I’m sure you will be aware that Dutch politician Geert Wilders has posted a film critical of the Koran on the internet. The opening scenes show a copy of the Koran, followed by footage of the attacks on the US on 11 September 2001. The 17-minute film was posted on video-sharing website LiveLeak. (It’s been posted over on my own blog as it all helps the general debate on the Religion of Peace AND Love.)
Now then, the BBC reports this but the BBC report itself is laced with all kinds of subtle poison. For example, if you read it you will note that the State Broadcaster cannot apparently find anyone to interview who is in FAVOUR of this film on the nature of Islam. Furthermore it immediately characterises Geert Wilders as “right-wing” however no other political comment is prefaced with such a description. Is anyone who opposes the advance of Islam a right-winger?
Now I don’t hold the BBC responsible for the cowardly Dutch PM Jan Peter Balkenende who disowns this questioning of Islam, but I do hold the BBC responsible for ensuring that the topic is covered by providing a range of views. However anyone who raises questions about the Koran and those who use it to justify their terrorist pathologies seems to be persona non gratia in Beebland.
Aye, Nietzsche (who went mad) believed that the falseness of a proposition is no argument against it if it furthers the feeling of life and power. Now that’s kind of similar, except Allah has been replaced with vitality.
Though there is this:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
and,
“2.106”: Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
Which of course means the blood thirsty Medina verses superseed the earlier verses where they contradict.
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and militarycomponents. The religious component is a beard for all the othercomponents.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘thereasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also getthe other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentagessource CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given countrythey will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat toanyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films,stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities anddisaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and amongstreet gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamicstandards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it ontheir shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (UnitedStates).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allowthem to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimategoal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia lawover the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increaselawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result inuprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers andother religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of ShariaLaw as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House ofPeace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It wasme against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my familyagainst my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and thetribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. — LeonUris, ‘The Haj’
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France,the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.. http://www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm
Hillhunt | 29.03.08 – 2:24 pm |
No, I don’t. I’m more than happy among Jews. I know more Jews than I know Muslims. I get along very well with them all. Thankfully, few of them are into silly… ahem, traditional garb.
Surely you don’t mean “thankfully”? Would you care to rephrase that?
“No, I don’t. I’m more than happy among Jews. I know more Jews than I know Muslims. I get along very well with them all. Thankfully, few of them are into silly… ahem, traditional garb.”
A new variation of “Some of my best friends are Jewish”.
Alex: “It does rather, doesn’t it? But then, confrontational behaviour is fairly standard when you meet someone in war/in battle/in fight.”
Ooh! it’s all so clear now. So when in January 2002 Daniel Pearl, (a journalist not a soldier) had his head hacked off, and his body dismembered, it was all a bit of a metaphorical experiece for him and open to mis-translation?
While the BBC only ‘impartially’ reports anti-Wilders comments, if Islamic countries boycott Dutch goods, then we, as the West’s Dutch allies, should support a boycott of those Islamic countries:-
“What the Dutch response to a boycott should be”
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/13957
Let the Muslim world boycott the Netherlands. What happens when tens of thousands of people are laid off work. Years ago when this was suggested to me by a Muslim, I offered to take him and his family down to the Southampton docks for embarkation to the sub-continent or the middle-east. His silence was golden.
And Omar Bakri Mohammed doesn’t have his own prime time show. What’s your point?
WTF has Omar Bakri Mohammed got to do with any of this?
Or is he now the BBC’s correspondent in the Lebanon.
fitna has spread to piratebay
http://thepiratebay.org/search/fitna/0/99/0
the 2nd link “Fitna the movie – English – AVI and FLV format” is legit (downloaded it myself)
gates of vienna has a ton of alternate download links , and even a translation project (to get it subtitled into as many languages as possible):
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
dhimmitude in action… and no this isnt amsterdam, or rotterdam.
this is SOMERSET…
http://www.hazlegrove.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=542
I wonder if the children recited the Shahadah?
Some contributors have suggested that Alex should not be engaged because of his stupidity and offensiveness. But such is the BBC and engaging Alex is to demonstrate the stupidity and offensiveness of the BBC.
