I see the BBC have managed to mess up the apology they made such a big deal out of broadcasting on Radio 2 yesterday. “The Corporation was forced to change the wording of a statement broadcast on Radio 2 after the 78-year-old Fawlty Towers star complained that it did not directly refer to his wife and daughter, who he said had been deeply hurt by the affair. Mr Sachs, who was also angry that he had not been consulted over the apology, telephoned the BBC’s London headquarters after listening to the statement yesterday morning and demanded that it be changed for the repeat scheduled for 9pm. The BBC Trust, the Corporation’s governing body, was made aware of Mr Sachs’s reaction and it was agreed that the later broadcast would go further.” It’s just serial incompetence at every level, isn’t it? Meanwhile I was reading that Russell Brand has revealed that there were more “personal” comments actually cut from what was finally broadcast during the now infamous session. What a class act the BBC has become.
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People are saying Brand has “gone” but he still seems to have a tv programme. Why?
Jeremy,
It is a disgrace that Ross is still there, on a contract.
“Jeremy Hummerstone:
People are saying Brand has “gone” but he still seems to have a tv programme. Why?
Jeremy Hummerstone | 09.11.08 – 1:52 pm | #”
he doesn’t on BBC. Channel 4 are separate from the BBC. He resigned/was sacked from the BBC and that’s all so his TV program is not effected.
Brand says, in the link that:
‘The grey area is that our brilliant young producer, Nic Philps, called Andrew Sachs afterwards and said, “Is it OK? Can we use it? Do you mind?” And he said, “Oh yeah, but can you tone it down a bit?” So we did. We took out the more personal stuff.’
What happened with this ‘brilliant’ producer: is he still at the BBC?
Exactly WHY have the BBC apologized and what for?
Andrew Sachs isn’t black. He isn’t muslim. He isn’t gay. They only had 27,000 complaints.
So what the hell are they really apologizing for?
he doesn’t on BBC. Channel 4 are separate from the BBC.
Separate in terms of giving contracts to employees. However separate in terms as ‘are controlled by exactly the same people,’NEVER.
We must try to understand the following.
The basic concept of the BBC is perfectly fine. Which is an independent corporation free from government and banksters/advertisers control, dedicated to non party political bias, agenda free information, education and entertainment.
THE POINT IS. The BBC is not now and never has been, what it says on the tin.
It is part of the British establishment, working 100% of the time for the British and world establishment. The BBC is wholly this however much it has become expert in pretending to be otherwise.
The BBC would only improve under private control, simply because lefties would no longer trust the evil organization if they knew the BBC was run by for any type of profit.
Such is the level of leftist brainwashing. That requires all things profitable to be fundamentally untrustworthy.
Such is also the level of rightist brainwashing. That requires all things non profitable to be fundamentally untrustworthy.
The TRUTH is both are wrong and right at the same time. Which means in practice we end up with the BBC.
Which is the worst possible combination of both right and left.
Which used to be known as Corporate Capitalism or even better known as FASCISM.
Which is a state of affairs where The large industrial and banking corporations totally control the government and the government corporations it fosters.
America is not run by its elected government, it is run by internationalist groups such as the CFR, and The Trilateral Commission.
Britain is run by The Royal Institute on International Affairs, The Club of Rome and The Builderburg group.
All of the above groups are controlled in turn by lower and higher aristocracy and very rich people who married into it many years ago. For example the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Duponts, and Winsors.
Who controls these people is anyones guess, however my inclination is to believe absolutely nothing whatsoever controls these people. Maybe sometimes there god, or conscience. However quite frankly, I dont believe for one second any of these people have a gram of either in any of them. They are however controlled by the Pope in many important ways, but as we know, he has nothing whatsoever to do with God at all.
Such is the nature of people who rise, one way or another, to the top of almost anything. Compassion and empathy for the common man is not a qualification for corporate success.
Quite the opposite is a perfect qualification in fact, as anyone who has worked for a large corporation will happily tell you.
Most people who do, have never even met the boss. Those that work for the BBC for example, dont even know who their real boss actually is.
If they did find out, they would be shocked, quickly made ‘unemployed,’ and even more rapidly made ‘unemployable.’
We are mind controlled.
We stupidly believe we have a free media that exposes between them the dishonest, often highly criminal and immoral excesses of both the right and the left wing. As if they where in fact separately evolved entities whose policies are designed by different grass roots activists or think tanks. THEY ARE NOT NOW AND NEVER HAVE BEEN.
Left and right are agendas conceived and ultimately controlled by EXACTLY the same people. All the BBC/MSM has to achieve is keeping up this illusion of freedom and free will, and its collective gravy train will stay forever rolling.
I have yet again explained what the BBC is. Without a true understanding of exactly what the BBC actually is, this site and virtually all of its comments are a complete wast of time and effort. They only serve to clearly show the several secret service agents that monitor this place, that the common people still dont have so much as a clue as to what is really going on.
Which is why it is clear to me that this site, in one way or another, is controlled by the same people who control the BBC.
