General BBC-related comment thread:

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  1. WoAD says:

    Yes. It is the Islamic reformation. We are casting out the authroity of scriptural Islam (in an ironic inversion of the protestant reformation) and replacing it with something we invented a few months ago.

    And Mohammed said: Contrary to what the Koran, a manifestation of Allah sent to you by Allahs merciful wisdom, the man of peace who only takes one wife is worth more than the polygamist who goes to war.

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  2. David Preiser (USA) says:

    WoAD,

    I seriously approve of a reformation of Islam. That’s what it needs, in a big way. I’m sure I’m not alone in that sentiment, and credit to the BBC for even bothering to report it, slightly inaccurate though they were.

    I’m also aware that this is useful fodder for the BBC’s stated view that most Muslims are really quite moderate and don’t oppress their women and don’t think infidels should either convert, live under Shariah and pay the infidel tax, and that apostates should be killed, etc. Very timely also for (what I assume are) their goals for the White Series.

    The funny thing is, if most Mohammedans are so moderate, why is this project even necessary? If what the BBC has been promoting all along is the whole truth, why is this a story at all?

    Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

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  3. George R says:

    HSLD:

    Yes, the BBC seems unable, or unwilling, to find out who is taunting British uniformed forces in Peterborough:

    “Officers at RAF Wittering reported that servicemen have been taunted by people in nearby Peterborough who oppose UK involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    The local paper, the ‘Evening Telegraph’, when it asked its readers to vote on the question:

    “Would you like to see members of the armed forces wearing their uniforms in the city?”, 85% said ‘YES’, when I last looked at the result.

    I don’t know how relevant Peterborough’s 15,000 Muslims are in all this. The BBC doesn’t mention them. I feel an unlikely BBC ‘Have Your Say’ coming on:

    ‘Do you think Peterborough’s Muslims should give a hand of friendship to British troops in uniform?’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/7282348.stm

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  4. Martin says:

    Note that Moozlums and many white middle class types HATE the armed forces.

    ASk yourself this question. If Moozlums despise the war in Iraq and Afghanistan so much how come people like Jack Straw who has a large Moozlum community and was a big player in the war got re-elected with a massive majority.

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  5. George R says:

    Life after the BBC:

    Jeff Randall re-Andrew Gilligan –

    “Having left the BBC under a cloud after his report on the ‘sexed-up’ Iraq dossier was lambasted by Lord Hutton, Gilligan has reinvented himself as the scourge of Livingstone and his cadre of well paid cronies. I don’t know Gilligan. I think we met once at a BBC drinks party, but I salute his stamina and diligence in unearthing the way that Jasper did business.”

    ‘If Livingstone loses London, he’ll have only himself to blame’ (Jeff Randall).

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/07/do0701.xml

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  6. zamboy says:

    I just switched off R5 in total disgust after listening to a muslim caller to the Victoria Derbyshire show compare British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to nazi concentration camp guards and saying it was fine to abuse service personnel in the streets. Derbyshire was her usual useless self, allowing him to rant against our armed forces with hardly a word against him. He also brought the usual bs about British troops murdering innocent Afghans/Iraqis and Derbyshire appeared to agree with him that our troops were, indeed, killing innocents. I did not hear her say anything to the caller about the overwhelming majority of civilians in Afghanistan/Iraq being killed as a result of terrorist bombings. As I said, I just had to turn it off as I was so angry.

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  7. Sue says:

    I enjoyed listening to My Father’s Country by Wibke Bruhns, read by Joanna Tope, serialised on radio 4, and which ended today.

    But I doubt I’ll be watching the first episode of Whte Girl, if it’s anything like it sounded in the interview on Woman’s Hour just now with the screenwriter.
    White girl from abusing workin’ class family befriends new Asian neighbours. Enlightens racist mother, dons hijab and lives happily ever after. About the naive, by the naive, for the naive. But who am I to pre -judge?

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  8. George R says:

    This review of BBC’s ‘White’ season in the ‘New Statesman’ is very critical:

    “The BBC White Season equates working-class culture with racism and the BNP, and exposes unsavoury values at the heart of the corporation.”

