Wonder if you managed to wade through Frank Gardner’s latest paean to the wonders of Arab diplomacy here? Yes, US and UK armed forces risk life and limb in the dangerous parts of Afghanistan fighting the Taliban but like all good leftists Frank believes that “winning hearts and minds” is the name of the game and this is where troops from the United Arab Emirates score, delivering humanitarian aid to their fellow Muslims and, on occasion, even fighting their way out of Taliban ambushes. Frank manages to get us some Afghan comment..
“People are not afraid that Emiratis will harm their religion, or disrespect the mosque or burn the mosque, things of this nature,” Governor Patan says. “People are very friendly with them. Everybody will drag them in for lunch or for dinner.” These are hearts-and-minds operations at their most effective – drinking tea with Afghans, discussing what help can be provided, Frank gushes.
The problem is that drinking tea is not going to do anything to stop the Taliban, much as the BBC might wish otherwise. This is a war. I also reject the implied slur concerning the behaviour of US/UK troops in the quote he provides. This is subtle character assassination of our own military and how they behave. Now I applaued all efforts made to combat Islamic extremism and in that regard the efforts of the UAE soldiers are to be welcomed but the likes of Frank Gardner is VERY selective who he lavishes praise upon – and the US and UK armed forces do not fall into this elite camp. Maybe if we sent in a battalion of aromatherapists and stress councillors Frank might take notice of the gallantry of OUR soldiers?
I’m not talking about the friggin’ Irish News, I’m talking about your blog and I said you had a broken link to Lionheart’s blog, NOT to the BNP.
Are you really that fucking thick or are you just pretending?!
READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY AND DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!
LOL Totally different lion heart.
http://lionheart.me.uk/blog/index.html
Check out this latest vomit-inducing piece from the BBC ‘news’ website:
“MINISTERS GO SWINGING INTO ACTION
Children’s Secretary Ed Balls took to the sky to encourage parents to let their children out to play.
He leapt onto a rope swing at a play park in south London to help publicise progress in the government’s Children’s Plan.
Not to be left behind, Culture Minister Andy Burnham also went back to his youth and jumped on the swing – to the delight of local school children.”
Pass the sick bucket.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7328556.stm
The link is:
http://http//lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
should be http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
THAT is the link on your blog, nothing remotely like http://lionheart.me.uk/blog/index.html
Another typo? 😆
Biodegradable’s Ghost:
I’m not talking about the friggin’ Irish News, I’m talking about your blog and I said you had a broken link to Lionheart’s blog, NOT to the BNP.
Are you really that fucking thick or are you just pretending?!
READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY AND DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!
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Someone has got it really bad. lol.
Did you work that out from a (BROKEN) link? It’s total crap, as DV about my interest in cameras and picture taking.
*roll eyes*
What a link to any thing on my blog has got to do with bias at the bbc is beyond me. Have you gone googling me too.
I think I may have an internet stalker!!
Sick or what lol
I said you had a broken link to Lionheart’s blog, NOT to the BNP.
You said,
‘I see you have a (broken) link to the infamous BNP supporting Lionheart blog’
Hence your implication was that I supported the BNP. Not me!!!
You’ve got it bad. lol
What a link to any thing on my blog has got to do with bias at the bbc is beyond me.
Is the link on your blog to the infamous Lionheart blog, yes or no?
Have you gone googling me too.
I merely clicked your link to your blog – that’s why you post it, isn’t it?
I think I may have an internet stalker!!
Don’t flatter yourself, I have better things to do.
Sick or what lol
Is the (broken) link on your blog to the infamous Lionheart blog, yes or no?
It’s clear for everybody to see, and I’m still waiting for an apology.
Is the (broken) link on your blog to the infamous Lionheart blog, yes or no?
First answer this my fine stalker.
But what business is it of yours?
What Mr. Garderer – who lost the use of his legs in Saudi Arabia, another name for Afghanistan – seems to fail to understand is that you can try to win hearts and minds till you’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t get over the fact that you’re an infidel, and so, you occupy the level – one below women – of Jews, homosexuals, apostates &c.
But yeah, I object to the use of BLU-82s (Daisy Cutters). They should use Paveways instead. They’re much cheaper.
It’s clear for everybody to see, and I’m still waiting for an apology.
It is clear and I’m waiting for my apology.
