. So it’s a pleasant Sunday morning and I write this watching the trees in my garden gently sway in a light breeze. There is a little sunshine and it is a mild June day. Nothing very unusual about that. But I was expecting a visit by at least one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse having read THIS weather report which the BBC has been flagging up for the past 24 hours. We’re warned that there will be “Rare” gales which will be vicious. BBC forecaster Tomasz Schafernaker said the weather “was abnormal” for June. (Hint of global warming anyone?) Don’t know what it’s like for you but the only thing I see that is abnormal is the consistent pattern of the BBC getting the weather forecasts wrong. The BBC NI portal runs this as the second lead story this morning – must be a slow news day.
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Last night on BBC News 24 they were reviewing the papers. One story that got a lot of attention was one in the Observer that claimed most of “us” don’t believe in man made climate change.
Oh dear. The beeboids didn’t seem impressed with that. “But all the worlds scientists have told us it’s true” squarked one. Er no, there are as many who say it’s bollocks, it’s just they don’t get any airtime from the BBC.
So expect a massive Global warming “push” from the BBC over the next few weeks.
Whether it’s HOT, COLD, MILD, CALM, WINDY or RAINING in June, it all proves manmade global warming.
Get with the BBC sanctioned programme people.
And don’t ASK QUESTIONS.
So consistently wrong was the BBC weather forecast for my area, that I actually complained to them, a couple of years ago.
Naturally, as always when you take issue with the mighty Corporation, my comments were brushed aside.
If the same Met Office team can’t get tomorrow’s weather right, why should anyone believe a word they say about what will happen in ten years’ time?
here in Lancashire, about 20 miles from the coast, its overcast and blowing a gentle breeze. last weeked was worse
but one has to remember, it was the same people that said last year would be the warmest on record in line with the global warming bollox
it turned out to be wet, wet and wet
dont know how they came to the conclusion that last year would be the hottest on record while the little ole earth has been getting colder and colder since 1998
*UPDATE* the winds died down to nothing now
David Vance:
I was expecting a visit by at least one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse
Funny that. I was expecting to read a blog written by someone with a minimum reading age of, ooooh, at least 9.
Here’s what the BBC published:
Northern Ireland and southern Scotland may also be affected.
That’s may as in – maybe it will, maybe it won’t.
Here in Northern England, as predicted, the wind’s blowing like a tuba-player marching uphill. With a back-pack full of bricks.
If the same Met Office team can’t get tomorrow’s weather right, why should anyone believe a word they say about what will happen in ten years’ time?
GCooper | 22.06.08 – 11:15 am | #
Oh… 10 years is nothing. These guys, who can’t predict with ANY accuracy what the weather will be like next week, are telling us in hundreds of years.
Note people. The computer models they use — and that’s ALL it is… are BASED on the computer models used for weather forecasting. The ones that cannot be relied upon more than a week in advance.
Garbage in, global warming out. Maybe the BBC would like to mention that occasionally?
If you think Computer Models can predict the the immense variability of a WHOLE planet over the next 100 years, how come they can’t be used to make you rich predicting the Stock Market?
Oh, it’s terrible here in York. The slightly-above-mild wind threatens to mess my do up. And what about the poor little birdies who want to go contrary to the direction that the wind is blowing? They’ll get tired, poor mites, and blow up or something. Global Warming is going to kill all of us, and it’s all George Bush’s fault.
Hillhunt,
Is York in Northern England?
Gibby,
Yeah, I blame Bush as well. When will we ever learn? Now, I’m off for a nice Sunday walk!
Not that it signifys anything but here on the wirral my trees are taking a real hammering..rather more than a gentle breeze.
On beeb gardening progs(other channels too)we are constantly told to prepare our gardens for drought caused by the fabled gw.We are to grow plants more usually found in the med.If I was foolish enough to take the advice my rather lush,green and very damp garden would be a disaster…who is behind this nonsensical push?
keep up with the plot guys.
The official term, as emphasised by Hilary Benn in last week’s Question Time, is now becoming “Dangerous Climate Change”. This means that any local flooding, high winds, abnormally hot or cold weather (none of which we’ve ever suffered at any time before in the history of the Earth (oops sorry I mean planet)) can neatly be pinned on Man.
** Apparently we need the EU because nobody else “on the planet” can help us tackle this “dangerous climate change”. **
Pretty blowy in the Midlands, but nothing to get excited about – unless you have an agenda, that is!
