I am sure you will have read the BBC report of “just a few” rockets being launched from southern Lebanon into Israel overnight. (aka Iran opens the northern front). I invite you to compare the paucity of the BBC coverage of the impact these rockets have had on the Israeli population at the receiving enfdwith that here from Fox. I suppose there wasn’t the room given the BBC need to further character assassinate Israel. Your views?
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it makes me think, who in Al beeb has seen the Balen Report; producers, editors etc, and what measures were taken following its completion as the anti israeli bias/ propaganda gets worse by the hour
Has any of the Balen report been leaked? Do we have any idea what was in it?
Of course, the fact that the BBC has tried to suppress it’s open release is in itself informative.
The American report is more informative all round. At least they have figured out that the purpose of reporting is to inform us of facts and events, not of the opinions and biases of the reporter.
Someone should tell the jokester John Connor of the Trust-me-I-am-from-the-BBC-and-we-are-the-best school of chest-thumping self-delusion.
Once again, we see the BBC hallmark illiteracy on display:
“One of the rockets hit a nursing home were (sic) some 25 elderly residents were eating breakfast in a nearby dining hall…”
If they do not know the difference between two simple English words, I suppose it is too much to expect them to know or to follow the rule about the use of abbreviations for the names of organisations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross(ICRC).
The BBC is a shoddy organisation on so many levels.
I remember reading somewhere that the chief recommendation of the Balen report was that there should be a post of ‘Middle East Editor’.
The BBC accepted this suggestion and duly appointed Jeremy Bowen.
If that was the ‘big idea’ of the Balen report, I doubt if the second order material would make waves even if it were leaked.
Radio One Newsbeat just had a short report on the conflict and a woman from Birmingham who claimed she has lost 15 family members who live in Gaza. Did they also ask someone with israeli connections? Nope.
Has anyone heard the grasping, lying, cheating, anti-semitic BBC refer to the scores of Palestinians murdered and crippled by Hamas?
Amira Hass (the great bleeding heart from Haaretz) filed this report today: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053825.html
Many scores more have been kneecapped.
I haven’t seen any BBC report on this, presumably because Arabs and Islamists – unlike Americans and joos – are simply not morally capable.
I guess they must have changed the report as I couldn’t see “just a few”.
On the whole a pretty balanced report, comparable to the more in-depth Fox one.
Towards the end though a bit of subtle spin was thrown in, particularly this false statement:
“Northern Israel came under attack from rockets fired by Hezbollah during the brief war with Lebanon in the summer of 2006.”
Israel went to war with Hizbollah, not Lebanon.
Milli,
Fox is one of those rare outlets that actually reports news.
People love to take the piss out of them for supposed biased reporting BUT unlike Al Beeb, Fox at least airs all sides of a discussion.
Id happily pay £10 a month for fox to run Al Beeb but I wont pay £10 a month for Al Beeb in its current form.
Mailman
On Radio 4 this morning, yesterday’s rockets from Lebanon were characterised as ‘the first since the recent Gaza invasion’. Er, no. Actually they are the first since the end of the second Lebanon war.
But you can understand why the BBC is at pains not to draw attention to this fact. To give the whole story might show that the same determined Israeli response seen in Gaza was also effective in ending rocket attacks from Hezbollah.
You are a little behind the game – as is the Beeb. There were reports of a possible 2nd front ..see here.
http://tinyurl.com/745ee4
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 – will Hezbollah start 2nd Front ?
The NYT reports that Lebanese Army soldiers found and dismantled eight Katyusha rockets on Christmas Day that were pointed south toward Israel.
The rockets were found near the southern town of Naqura, in the border region where an expanded UN peacekeeping force has been monitoring an uneasy truce since the war in the summer of 2006 between Israel and Hezbollah, the Shiite militant group.
Haaretz reports
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050127.html
that The official Lebanese news agency said on Sunday that Israel Air Force warplanes flew over south Lebanon and set off somic booms. It said that there had also been intensive activity by Unmanned Aerial Vehicles flying at intermediate altitudes over the south.
