General BBC-related comment thread!

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  1. TPO says:

    Bye bye Britain:

    School cancels Christmas nativity in favour of Muslim Eid celebrations

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/3545246/School-cancels-Christmas-nativity-in-favour-of-Muslim-Eid-celebrations.html

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  2. George R says:

    Easton’s subsidised blog (complete with maps) is about ‘anomie’:

    “Map of the Week – Community Life”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/

    Easton does not state that this is a concept of a French sociologist, Durkheim. Instead, Easton avoids questioning whether Durkheim’s concept can be quantified. He looks at what appears to be a rag-bag of evidence of ‘anomie’, but has no coherent critique of possible causes.

    The survey he undertakes does not, for example, explicitly question the role of multiculturalist policies at all. He does mention the possibly negative effects of immigration in part of his summary; but as usual Easton conflates his political case, and hides behind maps.

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  3. The Beebinator says:

    i hope the police get hammered by the politicians and are forced to resign

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  4. Lee Moore says:

    As of half past four this afternoon, ITN, Sky, the Telegraph, the Times and the Guardian are all leading with the latest twist in the Damian Green story – the Speaker’s attempts to wriggle out from under.

    But on the Beeb the lead story is the Queen’s Speech introduced with this real eyepopper of a headline :

    Economy ‘is overriding priority’

    Not only are they horribly biased, but they have no sense of what is news. The hundred and fourteenth repetition of Brownist platitudes about the economy is not the top news story, in comparision with the Speaker of the House of Commons trying to stitch up the Met. At least no other news organisation in the country – apart from the BBC – thinks so.

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  5. Hugh Oxford says:

    Is it just me or is the BBC’s complaints hotline constantly engaged?

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  6. The Beebinator says:

    This one is fucking disgusting and lets out Al Beebs real angenda

    Baby decisions – adding to the world’s woes?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7759845.stm

    beeboids, if u think the planet is over populated, why dont you lead by example and do yourslves in, i promise u will get a carbon free funeral

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  7. John Bosworth says:

    Two questions:

    1. I read Beebinator’s link to Joanna Benn’s “Viewpoint”. (Perhaps she should be sent a copy of Mark Stein’s “America Alone” for a demographic’s lesson) My question: is she related to Tony (Lord Stansgate, Tony Wedgewood-Benn) Benn?

    2. How come I’m getting adverts before news reports on the BBC website? Is this a BBC-US website event only? Is the BBC funded by the licence or by people trying to convince me to diamonds?

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  8. Lee Moore says:

    I think Beebinator is aiming at slightly the wrong target. The article by Joanna Benn is her opinion not (explicitly) the BBC’s and is clearly labelled as such. The bias lies in the whole run of articles under the heading “The Green Room” • in which you will find the occasional expressor of non BBC compliant opinions • such as Peter Lilley and Mick Hulme :

    Joanna Benn is a journalist, writer and consultant specialising in environmental issues

    Peter Lilley is Conservative MP for Hitchin and Harpenden

    Andy Atkins recently took up the post of executive director with Friends of the Earth UK

    Dr Rod Salm is director of The Nature Conservancy’s Tropical Marine Conservation Program in the Asia-Pacific region

    Lord David Puttnam is chairman of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the Draft Climate Change Bill and a judge on Nesta’s Big Green Challenge

    Andrew Mitchell is the founder and director of the Global Canopy Programme

    Russell A. Mittermeier is president of Conservation International and chairman of global conservation group IUCN’s Species Survival Commission’s Primate Specialist Group

    Mike Hulme is a professor in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia (UEA), and was the founding director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research

    Felix Dodds is executive director of Stakeholder Forum for a Sustainable Future, and Michael Strauss is executive director of Earth Media

    But the overwhelming majority express left wing greenist views, which is what you would expect if you have a series of articles called “The Green Room.”

    The BBC bias doesn’t lie in what particular spouters of opinion spout, but in the selection of subjects for them to spout about.