    ‘Hideously middle class’

    http://www.newstatesman.com/200803060032

    The reviewer eschews the impact of mass immigration, especially over the past 11 years of this Labour Government, on the indigenous British working class; instead, the reviewer, predictably in NS, adopts a Marxist ‘class’ analysis.

    There’s one particularly odd statement in the review:

    “Yes, there are working-class people who are white.”

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  9. Martin says:

    Zamboy: Notice the amount of time Derbyshire gave him?

    The argument that soldiers were only following orders is valid.

    However, it is down to the senior officers to discuss this with the politicians.

    Of course individual soldiers can be hled accountable for individual war crimes.

    Not noly that but how did “Mohammad” know that the people he might shout abuse at are actually serving in Iraq or Afghanistan? They might be medics or cooks for all he knows. He was just a biggot.

    As far as I’m aware Afghanistan IS a legal war and was agreed in the UN?

    Iraq is a different story.

    However our “Mohammad” friend on 5 live skipped the question about how Bliar got re-elected in 2005.

    He said “well people didn’t just vote on the war..”

    Of course not, most of the “not in my name” brigade who called Bliar a war criminal happily re-elected him because of the promise of the continuation of the TV tax, endless benefits (no questions asked) or that £40K + pension as a teacher or council worker.

    Oh yes, when push came to shove all those f**king champagne socialists voted for their favourite war criminal again.

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  10. George R says:

    The BBC and Iran:-

    Unless there’s an update, there are only 3 British journalists in Iran, one from the BBC.

    Even the ‘multiculturalist’ Guardian reporter, Robert Tait, was expelled from Iran recently, and he had this to say:

    “I know for a fact that all the major British newspapers have tried very hard to get journalists into Iran over the last year, and they have been knocked back or granted visas which are reviewed fortnightly, no doubt on the basis of what they write.”

    So is the BBC only still there because it does not report unfavourably on that Islamic Republic?

    http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13830

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  11. zamboy says:

    Martin:
    Yes, she gave him quite a bit of time to spout his rubbish. His assertion that it was perfectly ok to abuse someone in uniform because Britain was involved in military conflicts that he didn’t agree with really got to me…and VD let him get away with it with hardly a challenge. If someone had phoned in and said that they didn’t agree with muslims being here, so thought it was perfectly fine to verbally abuse them, just how much air-time would VD have given them? Of course soldiers are not robots and can be held responsible for war crimes but the caller made it seem as if British soldiers were going round slaughtering civilians willy-nilly, and VD didn’t challenge him on that at all. Neither did she comment on the comparison of British service personnel to nazi concentration guards. Absolutely despicable and appalling!

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  12. pounce says:

    The BBC,, Mohamed most foul and half a story

    The other day I wrote this;
    Anybody watch the news at 10 tonight?
    4 minutes on the vote in parliament.
    7 ½ minutes on the state of affairs on the run up on to the American elections.
    3 minutes on the murder of a Muslim in Burnley

    “The last item was about how a poor man of 50 was murdered by two young thugs and the BBC zooms in on the fact the dead man rang the police just before he went to the park. But it gets better the News crew interview 3 British residents. Who just happened to be friends of the dead mans son and they go on about how young lads walk round armed to the teeth with knives and such. But and I quote ‘But’ the weapons are not for use? Funny how nobody at the BBC could see the irony in that statement with regards to the dead victim. Now the police have stated that it isn’t a racist hate crime. So looking at how Burnley is a mirror image of Islamabad I wonder if the Murderer is also a ‘British’ Resident.
    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/7657588214029113207/#388244

    Well what do you know;
    A 20-year-old man and a 16-year-old boy have been remanded in custody charged with the murder of a father-of-seven attacked in a Lancashire park.

    Mohammed Raja Shafiq, 50, was trying to stop a fight when he was hit and stabbed in Thompson park, Burnley.
    Mohammad Bilal Baktti, of Holcombe Drive, Burnley, and a youth, who cannot be named because of his age, appeared before Burnley magistrates. They are both charged with murder and violent disorder. Mohammed Shahdab Akhtar, 19, of Scott Park Road, Burnley, and Omar Khalid, 19, of Fairfield Drive, Burnley, also appeared in court charged with violent disorder.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7282706.stm

    And where does the BBC point the finger of blame;
    “The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating a phone call made by Mr Shafiq, who lived in Nelson, to police shortly before he was murdered. Lancashire Police said the call and their response had caused them “some concern” and referred the matter to the IPCC.”

