Justin Webb has weighed in on the issue of all those “angry” Republican voters who just won’t do the decent thing and worship The One. As Justin puts it “the fact remains that some Republicans despise Obama in a way few Democrats despise McCain.” Really? And on what basis is this a fact? Justin then spews out the Dem talking point that opponents of Obama have “extreme views.” It’s amazing to see such one-sided reporting from the North American editor of the BBC.

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  1. Verity says:

    “the fact remains that some Republicans despise Obama in a way few Democrats despise McCain.”



  2. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Replace “McCain” with “Bush”. That’s what this is really about. You know, McCain is really four more years of Bush, etc. If ol’ Justin doesn’t get that, he’s not doing his job properly. And this is the North American editor for the BBC? The one whose opinion license fee payers are supposed to respect for explanations of the US and the election?

    He either really doesn’t get it, in which case he shouldn’t be the BBC’s go-to guy, or he’s actually being deceitful with this canard. I honestly can’t tell anymore.

    I seem to have been barred from signing in the comments at the BBC website. I’ve tried to create new IDs twice now, and I’m still blocked. No error message – it just resets as if I haven’t done it.

    Otherwise, I’d remind Webb that he’s lying about who the Left really hates, and why they’re against McCain.


  3. Ed says:

    It is rather disingenuous not to note that the hatred of the left has been diverted into the path of Sarah Palin.

    Webb’s documentation of Republican hatred extends no further than the use of the term “baby killer” to describe Obama. This is pretty disingenuous too- relayed to Europeans, for example, who like to sweep the issue of abortion under the carpet.

    All in all shoddy, shabby, Webbian stuff.


  4. Ed says:

    Seems to me this must be Justin-weekend, looking back at recent posts. 🙂


  5. Jason says:

    Justin just hasn’t got the slightest idea of what goes on here in America. It’s so obvious that he mixes and talks with a very small circle of people.

    The idea that the left’s hatred of McCain isn’t as intense as the right’s hatred of Obama is just poppycock – the guy is so blind.

    But how can this be so? It’s clear to everyone that Webb is a regular visitor to the likes of the Huffington Post and Daily Kos websites, on which you can find hundreds of daily examples of the kind of venomous, caustic hatred of McCain and Palin which in my opinion, far outshines the hatred of Obama heard at McCain rallies.

    If Webb’s eyes would open any wider than the smug slits they are, he would see McCain and Palin called warmongering fascists, Nazis, dictators, “part of the military-industrial complex” and so on. He would note that McCain is an “old geriatric fuck” who is “probably riddled with cancer,” is “psychotic,” is “no war hero because he got himself caught,” and “hopefully the old bastard will die soon anyway.”

    Palin is of course a witch, a bimbo, an extreme right wing Christian fundamentalist. They hate her hair, they hate her accent, they hate her clothing, they hate her turn of phrase, they hate every last cell in her body and then some.

    The AP recently released a set of photos of Palin at a speech, taken from behind her, low down, just the bottom half of her legs with high heels on. Between her legs in one of the shots was a young Republican looking doe eyed at her. The explicit intent of the photos was to make her look like a cheap tart and suggest that her only support comes from horny guys.

    What Webb needs to understand is that there is a fundamental difference between a few unsolicited and unavoidable remarks called out by one or two random, low intelligence idiots at a McCain rally – and the kind of despicable hatred and venom hurled at McCain from sources as official as the AP and in the form of comments on America’s biggest liberal blogs, all of which are approved by the moderators and left in place.

    When has the BBC EVER reported on the vile and psychotic hatred of the left? There was a video circulating a while back of a Code Pink rally in Berkeley where the so-called “peace activists” attacked a group of young college Republicans. They surrounded this one kid and I swear, they were screaming hysterically, “HIT HIM! HIT HIM!”

    I’ll tell you who I hate, I hate Justin Webb and everything he stands for. I wouldn’t piss on him if he were on fire. How’s that for hatred?


  6. Millie Tant says:

    Goodness! What has happened? The leg -end has started to do joined-up writing! Yes, folks, that is the second blog now where he has written in coherent sentences. Wonders never cease.

    He is a fine one to talk about hatred, isn’t he, with his hysterical screaming about the lovely Sarah Palin?