    We do not have a series of articles commissioned by the BBC on, say, “The Immigration Room” or “The Crime Room” or “The Small Business Room.”

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  9. The Beebinator says:

    and its now “science and environment” on al beebs web site whereas it used to be “science and technology”

    wonder why they did that

    and sorry to piss everyone off, but the IPCC is meeting in Poland to discuss the best way of getting back to the stoneage, so be prepared for a lot of bollox from Al Beeb

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  10. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Robert Peston is so intent on explaining every dry detail of Mr. Brown’s new mortgage guarantee scheme and making sure to sell it to the public that he overlooks a serious problem.

    Taxpayers’ mortgage guarantee

    I’ll try to ignore the fact that his hypothetical “Mr. & Mrs. Slightly-Stretched” are not, since they work in the housing industry and are thus connected to the original problem, exactly the most sympathetic protagonists he could have chosen.

    Peston mostly does what he actually does do best (aside from insider trading blabber), which is explain the details of how the scheme is supposed to work. He carefully goes over how Mr. Brown guarantees – with taxpayer money – whatever Mr. & Mrs. S-S can’t pay over two years. However, when he gets to the “Don’t worry” bit, he loses it completely:

    In this notional case, taxpayers would end up being liable for £30,000 (£15,000 for the two-year life of the scheme).

    But, to repeat, the £30,000 would only end up being a genuine cash cost for us as taxpayers in the event that the income of the Slightly-Stretcheds were never to recover or the value of their property were never to rise above the value of the mortgage.

    FFS, Peston, wasn’t there just a housing bubble?! Didn’t most of these people by homes at inflated prices? What are the chances that their homes will eventually return to the inflated price they paid during the bubble?

    But Peston thinks it’s fine, because his bank buddies told him they’re going along with it. And why not? They get the money either way, and screw the taxpayer.

    Robert Peston is so far up Mr. Brown’s backside you will be able to see the top of his head when the PM speaks in the Commons tomorrow.

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  11. Martin says:

    What a complete c**t the leader of the Nazi party made of himself in the Commons today. But I had to watch ITV to find that out.

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  12. Kill the Beeb says:

    When there are sad, shallow lefty tossers like ‘Jez Lawrence, leeds’ in the world, it won’t be too hard for the BBC propaganda machine to create it’s intellectual ethnic cleansing ideal.

    Read it and weep.

    “I have one – against my better judgement for a large part because of the reasons stated. I’m not having another for the same reasons. People are a virus (Agent Smith may have said it in the matrix but I said it first!) and eventually we’ll kill our host. The biggest threat to the environment which sustains us is not CO2, its not GM food, and its not war, not directly. Its the sheer number of us crowding onto the planet’s surface. If we all had 1 or no kids for a couple of generations, we could shrink the population size quite a lot – it would be very hard, economically for us during that period but it would be worth it for future generations. I love my son, and I love my wife. I also love my life and – for the moment – my job. But the world would still be better off without us.
    Jez Lawrence, leeds, uk”

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  13. bodo says:

    Once again we have a story, this time the mortgage repossessions plan, reported by both ITV and BBC. You’d easily think they are reporting on two entirely separate stories such is their difference in emphasis.

    BBC is full of “Gordon says” and announces that the banks have already signed up to this scheme.

    ITV reports that already the plan is floundering in uncertainty, that the banks are furious and that they haven’t signed up to anything. Details of the plan are still very unclear, and any assistance paid by the government will actually be paid by taxpayers, many of whom might be only just managing.

    Whether the BBC had a word with the banks is unclear, if they did they decided not to report any of their comments. Instead they lead on Labour spin, the government could not have wished for a more favorable report.

    If the BBC cared to watch ITV, they might actually find out what’s going on in the world. Instead they just report about how wonderful Gordon is. When the final less flattering details of the scheme emerge, no doubt they will be well buried or even totally ignored by the BBC – as they have done before when government spin is later revealed to be worthless, eg the Woolas ‘immigration clampdown’ that was no such thing.

