new economics editor? A woman who has never held down a financially related job in her life.

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  26. point of order says:

    Actually, it has occurred to me that Guido may be a bit harsh on the BBC & particularly Stephanie Flanders.
    Looking at yesterday’s markets it seems that the nearly hundred point fall was the truth after all. They just got it a day early. Full marks for prescience.
    I wonder if I could get her to take a look through my portfolio………

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  27. John Reith spins in his grave says:

    I heard Matt Frei on Toady this AM, trying to extract a bit more mileage from his exclusive with George Bush , while inserting as many snide insinuations as possible.

    “Towel flicking frat boy” was one of his casual insults to the US president.

    Set me thinking about another president – who used to insert cigars into an assistant less than half his age and masturbate into his office sink in front of her.

    Never heard anyone at the beeb refer to him in anything other than the admiring reverential tone they otherwise reserve for the UN and Nelson Mandela.

    Funny old thing cultural bias.

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  28. point of order says:

    “Set me thinking about another president – who used to insert cigars into an assistant less than half his age and masturbate into his office sink in front of her.”

    Let’s give the guy a break, eh? He did have the ever fragrant Hills to wake up to. Thing like that is bound to make a bloke a bit strange. Cut him some slack.

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  29. Hugh says:

    “Expose ‘nasty’ Tories says Harman”: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7248010.stm

    The BBC gives a wider audience for Harman’s Welsh rallying cry. Anyone want to guess how many other news agencies thought this worth a story? Sometimes I wonder why Labour bother funding a press office.

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  30. Bryan says:

    Biodegradable’s Ghost | 16.02.08 – 11:57 am,

    It’s interesting that right after describing the blast, the article quotes an Islamic Jihad spokesman calling for reprisals on Israel:

    An Islamic Jihad spokesman accused Israel of targeting the house in an air strike, and vowed revenge.

    Only then do we get the denial from Israel, by which time probably the majority of people will have stopped reading:

    Israel said it had no knowledge of a raid being carried out on the area.

    And then the statement from Hamas:

    Officials from Hamas…said the cause of the blast was unclear.

    And then back again for more of Islamic Jihad under the heading, in bold type:

    Vengeance vow

    Abu Ahmed, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad’s armed wing, told Reuters news agency that the group would avenge “this Zionist massacre” and “strike the enemy everywhere”.

    The BBC knows very well that the Israelis don’t lie when they deny air strikes, and the fact that even Hamas has not immediately jumped to blame Israel here should give the BBC pause. But what does it do? It emphasizes Islamic Jihad’s calls for revenge on Israel over what was most probably a “work accident”.

    That’s the BBC – instant propaganda for terrorists.

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  31. Roland Deschain says:

    Hugh | 16.02.08 – 2:37 pm |

    Now if this had been an attack by the Tories on Labour, wouldn’t there be a “but Labour accused the Tories of..” paragraph?

    There is no such reposte from the Tories in this story.

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  32. cassis says:

    David | 16.02.08 – 12:00 pm |

    Oscar:
    When is it OK for the Today programme to use the term “fuzzy wuzzies”?

    The ‘spoof’ was on Radio 4 this morning (Saturday 16).

    I rarely listen to 4 anymore but just happenend to catch the Matt Frei crap followed by that.

    Words fail.

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  33. AndrewSouthLondon says:

    Expose ‘nasty’ Tories says Harman

    Harriet Harman in Llandudno on Saturday …Ms Harman told the party’s Welsh conference that the elections were an opportunity to expose the “shallowness” of David Cameron’s Conservatives…. She said the Tories were “the same old nasty party, although they pretend that they’ve changed.” ……Ms Harman said the council elections in Wales and England gave Labour the chance to “expose the falseness and the shallowness of the Tories.”

    And this is national newsgathering? Or just regurgitating a Labour press release..like it was a fact. Lookforward to the opposition speech being faithfully recited

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  34. simon says:

    John Reith:

    The current headline at the BBC online is: “Blast kills senior Gaza militant”. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7247983.stm )

    In the case of deaths of Gazans, if the cause is an Israeli attack, the headline normally would read: “Israel kills senior militant.” If it’s in unclear what the cause is, as in this case, the headline is written in the passive form “Blast kills senior Gaza militant.”