Compare and contrast maybe with the Irsaeli Government spokesman telling Paxman on Newsnight that they had film of mortars fired from the UNWRA school before kiling 40 people in it – repeated the following morning by Prosor the Israeli Ambassador telling BBC Radio 4 the same lie.
This was corrected later yesterday by “The World at One” and admitted to be wrong. Or what we call ooop North a lie.
The World at One had a lengthy report on the missiles hitting Nahariya, 10 km south of the border with Lebanon and interviews with Israeli spokespeople . ..there has since been another missile fired from S. Lebanon and the Israeli military fired artillery in retaliation at an area close to the southern Lebanese village of Marwaheen, located near the Lebanese-Israeli border.
WOTO also reported on the ICRC report about The Red Cross accusing Israel of failing to help wounded civilians in Gaza, after finding children clinging to their mothers’ corpses. This is also on the BBC online website with video.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7817926.stm
The report suggests a frightening callousness and unconcern for civian dead and injured.
“One medical team found 12 bodies in a shelled house, and alongside them four very young children, too weak to stand, waiting by their dead mothers, the ICRC said.
Aid workers had been denied access to the site for days, it added.
“This is a shocking incident,” Pierre Wettach, ICRC head for Israel and the Palestinian territories said in a statement.
“The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
This Online report also details the rockets sent from S. Lebanon and the Israeli military response.
Hope this helps you understand he situation better without reliance on Fox / ABC / Al Jazeera.
Surely the rocket fire from Lebanon is completely disproportionate since Israel is not attacking Lebanon?
Or does the disproportionate thing only apply to stinky joooos?
Mailman
Ziz, maybe the Israeli soldiers didn’t help those kids ‘cos if they broke cover they’d be shot dead. Hamas would just see the kids as bait. Why didn’t any Gaza residents come to their aid. All idle speculation of course. None of us know what was happening at the time. The Aid spokesman just chose to call it in the worst possible light he could for Israel. Maybe that’s why Israel didn’t trust his people having access to the area, giving their clear desire to aid and abett Hamas.
Mailman:
fox is far more biased than any other news channel i’ve seen in a free country. they basically campaigned for McCain in the 08 election, watching them begrudginly call Obama the winner was a highlight of mine.
Also, I will end discussion of Israel here – Israel is not behaving as a democratic state should, it is abusing it’s power and destabilising the entire region. As a Briton I can’t wait for the day when our government are finally prepared to call the Israelis to account for their war crimes. Unfortunatley that won’t happen soon as too many people who criticise Israel are labelled as racists or anti-semites, then some prat brings up the holocaust and its end of discussion… Bullshit. Brown and Milliband both oppose the lunatic Israeli made war, but neither can, nor are willing, to do a damn thing about it.
Some people on here say ‘well what would you do if youre house was being attacked’ – the reason Hamas and other are attacking israel is because they stole Palestinian land, with the aid of many in the West, and they are reaping what they sowed ever since.
Hey Bill, you forgot about the Palestinians who sold their land to Jews.
BTW Fox is biased, but I don’t have to pay a penny towards it. That’s the whole point about the BBC.
Bill,
Fox was the only outlet prepared to ask the light worker real questions my friend (which is probably why you consider them biased).
Fox is also the most trusted news outlet in America and when you watch you can see why, even more trusted that Al Beeb…GASP!
Unlike CNN, MSNBC, ABC or any of the other alphabet MSM outlets Fox has both left and right views on topics, which it broadcasts regularly.
What I think you dont like is the fact that views that dont tie up to your myopic leftist view of the world gets an airing on Fox.
BTW Bill, Im still waiting for you to reply to my question around how one deals with a group who’s only interest is in your total and utter destruction.
Mailman
The BBC is breaking new grounds in deliberately misleading reporting.
Israel accused over Gaza wounded
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7817926.stm
According to this article, the accusation comes from the International Committee of the Red Cross, who ‘found four weak and scared children beside their mothers’ bodies in houses hit by shelling in Zeitun.’ And in case you did not get the message that this is a supposedly objective report, the Beeb elaborates further down: ‘Correspondents say the criticism is unusually strong, coming from an agency considered to be neutral.’