Typhoo,
Is the (broken) link on your blog to the infamous Lionheart blog, yes or no?
It’s posted on a publicly accessible web page – it’s everybody’s business.
Is the (broken) link on your blog to the infamous Lionheart blog, yes or no?
Joel:
‘I’ve read the article and your comments, still not sure what you think is biased about it. Nevermind, its about Muslims, that’s good enough.’
By the way, mate, that elephant in your living room has just shat on the floor again.
I think David Preiser clearly explained the bias in this BBC article.
*Gardner – sorry.
Here is the broken link on my web page.
http://lionheart.me.u/blog/index.html
It’s posted on a publicly accessible web page – it’s everybody’s business.
You’ve certainly made it yours lol.
Nothing better to do lol Guffaw!!
Lionheart recinded his support for the bNP when he found out more about them.
Typhoo:
Here is the broken link on my web page.
http://lionheart.me.u/blog/index.html
You are a cheat – you just changed it, and here’s the HTTP header from your web page to prove it.
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Last-Modified: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:54:50 GMT
Cache-Control: max-age=0 private
ETag: “1cb51285-572b-408d-8596-d57bab4ac3b7”
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:00:12 GMT
Server: GFE/1.3
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I also have a copy of the original source before you changed it rather than admitting you were wrong…
What difference does it make who supports the BNP? David Vance has invited them on to ATW for a debate.
Whats it got to do with Bias BBC and why in God’s name would anyone go looking and scouring my blog to see what they could find. Jesus!
I changed nothing! We’d been through the argument ane I fixed the link. Should I have asked your permission. I didn’tknow it was broken.
Crikey this guy is nuts. Seriously.
I didn’t scour anything, I clicked your Homepage link then clicked on the Lionheart link. Hardly rocket science or looking to see what I could find – it stared me in the face.
Now I think you really should admit to being a cheat and a liar, if only to yourself. You and I both know the truth, I just hope you can live with yourself. I for one won’t belive anything else you write here or anywhere else.
GFY
duh why would someone in NI support the BNP? You can’t even vote for them over here lol
Crikey this guy is nuts. Seriously.
You’re simply pathetic.
YOu’re sick.
I’m outta here if this guy is typical of the posters. I defeat him in an argument and he goes searching my home page to see what he can come up with, then accuses someone of supporting the BNP, (which is not illegal but I’m not a supporter because of a broken link),
Jesus get some treatment.
… then accuses someone of supporting the BNP…
I accused you of having a link to the BNP supporting Lionheart on your blog. You may have made an innocent mistake and wanted instead to link to another, but you DID have a link to the Lionheart blog and I can prove it. Instead you’ve denied it and changed the link to cover your sorry arse.
I have a copy of your original page which shows clearly the link http://http//lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
Like I said, maybe you innocently mistook the URL for another blog but the fact remains that you lie and cheat, deny the truth and insult me.
The google cache doesn’t lie:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:rEUZpe-rjW0J:hiberniagirl.blogspot.com/2008/03/workers-eye-up-norths-job-market.html+typhooshaunt.blogspot.com/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
See:
UK (including NI)
* A Place to Stand
* A Tangled Web
* Awaiting A Western Renaissance
* Beer N Sandwiches
* Biased BBC
* Civitas Blog
* Daniel Hannan [MEP]
* Fulham Reactionary
* Hannah’s Haunt
* I Want a Referendum.com
* Lionheart
In the right hand sidebar.
Now tell me which Lionheart you linked to.
Wrong URL to another blog, try this one:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ARwWkIRwljEJ:typhooshaunt.blogspot.com/2008/03/white-girl-britains-night-in-november.html+typhooshaunt.blogspot.com/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
Links.
* A Tangled Web
* Belfast Telegraph
* Biased BBC
* Dhimmi Watch.
* Hibernia Girl.
* Iain Dale’s Dairy
* Lion Heart
* PCSCZ you tube channel
* Slugger O’Toole.
* The Policemans blog.
* Typhoones you tube channel
that is you Typhoo, isn’t it?
And the link does go to http://http//lionheartuk.blogspot.com/ doesn’t it?
I’m not Hibernia girl. I don’t see any copy of my original page. I took this blog over originally from Hannah, it was hannahs haunt originally we’d set it up together, then she pulled out. Her husband has cancer and is fatally ill.