    So far so good. A logical approach.

    But wait, when Israelis are killed in blasts in discos and pizza parlours, the headlines read: “Blast kills ten in Jerusalem pizza parlour” instead of “Palestinian militants kill ten in Jerusalem pizza parlour” or “Hamas kill ten in Jerusalem pizza parlour.”

    Your rationale for this double standard? Palestine is not a state, not fair to demonize an entire people as in “Palestinians kill ten.” (But “’Hamas’ kills ten” or ” Palestinian militants kill ten”? You have no response for. )

    The BBC’s rationale for this double standard, according a recent BBC post on this site?: The word “Palestinian” is too long for headlines.

    Yikes! This really is amateur hour. From the world’s largest and most renowned news organization.

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  35. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    That’s the BBC – instant propaganda for terrorists.
    Bryan | 16.02.08 – 3:39 pm

    Nicely fisked Bryan.

    Apart from the unbalanced emphasis given to the terrorists’ statements, and changing Israel’s denial to a bland “has no knowledge of…” the major omission was the non-reporting of Kassam missile parts found in the rubble.

    Even the usually anti-Israel Spanish TV has been reporting it as the Arabs attempting to blame Israel but the probability being strong that the house was a weapons store or factory.

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  36. Bryan says:

    Yes, I agree about the major omission. BBC hacks will hide any evidence that puts terrorists in a bad light and exonerates Israel.

    The JPost article, on the other hand, has all the facts simply laid out with no discernible bias one way or another. So here we have an allegedly right wing Israeli paper being impartial and the allegedly impartial BBC being grossly partisan on the same story.

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  37. PaulS says:

    Bryan | 16.02.08 – 7:02 pm

    The JPost seems to be the only news source claiming kassam parts in the rubble. Not in Reuters or AFP copy.

    You can’t condemn the BBC of biased omission simply because it doesn’t say what the JPost says, can you?

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  38. Sproggett says:

    Ah, the conference season is upon us again.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7248010.stm

    I am looking forward to similarly extensive coverage of the Lib Dems’ and the Conservatives’ Welsh party conferences.

    When are they taking place? Does anyone know?

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  39. Sproggett says:

    Further to this article:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7248010.stm

    It is truly crap. A worthless piece of puffery which amounts to little more than a Labour love-in.

    By the way, is this the same Harriet Harman who accepted an impermissible donation and is being investigated by the police?

    Nah, it can’t be: the BBC report would have mentioned it.

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  40. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    You can’t condemn the BBC of biased omission simply because it doesn’t say what the JPost says, can you?
    PaulS | 16.02.08 – 7:16 pm

    As I said in my comment Spanish national TV (TVE1) mentioned the rocket parts and ran video footage which clearly showed several tubes, the size and shape of Kassams, sticking out of the rubble. The house was pretty much destroyed but there were a lot of those tubes to be seen.

    I have no idea where you get your newsfeeds from!

    http://news.aol.com/story/_a/8-killed-in-gaza-explosion/n20080216122409990020?ecid=RSS0001
    AP
    Posted: 2008-02-16 12:24:47

    Witnesses reported seeing fragments of what looked like locally produced rockets at the scene, suggesting the house may have been used to store arms.

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L15490413.htm
    The cause of the blast was not immediately clear. Residents said it was an Israeli air strike but other reports said it could have been caused by a bomb going off inside the house.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330833,00.html
    The blast went off Friday evening in Fayed’s house in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza. The explosion badly damaged Fayed’s home and a nearby metal workshop.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9CjP6iQcXvXm88ZLKIfKEtHx6DgD8UR8LEO0
    Witnesses reported seeing fragments of what looked like locally produced rockets at the scene, suggesting the house may have been used to store arms.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL15490413
    The cause of the blast was not immediately clear. Residents said it was an Israeli air strike but other reports said it could have been caused by a bomb going off inside the house.

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  41. Bryan says:

    You can’t condemn the BBC of biased omission simply because it doesn’t say what the JPost says, can you?
    PaulS | 16.02.08 – 7:16 pm,

    True, but I have years of experience, along with others on this site, of observing the BBC in omission mode in its coverage of this and other conflicts.