But this is a lie. The Red Cross in Gaza is the local Red Crescent, composed entirely of local Palestinians. This is not an objective source, but most definitely a one-sided source. The BBC simply lie in this respect.
This is, of course, a standard BBC falsehood. In the same way they always refer to ‘UN sources’ (even in this article, with the same insinuation of a supposedly neutral international source), but fail to tell their readers that all UN staff on the ground are UNRWA staff; and according to UNRWA’s own website: ‘UNRWA employs some 24,324 staff, of whom more than 99 per cent are locally-recruited Palestinians’ http://www.un.org/unrwa/organization/staff.html
So this is again a local Arab source, which the BBC pretends is a neutral international source.
In the same article, they also have something to say on the rockets from Lebanon into Israel: ‘At least three rockets were fired into northern Israel, prompting Israel to reply with artillery. The incident followed Israel’s heaviest bombardment so far on Gaza in nearly two weeks of conflict, with 60 air strikes targeting Hamas facilities.’
Get it? Israel had it coming. Furthermore, they still fail to mention that one of the rockets from Lebanon hit a retirement home, as detailed in the Fox article posted here by David. This too is a normal BBC practice. They hardly ever mention Israeli civilians. If you go through their reports, you get the impression that Gaza and Lebanon only have civilians, whereas Israel only has soldiers. If Gaza only has civilians, who is firing the rockets? Martians?
I’m saving it all. The Beeb’s trial for incitement to murder and for aiding and abetting terrorists is bount to arrive one day.
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ziz,
You probably live in the perfect world where apple trees blossom all year round and the rivers are flowing with milk and honey.
Shit happens in wars…a lot of it isnt nice but hey, this is exactly what Hamas is after. Hamas has finally got the war its been fighting for with Israel. The hope now is that Israel doesnt cave in to international pressure and deals with Hamas because if they dont they will have to go back in eventually to root them out.
Mailman
“…they basically campaigned for McCain in the 08 ”
And the BBC openly campaigned for Obama, and they are not supposed to be biased.
I think you will find Fox was the only news outlet prepared to challenge the Democrats on their record.
Mailman
Bill: “The reason Hamas and other are attacking israel is because they stole Palestinian land”.
Yesterday Bill you were claiming that you could see both sides to the conflict. But I think your mask is starting to slip (see above). Why do yous speak only of Israeli war crimes? Are Hamas and their allies totally innocent?
As for the land argument, I could point out that the Jews occupied Palestine long before the modern-day Palestinians, but I have no desire to get into a historical debate. However, you do seem to be suggesting that the only solution to this conflict is for Israel (current population 7million) to cease to exist. Where should these people go Bill? Remember Israel is some 60+ years old, so therefore most of its citizens have been born and raised in Palestine.
Of course, some Palestinians have themselves been dispossed and as part of a comprehensive peace settlement I’ve no doubt that Israel and the Western world would be prepared to offer some financial compensation – but such a settlement can only be reached when Hamas realize that neither side can win this war by military means. The only viable solution, is a two state solution – Israel and Fatah understand this – Hamas does not. It’s a a shame that you haven’t woken up to this fact!
Correction to my post at 2:42 pm
They do mention the hit on the nursing home further down the article. Much further down.
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The media and the limp wristed BBC types wont take ANY interest unless “those evil joows” decide to hit back. Then it will be “today we are all Hezbollah”
Where is George Gallowanker condemning these rockets? Isn’t it just going to make a bad situation worse?
To clarify one of my above points, I don’t think that the BBC downfall will be because of their attitude to Israel. It will be because the terror gangs they support oppress and kill mostly Arabs. Arab voices against these gangs are getting louder by the day, and therefore whoever supports the gangs will eventually meet justice.
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e-are-the-best-school-of-chest-thumping-self-delusion
How true 😉
Martin, he used to be my MP and I’m pretty sure his name is actually Gallocunt.