The BBC must be closed down not sold off to some anonymous psychopathic, inbred, aristocratic bankster, hardly anyone has ever heard of. Which seems to be David Vance’s ideal future for the BBC.
( on the above, I stand to be corrected )
My idea future is living on a completely separate planet from the brainwashed majority of this particular shit holes citizenry. It would be nice however if the BBC could be destroyed before it destroys whats left of your free minds. At least when I get to where I am going. I will be able to say, I did at least one positive thing while visiting this otherwise very nice place.
Atlas Shrugged – I have been posting for years that the BBC has to be totally destroyed – a controlled explosion is my preferred manner – and left as a brownfield site for five years to detoxify.
It is a sickening institution, and the manner of financing it, through a tax on owning a TV, is also repulsive. As is the manner of collecting this tax with the aid of sinister advertisements on the Underground and elsewhere.
The salaries paid to its employees are staggering, given that they all have their gums clamped firmly on the taxpayer teat. That talent is thin on the ground, but egos are not, is a side issue, but I think that the BBC as currently constituted (and I don’t want it changed; I want it destroyed) couldn’t pay for itself in the private sector.
“What happened with this ‘brilliant’ producer: is he still at the BBC?
Allan@Oslo | 09.11.08 – 3:09 pm | # ”
no… but then again he never was. He was an independent producer working for an independent production company who had the contract to supply the BBC with the program. Personally I think he should never produce another thing if he could not understand what was broadcast was wrong.
At the risk of sounding like a troll, I think that the BBC have made it clear enough that they were 100% in the wrong.
Yes, the BBC managed to upset Mr Sachs again, however, Mr Sachs who was the victim along with his granddaughter of this saga has received IMHO a fair and balanced apology from the BBC, the continued attacks by his family has corroded my sympathies for Mr Sachs and his family.
“Yes, the BBC managed to upset Mr Sachs again, however, Mr Sachs who was the victim along with his granddaughter of this saga has received IMHO a fair and balanced apology from the BBC, the continued attacks by his family has corroded my sympathies for Mr Sachs and his family.
Fulton | 09.11.08 – 4:45 pm | #”
I don’t think you’re right there. The point Mr Sachs made, and in my opinion the correct one, is that they did not ask him for his opinion on the apology, if they did he would have asked for the apology to be extended to his wife and daughter who are very upset about it. Do you think if a MP, or rich person was insulted this way they would not have checked the apology was acceptable?
the whole thing looks like the BBC are doing something under protest and because they have to rather than meaning it. This shows a lack of grace and understanding of the offense this sorry episode has has given.
Think of it this way…a person is insulted for being a Jew/Muslim/Woman/Black by the BBC. If they complain about the abuse does your sympathy for them diminish?
anon126, Thank you for responding to my question with a balanced response, your explanation convinced me to reconsider my stance, I agree 100% with your comments.
The lack of manners displayed by the BBC towards Mr Sachs and by extension his family is appalling.
Fulton, thanks for your reply. I don’t think the BBC are all bad, obviously I find them biased in certain things, but I don’t think they are ‘evil’, just wrong.
I’m not against comedy, even if it is rude, offensive even, I’m pro freedom of expression and speech (for all not just the media elite, but that’s another argument). It’s just they treated a family badly and lack courtesy to bring the whole affair to an end. I admire Andrew Sachs greatly, but my concerns would be the same if anyone — you or me — had the same abusive calls. It is a simple thing to get the family’s feedback before the broadcast it. If nothing else it would not have allowed the press to pick up on it as a way to keep the story going… this is bad tactics on behalf of the BBC
The whole point is that momopolies are inefficient. They can do what they like, stuff the customers, their income is assured.
Even after all the fuss so far, the BBC’s failure even to get the apology right is just typical.
Will more heads roll – as they should – for this further failure, this further lack of nous ? I doubt it.
But yet more damage has been done to the BBC’s reputation.
How many people in the BBC’s Press Office ? Could they not see this additional trouble coming ?
Andrew Sachs needs to realise to the BBC he and his family are “little people”.
Far to insignificant for the BBC to worry about.
how can you talk about such trivia when atlas has exposed the insidious power elite behind everything? christ all freaking mighty. presumably brand and ross were onto them?
Atlas shrugged 4:04 pm
A very impassioned analysis, but I am reminded of a quote attributed to an incoming US president, I don’t recall which, it doesn’t matter, who asked “Who’s in charge around here?” The answer as he discovered, was “no-one”. A giant Ouija Board in whch thousands are seeking to influence but no-one can control the outcome. I don’t buy the conspiracy -The Rothchild name didnt help litttle Nat – some “Master of the Universe”. My own experience in the corridors of power is one of staggering from one cock up to another desperately trying to hold ones trousers up.