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Mummy, Mummy, help! There is this big bad WOMAN who could even become President one day. She is more popular than the Omessiah! It’s unbearable. UNBEARABLE. I just can’t bear it, Mummy. I CAN’T! The sound of her voice! It is driving me out of my MIND! I hate her! Hate her! Stop the sound. Stop it for me, mummy!

    Your ever loving son,


  7. Millie Tant says:

    Something strange going on with the site. First it said couldn’t find the webpage. Then up pops my post twice, though I didn’t submit it twice! Sorry.


  8. someone says:

    could this spell the end for Obama’s bid to become the next POTUS?

    Doubt we’ll ever hear it being reported on the BBC – that’s for sure.


  9. Pete says:

    Webb is simply an example of the low standards you get from an organisation when you are forced to finance it whether you want to or not. It’s better that Webb is employed writing his drivel for the BBC than working in another, more important nationalised industry. Who’d want such a lazy, slapdash person as their doctor or the teacher of their children?


  10. John Bosworth says:

    I agree with all the posts so far on this site. Doesn’t Justin (old chap) Webb know what happens when you say the words Bush, Cheney, Palin, Iraq, Abortion, etc etc in front of Democrats. They become quite unhinged. The only reason they don’t hate McCain is that they know he’ll not put up the bare-knuckle fight needed to defeat Obama and the corrupt Chicago politicians who run him.

    Charles Krauthammer is perfectly right in pointing out McCain’s fatal flaw when he writes this week about McCain’s “overflowing sense of personal rectitude.”

    Meanwhile, doesn’t our trusty reporter Justin Webb mix with anyone besides pals from MSNBC and the Huffington Post? “Journalistic credibility” and “Justin Webb” should not be uttered in the same sentence.


  11. Peter says:

    Whereas Obama supporters merely promote “Hope and Change” with peaceful fraternal firebombing.
    Justin Webb is in dereliction of his duty not reporting both sides.


  12. whitewineliberal says:

    BBC now in the T34 for McCain shocker –

    And they’ve gone all patriotic, reporting the Wooton Basset story on tonight’s news at great length.

    All this on the back of Stephen Fry’s paneygric to the US – and to Mitt Romney no less.

    Has the liberal conspiracy taken a night off?

    PS – Peston reckons the lloyds HBOS takeover isn’t off, as reported earlier on Sky’s website. I notice now Sky have changed their story to follow the peston line. He’s very good isn’t he? I can’t remember the last time a journo made and to an extent was the news. Good or bad thing? I don’t know. But it’s very exciting to watch. Well done Auntie Beeb.


  13. archduke says:

    ” in a way few Democrats despise McCain”

    you *have* to be kidding me…
    has this guy been living under a frigging rock for the past few months?

    what planet is in on?


  14. archduke says:

    “All this on the back of Stephen Fry’s paneygric to the US – and to Mitt Romney no less. ”

    and it wasnt Mitt Romney at a rally – it a Mitt Romney in a supporters New England HOUSE, fielding questions.

    Fry admired it. That whole process of democracy over there – that we can only dream of.


  15. GCooper says:

    WWL writes: “I can’t remember the last time a journo made and to an extent was the news. ”

    Thus revealing the depth of your ignorance about markets. That is precisely the problem with the hapless old pantomime dame – and it’s why official complaints have been lodged against him for causing price fluctuations through his careless reporting.


  16. John Bosworth says:

    Perhaps Justin Webb and others who believe that Democrats don’t hate should go to and scroll down as much as you can bear. Warning! Some of the stuff is simply disgusting.


  17. disillusioned_german says:

    I can only speak for myself but I simply detest socialists and socialism. That’s why I keep saying “Nobama”…


  18. disillusioned_german says:

    Something I wanted to add: I listen to AFN when I’m driving in my car because I can’t stand listening to German radio (you can take a guess why).

    I keep wondering why their news broadcasts are from the Associated Press. Pretty hard to believe considerung the fact how left leaning (and potentially anti-military) AP is.


  19. Martin says:

    Whitewineliberal: Are you such an idiot? Peston has the ear of Downing Street even an idiot like you must know that?


  20. Anonymous says:

    “I notice now Sky have changed their story to follow the peston line. ”

    Is it any wonder it is Peston who is feeding the frenzy.