    The BBC,, Mohamed most foul and half a story

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  13. Reimer says:

    Coverage of the uniforms-vs-abuse story on BBC R2’s lunchtime Vine show was IMO a disgrace: “let’s get to the bottom of the mystery of who is abusing them” it was trailed – in the studio the town’s mayor got away with conflating the calls of “killer!” from passing “men in cars” with the general contemporary state of manners among the under-30s, whilst a Peterborough-resident ‘Falklands veteran’ went off on one about the illegality & inhumanity of the Iraqi & Afghan campaigns. This was all meant to prepare us for the eventual admission through allowing on air the later callers (speaking euphemistically or mealy-mouthedly) that the local Muzzies were at the root of the problem, but by which point we had been suitably acclimatised to the notion of how the squaddies deserve all they get, UK foreign policy is to blame, and anyway what’s so special about those who serve in the forces?

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  14. Martin says:

    Reimer: Again I ask who says the war in Afghanistan is illegal? The USA had a perfect right to get Bin Liner and if the Government of Afghanistan refused to co-operate then so be it.

    Yes the war in Iraq is dubious, but the media shouldn’t allow anti war types to lump the two together.

    In fact for the last 4 years the bBC has almost toyally ignoed Afghanistan.

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  15. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Does anyone here feel it would be amusing to collect predictions made here in the last few days about the White Series, in order to see our preconceived biases exposed? Or, perhaps, proven?

    I was thinking of starting a pool, making odds on how soon into each episode various clichés would pop up, how soon a white person says something nasty, the odds of any white person who is not in thrall to Islam being portrayed as a decent human being anyway, etc.

    But I don’t think I’m going to bother after reading this transcript of Newsnight’s panel discussion about it.

    Kirsty Wark does her best to distract from comments which dissent from the BBC narrative, although I was glad to see Sarfraz Manzoor making a couple of valuable points against. He probably won’t be back in any future discussions of the series. But mostly the observations from the talking heads confirm our suspicions almost 100%. In fact, at least half the comments gave me the impression that the BBC’s plan for this segment was to prepare the viewer how to interpret what they’re going to see.

    WHITE SEASON Friday 29th February 2008

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  16. Lee Moore says:

    Graham Hale of Hemel Hempstead’s view that :

    “Our democracy is based on us electing representatives to make decisions on our behalf”

    which currently adorns the BBC’s front page (UK and international) is certainly an interesting selection from Have Your Say. The most popular anti-referendum comment (not Graham’s) is currently 53rd on the list of the most recommended comments. I gave up looking for Graham’s. But someone has kindly dug it up from the depths and stuck it on the front page. Graham must be thinking he’s won the pools. What are the odds, eh ?

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  17. Martin says:

    Lee Moore: I wonder if Graham Hale is a supporter of the war in Iraq?

    I’m betting not.

    Double standards by the left. Ignore public opinion when they won’t get their way, then use public opinion when they think it will help their cause.

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  18. Martin says:

    A general complaint about the BBC of mine is ohw they continually interrupt programmes to report utter nonsense.

    Examples of this is their belief that they need to interrupt prgrammes to go straight away to the “Cricket” to report the fall of a wicket. Oh really. Is it that vital?

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  19. pounce says:

    Just my pennies worth on the Uniform debate.

    Has anybody here been to Peterborough?

    A few years ago I thought about relocating there as I was offered a job in recruiting. I spent ages looking around the gaff for a house and put my name down at a number of Estate agents.
    The first thing I noticed was that the area next to the town centre (north) is Islamic. This you notice straight away from the large number of the huge mosques built there. This is also the area where that Young white lad was murdered by a drunken (drunken BBC?) Islamic gang and also the scene of riots a few years ago. (The BBC didn’t bother reporting those riots as they were between Pakistani Muslims and Islamic asylum seekers)
    http://www.aboutbritain.com/maps/peterborough-map.asp

    This area is bang right next door to the main shopping area of Peterborough. Anybody who parks in the car parks will bump into those who pray towards Mecca 5 times a day.