I did not link anything of the sort. You’ve gone and searched and linked stuff in your own head.
I have no wish to carry on any conversations with you at all. You linked pages that shouted out F*ck YOu you’ve gone searching my home page and accused me of having nice friends, I do not know the lion heart you speak off. If I supported the BNP i’d stand over it. They are perfectly legal, with no armed wing AFAIK, they are electable in some areas of britain, and what of it if I were. But I’m not. That however is not the issue. You went pointing the finger rather than ask politely after being defeated in an argument.
Do your self a favour Bio- don’t go looking to investigate those who have different opinions looking for some dirt to throw. It looks sick, it is sick.
I’d prefer to give you a wide berth.
I’m not answerable to you for who I support politically. It’s none of your business, nor that of biased BBC. the debate here is around bias on the bbc, stick to topic for the sake of your mental health.
If you have issues with my blog, the place to comment on it is there, not on biased BBC.
My My – what a little argument has gone on here today!.
My thanks to David Prieser for emphasising where the subtle bias lies.
Just as a point of interest, I think dropping Daisy-cuttesr on Bin Laden and his associates is a very good idea. The notion that attacking Islamic terrorists is “hate speech” is entertaining, wonder if Al Queda will sue me for impugning their character as…oh yes that’s right – maniacal degenerate murdering scum, that’s it.
Oh well dv at least you know what it is to have an internet stalker. Remember Jo? It seems I have one now too. Didn’t she accuse you of some rather nasty things?
Looks like we can all get them.
Bio’s mine. Ihope he keeps his distance. I wouldn’t want to have to report Biased bbc becuase I have a stalker!
I’m not Hibernia girl.
I know, I corrected my mistake. I’m still waiting for you to do the same.
You are Typhoo though aren’t you?
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ARwWkIRwljEJ:typhooshaunt.blogspot.com/2008/03/white-girl-britains-night-in-november.html+typhooshaunt.blogspot.com/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
I did not link anything of the sort. You’ve gone and searched and linked stuff in your own head.
google cache is not in my head, and you can’t stealth edit it. You did link to Lionheart’s blog (see link above) and I’m simply amazed that you don’t just admit it as a mistake and get it over with.
I have no wish to carry on any conversations with you at all.
Our conversation began when I questioned your claim that Frank Gardner had been crippled by a bomb in Afghanistan – you defended that mistake too.
I honestly don’t give a fig who you support politically and I don’t care whether Lionheart has since withdrawn his support for the BNP. My point isn’t about Lionheart or the BNP. What I do care about at this stage is being called a liar when the reality is that the liar is you.
Once you realised that in fact there was a link to a questionable site on your blog you denied it, edited the page in an attempt to hide the evidence, and then called me a liar and worse.
I’m sorry but that sort of behavior is the lowest of the low, it’s dishonest in the extreme and you know it.
I have no issues with your blog because I didn’t bother to read it. I have issues with your credibility and your morals.
I’m not stalking you but I simply will not let you get away with calling me a liar.
David Vance, I read David Prieser post, and I am still unsure where the bias is, could you spell it out in more specific detail for me?.
I do agree with your comment that Frank Gardner is normally selective in who he gives his nod of approval too, in fact Mr Gardner normally comes across as the bastard lovechild of Galloway and Plett!.
Coming back to this article, I really am struggling to understand where the bias is, and would appreciate someone explaining to me what I have failed to spot.
Great post David. I noticed Gardener’s piece a couple of days again and was struck by the lavish praise he gave the UAE’s muslim troops – a stark contrast to the way Al-Beeb normally write about the British & US forces out there. Good point about the “hearts and minds” approach that Al-Beeb favour over actually fighting a war. Without US & British troops to give them protection the UAE soldiers would end up being slaughtered by the Taliban for not being islamic enough. The sub-text, of course, of Gardener’s report was that only muslims can solve problems for other muslims (although that hasn’t worked out so well in Sudan has it?)
Your link goes back to March 11. I’ve had trouble as others have with cached pages.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3589958.htm
http://forums.seochat.com/google-optimization-7/wrong-cache-showing-on-google-186733.html
There can be all sorts of errors with cached pages, from wrong sites, bugs you name it. You have based your comments on their reliability, when it’s not one hundred percent.
‘I honestly don’t give a fig Who you support politically and I don’t care whether Lionheart has since withdrawn his support for the BNP. My point isn’t about Lionheart or the BNP.’