As an aside, the BBC 5 day forecast is being continually changed, so the forecast for Wednesday today will have changed by tomorrow, and again on Tuesday (and will still be wrong). Happens almost without fail.
As GCooper says above..”If the same Met Office team can’t get tomorrow’s weather right, why should anyone believe a word they say about what will happen in ten years’ time?”
Does anyone know why the Today programme has scrapped its on-line message board setup?
BBC newspaper review – BBC anchors holding up newspaper say its astonishing that the majority of the British public are not convinced climate change is caused by humans. BBC guest newspaper reviewer says that British people are too busy with daily lives and don’t think long term.
Sky newspaper review – Sky guest newspaper reviewer says newspaper article says British people not convinced climate change caused by humans. Sky Anchor says …because climate has always changed before humans were on the planet…?
The latest BBC mantra is that the British (and Irish) public are too thick to understand anything from european treaties to climate change issues.
Actually, it’s windying up a bit now. But, nothing extraordinary. I measure how severe the wind is by how far away my polythene greenhouse thingy ends up. So far, it hasn’t even lifted up.
Weather update!
It is windy here as well – still not spotted any horsemen of the apocalyse though! (Though at least they would be driving gas guzzling SUV’s, thank god)
You can hear the Beeboids groaning over this report in their favourite Sunday ‘multicult’ paper:
“Poll: Most Britons doubt cause of climate change”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/22/climatechange.carbonemissions
We can expect the BBC environmental lobby to redouble its efforts by giving even more broadcasting space to their chums from the self-important ‘green’ fringe lobby groups.
The BBC doesn’t accept the result of this ‘poll’, so like the EU bureaucrats on the Irish vote, the BBC will propagandise on until it gets the vote it wants.
BRIAN BORU | 22.06.08 – 12:45 pm
to clear bandwidth for ed stourton’s vids.
climate update from Lancashire
occasional gusts, not as windy as last weekend, no sign of pandas, polar bears, paddington bear or rupert the bear
60 mph is not a major storm – its when you get to 80-90 that you really have to worry.
That said, the weather maps did show a nasty low coming in, but we get those in from the Atlantic all the time.
Nothing that unusual here.
I’n no meteorologist — and I don’t even play one on this blog..
But aren’t winds the result of hot air and cold air colliding?
further weather update from Liverpool:
wind calmed down a bit from what best could be described earlier as ‘blowy’. no tiles missing from roof, chinmey stack ok and hair not really messed up.
nothing really to get excited about but no doubt the beeb will find someway of blaming a breezy June day on some oik driving a 4X4.
im curious as to the state of play of Gibbys “polythene greenhouse thingy” has it took off yet???
The reason why weather forecasts are rarely accurate past 24 hours is because the measurements used to create them, like temperature and air pressure, are taken at locations which are very spaced out. In such a complex, chaotic system, the further apart those measurements happen the less chance you have of making an accurate model.
If we wanted to make a very accurate model we’d have to have sensors that were inches from each other, spread all over the globe. Even this would be inaccurate – unless we can find a way to measure pressure and temperature at intervals of atomic distances, forecasts and models will never tell us the whole story.
But we don’t have anything like this. We take measurements that are miles from each other, and bodge together mathematical models that are sometimes useful but often highly inaccurate. Our weather forecasts are not reliable. Here in America I’ve given up relying even on sites like Accuweather.com, because they’re wrong every day.
Global warming models are created with data that is even more spread out and liable to errors and inaccuracies. They feed inaccurate and incomplete data into mathematical models that themselves are full of inaccuracies, wild assumptions and guesswork. They are basing a theory and forcing political “solutions” based on a science that 250 years from now, we will laugh heartily at – provided we aren’t enslaved to global Marxism by then in which case there will be no laughter at all.
By the way I think this site should be buried in a time capsule in the Blue Peter garden so that our future generations can dig it up and know that at least some people stayed sane throughout all of this.
Did they ever manage to get it up and running again after young hoodlums with mop hair and tartan flares roughed it up in the 70’s? I’ll never forget the look on Percy Thrower’s face.
The BBC’s weather goblins have been out and about in Manchester planting freshly-dropped tree branches here and there in a desperate attempt to stand up today’s weather reporting. Will this corruption never end?
Jason:
By the way I think this site should be buried in a time capsule in the Blue Peter garden so that our future generations can dig it up and know that at least some people stayed sane throughout all of this.
