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The BBC’s main political preoccupation in its current propaganda is ‘climate change’.
The BBC doesn’t pretend to present conflicting scientific arguments on the issue, it simply propagandisies in support of any undemocratic, masochistic ‘greenie’ plans for even higher fuel prices, and for the closure of coal-fired power stations.
From its weekly reporting from the Arctic (by different reporters!), to its sympathetic reporting of the occupation of Kingsnorth power station, the BBC’s obsession is relentless.
The resulting power cuts, and ever higher fuel prices on British people are of no concern to the BBC. The economic consequences of the UK having, in the future, some of the highest fuel prices in the world because of undemocratic ‘green’ action, is irrelevant to the BBC.
The TOADY(freak)SHOW reported that “coalition forces are killing many more civilians than taliban”! So the agenda is clear,subvert and sabotage the war against the taliban in Afghanistan,now that the BBC efforts to portray Iraq as a failure ended in failure, the BBC are targeting its venomous anti American/NATO propaganda on afghanistan.
Look forward to many more unsubstantiated reports of murdered civilians and bombed ‘innocent wedding parties’ and splits/divisions and protests by anti war agitators. Are the BBC in regular contact with the taliban? The BBC have instant access to taliban accusations of NATO ‘war crimes’ and these are reported without any checks as though the taliban always tell the truth and wouldnt stoop to lying to smear coalition forces as reckless indicriminate killers.
The BBC are helping the taliban, they are the talibans vital propaganda link to world/Islamic public opinion and quite frankly these grubby organisations deserve each other and I hope they fall together.
THE BBC: WE SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND EVIL PERVERTED KILLERS, ITS WHAT WE DO!
Here’s a curious one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7609727.stm
All about children being left ‘home alone’.
“It is thought the trainee teacher had been honeymooning with her new husband.” says the BBC.
“Mrs Sadiq’s eldest child, aged 14, lives with her ex-husband, Parvez Sadiq, the father of all her children.
The mother-of-four also uses her previous surname of Sezgun after the couple divorced under Islamic law, but they have yet to do so under British civil law.”
PLease note how Al-Beeb, in referring to her ‘honeymoon’ and ‘ex-husband’, recognises Islamic law over British law.
BBC news 24 yesterday (10/9/08)reported that McCain had ‘slashed Obama’s lead’. Interesting way of saying that McCain is ahead in the polls.
Did you see the coverage given to the Harmon ‘lets all shout the word “hate” at the white middle classes’ speech yesterday on radio 5?
It was amusing for its balance… First we heard Harmon give the speech, then we heard from trade unionists congratulating her speech, then we heard from the chairman of the new national tractor production committee set up to monitor these inequalities.
And, then did we hear from an opposing voice? No, we got a read out from one of the presenters:
The (Baby Eating) Conservatives claims this is little more then class war.
And erm that was it.
I have to say though, just after 5pm, there was an interview on the subject with a commissioner from the equal Rights Commission, or whatever the body that absorbed the CRE etc is called.
What was hilarious was that the interviewer really pulled the rug under her and gave her hard time.
However, what came as most revealing was that she the commissioner was exposed as little more then a Labour Party spokesman, and not a very good one. Talentless and entirely reliant on the party for patronage, in return for loyalty.
BrianSJ said:
“BBC news 24 yesterday that McCain had ‘slashed Obama’s lead’. Interesting way of saying that McCain is ahead in the polls.”
What they said is correct. The BBC are tracking four polls and McCain and Obama are ahead in two each.
Averaging out the four polls makes Obama still ahead by a small margin, i.e. McCain has slashed Obama’s lead.
here is the link avail today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/fivelive_aod.shtml?fivelive/drive
ff to 1hr 5mins and 30 secs.
mark2.
I am sorry, but the ‘news’ is not about the two polls closing the gap, but the news is the polls where the leadership has changed hands. This is what any commercial news organisation would have zoomed in on. The bbc ignores the main headline of the news, because it doesnt like it.
George R
Quite right. But I sense the BBC are stepping up the rhetoric because they know the the ‘wheels’ are coming off the MMGW waggon, and the Indians are on the hills with the caravan in their sight.
Whenever a ‘doubting’ MMGW blog/item appears the ‘name calling/hate’ comments are getting fewer, and the ones that do appear are clearly ‘brain washed’ moonies, repeating the same mantra over and over again ‘consensus, not a scientist, denier, biggest danger …….’. They have nothing new to say.