Crikey, someone new is shilling for Hamas – and for the oh-so-objective Red Cross (that’s the same antisemitic RC that wouldn’t allow Joos to join as full members for 60 years, because ‘now is not the time’ – to annoy the Muslims).
BTW Bill, my wife’s family come from Pomernia. Their village was etnically cleansed at the end of WWII. The area had been German speaking for over five hundred years.
Like countless others – the family lost their farm,the women were raped, etc… Now since the Poles have stolen his land, would my wife’s Grandfather (who survived a Nazi concentration camp himself) be justified in lobbing rockets over the German/Polish border?
Or would it be more productive for your friends in Gazza to follow his example, i.e. he rebuilt his life in North West Germany, became a teacher and raised his family in peace.
Your choice Bill?
fox is far more biased than any other news channel i’ve seen in a free country. they basically campaigned for McCain in the 08 election, watching them begrudginly call Obama the winner was a highlight of mine.
The BBC shilled for Obama on my money, you sad wanker.
Also, I will end discussion of Israel here – Israel is not behaving as a democratic state should, it is abusing it’s power and destabilising the entire region.
Yes, Joos shouldn’t defend themselves, you disgusting antisemite.
As a Briton I can’t wait for the day when our government are finally prepared to call the Israelis to account for their war crimes
Piss off, antisemitic twat.
oh, yes:
the reason Hamas and other are attacking israel is because they stole Palestinian land
More antisemitic lies from the usual sewer.
hippiepooter | 08.01.09 – 2:00 pm |
Towards the end though a bit of subtle spin was thrown in, particularly this false statement:
“Northern Israel came under attack from rockets fired by Hezbollah during the brief war with Lebanon in the summer of 2006.”
Israel went to war with Hizbollah, not Lebanon.
This reveals the real problem at the BBC: they are actually ignorant of history, and in denial of facts. The Beeboids probably really do think Israel was at war with Lebanon, not just Hezbollah. They really do think that Hezbollah is a resistance organization, and that Israel invaded Lebanon first.
The BBC News department needs complete revamping, including News Online.
Bill Buchanan, and other defenders of the indefensible:
If you think Israel stole Palestinian land, what did you think before 1967? Was that land previously stolen from the Palestinians by Jordan and Egypt?
If you can’t answer that question, then you have no argument.
the reason Hamas and other are attacking israel is because they stole Palestinian land, with the aid of many in the West, and they are reaping what they sowed ever since.
Bill Buchanan | 08.01.09 – 2:24 pm | #
Bill, this is a lie.
Assuming you don’t mean Roman Palestine, the only Palestine in existence since then is the one established by the League of Nations in 1920 as ‘The Jewish National Home’, that is, Israel.
It is the Arabs who have been trying to steal it ever since, with the help of the former colonial powers and chief among them Britain.
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Jonathan,
all I saw from your post was ‘bla bla nazis bla bla holocaust bla bla antisemite bla bla’
thanks
David Preiser
I defend those who are trampled on (Palestine) , those who had their land stolen (palestine) and those who are subjected to years of oppression at the hands of Israel who has friends in high places.
the indefensible are those who claim Israel has a right to do what it wants in the name of security. funny how a lot of people here moan when labour passes security tightening laws yet you all israel has a right to do what it wants if it feels its secuirty is under threat.
Nearly Oxfordian
you are my favourite racist on this site, i love all the intelligent comments you contribute. if you love israel fuck off back there and take up the great fight against innocent civilians.
Hi Anat,
Sorry about that 😉
The trouble in the UK stems from the BBC. My dad is a news junky and I was raised on the BBC. The BBC ‘taught’ me that the Israelis were the ‘baddies’ and the Palestinians were the ‘noble goodies’. To the immature viewer, this is ‘fact’.
Luckily for me, I left the UK for two years and lived in Taiwan. Thankfully, there was no BBC there. This coincided with 9/11 and the ‘intifada’. It became clear that things were not as clear cut as the BBC had led me to believe. I met ex-Israeli soldiers in Thailand and saw things from their perspective. Strangely, a lot of them had respect for Britain’s history that you won’t find anywhere in the BBC’s output.