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  14. Garden Trash says:

    Would it be possible to get a Lottery grant to construct a step pyramid to Gaia then sad people like Jez could sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
    Soylent Green is made out of greens.

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  15. George R says:

    Misleading BBC report on Labour’s mass immigration plans:

    “Integrate or wait, migrants told”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7762626.stm

    This piece deflects from the reality of Labour’s policy on mass immigration:

    1.) there is no specific limit on NUMBERS of immigrants coming to Britain, as ‘Migrationwatch’ points out in this 60 page report:

    ‘Balanced Migration’

    Click to access balancedmigration.pdf

    2.) the number of immigrants coming to live in Britain is STILL increasing, but you have to read to final lines of BBC piece here to be reminded of that:

    “Net immigration to the UK increased to 237,000 in 2007, according to Office for National Statistics figures published last month.

    “That was 46,000 more than in 2006 and came as a result of emigration falling faster than immigration.

    “The figures mean that the population has grown by 1.8 million because of immigration since Labour came to power in 1997.”

    3.) It is clear that many immigrants to the UK do not ‘integrate’:

    “New group for Muslim police staff”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7761366.stm

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  16. George R says:

    The BBC does not explore the hand of Harman in the Queen’s Speech:

    INEQUALITY = LABOUR’S EQUALITY

    ‘Telegraph’:

    “Positive action for job recruitment to be enshrined in law”

    [Extract]:

    “Companies will be allowed to favour female or black job candidates ahead of white men without the threat of legal action, under a new equality law.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/3546305/Positive-action-for-job-recruitment-to-be-enshrined-in-law.html

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  17. Hugh Oxford says:

    “New group for Muslim police staff”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotl…est/ 7761366.stm

    I never understood how Muslims, who believe that no law can exist above Islamic law, and that non-Muslims should be treated differently to Muslims, are allowed offices of the state, including the police.

    I certainly don’t understand it when members of legitimate political parties who seek their ends through democratic means are actively prohibited.

    But then again, not a great deal makes sense under New Labour.

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  18. Martin says:

    bodo: Yep! The banks have been bounced in to this to try to get the leftist media (BBC & C4 news in particular) to talk about some plan that we’ve yet to see the detail. As we know with all the Nazi party leaders spin, the devil is in the detail.

    However, it allowed the BBC and C4 news to not point out the utter fucking kicking the fat one eyed sticky out eared soap dodging Nazi c**t got over the Damien Green shambles in the Commons.

    Can tihs scum ridden Government get any lower? And can the BBC get it’s collective dicks any further up fatty one eye’s arse ring?

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  19. Va$ili says:

    “Will this nightmare never end?”

    May god punish this wicked nation.

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  20. jimbob says:

    ten o’clock news
    headline ?
    saviour gordon’s mortgage plan.

    maybe fifteen minutes in we may get 2 minutes on how gorballs mick /jill pay/ a district judge in westminster/met police/smith/brown trampled over 370 years of democracy.

    move on. nothing to see….

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  21. Va$ili says:

    “Baby decisions – adding to the world’s woes? ”

    For evil liberal nihilists the problem with life is not death by life. Death, they believe, is something that can be deferred, life is the only problem that has a permanent solution.

    We Christians know that children, the future, is given to the righteous by god.

    Hell is God’s mercy to the nihilists, for even hell is better than the perfect nothingness they wish for in their hearts.

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  22. caveman says:

    Grant: I am not sure if Boris Johnson speaks with forked tongue or if he had a conversion after becoming mayor because he was overwhelmed by the establishment. Maybe his original convictions weren’t strong enough to withstand the pressure to join them.
    Maybe his original opinions were quite flexible and rooted in ambition rather than conviction.

    Robert: from your comments, the BJ programme was even more biased than I thought.

    Possibly the same thing happened to Michael Portillo who seems to be trying to distance himself from his glory days as Defence Secretary with Mrs Thatcher. On the programme after Q Time the other week he said it had dented his confidence considerably when he was under attack from the press; presumably he was referring to the press attention on his student days.