The hockey stick has been trashed, as has the Gore film,, NASA says Arctic ice is expanding as it the Antarctic . There are other explanations for a whole host of other geographical happenings. Spring was late this year, the Summer has been cold, and if we have a cold winter (and people unable to heat their homes properly) then that may be enough to kick away the wheel altogether.
Just wait, keep recording their antics, and when the truth gets to it’s tipping point the BBC must be put very close to the top of the ‘bonfire of the vanities’.
As I said earlier, if there were two routes this government could take (easy and hard) in regards to energy affordability…the Government has proved me right this morning by taking the hard route.
Can any one explain how those on low incomes, who are already struggling to pay their power bills, will find the money to pay for the insulation of their house?
Further more, how will the new government proposals help those in flats or other accomodation they dont own save power?
AND…how many f8cking public servants will be required to administer what will no doubt be a f8cking mare of a system?!?!?!
Talk about turning something that should be simple (remove VAT) in to something that will be a f9cking mare to run!
Mailman
Video/audio Tribute to September 11th 2001
You will not be forgotten
http://attacked911.tripod.com/
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The Democrats seem unable to resist attacking Palin. The more they do, the more it seems to drive the American public to support her.
Looks like the MSM will stuff Osama up like they stuffed Kerry.
Will they ever learn?
BBC news are running a ‘report’ allowing a ‘regugee’ to make the obviously false accusation that NATO forces are engaging in indesciminate murdering of civilians and bombing whole villages with no regard to civilian casualties, the ‘refugee’ given free air to blame NATO(foreign forces) for the conflict!
According to this ‘regugee’ the taliban are not the problem and its only the presence of NATO causing the conflict! No NATO comment was sought,no anti taliban views were sought,no comfirmation of these accusations were sought,no critical questions were put to the ‘refugee’ as he repeated the taliban party line,no proviso that the allegations could not be verified was given to the viewer, just pure unadulterated anti NATO/pro taliban propaganda!
The BBC political line is that the taliban are freedom fighters engaging in a heroic and unequal struggle against a murderous and reckless NATO intent on wholesale civilian murder!
What we know is that when a terrorist campaign falters the terrorists call on their useful idiots in the media to accuse the western forces of war crimes/civilian killings etc in an attempt to turn public opinion against the conflict and the BBC among others are more than happy to play the useful idiot/terrorist promoter.
The taliban are being beaten, that much we know, we also know that the taliban need a reprieve from NATO attacks, thats obvious, all thats needed is for people to open their eyes to the nature of the anti west anti NATO propaganda being spewed out by the fifth column media including the BBC.
The talibans tactics now include surrounding themselves with women and children as human shields often taking women and children with them or dressing as women forcing NATO forces to refrain from attacking them.
The taliban are clearly using illegal tactics and they are using the BBC to spread their message, and its the mug taxpayer footing the bill not only for the war but for the antiwar propaganda too.
mailman:
“Can any one explain how those on low incomes, who are already struggling to pay their power bills, will find the money to pay for the insulation of their house?”
If they are on benefits they can get loft insulation or cavity wall insulation installed free.
mark2. Once again you miss the point. The people struggling the most are not the feckless, the useless, the hopeless and the lame, these people are already taking care of, its the working poor, those who work at tescos, those who work for £6.00 an hour, those who earn enough to survive, but not enough to get help.
These are the people who get screwed by inflation.
Dog Whisperer V Dog Borstal
Private V BBC
America V Britain
An A grade genius with a phenomenal understanding of dog behaviour and psychology V A bunch of jumped up wannabe bad lads army type instructors with a limited understanding of dog psychology
Great American people who really care about their dogs V a bunch of white trash scum, either too fat, too thin or too stupid, who shove burgers in their dogs face. Horrible people. British people.
If they are on benefits they get…..
So yet more incentive not to bother going to work. brilliant
Mark2, Im not talking about the unemployed. Im talking about people who work and are on low incomes…the very family that SHOULD have been interviewed this morning by Al Beeb, not a family in a very nice massive probably 6 bedroom detached house. Hardly representative of the majority of London dwellings.
Although, answer this…if you are unemployed how will you go about getting your house insulated when you dont own that house?
Mailman
Tell the BBC what you think of the licence fee here. They are ‘consulting’ us again, using our money of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open_consultations/tv_licence.html
Ha. Biden admits Hillary would have been a better pick than himself!!!
Justin Webb interviewing Carly Fiorina on Sarah Palin and talking about her religious beliefs.
‘Doesn’t it send out an odd signal to the rest of the world that America has someone in such a powerful position who simply denies what most rational people in the western world would accept as being basic scientific truth’
Sweet Jesus.
Great line to take when you’re talking about the Christian Right in the US.