Alex, what is your academic background?
“– All of the above are valid comments on islam, whether you agree with them or not, and none of them will ever be seen or heard on the BBC unless prefaced by right-winger, xenophobe or racist.
– And Omar Bakri Mohammed doesn’t have his own prime time show. What’s your point?
– WTF has Omar Bakri Mohammed got to do with any of this?”
MYL. Whether you agree with him or not, Omar Bakri Mohammed’s are valid comments on Islam (and probably rather more informed than the above). But you’ll never see his point of view put forward, except in the context of a ‘preacher of hate’.
“Omar Bakri Mohammed’s are valid comments on Islam (and probably rather more informed than the above). But you’ll never see his point of view put forward, except in the context of a ‘preacher of hate’.”
Mainly because he is a “preacher of hate”.
And the fanatical non-Muslim readings of the Quran do rather tend to be right-wing, xenophobic or racist.
“And the fanatical non-Muslim readings of the Quran do rather tend to be right-wing, xenophobic or racist.”
Fanatical non-Muslim? You are a tit Alex.
Now run along and check the casualties of 7/7 amongst these fanatical non-Muslims.
Extremist readings of the Quran by non-Muslims would have been clearer.
“Extremist readings of the Quran by non-Muslims would have been clearer.”
No,it’s still gibberish.Get someone to check out your keyboard.
Start again then:
Non-Muslims who read extremism into the Quran do rather tend to be right-wing, xenophobic or racist.
“2.191”: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
“Non-Muslims who read extremism into the Quran do rather tend to be right-wing, xenophobic or racist.”
“”2.191″: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.”
Are you accusing anyone specific of being right-wing, xenophobic or racist?
It’s clear to me that Angry Alex has no real knowledge of Islam or the Koran or the various interpretations therein. Angry Alex, quite wasting these good peoples’ time.
“Are you accusing anyone specific of being right-wing, xenophobic or racist?”
Well, most people on here seem to be more than a little right of centre, and of course Nick Griffin isn’t well known as a fan of other races. Now I’m no theologist and my Arabic is amateurish to say the least, but even I can tell pretty much none of this mass rant has anything to do with the BBC or its political affiliations.
“dhimmitude in action… and no this isnt amsterdam, or rotterdam”
It’s a visit. Only some special class of bigoted prat would claim otherwise.
I know this school – it’s a straight up, largely white middle class independent school with solid Christian values.
It’s rather pathetic you’re so insecure that you see a mosque visit as some kind of wholesale submission to Islam. Next you’ll be telling us that a language trip to Germany is forgetting the war.
“Next you’ll be telling us that a language trip to Germany is forgetting the war.”
I fecking well would say that. The influence of German philosophy has been pernicious: from Marx, to Heidegger and most of all Hegel, all our problems can be traced back to Germany in some way.
If it had been a trip to Germany and the children had been doingthis instead of this
Your synapses would have blown chippy old chap.
Visiting a mosque and being forced to wear a hijab and learn to pray the way that Muslims do are two different things. If it were my kid I’d file a lawsuit against the school.
“It’s rather pathetic you’re so insecure that you see a mosque visit as some kind of wholesale submission to Islam”
No doubt the BBC will be taking a group of young Atheists an Muslims to a church.Perhaps be shown how to take Communion?
Or as it is known,”Light the blue touch paper and retire”.
“If it were my kid I’d file a lawsuit against the school.”
Vintage B-BBC. You’ve seen a photo and you’re already sure that the trip wasn’t voluntary and the kids were forced to wear a hijab. How you convince yourselves you’re not raving bigots is a mystery.
having read the comments i feel alexs position is mirrored by thousands of young people who seem blind to this wicked religion 9 cult ) im sure it is a lot to do with the education system, producing liberal left wet cretins with no idea of past struggles or history, and thus leaving themselves open to repeat the mistakes of the 1930s to 40s when we last appeased a lunatic cult.
“How you convince yourselves you’re not raving bigots is a mystery.”
Chippy old chap,cultural sensitivity.What price Muslim children being taken round a Catholic church would be encouraged to cross themselves? Imagine any Christian Priest being so insensitive as to expect Muslims to undertake Christian rituals?