    The fact of the BBC’s watering down of the evils of Islamic extremism and terrorism is so evident worldwide that it’s not even debatable. The only question is the extent of the bias.

    Biodegradable’s Ghost observes above that Even the usually anti-Israel Spanish TV has been reporting it as the Arabs attempting to blame Israel but the probability being strong that the house was a weapons store or factory.

    We’ll see how this one developes. The BBC might even grit its teeth and report honestly on this story – once it’s really out in the open. Al Jazeera is not as biased against Israel as the BBC.

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  42. Bryan says:

    Biodegradable’s ghost – snap. Good work with all those links.

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  43. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    It’s not that difficult 😉

    http://www.googleitfirst.com/search.php?query=gaza explosion

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  44. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    Whoops!

    make that http://www.googleitfirst.com/search.php?query=how did the universe begin?

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  45. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    D’oh!

    http://www.googleitfirst.com/search.php?query=gaza explosion

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  46. AndrewSouthLondon says:

    David Vance – keep up the good work!I’m seriuosly thinking of making BBBC my homepage in place of BBC News!

    Thinking about BBBC metatags you use. Could be very revealing if we had “Shami” “Liberty” “Chakrabati” as tags – it would expose the working pattern of this nauseating media-ho’. Today Shami tells us about this. Tomorrow she tells us about that. The day after Shami tells is about something else. Talk about “Renta-quote”!Is she on every reporters speed dial?

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  47. Bryan says:

    Hmmmm, looks like the attacks by Muslims on Christians in Gaza are carrying on despite Hamas denials:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/world/middleeast/16mideast.html?ref=world

    Separately, just before dawn on Friday, masked gunmen attacked the Gaza City premises of the Y.M.C.A. and blew up its 8,000-volume library, according to Eissa Saba, the center’s director. A second bomb was defused. A dozen gunmen overpowered two security guards and brought them to northern Gaza, where they were later released.

    It was the latest attack on institutions associated with Christianity, attacks condemned by Hamas, Fatah and local nongovernmental organizations like the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. Some 3,500 Christians, mostly Greek Orthodox, live in the Gaza Strip.

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  48. Biodegradable's Ghost says:

    PaulS, even your favourite Guardian has the story:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7314603
    Witnesses reported seeing fragments of what looked like locally produced rockets at the scene, suggesting the house may have been used to store arms.

    Don’t tell me the BBC doesn’t get that AP wire feed!

    Bryan, the JPost gives more background on the plight of Christians.
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203019388404&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
    The latest incident is another link in an ongoing chain of attacks against Palestinian Christians which has worsened since Hamas took power of the Gaza Strip last June.

    However, Christians in the West Bank were not faring much better and the Christian population in both territories has been continually dwindling.

    The Palestinian Christian population has dipped to 1.5% of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, down from at least 15% a half century ago, according to some estimates. No city in the Holy Land is more indicative of the Christian exodus than Bethlehem, which fell under full Palestinian control last decade as part of the Oslo Accords. The town of 30,000 is now less than 20% Christian, after decades during which Christians were the majority. Elsewhere in the PA territories, only about 3,000 Christians, mostly Greek Orthodox, live in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, among a strongly conservative Muslim population of 1.4 million.

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  49. Bryan says:

    Biodegradable’s Ghost | 16.02.08 – 8:26 pm

    Yes, and the BBC’s coverage on the decimation of Christian Palestinians by Muslims has been negligent, to put it in the politest possible terms.

    Meanwhile the BBC still has not updated its report from about 19 hours ago on the Gaza blast.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7247983.stm

    I suppose it is just possible that it wants as many people as possible to gain the impression that this was an indiscriminate Israeli air attack.

    Meanwhile this Australian site has imaginary Israeli warplanes launching an imaginary raid on Gaza:

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23223320-23109,00.html

    This according to “medics and witnesses”.

    Near the end of the short article it has this:

    An Israeli army spokeswoman could not immediately deny or confirm the report.

    I wonder how much time they gave her? Ten seconds?

    Amazing what one can find with a bit of Googling.

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