The legacy of Clinton seems to me the most poisonous. No-one knows whats happening – you know only only what the media tell you. Control the media and the world is yours (blogshere exclude). The old Marxist conspiracy theory was that it was all controlled by wealthy conservative press barons and the owners of Capital, wheareas we all know its actually controlled by a vast virtual self-reproducing army of liberal-left young journalists recruited through the same Media Pages of one vile newspaper run by an elite of liberal socialists.
More legs to it than the hedge fund elite running things – they are all down the creditcrunchtoilet.
America now has the best President George Sorros could afford.
Atlas Shrugged – I have been posting for years that the BBC has to be totally destroyed – a controlled explosion is my preferred manner – and left as a brownfield site for five years to detoxify.
Yes I know you have, but thats another issue.
‘Funny’ how you can’t find an Arab terrorist, when one would be mighty handy.
One things for sure, the next serious terrorist attack on this country will not be on the BBC, or any part of it.
Serious by which I mean, leading to the deaths or injuries of a largish number of BBC employees.
For the same reason Hitler never seemed to be able to damage British propaganda during the entire length of the last war. Nor we theirs for the first 4 years.
Propaganda was mainly devoted to motivating populations to murder other populations, and spend fortunes doing so. Therefore the powers that were controlling and financing both sides of the war, made things such as the BBC ‘out of bounds.’
Surly if you were a REAL Muslim terrorist you would have targeted either Parliament, the BBC or some other arm of the establishment. Not blow up a few dozen British citizens on public transport.
Which could, or should I say 100% certainly would, have exactly the same result it did indeed have. Which is to further motivate British armed forces to kill more Muslims, and a large proportion of the British population to go along with the elites imperialist policies.
May I ask you to at lease seriously consider that the follow is the real truth.
In the same way ‘our’ own elites control the western world they also control much of the Muslim worlds elites as well. Or at least communicate with each other in secret and conspire together on general direction and specific projects.
At these very high level secret meetings, would it not be possible for them both to conspire to scam us and their own Muslim populations, out of more then a few bob?
I believe not. So, as the above is certainly possible, the evidence perfectly fits the theory, this type of thing is well documented to have happened many many times in the past, our media/BBC is TOTALLY corrupted and manipulated, we are all far too trusting and stupid most of the time, as we are very busy paying the bills now days, we have real problems detecting or coming to terms with REALLY BIG lies, and Tony Blair seemed like such a nice normal half honest cheerful chappy 12 years ago….They can do and get away with any bloody thing they want to get away with. Whats worse if they where not perfectly sure they could before, they are now.
Verity
10 or so years ago, I contend that you would have said things like, ” the BBC would never dare get caught telling bare faced lies, because no one would trust them anymore.”
Well the point is; the BBC told thousands and thousands of bare faced lies and has now been caught out on virtually all of them. Yet still the BBC is trusted by a majority.
The main reason why this is, is the same reason why German propaganda was so compelling for the German people.
The lie was so horribly large and acutely nasty, most ordinary German people simply would not or more accurately could not psychologically, go there.
I think AndrewSouthLondon has it right – the new ‘masters of the universe’ are the media, which is why the Blogosphere is so troubling to both them and politicians (particularly those on the Left).
Has anyone considered the number of ordinary innocent people who are not celebrities who have been trodden on by the BBC? Folk who have been interviewed and then misrepresented by editing. They’ve been laughed at on shows from “That’s Life” through Noel Edmonds to “Jonathan Ross”. They’ve been made the subject of practical jokes and abused by so-called “educated” men and women who and leave their scruples at the door and trade them in for quick advancement? These ordinary people have none of the clout of Mr Sachs, but instead are left to continue their lives in the silence of their anger?
I could make you a list of these people…but it would be too long.
J. Bosworth
Great Point. Before anyone tells me to lighten up I enjoy a good laugh as much as anyone else.
But much of the BBC’s so-called humour is almost invariably snide and nasty. Ross thought he’d been given a God-given right to advance his career at the expense of anyone else…
Celebrities ought to be able to take it to an extent, but real people – never.
Atlas Shrugged, I enjoy your postings, but do you really think it would challenge the mindset of the fanatic loving BBC if they were blown apart by muslims?
Not a jot.
To the BBC, Islam is the Reverend Jim James. No matter how they serve the Kool Aid, the BBC will always be willing to drink it.
AndrewSouthLondon:
You are right. Just as Ross and Brand pushed each other to see who could be the most ‘daring’ the whole bbc collective like the boys in ‘lord of the flies’ with no grown ups to supervise is driving itself into a greater and greater anti conservative anti common people frenzy.
I am sure that in normal surroundings individualy the vast majority of them would be able to pass as perfectly nice normal people.
They need to know that there will be punishment if they go too far, for the individual and for the organisation. And they need to have the courage to recruit more people with views opposed to the general bbc concensus.
@ Atlas shrugged
Excellent analysis. I don’t think the beeb can be trusted with anything, including sport.
Perhaps natural history programs deserve a reprieve, however, this niche market has it’s competitors too.
I can’t think of one good reason why the BBC should continue. The verdict is – the death penalty and pronto.