    Funny enough I kicked the idea of buying a house in the area into touch after all the Estate agents presumed that I just wanted to buy a house in an area full of people who they presumed I have an affinity with. They couldn’t understand how my mindset and my uniform wouldn’t mix with the natives.

    I think you will find the problem lies with the close proximity of the Muslim population of Peterborough to the Town centre.

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  20. David Preiser (USA) says:

    More ruffled feathers on the fourth floor, as Andrew Steele tells everyone what to think about the BBC’s coverage of the Hillary-Obama story. Um, I mean the US elections.

    “Our challenge on major US stories is to cover for our world audiences with clarity and authority, without appearing simplistic or condescending to our increasing legions of US-based online readers, viewers and listeners. It’s also vital for us to get beyond the Democratic horse race to deal with the real issues of the election – Iraq, health care and the economy to name just a few. Matt Frei’s moody report this week on Ohio’s economic challenges is an example of how we’re doing this.”

    Could some of that US-based audience be a little pissed off, do you think? And yes, I saw Frei’s report form Ohio. Another four minutes of scowling about how the economy sucks, the economy sucks, the sub-prime debacle has caused this area to go from one of the highest percentage of home-owners to the one of the lowest, and which Democrat do voters believe will save them.

    Steele wants to assure everyone that they will begin to focus on the “real issues” now. Problem is, there is precious little policy difference between Obama and Hillary on almost every one of them. So what the BBC will really be doing is separating their policy positions from McCain. Guess which side they’ll be on.

    Surpassing all expectations

    Or meeting them exactly? And how much attention will you guys be paying to those super-delegates, Andrew? Enough to show that the ultimate Dem nominee might not have been democratically elected in the end, but without going so far as to reassure the viewer that it’s nothing to worry about since the candidate will be right-on? I won’t hold my breath.

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  21. pounce says:

    The BBC, its socialist hero Hugo and half the story.

    Chavez calls for calm over crisis
    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has called for a cooling of tensions over the recent cross-border raid into Ecuador by Colombian troops.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7283151.stm

    Remind me again somebody who sent his army to the border with Columbia after a terrorist and his mates got taken out by an air-strike in Ecuador?

    Remind me again who has bragged about a war with Columbia for ages now?

    Remind me again who has been funding FARC?

    And the BBC promotes the vision that Chavez is now calling for calm?

    The BBC, its socialist hero Hugo and half the story.

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  22. David Preiser (USA) says:

    pounce | 07.03.08 – 4:10 pm |

    How much do you want to bet that once Chavez has completely turned Venezuela into a stinking hole like Mugabe’s Rwanda that the BBC’s main theme will be that US foreign policy is to blame?

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  23. Arthur Dent says:

    Mugabe’s Rwanda is in fact Mugabe’s Zimbabwe but I agree with you.

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  24. WoAD says:

    This ‘White Season’ from the Beeb has really depressed me. But anyway, having now spent at least 6 hours (sleepless night) thinking about last nights televisual atrocity from “Newsnight” I now have this to say:

    The BBC’s concern for the WWC hopelessly reduces the abolition of Britain to a problem related to race and class and not to the abolition of Britain and its myriad political problems related to the incompetance and illegitamacy of our political class. Among those problems we can include the immigration policy now run without even the most basic utilitarian concerns.

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  25. George R says:

    BBC seems to have missed a word or two from this headline:

    ” Top [ ] extremist recruiter is jailed ”

    That SHOULD read, BBC:

    ” Top Islamic Jihad recruiter is
    jailed ”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7282137.stm

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  26. bob says:

    Pounce, 3.31pm: a necessary elucidation (BBC news, of course, tells you nothing) – I was suspicious as soon as I heard the Orwellian phrase a “cross-section of the community”. Thanks for confirming the suspicion…

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  27. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Hmmm. Can’t find this anywhere in Beebland, so I guess Auntie doesn’t want you to know that France will back the Netherlands in film row.

    But Auntie does want you to know that French Muslims promote ‘cool Islam’.

    The latter is a great idea, if it actually happens as they describe, of course. But how long would it last if Sarkozy defends the Dutch against a Muslim outcry about the film?

    This is actually an important story, much more immediately relevant to the UK than an election that won’t take place for eight months, so will the BBC report cover it?