Now that I’ve had my eyes opened to the realities of the current situation (Palestinians were offered everything they have claimed to want at the Camp David Summit, but still turned it down and chose violence) and learned more about the history of the region (which the BBC never explains to its viewers beyond ‘Jews stole land’ and ‘Jews to blame for escalating violence/war crimes/civilian deaths/humanitarian crisis/whatever’), I can honestly say that I back Israel 100% in its current struggle.
The day that Palestinians want peace with Israel, they will get it and a working state (if they can actually manage not to fuck it up). Egypt got land for peace. The Israelis gave up an incredible strategic position in the Sinai in return for peace. They have proved that they are good to their word.
When will the Palestinians rise to the occasion?
Bill Buchanan: Can’t you get it through that thick fucking skull of yours that what political bias Fox is or is not has nothing to do with this blog?
The BBC is funded by a tax that everyone has to pay. You can decide to watch Fox or not, you’re not forced to pay for it.
CNN NBC and MSNBC are very left wing in their output. So what?
It’s the same old pathetic crap spouted out by leftie losers who actually have nothing useful to say.
The Guardian newspaper is read by about 50,000 people (mostly at the BBC) and would have gone out of business years ago were it not kept afloat by the tax payer. I strongly object to paying for a left wing newspaper as well as the BBC.
Dr. Jones 1:50
You make a good point.
The BBC view that we can’t apply Western democratic standards of decency to Muslims and, say, black Africans is , in itself a form of, albeit probably unconscious, racism.
In effect, the BBC view is that you cannot expect these people to have the same standards as us, all cloaked in the guise of them being in different “cultures”, but still “morally equivalent”.
I suppose the BBC would extend it to a culture which practices child sacrifice. Oh, silly me, they already do… Hamas !
ziz 2:13
Thank you very much for educating us all on this website.
I can’t speak for other posters but I, for one , am eternally grateful.
Bill Buchanan,
I guess you can’t answer my question. Reality is tricksy, eh?
Grimer:
OHH that was a heartwarming tale of yours. I used to live in Taiwan, where oddly enough BBC World was one of, if not THE, most popular international news channel . It is also produced the most balanced coverage of the lot. Go figure.
Bill Buchanan: The problem with Liebour is that the laws they pass to ‘tighten security’ have nothing to do with rooting out terrorists.
I can tell you where the terrorists are in the UK. Go to Bradford. Blackburn, Leeds or Tipton. Look for any bearded fucking arsehole going to Pakistan for a ‘computer course’ or to attend a ‘wedding’ or going to Afghanistan for ‘charity work’
You don’t need to pass any fucking laws to work that out.
Perhaps if fucking Bliar hadn’t allowed the Europeans to empty their sewers of Muslims extremists in the 1990’s into Londonistan in the hope of buying Muslim votes in the elections we might not be in the mess we are now.
The problem with Liebour is that the laws they pass are used by a corrupt politicised Police force to harass ordinary people not to sort out terrorists.
Perhaps the sight of a Jew being dragged out of the Liebour party conference and arrested under terrorism laws is something you like to jack off to?
Bill 2:24
“Fox campaigned for McCain”. And the BBC campaigned for Obama, so I guess they cancel out.
The difference is the BBC did it with licence payers money and Fox, with subscibers money.
We didn’t get it in Tainan. The only western channel was originally CNN followed later by Star.
However, you’ve neatly sidestepped my question.
When will the Palestinians choose peace?
Bill Buchanan | 08.01.09 – 2:24 pm | #
Liberals can’t really cope with Fox News can they? The fact that it actually gives airtime to viewpoints other than the lily-livered, politically correct liberal dogma that dominates every other TV news station in America (as well as virtually every newspaper, every public institution, virtually all of popular culture etc) riles leftists like Bill to the point where they make the most hilariously melodramatic claims, like for instance “Fox is the most biased news station in the free world” and other such absurdities.