Perhaps you are a raving idiot?
and on the school visit, well im not in favour, but then again im catholic, im not willing to let my kids be force fed any religion, including my own, religion is a fantastic tool for hard times like the loss of a loved one, and for the more uplifting times like marriages and christenings, it is good if used properly as a means of help and support and comfort, not as a tool for oppression, conquest and violence, as is the case with islam
Vintage B-BBC. You’ve seen a photo and you’re already sure that the trip wasn’t voluntary and the kids were forced to wear a hijab. How you convince yourselves you’re not raving bigots is a mystery.
When it comes to Islam, I am indeed a “raving bigot.” Guilty as charged. For good reason, I might add. And yes I would sue if it were my child being subjected to this outrageous multi-CULTI propaganda. In fact I would do more than threaten to sue — I’d show up at the principal’s office and scream bloody murder until they took me out feet first.
I lost one of my children to that evil cult many years ago– I don’t intend to lose the other one. Make of that what you will.
Alex, what is your academic background?
p and a tale of one chip:
It’s rather pathetic you’re so insecure that you see a mosque visit as some kind of wholesale submission to Islam.
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All part of the ongoing, neverending but corrosive drip drip drip of multiculturalism…
“Alex, what is your academic background?”
He doesn’t have one Alex. Read his livejournal.
Susan:
I lost one of my children to that evil cult many years ago
I’m sorry to hear that. How did that happen?
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“All part of the ongoing, neverending but corrosive drip drip drip of multiculturalism…”
It would beggar belief if someone wrote that about a visit to a synagogue. I doubt anyone is advocating pulling down Erevs, banning kosher meat and closing synagogues because multiculturalism is a bad thing.
“I lost one of my children to that evil cult many years ago– I don’t intend to lose the other one. Make of that what you will.”
Firstly, I’m sorry for you, although if you don’t mind me asking how did you lose your child, i.e. what happened?
But the danger of declaring that every mosque visit is submission to the forces of evil, that every muslim is a cultist is that it’s a self-fulfilling prophesy – the reaction of anyone to a threat on their “culture” is radicalisation – and it’s a fairly unpleasant slur on the large numbers of moderate, law abiding muslims.
I’m no great fan of multiculturalism either but a bunch of 7 year old kids visiting a mosque, or a sikh temple, or a synagogue isn’t a big deal.
A large bunch of muslim kids becoming more radical, or ghettoised enclaves is a big deal. There is a difference.
I’m no great fan of multiculturalism either but a bunch of 7 year old kids visiting a mosque, or a sikh temple, or a synagogue isn’t a big deal.
p and a tale of one chip | 31.03.08 – 10:45 am
I’m inclined to agree. A check of the school website has the Year Two children making Torah scrolls from aluminum foil and cardboard tubes and Twinning with a Sri Lankan (Buddhist) school. This trip seems to be well inline with National Curriculum Religious Education guidelines. The story wasn’t even covered by the BBC so why waste bandwidth?
RE provokes challenging questions about the ultimate meaning and purpose of life. Faith schools are free to make their own arrangements.
Has anyone ever heard of an Islamic school visit to a synagogue, church or temple? Did they in any way adapt to the place e.g. kneel? It seems to me that is the real story.
“Alex, what is your academic background?”
Modern Languages, what’s yours?
“a self-fulfilling prophesy”
No, no, no. I’m embarrassed for you. Avoiding “a self-fulfilling prophesy” been the tactic followed by the entire western world for decades now and it hasn’t worked. That’s why they wanted to ban Fitna. It engenders opposition to Islamification which requires violence from muslims which is therefore “a self-fulfilling prophesy.”
Do you know in the Netherlands the police don’t bother dispersing (muslim) rioters because it would “escalate” the trouble. It doesn’t work of course but that wont stop the cognitively impaired police from doing it anyway.
“It would beggar belief if someone wrote that about a visit to a synagogue. I doubt anyone is advocating pulling down Erevs, banning kosher meat and closing synagogues because multiculturalism is a bad thing.”
