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AZ67 | 02.12.08 – 10:57 pm
might as well be honest. i cant claim to speak on behalf of this blog, but i can certainly distill the mood of it – having being on here for several years – and its for the abolition of the bbc.
we dont want “reform”… we want utter abolition.
The BBC should be taken out and it’s throat slit in a very Islamic way. Highly appropriate.
AZ67 -> a bit of background is required to explain my position.
and it is fully explained by “Question Time” in the wake of 9/11
THAT is when i began to have serious doubts about the bbc. and its lead on from there.
i initally thought that the 9/11 question time debacle was an abberation- but in the years following , it turned out not to be.
7/7 is when i finaly went over the edge – bbc reports edited to remove the word “terrorist”… and more.
there are loads more examples – i have gotten to the stage where i see the bbc as an evil influence on the country i love deeply.
and it has to be gotten rid of. i wont shed a single tear when the whole rotten organisation is shut down.
I’ve just been watching Newsnight with Paxo discussing the Green arrest with Michael Howard, Ken Livingstone and Sir Ken MacDonald. The discussion centred on whether Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, authorised or knew about the police move to arrest Damien Green. It occurred to me that she actually just might be telling the truth when she denies all knowledge, and Brown might be in a similar situation.
I put it to you that there may be a civil servant ‘leading beyond authority’ who might have sent an inquiry to a similarly inclined police officer who would have then got things moving. None of their bosses would ever be fully in-the-know but, if the police can be co-opted into arresting an MP over a relative insignificance, then Common Purpose could arrange the arrest of anybody over anything.
Archduke, is it possible?
ha ha !
i’m laughing now..
“leading beyond authority”…
yeah – we all know where THAT comes from..
you have a point allan -never seen it that way…
calming down now ,with my nervous laughter receeding.. you have a VERY serious point Allan..
SPOT ON..i think you’ve hit the motherlode.
this is CP. in action.
jeez .. the more i think about it the more things fit in… why did the speaker just give in ?
why did the sergeant at arms just give in?
why did jacqui smith give in?
why did the PM claim to have no knowledge of it?
so who was directing the police operation?
only one answer – its CP.
wow. that makes sense…you’re onto something Allan.
and bear in mind that damian green was leaking stuff about immigration…
obviously bad info with regards to the EU project… prime target to be shut up.
i note that islamist nutjobs have not been given the same treatment.
What amazes me is that fatty Spliff of the Nazi party along with the left wing rent boy journalists backing Nu Liebour have been hinting that Green was given information that was sensitive to the nations security.
1. If that’s the case where is it?
2. Why wasn’t Green arrested under specific violations of the OSA?
3. Why haven’t we heard more as to what information was leaked? After all this bunch of Nazi’s are usually good at leaking information when they want to smear someone in shit.
AZ67
Most of us resent having to pay for something (the BBC licence) when we are promised it’ll provide a fair, objective and neutral service, and then instead get served up a Pro-Labour left wing agenda day in day out by the BBC. If we wanted a biased news service, we could buy anyone of a range of daily newspapers, of a left or right wing persuasion. We are not forced under threat of imprisonment to pay for any of these newspapers if we do not cosume them. So the BBC licence fee is immediately totally unfair for those of us who want to watch tv, but don’t want a partisan national broadcaster, as we are forced to pay for it, even if we don’t watch the BBC.
BBC to emulate Brown & scupper the pensions of the poor saps in the private sector?
The entire Woolworths’ empire, including its stake in 2Entertain, the BBC joint venture, is likely to be in administration by the end of the week, with its 10,000 pensioners at the back of a queue of creditors hoping to get their money back.
It is understood that the BBC is trying to cut its initial £100 million offer to take full control of 2Entertain, which publishes classics such as Blue Planet and Doctor Who.
The fate of Woolworths’ pensioners is linked to the sale of the 2Entertain stake to the BBC. Under the terms of the BBC’s first offer, it would have paid £50 million into Woolworths’ final salary pension scheme with the banks taking the remainder.