    It was very gratifying to watch the BBC daytime news as they had to show the full kicking the government got, as it was live. Both sides of the house joined in. The Speaker was flusterred. When one Labour MP tried to defend the government he was shouted down, but everyone else was listened to. Let’s hope this story grows.

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  23. Martin says:

    I wonder if Newsnight will go big on the Nazi party and their arse licking of th ePolice? Or will Newsnight concentrate on Hitlers next great plan to save the nation?

    Remember all the time the c**ts at Newsnight spent sticking the knife into Caroline Spelman? Yet the shambles over Damien Green, rent boy Mandelson’s lies over Green and the pathetic defence by fatty Spliff of the SS and her plods is just bollocks

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  24. George R says:

    BBC ‘Question Time’ from Northern Ireland tomorrow:

    What no David Vance on the panel?:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/7759084.stm

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  25. jimbob says:

    newsnight – crick was a joke again.

    the guy is an insult to our intelligence.

    spouting mandys bullshit, saying “conservatives enjoying it too much”

    “investigating whther a crime has been committed”

    utter bollocks.

    where are the bernsteins and woodwards – not at the British Bullshit Churnalists

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  26. Grant says:

    Kill the Beeb 6:56

    I agree with Jez ( love that name ) Lawrence. The world would be better off without him.

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  27. Grant says:

    George R 10:37

    No David Vance but :-

    Lefties 4 ( including Dimblebore )

    “Right-wing” 2

    One thing you can say about Question Time , it is consistent !

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  28. Steve Macqueen says:

    was interesting to see the BBC waxing lyrical about the mortgage help out scheme –(whatever happened to mortgage insurance schemes?) It was noticable that the Government hasn’t costed this scheme –perhaps Labour hopes we as a nation will inherit vast amounts of money from a rich aunt .. It seems we live in a fantasy sweety shop world where the Government can borrow indefinitely and we will pay whenever we feel like it.Labour hopes we will vote for “jam today jam tomorrow”.

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  29. Atlas shrugged says:

    Everyone seems to be a conspiracy theorist today.

    I thought conspiracy theorists were all supposed to be mad.

    At this rate some of you may even work out whats actually happening right before your very eyes, hopefully without my help.

    Remember that at this moment we are many and they are in reality, VERY few indeed.

    Our problem is that liberty has been divided between left and right, and the poor helpless innocent maiden is now getting repeatedly shafted right up the middle.

    The people must unite in the realization that they have been conned by all establishment ideologies and even more so by their ENTIRE media and political parties, FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. Or they will forever be holding their peace.

    However getting people to totally throw out a lifetime of MSM and educational establishment indoctrination is almost impossible. As I have most surly found out over the last 15 years.

    People simply call you mad or a liar and then desperately try to change the subject. Worse of all is when they patronize you by shaking there heads in agreement when in reality they only believe the half they have been indoctrinated into believing. Which is either the right half or the left half.

    Which of course means the whole point is totally lost on them.

    To find true ENLIGHTENMENT one has to abandon all of the fixed ideas that encase your thickening mind in blissful ignorance.

    Reality is not just horribly nasty in the extreme. Reality can KILL YOU, just as quickly and painfully as it has countless millions in the past.

    The reality is that left and right are both NONSENSE, and very manipulative and manipulated bullshit nonsense at that. We only get the bits of either party which ultimately removes wealth, property rights and personal freedoms, while providing ever more excuses to do so more each year.

    You can be sure that the majority of so called lefties will hate our NAZI future every bit as much as a majority of so called righties.

    It is well past the time for libertarians from the blue team and the red team to start being very nice to each other for once.

    We can not beat the banksters system as it holds all the trump cards and is armed to the teeth on our cash.

    But we don’t have to make it so very easy for them. Which staying as ignorant as some of you lot insist on remaining, is not helping freedom, liberty, prosperity, or our collective longevity, one little bit.