Let’s see you bring it out next time you’re interviewing a M**l*m.
I am gobsamcked – absolutely gobsmacked.
At least Carly socked it to him.
Pete
They’re not really consulting about what we think of the licence fee. They say at the bottom: “This review is not about whether there should be a licence fee or how much it should be…”
They seem to just want to know HOW we should pay it and what sort of thugs should enforce it.
Bizarre lefty call in on Radio 2 as we speak.
You should not buy re-possesed houses.
Wha next? You shouldn’t buy items on sale?
If John McCain or Sarah Palin asked a man in a wheelchair to stand up, do you think the BBC would ignore it?
Here is Biden’s latest gaffe – it’s a corker:
Don’t expect to read about it on the BBC anytime soon though.
I can’t wait for the Palin vs. Biden debate.
Martin – Guido’s got a better one: http://www.order-order.com/2008/09/biden-gaffe.html
Tell the BBC what you think of the licence fee here.
Pete | 11.09.08 – 11:48 am | #
What an amazing ‘poll’, not least because much of it is not box ticking but qualitative, which means a drone needs to read it.
Took me about 15 minutes, mainly because they did ask, for example…
Question 8. Based on your experiences of other collection agencies, such as local councils, utility companies and the DVLA, do you have any suggestions on alternative ways of collection?
No. These provide licence-requiring or fee-demanding services that I either can opt not to use or are essential. I also have various means, via complaints systems and/or my vote, to affect how these systems operate if they fall below a standard I expect. There is hence no equivalence.
Question 9. Overall, do you think the right balance has been struck between encouraging payment and deterring evasion? Please explain
No. But again, this is a unique situation. You are encouraging payment for something the user has no option but to pay for no matter how they feel about the quality of the product.
So far in this ‘survey’, no pertinent questions have been asked that address this rather key aspect. Nor, I suspect, will it. Another self-serving, money-consuming, box-ticking, jobsworth-employing, agenda-filling waste of time?
As with many BBC-related polls/surveys, the questions seem designed more to derive a desired answer and, one suspects, if/when they do not will be ‘adjusted’/moderated/lost/declared secret if they do not serve the agenda.
I know it matters not a jot as it will get filed and forgot if not ‘on message’, but it made me feel better. Worth a purge this sunny Thursday:)
I might just send it to my Prospective Parliamentary Candidates.
Lady of the Lake:
You are so right.
The irony that has escaped the BBC is that they are one of the largest power users in the country – and hence a polluter (without counting the airwaves).
Peter: I just answered every question with scrap the Tv tax.
Biden is a hoot. And people ask if Palin is ready to be President? If Obama wins, god help the world if something happens to him!!!
Hugh | 11.09.08 – 1:01 pm | #
“stand up Chuck – let em see ya”
Looks like the Democrats may have their very own Dan Quaylalike.
An Australian politician has lost his job after three days following reports of, erm, his antics.
Using your skill and judgement can you tell his political party from this BBC report?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7609621.stm
Using your skill and judgement can you tell his political party from this BBC report?
Answer here:
http://tinyurl.com/5pgs9e
The BBC were very low key on this report yesterday
The US Department of Defence has cancelled a controversial $35bn (£20bn) competition for a fleet of new air refuelling tankers.In February the contract had been awarded to Northrop Grumman and its European partner EADS. many in Washington objected to the fact Northrop’s plane design was based on a jet designed by Airbus – Boeing’s EADS-owned European rival.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7608930.stm
Could it be because of this aspect, not mentioned in the BBC report?
Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, has questioned the decision to give the initial contract to Airbus and analysts believe that a President Obama would ensure that Boeing won the tanker deal.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article4728058.ece
Just picked up on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7610137.stm
the BBC has clearly got a bee in it’s bonnet over the lack of a highlights package for Englands World Cup qualifying games.
Both the BBC and ITV were bidding to purchase highlights from Setanta, but neither came anywhere near the £1 million asking price, it is believed that the BBC offer was circa £200k.
Yesterday we were treated to the spectacle of Victoria Derbyshire (5live) attempting(unsuccesfully) to haul a couple of Setanta bigwigs over the coals. Her contention was that Setanta should just take what was being offered from the BBC as it was “better than nothing”. And it was they (Setanta) who would be depriving fans of the chane to see highlights of the game.
Now today the BBC appear to want to carry on their greivance, only this time they have enlisted the help of Jonah. I say good on Setanta, the broadcasting rights are their property and it is up to them how much they charge for the rights to broadcast highlights.
Will,
The contract should never have gone to EADS.