The tantrums that liberals throw over Fox News are just another form of left wing theater. It really is pathetic.
There is no doubt that Fox has a conservative “slant.” But look at the context: a media in which virtually everyone else has a liberal slant. I’ve yet to hear one single living liberal complain about the totalitarian liberal bias on stations like MSNBC, CBS and CNN. That’s because their beef with Fox News isn’t about defending the principle of impartiality per se, it’s about getting their panties in a bunch over the very existence of conservative viewpoints expressed on TV. The fact that they don’t even have to watch it is irrelevant to liberals – they still think that outlets like Fox should be curtailed and silenced.
In fact, despite its conservative slant, Fox is actually the most diverse news station in America, giving far more time to liberal viewpoints than any of the liberal stations give to conservative viewpoints. Bill’s assertion that Fox “campaigned for McCain” is hysterical, given that every single other TV news outlet was in effect an arm of the Obama campaign, refused to ask any pressing questions of the man, gushed adoration of him 24/7 and did everything they could to crucify McCain and Palin. This is not conjecture Bill, it’s objective fact and it’s on the record. Studies have been done of the media coverage of the election, and they have found an overwhelming bias in favor of Obama.
So for Bill to sit there and bitch that Fox News “campaigned for McCain” is really just another way of expressing his upset that they didn’t tow the line and campaign for Obama like the other stations. To then call Fox the most biased news station in the “free world” beggars belief. It’s at this point that you really have to wonder whether leftists like Bill are on the same planet as the rest of us.
Bill: “All I saw from your post was ‘bla bla nazis bla bla holocaust bla bla antisemite bla bla'”
Funny that because I didn’t mention the holocaust nor did I call anybody (including you) or any organisation ‘antisemite’.
Ok David you answer my questions….
Is Israels response proportionate?
Is it achieving anything?
Is the ‘war’ in any way linked to the upcoming election (ie. Is it really all about Lvini’s election campaign?)
Is it anti-semitic to criticise Israels actions?
Why do you feel Israel has earned the right to help/support from the international community?
I defend those who are trampled on (Palestine)
No you don’t. The Arabs of Palestine have been trampled on by the Jihadi gangs continuously since the 1930’s, when the gangs massacred them in droves. They were then told by the gangs and their supporters to step aside until the Jews are cleansed, and when this failed they were put in camps by the Arabs countries for generations. These atricities have been made with UN support, due to the automatic majority the Arabs and their supporters carry in the UN.
The gangs, who appointed themselves to speak for those they oppress, also rejected all UN resolutions including the one concerning the Palestine refugees. Check it out. Israel accepted UN resolution 194 which calls for repatriation of those Arabs ‘willing to live in peace with the neighbours’, but the Arab League rejected it.
Yes, the Arabs of Palestine have been horribly wronged, but not by Israel. If you care for them direct your ire at the real culprits.
those who had their land stolen (palestine)
This is a lie. See my previous post.
those who are subjected to years of oppression at the hands of Israel who has friends in high places.
Opressed, yes; but not by Israel. See above. Friends in high places? You mean like the UN, Red Cross, OPEC etc?
the indefensible are those who claim Israel has a right to do what it wants in the name of security. funny how a lot of people here moan when labour passes security tightening laws yet you all israel has a right to do what it wants if it feels its secuirty is under threat.
Bill Buchanan | 08.01.09 – 3:33 pm | #
Untrue again. Britain has been going to war in recent years for far less. Beside, thousands of rockets and exploding buses are not a matter of ‘feeling’, unless you feel like belittling facts that do not match your narrative.
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Jason is really trying to say, yes Fox is biased but so is the beeb. Only the beeb isn’t. The BBC consistently priovides the best coverage on these issues. Here the obvious story is the bombing in Gaza, so its hardly shocking they are covering the bombs and their affect is it?
Bill: “The BBC consistently priovides the best coverage on these issues”
Do you think that was the conclusion of the Bohlen report? If so, I wonder why the BBC is suppressing its publication….?