    We have to fully discredit the entire MSM especially the BBC. So that never again can the people become so Royally shafted yet again.

    We are being run by people that not only do not have their subjects wishes and well being at heart. There is bugger all they would or could do to protect us NOW even if they did for once.

    The Queen of England is subservient to a far higher power then the British people, and I am not in anyway referring to God, Gordon Brown or the British Parliament.

    The EU and The UN followed by an inevitable world fascist government is indeed her and our, very own establishments baby. Even buying these children of Lucifer an unwanted Christmas card could condemn her own off spring to the history books only.

    Try to understand this fact of life.

    The establishment even decides which cloths you sport, TV you watch, what music you listen too, books and news-papers you read. Therefore what you think concerning the most basic of things. Therefore selecting your government for you, and dictating to it, precisely what it is going to do, is for them EASY PEEZY.

    The Queens speech is indeed The Queens Speech for a far more literal reason then we have been for many many years brainwashed to believe.

    Her Gracious Majesty and the Pope in Rome are of course mainly just figureheads. However the chaps behind these people are just about as big as an unseen hand of secret government can get, without completely blocking out The Sun itself.

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  30. George R says:

    The BBC does churn them out: various dhimmi histories of Islam; one of the latest and worst, is ‘After Rome’ which is an appeasing two-part presentation on BBC 2 TV of Islam ‘history’ by Boris Johnson.

    THREE specific key weaknesses in his account:

    1.) he amazingly avoids the word JIHAD as instrumental in explaining Islamic imperial history from its very origins in the seventh century; for corrective, see e.g. books:
    Robert Spencer (on board of ‘Jihadwatch’) ‘The Truth about Mohammed’; E. Karsh ‘Islamic Imperialism’ see also:

    “Islam 101”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

    2.)the Islamic conquest of Spain presented the usual apologetics, oblivious to counter analyses such as this:

    “The Myth of the Golden Age of Tolerance in Medieval Spain” (by Norman Berdichevsky)

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=4205&sec_id=4205

    3.)Johnson’s treatment of the Crusades was to present them as example of Christian conquest, not as Christian attempts to defend Christianity against the 400 years or so of Islamic jihadist expansionism against Christians up till then; so Christian analyses like this are excluded:

    “Crusade Propadanda” (by Prof. Thomas Madden)

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzhhODM1MDhkYWMxNTRiYmRjMzg2NmY2YjM3ZTRiZDQ=

    See also: book: Robert Spencer “The politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)”.

    And the BBC will provide us subsidising licencepayers with more similar stuff as we are lined up to get set more appeasement of Islamic historical myths in a forthcoming TV series ‘Science and Islam’, in 2009.

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  31. Anonymous says:

    George R | 04.12.08 – 1:22 am

    i didnt watch it – but did he mention the Battle of Tours and Charles Martel?

    thats pretty crucial in any history of Christianity v Islam…

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  32. archduke says:

    sorry. anon above was me.

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  33. archduke says:

    “But the world would still be better off without us.
    Jez Lawrence, leeds, uk”
    Kill the Beeb | 03.12.08 – 6:56 pm | #

    and thus , that is how civilisations die out.

    i hope to God that there are far more of us, than miserable fuckers like “Jez” from Leeds…

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  34. archduke says:

    “It’s amazing just how illiberal the ‘nice’ left are when it comes to protecting the environment.
    The Economist | 02.12.08 – 11:40 pm | # ”

    its been written about in a bestselling book – “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg.

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  35. Jonathan Boyd Hunt says:

    An interesting observation from the U.S. blog “Nobody’s Business” on the BBC’s reporting of the Bombay/Mumbai terror attacks:

    BBC and Mumbai: A New Low

    BBC News, once a mainstay of outstanding, no-nonsense journalism, has been on a rather embarrassing slide for years. I’m not talking about the occasional brainfreeze, such as the broadcaster requesting an interview with Bob Marley a quarter century after the music star’s death. I’m afraid it’s a little more serious than that.