This is just typical of egalitarians. In order to promote the illusion that everyone is equal, equally good, equally bad, none more blame worthy than any other they have to distort reality. Judaism is not Islam. Interestingly Jews are now being persecuted with a vigour that hasn’t been seen since WW2 by muslims. Judaism is not Islam. It is very bad form to make that comparison.
“A large bunch of muslim kids becoming more radical”
No, you have your facts wrong. The ring leader of the 7/7 bombers Mohammed Siddque Khan was age 31 when he died. He was married with 1 child and had another on the way. He was university educated. Out of the 4 7/7 bombers 2 of them were teenagers, the others were fully grown adults. To call them kids is, at the very best, glib. At worst it is base and evasive. Many people have tried to reduce them perverted individual psychology–petulant, young hot heads, repressed homosexuality etc–but that is not what they are: for they are Islamic terrorists.
Also, consider this:
David Cameron:
“Last year I visited Birmingham Central Mosque. While there, I was told that the 7/7 bombers were innocent and that, in fact, MI5 may have carried out the atrocities.I was particularly shocked because the person who said this was not some teenage hothead…he was the chairman of the Mosque…”
“Avoiding “a self-fulfilling prophesy” been the tactic followed by the entire western world for decades now and it hasn’t worked.”
What tactic – not treating the whole of Islam, every man woman and child, like a dangerous cult?
Plenty of reasonable people believe that government treatment of multiculturalism generally and radical Islam specifically has been poor without feeling the need to declare the whole of Islam as a dangerous cult.
“In order to promote the illusion that everyone is equal, equally good, equally bad, none more blame worthy than any other they have to distort reality. Judaism is not Islam.”
So what, multiculturalism is OK if you’re defined as an OK religion? By who exactly? Given history, I would bet that most of the UK’s Jews population here in the UK would be extremely uncomfortable with selective proscribing of a few million religious followers based on someone, or some system, declaring them bad but another group OK.
“A large bunch of muslim kids becoming more radical. No, you have your facts wrong”
No, I have my facts right: a large bunch of muslim kids are becoming more radical. The fact that Khan wasn’t a kid doesn’t change that.
Has anyone ever heard of an Islamic school visit to a synagogue, church or temple? Did they in any way adapt to the place e.g. kneel? It seems to me that is the real story.
Exactly.
Dan and others:
I hesitate to contradict your fine sense of fury over the prep school’s admirable desire to see its children understand each of the world’s major religions, but…
I recently had the pleasure to attend my little girl’s school Easter service. As it happens, the chairman of the PTA at this C of E school is a Muslim, and he’s succeeded in raising more for the school funds than any recent PTA leader. All of his 5 children have attended this primary, before going on to an Islamic secondary school.
What’s more, I sat a few rows back from his little boy, who happily sang, knelt, stood and prayed along with his otherwise entirely Christian classmates.
As yet, no fatwah has been issued against the family (prominent local business people) or the school and its patron, the local Anglican vicar.
Doubtless it’s been held up in the post.
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Alex, my academic background is engineering und ich habe auch ein gutes verstandnis fremden Sprache, nicht zu vergessen. Alors, pourquoi est-ce que vous croyez que vous ayez le droit d’insulter tant de contribuants?
I’m assuming German and French, Alex, but it’s irrelevant. What does matter is why you think that your background gives you some advantage over other contributors who post clear examples of BBC bias. I have not seen you demolish any of them. Indeed, the quality of some of the posts here, and the supporting links, puts the BBC’s ‘reporters’ to shame, if there were such a thing at the BBC.
—one chip | 31.03.08 – 12:41 pm
In this case the mosque visit may have been part of their general religious education. But such well intentioned educational ‘add-ons’ are justifiably regarded by people who fear Islam as the thin end of a wedge because they divorce Islam from what Hillhunt calls ‘the nasty side.’ Even at their most radical there is no element in any of the other religions you mention that is comparable to the hatred fear and violence espoused by Islam.
It’s not that a mosque visit in itself is a wholesale submission, as you very well know. It’s the normalisation of Islam, the first step in establishing a general acceptance that Islam is becoming part of the status quo. To those who fear this encroachment it symbolises an unwelcome societal change, whereas to you it seems harmless. But with all the undesirable aspects of Islam that are in front of your nose, the mystery is actually your complacency.