If 2Entertain falls into administration, then the pensioners may have to turn tothe Pension Protection Fund (PPF), the government-created pensions lifeboat to bring the scheme under its protection.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article5276519.ece
The rising disdain in the US for things British isn’t getting any coverage from Frei and his wingnuts.
This story is typical…. http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/12/02/pirates-and-the-politically-co
…and it ain’t hard to find others. Harvest time, then.
Anyone else seen the left wing love in going on in the ‘green room’? It’s like the BBC providing its own home for moonbats and Guardianistas.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7759845.stm
What’s most interesting about the debate they have on overpopulation, which seems to be written by the journalist Joanne Benn (surely not a relative of Tony??) is the prodding of an idea that somehow having children is evil, and that something must be done. At the moment, it’s just articles like this, prodding us into questioning having kids. It’s the first step onto something else that we’re becoming increasingly accustomed to seeing. If this idea makes it past this stage, the next step is asking questions such as “how can we stop people having children” and the inevitable push towards more draconian measures.
The moonbats are in fine hypercritical form, from ditching social justice (i.e. ending child benefit), draconian measures (forced sterilisation and questioning whether democracy is compatible with reducing fecundity in the population with a sly nod to China), mass preaching telling people how to live, and the stopping of medical aid for the elderly etc. It’s amazing just how illiberal the ‘nice’ left are when it comes to protecting the environment.
Jacqui Smith must be fully aware that if she lies about what she knew, then it will be found out given that there is already known to be one leak path from the Government. It is possible that she is confused by not knowing what was going on when she would have expected to have been informed about an impending arrest of an Opposition MP: even in Brown’s UK, that would still be a big thing!
The order to arrest Green came from somebody, but nobody knows from whom. And somebody in the police received that order and implemented it without seeking authorisation from the head of the Met. These two ‘somebodies’ are the movers of this scene – yet nobody at the top knows anything? If this is actually the case, then things are pretty bad indeed.
(A repeated comment from my original post across at ‘Close to EU’ thread at 11: 24 pm):
-BBC ‘NEWSNIGHT’ political position on MUMBAI terror attacks, as portrayed by David Loyn(DL) and Jeremy Paxman(JP) tonight:
1.) avoid all mention that massacre was undertaken by Islamic jihadists (DL, and JP);
2.) emphasise the ‘innocence’ of all Muslims visiting India (DL);
3.) suggest indeterminate historical responsibility for violence in India between Muslims and Hindus, without a detailed exploration of Islamic imperialism, as undertaken by K.S. Lal, and by E.Karsh ‘Islamic Imperialism’ Yale, 2007)(DL);
4.) speak in a low accusatory voice with Indian High Commissioner, and suggest that Indian government is as responsible for Mumbai events as anyone in Pakistan (JP).
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/police-kick-hell-out-of-david-cameron-200812011428/
Oh dear – could happen?
It doesn’t matter whether Jacqui Smith knew or not> The point is she should have known,if she didn’t it is admission that her department is out of control.If she did,she is out of control.
George R | 02.12.08 – 11:52 pm
It really annoys me that the media and the BBC in particular are always looking for someone to blame for murders, atrocities, terrorists etc. As if its someones elses fault. Giving these evil people excuses for their actions only encourages more of the same. A murderer is an evil bastard – full stop, no ers or buts.
We all have axes to grind from time to time but we don’t go out blowing up innocent people. The revulsion should be against the evil bastards who carry out such acts.
Garden Trash | 03.12.08 – 12:00 am
Quite right – its hard to belive that the police inform Boris Johnson and David Cameron but no one in the government.
archduke:
John Bosworth | 02.12.08 – 8:49 pm
in the case of Airey Neave , it was indeed a murder. whether by the INLA egged on by the KGB, or , as Enoch Powell thought – it was the work of the CIA – either way, it was a murder. i simply cannot understand why the BBC avoid that term.