    The BBC consistently misrepresents and obfuscates the story of our time. That would be the spread of Islam that’s being brought about by a ragtag coalition of Muslim firebrands and their naive Western enablers. The gamut runs from various Islamic pressure groups whose raison d’être is to pretend to feel insulted at every turn, to their rainbow-worshipping fellow travelers in Europe and elsewhere, to gangs of Muslim terrorists inflicting mass murder on innocents in countless countries. …

    Now, though, BBC News has outdone itself with an article about the Mumbai attacks entitled “The Age of ‘Celebrity Terrorism’.”

    The broadcaster’s respect for the esteemed prophet’s followers is so deep that every effort is made never to call a spade a spade (or a Muslim a Muslim, excepting positive mentions).

    Follow along if you have the stomach:

    [H]ostages and survivors reported that certain nationalities had been identified by their passports and taken away for execution.

    “Certain nationalities.” That would be Americans and, oh yeah, the BBC’s own countrymen.

    Perhaps we do not know enough about where the perpetrators are from, because they could have come from almost anywhere.

    Really? Almost anywhere? They most assuredly didn’t come from Japan’s Shinto community, or from Mormon circles in Canada, or from atheist groups in the Netherlands. Nor were they spawned by Quaker quilting bees in Pennsylvania, or by evangelical church gatherings in the Congo, or by coteries of Romanian Rosicrucians.

    Where they did come from, spiritually, is the much-vaunted religion of peace; where at least some of them did come from, geographically, is most likely Bradford or Leeds — just like the London subway bombers.

    The very notion that the BBC’s reporting could be subject of such hostile commentary in America, from the stance that the BBC’s leftstism is taken as read, is surely something that would have been thought impossible only ten years ago. Truly, the BBC’s unrelenting biases are now becoming recognised widely throughout the world.

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  36. The Beebinator says:

    it seems to be that everyone on the face of this planet thinks Al Beeb is a left wing mouth piece

    how have they got away with for so long

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  37. The Beebinator says:

    caravan woman is on Today and finds it very hard to say “yes i support the speaker”

    i bet if the Speaker was a caravan freak, she’d be saying yes he has my support

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  38. The Beebinator says:

    ive just stumbled across this web site,http://www.bbcgreen.com/content/home

    its pure left wing socialism and very very biased, giving one side of the arguement, but i guess u all knew that

    when a court of law says that the goreacles film is propaganda and kids should be told its only one side of the arguement, shouldnt Al Beeb issue a likewise statement

    yeah right pmsl @ me

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  39. Peter says:

    A small piece on the Breakfast News which typifies why I feel the whole sorry news, and especially science & tech.. er… environment aspects are now less than worthless.

    It was on.. corks.

    In the (lightly nutty with a hint of spice) red corner we have a luvvie oenophile, for whom no bottle should cost less than £100 and be ‘tainted’.

    In the green corner, we have some bloke on about some bit of fauna being eradicated if the cork tree orchards are converted to other uses.

    Now, I will leave out the majority of the ‘debate’, and my feelings on the matter, because my concern was with the conduct of the blonde and bouffant moderators.

    Even when the two ‘experts’ were accusing each other of being plain wrong and/or being strangers to the truth, the response was ‘oh, well, we’re running out of time, you two sort it out later’.

    No…. I was trying to arrive at a view and was left with an unresolved petty spat. This is supposed to be a news programme; not Jerry Springer.

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  40. The Beebinator says:

    i like this quote from the americanthinker regarding Al Beeb

    “The main theme of the Beeb, surprise, surprise, is to convince the hapless taxpayers that even more socialism is good for them”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2005/12/rollsroyce_socialism_at_the_bo.html

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  41. George R says:

    Anonymous 1:22 am.

    Re-Boris Johnson’s dhimmi history of Islam (BBC 2 last night), there was a reference to Charles Martel, and the Battle of Poitiers in 732, but the line given on it was that this defeat of the northern advance of Muslim jihadists was not particularly crucial because logistically/ militarily the Islamic invaders would probably have limited their northern advance at about Poitiers anyway, so that they could ‘consolidate’.