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  28. pounce says:

    The BBC, the murder of faith healers and half the story.
    Two guilty of faith healer murderTwo men have been convicted of murdering a 22-year-old faith healer whose body was found in a Luton park.
    Alfusaine Jabbi was found dead in April 2006 after he failed to repay £14,000 paid to him by a client who felt she was duped, Luton Crown Court heard. Jurors convicted Tariq Malik, 29, of Selborne Road, and Imran Khan, 27, of Rondini Road, Luton.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7284039.stm

    Funny enough the BBC leaves out the faith of everybody in this story.

    The BBC, the murder of faith healers and half the story.

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  29. Mike_s says:

    background articles
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7036331.stm
    last update according to the BBC; Thursday, 8 November 2007, 19:29 GMT
    But in the graph they show the figures of febr. 2008. Strange.

    First they didn’t bother to actualise this background arcticle and graph stop at nov 2007. Now they have actualized it. I get the feeling they have done this because feb 2008 has 30% higher death rate than Jan 2008. In several article they have mentioned this. No problem. But they were awfully silent when the numbers only went down.

    P.S. How can I get an update history of this article out of News sniffer?

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  30. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Oops. Samantha Power has just resigned from the Obama campaign after she called Hillary a monster during an interview in The Scotsman. Of course, it’s easy for Obama to say that this kind of name-calling has no place in his campaign, and everyone can go on thinking he’s too cool for that.

    Now, I’m obviously too small-minded to understand how so much focus on Obama’s foreign policy adviser is so important to the identity politics and closeness of the Dem race. Yeah, still trying to work out what all these UK media outlets think focusing on Obama’s foreign policy has to do with to with the story we’re supposed to swallow. I guess the fig leaf is that Obama’s inexperience might be the reason for his failure to clean up in the latest primaries. Not.

    However, Powers did even more damage to Obama’s campaign in her appearance on last night’s Hard Talk. She was trying so hard to get a positive spin she admitted that Obama’s “US out of Iraq Now!” stance so beloved by the true believers isn’t to be believed. Well done to Stephen Sackur (even by inadvertently giving her enough rope to hang herself), as even Paxman couldn’t get that out of her. Hell, all he could do was open with slagging off Bush and letting her say whatever she wanted. He did a couple of “devil’s advocate” questions, but he let her get away with it when Sackur somehow didn’t.

    A good take on what happened can be found here.

    To provide balance, will they next have on a Clinton campaign big-wig discussing Hillary’s refusal to release her tax returns and the Emperor’s New Clothes that are her own real experience with foreign policy and a crisis?

    The BBC better back off a bit or they’re going to ruin their own fun. I mean if they accidentally reveal just how bad the two Dem candidates really are (won’t Matt Frei be in for a surprise), there won’t be any Bolli at BH come November.

    What’s that somebody was saying about foreign media outlets influencing the elections? Anyone?

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  31. meggoman says:

    I am now watching the programme. Is anyone else.

    meggoman:
    Abandon Ship:

    I have read the press releases for all the programmes. I will watch Newsnight tonight and I intend watching all the programmes.

    I do not believe these programmes are designed to alleviate or promote the white man’s feeling of not belonging, not being heard, having no voice or being forgotten or abandoned by politicians.

    I believe from the subject matter to be covered that they have been commissioned and desgined to demonstrate and provide evidence to the politicians, the media and the civil rights activists how we, the white working class haven’t and will not embrace multiculturalism.

    I have no doubt that we’ll have the MCB, Liberty and the rest of the ‘we’re all persecuted’ brigade hogging the airwaves and newspaper columns and screaming what drunken, lazy, layabout, criminal, racist bigots we the white working class are. And who is going to defend us no-one. Because we’re invisible and unheard.

    I hope I’m wrong and if I am I will take it all back but I am not hopeful. Nothing will change and the white working class will fade away into the background again after the last programme.
    meggoman | 06.03.08 – 7:49 pm | #

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  32. meggoman says:

    So based upon what I’ve seen so far 25 mins into the programme the white working class man is based upon 3 guys so far average about 65.

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  33. meggoman says:

    Anyone on this site consider themselves working class>

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  34. meggoman says:

    OK so lets get the average family where the son goes into the army.