    “Sir Richard wrote: ‘John Kingman, the civil service powerbroker in the Treasury charged with running the show, actually told our team that in any decision made, the Government would have to take account of the view of Robert Peston, the BBC’s business editor.

    ‘Now Robert is a very likeable guy and a good journalist but we thought it was odd that he often had information about our proposal before we were told.’”


  21. Jon says:

    Anonymous | 13.10.08 – 12:26 am |

    Sorry – that was me


  22. BROWNED_OFF says:

    Someone is leaking very sensitive information to Robert Peston and spreading damaging rumors…

    The leaks are clearly from government sources – and there must be a reason for it.

    Is the government attempting to put pressure on British banks by collapsing their share prices so that it can impose harsher terms on them?

    Is the government trying to impose its political will on the banks to the detriment of, and with complete disregard for, their shareholders (and our pension funds!!!)?

    Is the government putting its own narrow political agenda ahead of the interests of the country?

    Plausible? Under a desperate NuLabour? Absolutely!!!

    We could potentially be seeing the financial/political crime of the century going on under our very noses!

    The leaks need to be investigated.


  23. archduke says:

    a blog to bookmark

    they are doing some serious digging around on obama’s background.

    one thing that is floating around is that obama was actually born in kenya – which makes him ineligible to even run for president.


  24. archduke says:

    John Bosworth | 12.10.08 – 11:07 pm

    yeah – they have it in for Michelle.

    she’s an ethnic minority – and a die hard conservative.

    by god does that piss them off.


  25. archduke says:

    and another october surprise.

    hannity is going to reveal something about obama

    no details yet.


  26. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Anonymous | 13.10.08 – 12:26 am |

    “Sir Richard wrote: ‘John Kingman, the civil service powerbroker in the Treasury charged with running the show, actually told our team that in any decision made, the Government would have to take account of the view of Robert Peston, the BBC’s business editor.

    ‘Now Robert is a very likeable guy and a good journalist but we thought it was odd that he often had information about our proposal before we were told.’”

    Called it.


  27. Jason says:

    Some shocking evidence of the rabid left wing savages here in America. Watch them attack Michelle Malkin, who looks about 4’8″ at the most.

    Watch it all the way through, the savagery kicks in a couple of minutes after the start. These lefties remind me of medieval peasants, they really are like brainless savages.

    Here’s some footage of a McCain march through the Upper West Side of Manhattan…see the “tolerance” and “understanding” and “peace” of liberals:


  28. Jason says:

    Nothing on Hannity tonight. He just repeated a boring interview he did with McCain and Palin a couple of weeks ago. If he was planning on dropping any bombshells tonight then something obviously stopped him. I’ve heard that maybe he’s going to do it tomorrow night instead.

    There is literally tons of stuff out there which should disqualify Obama from getting anywhere near the White House and the MSM is not picking up on any of it, not even Fox to be honest. One of the worst I’ve heard recently is this one:

    He’s the cousin of Odinga in Kenya – the man who incited his followers to commit genocide and burn women and children alive in churches. Obama campaigned for him and used US tax dollars to do it.

    When the MSM doesn’t pick up on this kind of stuff you know they’re thoroughly in the tank for Obama.

    This is just one of many breathtaking scandals surrounding Obama and his past. He is Kenyan, not American. He was a member of a Chicago socialist party in the 90’s. He was recently caught on tape promising ACORN that should he be elected, he will let them shape his agenda for America. It’s incredible – much of America is in a drugged stupor, like they really have consumed some kind of Kool-Aid. If Hannity does his part to get this stuff out he’ll be a hero – America needs a voice like his to wake them up from the stupor. McCain just doesn’t seem up to the task of kicking this little socialist shit to the curb.

    Although he says that he’s going to “whip Osama’s you-know-what” in the next debate – a comment which is already has the foaming left screaming “racist!” (I kid you not!)


  29. DB says:

    Just after 6.30am this morning Jim Naughtie began a segment on the US election with the words “In America, voter registration closes today…” Bloody hell, I thought, they’re going to do something on ACRORN fraud at last but no, Naughtie continued along the lines of “following a difficult weekend for the Republicans after an Alaskan inquiry blah blah blah…” Cue two-way with Webb about Palin, no further mention of voter registration at all, let alone ACORN. The narrative will not be deflected. (Also, Naughtie was wrong about voter registration closing today • that’s only in some states.)