Yes it was, otherwise why raise it?
‘What I do care about at this stage is being called a liar when the reality is that the liar is you. ‘
That is another lie. If you didn’t care why raise the issue At all. Way before any stage, why raise it, and go looking for something to throw at anyone who bested you in an argument?
‘to I have no issues with your blog because I didn’t bother to read it.’
You did today plenty.
I’m sorry but that sort of behavior is the lowest of the Low,
Stalking someone and accusing them before you have the full facts and basing your accusations on cache pages which can be totally unreliable is low, indicitive of a sick mind, and totally nutty. Lets remember you went looking when the argument we had was finished. Why? Looking for something to throw anything. AS far back as March 11. Dear oh Dear you’ve got it bad.
I’ll contact google folks and maybe the internet abuse folks……Keep your distance and no more replies to me. Don’t underestimate me, I’ll report the abuse.
You have based your comments on their reliability, when it’s not one hundred percent.
I based my comments on the comments of your blog. You changed the link, although you deny it I can prove it.
Stop wriggling and own up, you really are devious.
‘to I have no issues with your blog because I didn’t bother to read it.’
You did today plenty.
No I didn’t. I was interested to see who you linked to, that’s all. I cast an eye over your posts’ title and didn’t see anything that I thought was worth reading in any depth.
Stalking someone and accusing them before you have the full facts and basing your accusations on cache pages which can be totally unreliable is low, indicitive of a sick mind, and totally nutty.
I’m not stalking you, in fact I have the feeling you’re stalking me.
My accusations are based on a time stamped copy of your web page – I said you had a link to a certain web site – you deny it – I have the proof it was true at the time I made the accusation – you even deny you made that change.
As for cheap psychology, keep it for your own brain farts.
I’ll contact google folks and maybe the internet abuse folks.
How exactly am I abusing you and what do you think google will do about it… change their cache to support your cheating?
Keep your distance and no more replies to me.
I am at around 2,000Km distant from you and have no wish to get any closer. If you post any more comments to or about me I am well within my rights to respond, and I will, especially if you continue to accuse me of lying.
Don’t underestimate me, I’ll report the abuse.
Don’t overestimate yourself.
Remember: By clicking Publish you indemnify B-BBC and accept full legal responsibility for your comments
I wouldn’t want to have to report Biased bbc becuase I have a stalker!
Typhoo | Homepage | 03.04.08 – 5:51 pm |
Keep your distance and no more replies to me. Don’t underestimate me, I’ll report the abuse.
Typhoo | Homepage | 03.04.08 – 6:45 pm |
Either cool down or go away.
I based my comments on the comments of your blog.
Should read “I based my comments on the contents of your blog.”
Three quotes from the piece showing Al-Beeb’s bias…
“Unlike most western military officers, he has spent over two years getting to know these villagers,”
This quote from Gardener’s report smacks of bias – what evidence does he have that “most western military officers” haven’t spent time getting to know Afghan villagers ? And again notice the casual way that Gardner accepts the anti-infidel bigotry of the Afghan muslims. Imagine how Al-BBC would report
British villagers saying they would only be policed by Christian police officers and not muslim ones ?
“People are not afraid that Emiratis will harm their religion, or disrespect the mosque or burn the mosque, things of this nature,” Governor Patan says.
The implication from the Governor and one that Gardener does nothing to challenge is that Western troops disrespect and destroy mosques. All the evidence shows the opposite – that Western forces have gone out of their way not to upset the poor sensitive Islamic feelings of the Afghans or attack their mosques (unlike Sunni muslims who seem to have no qualms in destroying Shia Muslim mosques in Iraq or Pakistan).
“These are hearts-and-minds operations at their most effective – drinking tea with Afghans, discussing what help can be provided.
The Emirati approach is to meet their fellow Muslims’ religious needs first, then build schools and clinics later”
Gardener’s opinion presented as fact. What evidence does he have that this is the most effective method “hearts and minds operation”? And again, can one imagine Gardener giving such a glowing report to an American aid effort?
Hi TPO! :+:
Terry Johnson,
Thanks for the explanation. I still think that the claims of bias are on the most part unfounded about this particular report, however, I also accept that Mr Gardner has not helped himself with his poor choice of words.