Your tactic, branding us as racist bigots, is an all too familiar argument stifler. Resorting to such verbal rhetoric merely shows you can hit out but not discuss. I see that in your later post you did modify that tactic, so good.
You obviously believe that normalising Islam will discourage radicalisation and encourage moderate Muslims. But this will not happen. I fear the opposite will be the case. Too many of the actual community leaders and Imams that preach in mosques are the ones who are dangerous, unadaptable, fear engendering, and the moderate muslims are in fact the ones who have adapted to a more secular way of life, i.e. are ‘bad’ muslims. Normalising Islam is wrong. Abnormalising it is right for this country.
Hillhunt,
Your daughter’s school has one Muslim pupil? Lucky for you that you don’t have to send her to a school where she’s the only non muslim pupil. (Assuming she is non muslim)
Ridiculing by exaggeration again, your fatwah remark was daft. Mind you, I know what you mean about the post. Terrible innit.
I wouldn’t generalise from Hillhunt’s personal interpretation of his Islamic experience above. My experience of Islam is very different.
I put much more credence on this assessment and exposition of the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘PROJECT’; here’s an extract:
“What makes The Project so different from the standard ‘Death of America! Death to Israel!’ and ‘Establish the global caliphate!’ Islamist rhetoric is that it represents a flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the ‘cultural invasion’ of the West. Calling for the utilization of various tactics, ranging from immigration, infiltration, surveillance, propaganda, protest, deception, political legitimacy and terrorism, The Project has served for more than two decades as the Muslim Brotherhood ‘master plan’. As can be seen in a number of examples throughout Europe • including the political recognition of parallel Islamist government organizations in Sweden, the recent ‘cartoon’ jihad in Denmark, the Parisian car-burning intifada last November, and the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London • the plan outlined in The Project has been overwhelmingly successful.
“Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Project:
*Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
*Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;
*Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;
*Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
*Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
*Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
*Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
*Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;
*Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing ‘academic’ studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
*Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;
*Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;
*Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
*Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
*Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
**Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;
*Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;
*Instituting alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;
*Creating autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;
*Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West ‘in a jihad frame of mind’;
*Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
*Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims;
*Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;
*Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;
*Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine;
*Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;
*Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;”
from:-
“THE ‘PROJECT’: MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD BLUEPRINT FOR CULTURAL JIHAD”
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2671
hillhunt’s daughter’s school has only one muslim pupil, clearly not from Birmingham then…
Looking at the article from George R | 31.03.08 – 3:36 pm | #, omitted from it is the most important component – PC in the west which is islam’s agent and facilitator. The BBC is PC embodied and is an agent and facilitator for islam. Imagine if there were no PC: islam would make no headway in the west because islam would not be allowed entry into the west. That is why PC is extremely important: it suppresses the western immune system.
“Your tactic, branding us as racist bigots, is an all too familiar argument stifler”
No, it’s a response to someone who sees a visit by schoolchildren to a place of worship – without any accompanying evidence – as something highly sinister, and suspect. It’s also a response to an inability by those making those generalisations that there is anything other than a dangerous, cultist form of Islam.
“the normalisation of Islam, the first step in establishing a general acceptance that Islam is becoming part of the status quo.”
For better or worse, Islam is part of the status quo, unless there are plans to eject the x million muslims currently living in the UK, or forcibly convert them to another religion, or shut down all mosques. Are you suggesting any of those options is either feasible or desirable?
“Too many of the actual community leaders and Imams that preach in mosques are the ones who are dangerous, unadaptable, fear engendering”
Agreed, but why that makes a trip to Yeovil mosque some act of dhimmitude is the same rather unpleasant insinuation that every Muslim is suspect and any recognition of Islam is in some way a capitulation from good to evil.
“You obviously believe that normalising Islam will discourage radicalisation and encourage moderate Muslims”
Well I don’t actually, because “normalising” Islam, could mean anything, depending on whether you’re simply libertarian – these people should be free to worship what they choose – or a full blown moonbat who thinks a parallel sharia legal system is A-OK.
What I do believe is that taking unnecessary steps to radicalise muslims is counterproductive.