  30. Bryan says:

    Jason | 13.10.08 – 6:22 am,

    That attack on Malkin is disgusting. But I note that it was almost exclusively that idiot Alex Jones who was doing the attacking. His “kill Michelle Malkin” was obviously meant to be taken up by the crowd as a chant but nobody joined in. Still, I was concerned about a couple of things. There were quite a few people with Michelle. But nobody confronted Jones apart from one Asian looking guy who seemed to try, briefly.

    And why did nobody on Jones’ side try to intervene either? Where were the men on both sides and where were the cops? Is America so concerned about free speech that people will let a tiny woman be abused like that by a big guy without doing anything to try and stop it?

    (Also, Naughtie was wrong about voter registration closing today – that’s only in some states.)
    DB | 13.10.08 – 8:23 am

    Why would he know anything about America. He works for the BBC.


  31. DB says:

    Justin Webb’s narrative is that the Republicans are stupid and angry, whereas Obama supporters are the sophisticated elite. Here’s a photo from a recent anti-Palin rally; if those T-shirts said “Obama” rather than “Palin” they would be seen as evidence of Republican backwardness by Webb and his colleagues. Obama supporters live by a different set of media rules which give them immunity from criticism.


  32. Bryan says:

    Jason | 13.10.08 – 6:22 am,

    I ment to add that the YouTube clip is excellent, especially the text commentary. I generally use quotes when writing about the “liberal” left because there is nothing liberal about them.

    Thanks to whoever it was here who posted a link the other day to Camille Paglia’s article on feminism and Sarah Palin. She’s one of very few women on the feminist left who has come to Palin’s defence. The most startling thing about it is that she regards Palin as a feminist. I don’t agree with a lot of what she says but it’s a good read and I especially appreciated this:

    The witch-trial hysteria of the past two incendiary weeks unfortunately reveals a disturbing trend in the Democratic Party, which has worsened over the past decade. Democrats are quick to attack the religiosity of Republicans, but Democratic ideology itself seems to have become a secular substitute religion. Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant? Conservatives are demonized, with the universe polarized into a Manichaean battle of us versus them, good versus evil. Democrats are clinging to pat group opinions as if they were inflexible moral absolutes. The party is in peril if it cannot observe and listen and adapt to changing social circumstances.

    And this, which that video demonstrated so effectively:

    Like Los Angeles and San Francisco, Manhattan and Washington occupy their own mental zones — nice to visit but not a place to stay if you value independent thought these days.

    And this:

    Over the Labor Day weekend, with most of the big enchiladas of the major media on vacation, the vacuum was filled with a hallucinatory hurricane in the leftist blogosphere, which unleashed a grotesquely lurid series of allegations, fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about Palin. What a tacky low in American politics — which has already caused a backlash that could damage Obama’s campaign. When liberals come off as childish, raving loonies, the right wing gains.

    Let’s hope “rght wing” America gains enough to win this election.


  33. DB says:

    I must congratulate the producers of this morning’s Start the Week for overcoming the broadcasting difficulties they faced. It can’t have been easy getting a microphone far enough up Barack Obama’s backside for Simon Schama to use.


  34. JohnA says:


    That Schama interview was deliberate bias by Andrew Marr. We know Schama strongly supports Obama – it is almost sexual the way he talks of him ! So the whole thing was merely set up to let Schama idolise Obama and scorn Palin.

    Schama has serious claims to talk about history. But NOT to yammer on about the present – his standing on today’s politics in the US is no better than yours or mine.


  35. Cockney says:

    When it comes to complaints about “savage”, “hysterical”, “disgusting” attacks hypocrisy is spectacularly rife on both sides, but I’d agree that the Beeb seems keen to cover the pitiful extremities of anti-Obama mania on the right and much less keen on covering the sh*t flying the other way (as it has been throughout 8 years of anti-Bush hysterics).


  36. Tom says:

    As was spotted here at the time, Greg Palast’s reports for the BBC have emphasized the risk of Republican tinkering with the electoral lists, while claiming Democrat voter fraud is non-existent or ineffective.

    But this does not accord with these facts:

    In July of 2007, five ACORN activists pleaded guilty to fraud in Washington state for submitting nearly 2,000 phony voter applications.