    I think my original post about to come true.

    Hey up racists.

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  35. moonbat nibbler says:

    A week in which 2/7ths of FARC’s leadership have been killed and the group seem to be imploding we get this shocking bit of editorialising:

    “But the BBC’s Jeremy McDermott in Colombia says there is a growing call, both internationally and domestically, for negotiations as the only sure way to end the four-decade conflict.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7284222.stm

    How is talking a sure way to end a conflict? Now killing everyone on the other side – that’s a sure way. But, talking? Is this some kind of joke?

    Jeremy McDermott has form his eulogy to the previous FARC leader killed:

    “A squat figure, Reyes was held both in affection and a little awe by the rank and file guerrillas.

    He was the public face of Farc, baffling both national and international journalists with a discourse straight out of the Cold War, by then just a memory.

    During the innumerable interviews I had with him he never deviated from the party line, was unfailingly polite and unswervingly orthodox in his Marxist Leninism.

    Reyes also played a pivotal role in the issue of hostage releases. ”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7273320.stm

    Ah, yes pivotal in issuing hostage releases, nothing about the initial hostage taking or hostage killing though! Oddly Reyes’ sexual predilection for children was never mentioned either…

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  36. meggoman says:

    Oh my god!! Can any body help me.
    Anyone else on this site call themselves working class besides me?

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  37. meggoman says:

    Advice required: How do I contact Richard Klein?

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  38. meggoman says:

    This is total bullshit. Look at my original post. Here we are now on about the Pakistani community in a film about whites. Oh fuck. Eddie’s now been set up as the fall guy racist.

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  39. meggoman says:

    Let down again by the BBC. This is how the working class will now be portrayed. What a fucking diabolical liberty. I now leave this site and will not visit again, Because clearly I am working class and basically an imbecile who can not express himself and has no intelligence.

    Actually the documetary is crap.

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  40. David Preiser (USA) says:

    meggoman | 07.03.08 – 10:24 pm |

    That’s why it’s called “Last Orders”. In Leftoid Land the only people who feel that the government (and, by extension, the BBC) ignores their needs, that they no longer have the same rights as others, that they are considered the real problem in society, etc., are oldies who are out of touch, lost the plot, haven’t “progressed” with the rest of society, or just BNP-type racialists who just don’t get it. You are supposed to be thankful that they are dying out.

    Sorry, I mean you are supposed to be thankful that you are dying out. Even the promo clip was a funeral. May as well beat you to death with the lid of your own coffin.

    It’s not just the working class whites, either. This is just low-hanging fruit, picking on the oldies. Social cohesion, wasn’t it? This is the stuff that was supposed to finally be showing the viewpoints we’ve been waiting for, according to John Reith.

    BBC Charter, meet Henry Singer’s backside.

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  41. Reimer says:

    David P wrote –

    “But Auntie does want you to know that French Muslims promote ‘cool Islam’.

    The latter is a great idea, if it actually happens as they describe, of course. ”

    This latterday Neo-Calvinist-reformation-of-Islam I presume these articles are another part of has been touted a couple of times in R3’s highbrow 9.30pm/’Nightwaves’ slot in the past few years. I got the impression the luvvies were desparately hoping for a kinder, more plausible face to evolve upon the power their treachery & delusion had done so much to assist the inauguration of.

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  42. Reimer says:

    ‘Last Orders’: the director has previously done a similarly-toned film for BBC following a chronic alcoholic over some months (ie elegaic pathos about broken lives). That too had his faintly-pained earnest voice-over. I don’t recall if it had pensive mourning-a-dead-child music like this one did.

    I wonder how many such clubs were recc-ed for this project? The average age & apparent intransigence of the membership seemed ideal to convey the desired message that “Look, these people are dying, and left to themselves they aren’t flexible enough to adapt to prolonging life”. Is it usual practise for docu-makers to prompt their subjects on what to talk about to each other in a given scene? The ostensibly-natural conversations in places had a stilted quality at odds with that between the same folk in other parts of the film.

    The part on Eddie and his son delivered the (slight) rebuke to the elite that progress towards the desired New General Synthesis could be harmed by continuing certain present management practices.

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  43. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Reimer | 07.03.08 – 11:10 pm |

    Is it usual practise for docu-makers to prompt their subjects on what to talk about to each other in a given scene?