Yes this has always been a very strange case. This was the first if only high profile murder by the INLA a group not previously heard of. The fact that they had access to the house of commons car park to prime the bomb under Airey Neaves car was a highly sophisticated operation. I must admit I have never heard of an international dimension to this murder myself either KGB or CIA but it was emboldened even by the IRA’s standards let alone the INLA a group who indeed turned out to be a rag tag mob of ultra left marxist zealots. I dont think we’ll ever get the truth on this one.
My Oh my.
BBC Trust’s independence questioned over alteration of negative report
The independence of the BBC Trust has been questioned after documents showed the watchdog’s reports are edited and vetted by Corporation executives.
Emails released after a Freedom of Information Act request show that the Trust this year removed parts of a report that BBC managers considered to show the corporation in a “negative” light.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3542928/BBC-Trusts-independence-questioned-over-alteration-of-negative-report.html
Well ther you have it, a cosy little scratch my back cartel.
BBC: Forever verminous filth.
archduke | 02.12.08 – 10:34 pm
for those who arent aware – “Chabad” is an orthodox strand of Judaism, that is involved in missionary work. unlike other strands of the Jewish religion, these guys are fully signed up to converting non-jews to the judaism.
No, I’m sorry, Chabad are do not attempt to convert non-Jews. Nobody does that, really. They are out to get all Jews to be as ultra-orthodox as they are. They go around town and stop any male who looks Jewish to ask them to perform various daily rituals. They go after Jews who don’t do religion, in an attempt to bring them back. If somebody professes interest to them at their various offices, or when they’re out on the street in their “Mitzvah Mobiles”, then sure, they’ll be happy to convert anyone who asks. But their entire goal in life is to get every single Jew in the world doing the daily religious rituals, in order to bring on the Messiah. Some of them still think it’s the late Rebbe Schneerson, but they play that down these days.
there are lots of “chabad” houses throughout the world.
Yes, anywhere in the world where there are Jews, these guys set up shop. The young rabbi who was tortured and killed was apparently the only rabbi in Bombay.
Those complete heartless scumbags at the BBC should read this about the Jewish victims when pondering over what politically corrct name to call the Mumbai TERRORISTS:
From the Telegraph….’The couple’s son, Moshe survived after his nanny, Sandra Samuel escaped with him in her arms 10 hours after the hostage incident started. The child cried “Ima” and “Dada,” or mummy and daddy, as the service began.’
The BBC are scum
fuckin beeboids scumbags, i’d rather have hemroids for a year than spend a day with a Beeboid
for those who arent aware – “Chabad” is an orthodox strand of Judaism, that is involved in missionary work. unlike other strands of the Jewish religion, these guys are fully signed up to converting non-jews to the judaism.
Half the comment disappeared.
for those who arent aware – “Chabad” is an orthodox strand of Judaism, that is involved in missionary work. unlike other strands of the Jewish religion, these guys are fully signed up to converting non-jews to the judaism.
archduke | 02.12.08 – 10:34 pm
David Preiser (USA)beat me to it. European Jews abandoned missionary work to non-Jews at least a thousand years ago. Chabad performs what they call OUTREACH to Jews, never attempts to covert non Jews. At most they might direct an enquirer to the closest religious court.
are you beginning to see the bigger picture yet? I don’t. Please explain it to me. Are you suggesting the dead at Chabad House had it coming because they were missionaries? How did the diners at Cafe Leopold or the travellors at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station have it coming to them?
The only ones who had it coming to them were the terrorists. That is the bigger picture.
Nice to see the BBC moving swiftly on from the Bombay Muslim terrorist spectacular. No unpleasant references to the Islamic nature of the terrorists, the targeting and torture of Jews, or (as the Telegraph reports this morning) accounts of the burkha-clad female muslim helping the murderers. All in the name of social cohesion, don’t you know…
John Bosworth | 02.12.08 – 8:49 pm:
I think you’re right – something will happen soon that will act as a catalyst for a licence fee revolt. It could well be Charles Moore’s stance against the BBC over its decision to re-employ Jonathan Ross in February…
From IndianExpress.com
British Biased Corporation? Terrorists in London, gunmen in Mumbai
The BBC was once recognised as impartial around the world. Not any more.