    ACORN’s Nevada offices were raided by federal law enforcement on Tuesday as part of a vote-fraud investigation. At least ten states have reported suspicions about ACORN’s new voters, who number at least three million since 2004. Among those the group was seeking to register to vote in Nevada were the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

    Unsurprisingly, the team of vote-canvassers assembled by ACORN for the benefit of Senator Obama — a gang one disgruntled felon/inmate/activist described as “lazy crackheads” — has produced some colorful results: 21 separate voter-registration applications were filed for a single voter in Miami; activists have attempted to register untold numbers of dead, underage, imprisoned, imaginary, or otherwise ineligible voters in swing states; in Indiana, signatures were forged on registration cards for names apparently pulled out of the phone book at random, and Indianapolis/Marion County’s registration now stands at 105 percent of the voting-age population

    Did the BBC knowingly broadcast Palast’s distorted and partial piece of reporting?

    Will the BBC now apologize for misleading the public?


  37. mailman says:


    The good thing is the BBC cant sway American voters anyway.

    At least that is a positive, no matter how small that may be!



  38. DB says:

    Tonight’s Panorama: “Obama and the Pitbull: An American Tale“. Matt Frei reporting.


  39. DB says:

    Tom | 13.10.08 – 10:50 am

    In his Newsnight report Greg Palast is seen interviewing Robert F Kennedy Jr (described as “the son of the late Attorney General and a voting rights lawyer”) as if he’s just any old interested party. However, on Palast’s own website he says that Kennedy is his “investigations partner“, a disclosure not made to BBC viewers.

    On that same link Palast makes the richly ironic claim that “journalists should stay the heck away from partisan endorsements”.


  40. mailman says:

    So will Frei REALLY dig in to Obama’s past or will he merely retell all the Dem talking points?

    Unfortunately I believe it will be the latter.

    Anyone want to place bets on this? 🙂



  41. Martin says:

    God no. Frei won’t mention Tony Rezko or anthing dodgy about Obama.

    I’m sure he will simply tell us what a great man he is and where he was born (in a stable of course) and how he once fed thousands by turning water into wine.

    WE are all blessed by St Osama.


  42. David Vance says:

    Shouldn’t that be “The community organiser and the pitbull” – in the interests of fairness or is Saint Obama beyond any form of critique??????


  43. Tom says:

    Palast has form on this voter reg stuff:

    He tried the same scam in 2004 and Newsnight had to post this ‘right to reply’ from the Republicans in Fla.

    Amazing that they should use him again!


  44. DB says:

    “Amazing that they should use him again!”

    Unbelievable, or rather it would be for a serious news programme.


  45. Jason says:

    Bryan | 13.10.08 – 9:02 am | #

    I agree it’s the moron Alex Jones leading the attack on Malkin, but if you watch closely there are others in the mob, seemingly photographers, who are shouting “fascist” over and over.


  46. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Tom | 13.10.08 – 10:50 am |

    Will the BBC now apologize for misleading the public?

    No, their position on the matter was made clear in Palast’s report, which they stand by. While ACORN may have registered thousands upon thousands of phony voters, the BBC believes that there is “no evidence” that this has affected the outcome of an election. Specifically, Palast was referring to New Mexico, but the general position at the BBC is that this extends to the entire history of voter fraud.

    They deny the claims of homeless people in reports from Ohio who voted under phony names, and they deny other instances of the same from 2004. I’ve posted links in recent threads here to two other instances of this. The official BBC position is that there is no evidence that the phony registrations affected an election.

    This is wrong, of course, because why else would they register all those people to vote, if not to cast ballots? It makes no sense otherwise, especially when witnesses have said they’ve done so. The other factor the BBC has is in its favor is that much of the voter fraud is being done by other groups besides ACORN. As long as the attention is fixed on ACORN (which I admit isn’t entirely the BBC’s fault), all other acts of fraud go unnoticed, providing the BBC with their defense.

    Also, Palast and Kennedy have a partisan, “fight against Republican voter intimidation” comic book coming out. They are co-authors of this partisan project, yet Newsnight felt no need to inform the public of their business and political relationship. Don’t want to discredit Kennedy’s “they stole the election” ranting, right?


  47. Bryan says:

    Jason | 13.10.08 – 4:07 pm,

    I didn’t pick that up.