Did they ever manage to get it up and running again after young hoodlums with mop hair and tartan flares roughed it up in the 70’s? I’ll never forget the look on Percy Thrower’s face
Jason, not having watched Blue Peter for some yrs i’ve no doubt the garden is now a bastion of multi-cult in true beeb fashion, i’ll even wager the gnomes are wearing a burqa
If it’s so windy (and it is here) maybe they’ll get the chance to generate some lecky from all those wind turbines the Government has put off shore. Unless some ship’s managed to run into them. Again.
What? It’s too windy? Well I never.
“If the same Met Office team can’t get tomorrow’s weather right, why should anyone believe a word they say about what will happen in ten years’ time?”
Erm….. what are you on about?
Can I just point out that the wind today was as forecast by the Met Office – mean wind speeds of 30-40 mph and gusts up to (and possibly over) 60mph have been reported across the central swathe of the UK.
George – Please don’t take out your reading problems on us. David Vance and I were both quite specific – as were several others.
Just to amplify my earlier point (and to pick up on a comment made later by someone else) I have been paying particular attention to the five day forecast for my area, as I had something planned for today. Not only has it been changing every few hours all week but it was materially wrong today – as it so often is.
So the BBC report that gales are predicted…
The predicted gales happen…
What’s the problem?
Oh yeah – even though they made absoletely no reference to global warming/climate change in the article at all, we just know that they are doing it to make everyone ditch their SUVs and cheap flights.
After all, we all know there is no other reason to publish an article like this at all, right?
MisterMinit: another Beeboid who has mysteriously lost the ability to read.
Is there some new disorder we should be reading about in the next BMJ?
GCooper – show me what I failed to read then.
MM – just re-read my posts about persistent unreliability. Then read Mr Vance’s post and ask yourself whether the dire predictions were justified.
Take your time.
GCooper – I’m not sure I follow.
“The storms – with winds which could reach 65mph across parts of Britain – are expected to peak at about midday.”
They hit 63 mph at Blackpool Airport.
“With the trees in full leaf, as the high winds blow through, they are liable to pull branches down.”
Trees falling on powerlines caused several power outages today along with tree crashing into cars and houses.
What part of the article do you think wasn’t justified?
MM writes: “What part of the article do you think wasn’t justified?
The part that David Vance was writing about – the forecast for, presumably, Northern Ireland.
I’d say the same about the joke that’s played on Southern England, too. Day after day after day…
You mean: “but Northern Ireland and southern Scotland may also be affected.”??
Is that it? Is that what’s wrong with the article?
Inevitable that the Global Warming fraternity would get excited about a stormy June.
However while a stormy June is unusual, it’s hardly unprecedented. In fact the best documented is 1944.
D-day and all that? A period of “barely tolerable weather”, delayed invasion, swimming duplex-drive tanks swamped, paratroopers scattered everywhere, floating mulberry harbours smashed up, ships washed up on the invasion beaches, etc etc.
I have heard of a 62-64 year cycle for weather.
Funnily enough it pissed non-stop in 43, stormy June in 44, vicious winter in 44 and more worryingly an absolute killer of a winter in 45.
Please bring on some global warming.
Northern Ireland 8.45am – Monday morning. Sun shining – birds signing -still no sign of the horsemen.
The point is this; the BBC acts as a fulcrum for AGW alarmism and whether the weather is too warm, too cold, too windy, too dry, you just KNOW who is to blame. A windy day in June is dressed up and given a lead story prominence way beyond its import. Why?
Jeff Todd:
Inevitable that the Global Warming fraternity would get excited about a stormy June.
However while a stormy June is unusual, it’s hardly unprecedented. In fact the best documented is 1944.
Nicely played sir.
Of course, thanks to today’s brave new progressive teaching industry, the yoof probably thinks D-Day is a the latest street name for “E”.
Or Durex Awareness Day.
Test
Are we at the bottom of the barrel yet?
So an accurate weather forecast with no mention of anything other than what may happen is evidence of bias in favour of global warming. Even though there is not a single word in the document that could lead any rational person to see evidence of bias, we know it’s there – right?
While June often shows us the other side of summer, this was clearly a bit more wind than you might expect to get this time of year. If the report said – what has global warming got to do with this – then there might be something to write about – but there is nothing apart from the imagined bias you create.
Sarah Jane,
I could not disagree with you more.
The Beebs biased on this subject is horrendous.
I’m still trying to find anyone in the media, or green organisations (same thing really) that will take a seriously large bet with me that the Arctic will NOT be ice free by the summer of 2013.
There must be at least one person out there that is willing to take the bet???