Jon | 03.12.08 – 12:10 am the media and the BBC in particular are always looking for someone to blame for murders, atrocities, terrorists etc. As if its someones elses fault.
Unfortunately it’s giving the public what it wants. Brown & Co tried to pin the death of Baby P on his killers before Cameron forced Balls to have a further enquiry to nail the real perpetrators – the box tickers of Haringey Council – same folk as killed Climbie, whose guardians & mother shall be ignored when apportioning blame.
I just heard Peter Mandelson on the Today programme saying that Chris Galley had plainly broken the law.
The BBC repeated this highly prejudicial statement on its 9.00 news.
How can Galley’s trial not be prejudiced when a senior government minister has declared him guilty on the BBC?
If any of the rest of us had shown such contempt and put out of reach the possibility of a fair trial, the judge would haul us off to pokey.
Time to lock up Thompson and Mandelson in the same cell.
And yet – Mandelson raises an interesting point. ‘Against the law’?
What law?
I doubt if most people think leaking non-classified info is against the law.
And in this case the Police, ever eager to jump to their NuLab masters’ bidding, have had to scrabble around to find an obscure common law offence that, at a very long stretch, just might cover it.
It appears very doubtful that Mr Galley has broken the law. He appears to have broken his civil service contract and could expect to be dismissed as a consequence. However it is not a criminal offence AFAIK.
The Economist 11:40
Does the left-wing policy of “let’s stop having children” apply to muslims ?
Memo for J.Paxman, re- his interview performance with Indian High Commissioner on BBC ‘Newsnight’ last night (available in UK only on BBC iPlayer), some advice:
“Fitzgerald: Muslims and Hindus”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022949.php
One possible Damien Green scenario :-
One of Mandelson’s lickspittles speaks to a tame plod, saying ” Peter would like something done about Green “.
The plods act quickly to please their NuLab masters.
Brown and Smith can deny all knowledge as Mandelson hasn’t told them.
If it all goes wrong and plod squeals, lickspittle and Mandelson deny all knowledge.
Job done.
Almost the perfect Today item on this morning • an on-message leftie musician shooting his mouth off about the programme’s pet topics:
“Iraq war… War on Terror… McDonalds… Guantanamo Bay … evils of money … American oil companies … Iraq war … Palestinian issue is our generation’s apartheid … people being shot against the wall, tanks rolling into Ramallah … Iraq war …”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7762000/7762192.stm
It only failed being the perfect segment because the words “climate change” weren’t uttered, although “oil companies” is a pretty good substitute.
The musician Matthew Herbert told reporter Nicola Stanbridge that he had sneaked into the Houses of Parliament to make some illegal recordings. Clearly this didn’t didn’t ring any alarm bells to the idiots at Today • why worry about a little thing like a serious lapse in security at Westminster when you’ve got an agenda to ram down people’s throats?
Does the left-wing policy of “let’s stop having children” apply to muslims ?
Quite an interesting question. At current rates, France’s Muslims are set to outnumber France’s non-Muslims in two generations. Europe is going down the tubes demographically, though the BBC, the MSM and the political establishment treat the issue like the third rail. That vacuum will be filled – and is being filled.
On the flipside, most Muslim countries are seeing fertility declines too. I think Iran and Pakistan are down to 2.4 kids per woman. Much higher than Europe’s 1.3, but still not four or five.
Write to your MP and ask them what they’re doing to thwart the Islamisation of Britain! See what they say! Good luck!
Memo for BBC ‘Newsnight’ -after last night’s obfuscating item on MUMBAI:
“Still Unprepared against Terror”
(Robert Spencer)
[Extract]:
“The primary reason for this unpreparedness, of course, is the unwillingness or inability of government, law enforcement, and the mainstream media to confront the ideology of the jihadists and the Islamic doctrines that provide the foundation for that ideology.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023757.php#more
Tom: I don’t think many men would want to be locked up in a prison cell with Mandelson!!!!!!
archduke: ‘Bombay’ is the name used by a couple of Indian interviewees. One of them spoke far better English than any of the newsreaders.