Having said that, EADS still had a very important part to play in any contract negotiations simply because they would have kept Boeing and co honest in their pricing.
And yes, you are damn right this contract should have been used to protect local jobs…just as Air Bus is used by the EU to protect their local jobs.
Mailman
Two things have triggered off this particular splenetic outburst: a poll conducted by the BBC World Service and an article by Jonathan Freedland in The Guardian. There has been a certain amount of anger about both of these, in particular on Conservative Home, America in the World (Tim Montgomerie’s second string) and, over the Pond, on American Thinker, Chicagoboyz and sundry others, too numerous to mention.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/09/who-should-decide-part-1.html
Right now on Al Beeb’s news homepage:
VIDEO AND AUDIO NEWS
“Stupid pointless war”
US soldiers on Iraq
I wonder how long they had to search for a US soldier to say something like that. I bet they got a little help from either Code Pink or the Daily Kos.
Unbelievable!
BBC News 24 just ran some video found in Sweden of McCain being released from jail in Vietnan.
“Oh I’m sure the Republicans will love this” spouts BBC wanker.
“Yer, they’re playing his war record big in the USA” (or words to that effect)
The impression I got from the BBC was they were wanting the video to have shown McCain in a bad light. Instead, it appeared to show him limping (from his torture of course)
Yes. I keep wanting to know where the ‘unsubscribe’ button is on the BBC’s website.
In its report on 9/11 anniversary, the BBC presents the events of that day passively and anonymously:
“..four hijacked planes hit the Twin Towers, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvanian field.”
Such a formulation of words avoids a description of what was an actively engineered mass murder, when, it should be said:
“ISLAMIC JIHADISTS deliberately flew
four hijacked planes: two planes were flown into the Twin Towers, one plane was flown into the Pentagon, and one plane crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers resisted the jihadist mass murderers.
These Islamic jihadists killed nearly 3,000 people.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7609636.stm
McCain now favourite to win on intrade.
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/
Approx 51/48 at time of writing.
The BBC is just dramatically misrepresenting Palin’s beliefs, in accordance with their Leftoid groupthink.
There is a vast difference between “6-Day Creationism” and “I believe we have a Creator.”
The former denies all science. The latter thinks that there was at least some Divine Origin to the Universe, but not necessarily much more than that. Pretending this position doesn’t exist is typical of anti-religionists. Un-ironically, this kind of misrepresentation is also a tactic used by trolls here to dismiss our arguments.
What’s going on underneath all this is that Justin and the BBC are essentially stating that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are wrong, and there is no such thing as God.
To counter the BBC’s lies – make no mistake, Justin Webb and his cohorts either truly don’t understand the difference, in which case the BBC is taking the position that atheism is correct, or they are lying deliberately – here are some facts:
Sarah Palin – Creationsim, God and Country – Part2
As for her personal views on evolution, Palin has said, “I believe we have a creator.” But she has not made clear whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.
The one thing to note is that a fact is a fact what Sarah Palin believes. One primary distinction between the theory of evolution and the concept of creationism or Intelligent Design is the former is science and the latter is a belief!
…..
When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”
The Lang Report concurs but is firm on the need to make the distinction that all information is not created equal as there is a difference between science, science fiction, folk lore and religious beliefs, etc.
“It’s OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion.”
In other words, I have no problem in reading the “Wizard of Oz” as long as it is made clear that there is no such thing as flying monkeys!
In a subsequent interview with the Daily News, Palin said discussion of alternative views on the origins of life should be allowed in Alaska classrooms. “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum,” she said.
‘Creation science’ enters the race
Last December, in a widely publicized local case, a federal judge in Pennsylvania threw out a city school board’s requirement that “intelligent design” be mentioned briefly in science classes. Intelligent design proposes that biological life is so complex that some kind of intelligence must have shaped it.
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.
“I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.
Palin has occasionally discussed her lifelong Christian faith during the governor’s race but said teaching creationism is nothing she has campaigned about or even given much thought to.”
As an atheist who appreciates science, I don’t like the idea of teaching Creationism or Intelligent Design or anything else. However, there are two things which Justin Webb has officially denied with his question:
1. If he says that any kind of belief that God had a hand in creating the world is against science, he is stating outright that atheism is the correct worldview. He is officially denying all of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Kind of not part of his remit.
2. He is denying the difference between believing in a Deity who was the Divine Spark or whatever behind the creation of the universe, and the “6-Days” belief system, which does deny proven scientific facts about the age of the earth, the half-life of radioactive isotopes, and plenty of other things before we even get to Evolution.