Maybe this is the kind of islamic “hearts and minds” campaign that would win over Afghan villagers…
“A couple accused of adultery are reported to have been stoned to death in northern Pakistan by the Taleban.
The pair ran away together but after being hunted down they were brought before a Taleban court in the Mohmand tribal district.
A Taleban spokesman said the couple had confessed and were then sentenced to be put to death by stoning.”
If only the couple had sat down to tea with the Taleban or helped with their religious needs then this kind of thing could have been avoided.
Terry,
Do you have a link to this story?.
Hi Bio, how’s your sunny spot? 8)
We’re only just getting out of the minus temperatures now.
As a matter of interest I caught most of Gardner’s report on BBC World.
It came across as a puff piece. Full of inuendo. The only locals interviewed were those that said, “Don’t like the Americans, but love our Muslim brothers.”
Gardner hawks himself as a ‘Middle East security expert’, but my own experiences, admittedly from the 70’s, were that Gulf and Saudi soldiers weren’t really up to it. Not at all reliable, especially in conflict situations. The Omani’s were slightly better, but they were bolstered by Baluchis and Pakistanis.
I suspect, however, that access to the UAE contingent was done with the approval of the US.
Flawed Logic, yes sorry it’s on Al_beeb’s S.Asia pages…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7327248.stm
The report then goes on to say..
“A Taleban spokesman said the couple confessed to adultery before a Taleban court, and were stoned to death that night.
The Taleban have killed people in this way in Afghanistan in the past, but this is believed to be only the second time that they have done so in Pakistan.”
Strangely we don’t learn from Al-BBC if this is a punishment approved of by Islamic law. If it is doesn’t it somewhat contradict Frank Gardner’s gushing description of the joys of a shared Islamic faith when talking about the “muslim bond” between UAE soldiers and Afhgan villagers ?
See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7328892.stm
Interesting title for a news story:
“Men ‘planned airliner explosions'”.
What kind of men?
Perhaps the BBC should use the term ‘humans’ so as not to demonise men?
Following on from my comment above concerning the stoning of a couple in Pakistan…I wonder why Al-BBC didn’t run this story on it’s world news headline page instead of a sob story about a Hamas “activist” dying in PA police custody? Don’t tell me that Al-Beeb think the death of an anti-semite is more newsworthy than the stoning to death of two innocent people. Here we are in the 21st Century and a story that should be major news – a story that shows the Taleban to be murderous scumbags – is hidden away while the Hamas scumbag gets all the publicity.
‘ No I didn’t. I was interested to see who you linked to, that’s all. I cast an eye over your posts’ title and didn’t see anything that I thought was worth reading in any depth.’
Thats a lie, and its clear from this very thread. LOL.
YOU posted this.
I see you have a (broken) link to the infamous BNP supporting Lionheart blog.
“Interesting” friends you have.
hmmm…
http:// http://www.littlegreenfootballs….tring=Lionheart
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Still waiting to hear what little green footballs has got to do with it. LOL.
You’re still lying. Now whats lgf all about, an error in a cached page??????????
Oh dear!!
Hi TPO,
Spring is warming up nicely down here, sunny and max of 20ºC plus lately, by August we’ll be into the high 30s.
Wasn’t it our birthdays recently?
I saw it on BBC World too and noted that though the Emiratis had some nice kit they wouldn’t venture out unless it was safe for them, so even being brother Arabs doesn’t seem to offer them all that much immunity.
They even insisted on having most of their faces blurred out for fear of being accused of collaborating with The Great Satan by their own countrymen. So much for Arab unity.
Steve, good point. A good news team would find out any link between the charged men and describe them accordingly . Hmmm, what shared link did these eight men have ? Where they all members of any particular grouping ? Did the mystery something that linked them have anything to do with their intended actions ? Did the mystery something advocate killing those who weren’t like the eight men? Maybe Al-BBC should watch “Fitna” .Hmm , which book tells it’s followers to use “terror” against the unfaithful ?
Still waiting to hear what little green footballs has got to do with it. LOL.
You really are a fucking bore! (so sue me for swearing!)
See here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/7725424153696301134/#392508
I provided a link to posts at LGF that deal with Lionheart.
I have proof?
lol. How many times?? In fact I think I will link the other lion hearts site now, it looks interesting, as I said before, I would have no problem if I supported the BNP. They aren’t even formed here -AFAIK.
Now whats little green footballs all about