    Yes.

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  44. David Preiser (USA) says:

    I have commented several times, including earlier today, that the BBC must be inundated with complaints that they’re spending way too much time on the US elections. Countless defenses have been mounted, and they can all pretty much be summed up as “The US affects our lives, the identity politics and the closeness of the Democrat contest is fascinating and exciting, the US affects our lives and we need to know, the twists and turns of this close race are fascinating.”

    Just now Katty Kay was speaking to someone from Diario ABC (Hispanic news) and some other foreigner (don’t care as he’s only there to defend the BBC’s obsession with Democrats), making sure viewers were aware of just how fascinated the world is by this election story. It’s extra amusing because the executive producer of this dog and pony show is an American (the one who allowed Dan Rather to flog his bogus anti-Bush memos).

    In other words, the BBC dopes are so wrapped up in convincing everybody that they absolutely must be obsessed by the elections and to overlook the promotion of Dems that they forget when they are broadcasting at Americans. They’re so locked into defense mode that they keep doing entire segments (no, this is hardly the first one) defending the amount of US election coverage in a US news broadcast. Hello, BBC, it’s a news show intended for a US audience. You don’t have to defend the fact that you are covering the US elections.

    Talk about losing the plot.

    Naturally, this begs the question: How much coverage will there be once the contest is just between McCain and the Democrat? Will we still be told that the US has a major effect on the world and everyone has a vested interest? Surely whichever Dem is the nominee (I’m betting it’s Hillary at this point) will still be involved in a very close race with McCain, so will we still get the stiff-arm move that it’s a close race and therefore worthy of this obsession? Will Paxo and lesser beings spend massive amounts of airtime and dead trees on McCain advisers?

    Answers on a photo of George Bush’s backside.

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  45. WoAD says:

    “Neo-Calvinist” Reimer | 07.03.08 – 10:51 pm |

    Have you been reading Unqualified Reservations as well.

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  46. Atlas shrugged says:

    I must admit the sin of reading the Sun News/toilet paper today. However I will never admit to buying a copy.

    Inside I found not one but two adverts for the BBC.

    So a state propaganda channel thats costs tax payers billions every year. That claims as an excuse for this ripp off that they are a counterpoint to the commercial capitalist world. Uses our money to ADVERTISE ITSELF at great expense in FASCIST news-papers.

    It also spends half the space available to itself from not having to run like a normal commercial operation, again advertising itself.

    While our government gives the likes of News Corp ITV and Branson incorporated many millions every year to do this for them instead of the BBC.

    Our media is now more corrupted then at any time in the past, and that is truly saying something.

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  47. Atlas shrugged says:

    Meggoman

    Dont feel alone with your feelings.

    I am white working class. Educated in possibly the worst socialist dumping ground comprehensive this country has ever produced.

    Self educated, I came out of the violent hellhole with more qualifications then the place ever achieved in its 85 year history. 3 science A, along with 16 assorted O, OA and S levels.

    Apart from being a lifetime Libertarian, half Christian, Half Jewish, building my own manufacturing company from jack shit, employing over 150 people in my time. Paying many hundreds of thousands of pounds in VAT and other rip off taxes.

    I am now and always have been completely racially colour blind. So much so I am married to an Asian Hindu and have 4 children.

    If you think the BBC is dying you out, remember this. As far as the BBC is concerned people like me NEVER EVER EXISTED at all.

    I am to the BBC literally impossible.

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  48. Zevilyn says:

    If you look at a show like South Park, which mocks the Right and the Left equally, and compare it to what the likes of Brigstocke produce, one is inclined to come to the view that the leftist comedians so beloved of the BBC have killed British satire.

    A comedian who only mocks those of whom he disaproves cannot call himself a satirist. Whats depressing is that the likes of South Park and Family Guy have more courage than anything produced in the UK.

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  49. Zevilyn says:

    The BBC’s white season is ripe for a Mitchell & Webb parody;
    “The BBC’s “Horrible Chavs” season continues with “Last of the Bastards”, a sensitive and sympathetic study of a bunch of old white racists. Look at the white working classes, they’re all racists who can’t adapt. Thats why you should ignore them.”

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