    AN ALTERNATIVE HISTORY TO JOHNSON’S:

    “Fjordman: Charles Martel and the Battle of Poitiers, 732 ”

    http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/11/charles-martel-and-battle-of-poitiers.html

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  42. mailman says:

    tell you what george, Id give that Professor from Pottiers uni a couple! 🙂

    Actually thought the program on the whole was pretty good, while I didnt agree with everything…it was still a pretty good show.

    When Boris retires from politics, he will have a pretty good future presenting shows on tv.

    Mailman

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  43. Tom says:

    I thought Boris was pretty good too.

    And he did puncture the myth of Al Andalus as wonderful, tolerant, golden age etc.

    Sadly I fell asleep just as the Pope was summoning the first crusaders, so I missed the exciting bit. 🙂

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  44. Grant says:

    Jonathan Hunt 5:32

    The BBC article was written by someone from Chatham House, an extreme left-wing “think tank”. No doubt the BBC will commission an article from a “right- wing” think tank in the interests of “balance” !

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  45. George R says:

    Further to 9:13 am above:

    Perhaps we should make 11 October a European holiday:

    “Raymond Ibrahim’s ‘Today in History’: Charles the Hammer saves the West from Islam”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023059.php

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  46. Tom says:

    Grant | 04.12.08 – 9:31 am

    by someone from Chatham House, an extreme left-wing “think tank”

    Steady on, Grant, I’m a member of Chatham House and there isn’t much left wing about it, unless you class everyone working in international security, the FCO, the MoD and MI6 as dangerous lefties!

    The article in question was written by
    Paul Cornish – who’s a perfectly good bloke with sound ideas. He’s ex-Army (RTR) and used to reach at the staff college.

    You will note that the BBC allowed him to call the terrorists terrorists in his article too.

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  47. Peter says:

    Ah, well, boys will be boys.

    Though some boys do get to be boys with a lot more of the fee payers’ dough, and a lot less censure than others.

    BBC DJ Chris Moyles sparks anger by appearing to suggest Poles made good prostitutes

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3546650/BBC-DJ-Chris-Moyles-sparks-anger-by-appearing-to-suggest-Poles-made-good-prostitutes.html

    Let’s call it Aunty’s contribution, to a uniquely-funded, multi-cultural, but also multiple standards-ridden UK.

    Has all the makings of as distracting prudish ‘them’ ‘Daily’ (Mail, Telegraph) vs. enlightened, edgy ‘us’ ‘The’ (Guardian, Indy) spat over Aunty’s rather dubious ‘honour’… again.

    But when does he broadcast again? And to whom?

    I also merely wonder out loud if the excuses and levels of censure would have been/will be as tame if other groupings had been blessed with this market rate talent’s musings? With luck he will not be soliciting a taxi in Bristol off air any time soon.

    As to all the pussy-footing (if you’ll excuse the term) around the issue. He either said what he said, or didn’t. Why the ‘appearing to suggest’ and ‘misinterpreted’?

    Is the Telegraph report accurate or not? If the former, it seems pretty clear.

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  48. Tom says:

    Peter

    Why the ‘appearing to suggest’ and ‘misinterpreted’?

    Probably because, like many beeboids, Moyles is so crap at communicating clearly that one can only guess what he really means half the time.

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  49. dave t says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7764071.stm

    The BBC keep writing about how the Governor General of Canada might have to suspend Parliament etc. Rubbish – she was appointed by the Liberals and is a renowned Liberal/Speraists shrill who at one stage refused to condemn bombings In Quebec that killed people. She is a former TV anchor and is wholly biased! Funny how the BBC never mention her background…..she will almost certainly, if she can get away with it, do whatever the Liberals want her to do and stuff what is best for Canada who elected a government and now face being governed by the very people they rejected at the ballot box? So much for the BBC’s support of democracy!

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