He and his ilk also happily create the false impression that Palin would start teaching Creationism as correct and science as wrong. This is clearly a lie, but that never stopped the BBC before in pursuit of their enemies.
If Justin and the BBC want to make a case against Palin for this, they had better be prepared to admit what they are saying is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are false beliefs. That won’t offend me personally, as I’m not a believer. But it will be a problem. As many have pointed out, they sure don’t mention the Islamic belief about Creation. If somebody pointed it out to them, do you think that would shut them up?
Nice to see the BBC’s famously impartial World Service spreading peace and love across the globe:
Russian Muslim Leader Declares Anti-US Jihad
An(sic) August 29, 2008 BBC Russian service report carries an additional quote: “We [Muslims] should help Russia in its jihad against the USA. Muslims have experienced their aggression more than anybody else. And now in alliance with Moscow we have a chance to pay them back for all of the suffering that the Americans have inflicted on the Islamic world. We call upon Muslims and Russian Orthodox to join in a united Islamic-Orthodox jihad against the Empire of Satan.”
Just when is the U.S. govt. going to wake up and set up a department to monitor the World Service’s anti-U.S. output?
‘Working’ for the BBC licencepayers, or ‘Nice work if you can get it’.
What qualifications does someone need to produce chat like this from sunny California, under the guise of election reporting?:
“California dreaming”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/talkingamerica/2008/09/venice_beach_couldnt_be_more.html
I see the BBC are STILL wanking on about the McCain prisoner footage. The BBC clearly believe that the Swedish journalist has released the film deliberately to help McCain.
They just interviewed the journalist, who denied it saying it was released as part of a DVD collection for his book.
The two dickhead beeboids (like the dickheads earlier on in the day) don’t belive it.
“Have yo ubee in touch with the McCain campaign?” sneer the beeboids. “No” replied the journalist.
No doubt the gay left mafia at the BBC are upset that a man from a very liberal country like Swedem might have dared to do something that might work against Obama.
A general point. It is much more effective than one might think to write to one’s MP quoting specific examples of BBC bias and distortion.
There is an old saying
“if one person writes it 100 people think it”
Without naming names at this juncture i am pretty certain my MP- a rising man in his party- is sympathetic to those who regard the BBC as out of control. With an election in mind it is going to be difficult to tackle the BBC before it. It has the capacity to defend itself very well. Afterwards it might be very different and work put in now could pay dividends.
This is a course of action the BBC definitely fears. It can ignore blogs like this but Parliament is a different matter.
So this might be a useful way of influencing the future.
dave s: I think there is a mood within the Tory party to deal with the BBC once and fo rall. Not so much now perhaps, but as we get towards the next election, the BBC won’t be able to resist spining for Nu Liebour and the fat one eyed one.
Then is the time to strike.
On today of all days a topic on the BBC HYS page is ‘Should the US review its war on terror?’ Quite insensitive in my opinion. Earlier the ‘Recommends’ would have gone down well – but bet they are not so pleased now.
BBC headline;
“No victory in Iraq, says Petraeus”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm
So when you play the video this is what happened;
BBC: Will you ever use the word victory.
Petraeus: I don’t know that I will. etc.
The rest of the scene Petraeus says that you should let the facts spek for themself and stick to the truth.
Another totaly dishonnest report of the BBC.
“This latest YouGov poll for Channel 4 will really give Labour MPs the cold sweats…
It was conducted across 60 constituencies which currently have Labour majorities of 6 to 14 percent. Why? Because they’re the seats that the Tories will need to win to be Britain’s largest party after the next election, and they’ll need an overall swing of 7 percent to achieve that.
According to YouGov, though, there’s currently a 12 percent swing in favour of the Tories. That would actually give Cameron & Co. a 150 majority in the Commons. And leave Jack Straw among the many Labour casualties.”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2077866/yougov-the-tories-on-course-for-150-majority.thtml
Is this really good news not reported by the BBC?
I’m not so sure.
“Britain’s astounding retreat from reason is now legitimising anarchy. A jury has solemnly decided that it is ok to break the law and cause more than £35,000 criminal damage to a coal-fired power station because of the threat of man-made global warming.”
“Apparently they reached this decision having sat through a propaganda barrage by militant mmgw fanatics, including the pioneer evangelist James Hansen and the activist (and Tory party green guru) Zac Goldsmith”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2076951/greenwashing-a-jury.thtml
If the BBC or the media were not so tied up with the AGW myth, they could have a field day with Cameron, seeing as his “green advisor” now condones criminal damage – does the Boy King also condone the actions of these eco-facists? Time to send an email to the Leader of the Opposition to find out.