Boris Johnson has written and is presenting a programme on BBC2 about the muslims in an attempt to ‘understand’ them. He is usually very respectful in the programme, apart from when speaking to some fair-skinned Spanish whom he refers to as ‘racist and xenophobic’ for their negative attitudes to the muslim contribution to their culture. And he does not like the negative portrayal of arabs in some old paintings.
I am just looking at his book ‘Have I got Views for you’. I cannot believe it is the same Boris Johnson. In his book he says (p148):
‘What makes modern Islam so politically troublesome is that some muslims can be induced to take offence not just at an insult to Islam, but at any injustice suffered by one of their co-religionists, and it is this deep personal sense of outrage – scarcely explicable to our post-enlightenment souls – that helps the whacko imams to warp … etc…… we should of course crack down on the hate-spouting mullahs. Take away their benefits; kick ’em out…etc”
From his programme you get the impression that the muslim conquests of lands from Jerusalem up to Spain before the Crusades were a sort of ‘peaceful’ war – no dead mentioned – , but the Crusaders on the other hand were full of violent misfits and they were a useful way of getting violent trouble-makers out of Europe -20,000 dead mentioned immediately when they arrive at Jerusalem-.
He also supported Obama in the Telegraph before their election.
Tom: I don’t think many men would want to be locked up in a prison cell with Mandelson!!!!!!
Oh I would. I’m not sure he would, though…
BBC may not think that this is amusing:
‘Jihadwatch’:
“MSNBC anchor amazed that Obama’s election hasn’t ended jihad”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023761.php
It seems from reading posts on this site for some time now that the most counter-productive programme ever transmitted (from the left-leaning, anti-US point of view) was the 9/11 “Question Time”. It is where my questioning of the BBC took a serious turn which has ended in me adopting a new political outlook. Thanks BBC.
Caveman: I watched that programme and had all my suspicions confirmed. Exactly as you said, we heard in generic terms that “Muslim armies swept across the mediterranean” (reminds you of the “audacious” adjective for various recent terrorist acts), whereas when the western Christians try to take BACK Jerusalem (there was no mention about the catalyst for this – which was due to a hardline Arab ruler closing down access to the Holy Sepulchre for Christian pilgrims – we just heard about papal warmongering) we of course get an enumeration of the “inncocent men women and children slaughtered”. And, of course, absolutely NO MENTION of the fact that in the intervening period (9th century) the Arabs had laid waste southern Italy,conquered Sicily and even sacked the old basilica of St Peter’s in Rome! If Christian crusaders had sacked Mecca, do you think Boris would have left that out? In short, the usual rosy picture of enlightened Muslims and barbarous Christians. I can’t bear to watch the 2nd episode. Do you think we’ll get a fair picture of the 600-year Turk jackboot over Greece? Forgeddaboutit!
Watching the Speaker’s statement on Damian Green – he has confirmed that the Police had no warrant and did not inform the Serjeant-at-Arms that she could refuse them access. They removed Green’s confidential files, BlackBerry and mobile phone, and disconnected his phone line.
Wonder how the BBC and the vile Mandelson will spin this one?
Sopel says “no one comes out of this well”.
Am I the only person whose response to that was “what?!”
Mr Martin, who knew in advance about the raid and Mr Green’s arrest, told the Commons he had not been told the police did not have a search warrant.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7762005.stm
Er… shouldn’t he have asked to see it?
Michael Martin should be removed as Speaker simply because he can’t even read a prepared statement. He reads like a child, as if unaware of punctuation or the meaning of some of the words.
caveman 2:11
Interesting point about BJ. You are not suggesting he speaks with “forked tongue” are you ? !
David 3:56
Don’t be too hard on Gorbals Mick. It is a miracle that he can read at all.