Just a reminder that we go live again here on Biased BBC tomorrow night and this time I will have another moderator to help me so let’s make this the biggest and best liveblog yet. Here’s the panel for tomorrow night!
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Jim T. | 29.01.09 – 4:06 pm
The fact we can’t be too sure means he’s doing his job better than some beeboids we could all name.
Not much on google to help –
South China Morning Post’s view:
David Dimbleby, conservative brother of the more politically correct Jonathan
http://www.scmp.com/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=3f184fb993fe1110VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCR...
Robin Carmody’s view:
Dimbleby is clearly an old-school conservative (Tory wet – his closest friend in politics was/is William Waldegrave)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=28560530
David Dimbleby himself:
David Dimbleby has accused the Blair Government of a “dangerous” reliance on spin and claimed that Gordon Brown has refused to appear on Question Time.
In an interview with Michael Parkinson, the broadcaster blames new Labour for a decline in public faith in politicians.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1872893.ece
Makes this site look sane I tell you
Trust MWL to regard legitimate and factual criticism of BBC bias as ‘insane’.
MWL is really Dimbleby and I claim my prize.
That – together with his general demeanour, the fact he was in the Bullingdon at Oxford, makes me doubt he is a red-hot socialist, or indeed a Labour man at all
That’s hardly the point. There are plenty of champagne ‘socialists’ who are dementedly biased against anything British, against Israel, are pro-terrorists etc. Just look at Livingdead. Just look at the vile Toynbee (her father was an antisemitic shit also).
World saved Guy’s…. Obama gets down to work….It is his first piece of Legislation….
Washington Post – 32 minutes ago
By Debbi Wilgoren and Amy Goldstein President Obama this morning signed a law that expanded the time frame in which workers can sue for discrimination they have experienced based on gender, race, national origin or religion.
Maybe they will discuss this monumental moment..
FS
I’d be a socialist if I ponced about the country talking bollox, getting paid millions, having inherited millions, got daddy to set me up in the family business – the beeb, swan off to America, do election night coverage and drivel programmes on art all on your cash – don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Same as anything, you don’t tell your customers they’re all idiots do you? He’s a charlatan.
Wet Conservatives like Clarke and Heseltine are worse than hard Left Trotskyites.
Nearly Oxfordian | 29.01.09 – 4:53 pm
her father was an antisemitic shit also
That’s odd. He was beaten up by Moseley’s Blackshirts.
Do you have an evidence to back up this charge against Philip Toynbee?
Her stepfather, Richard Wollheim, was certainly not an anti-semite.
Perhaps you toss this charge around too carelessly?
mikewiheliberal
Over the last few months I have read the continual stream of pathetic and totally unconvincing arguments submitted by you that are intended to show the bbc as an impartial entity.So I ask one simple question of you.Do you think that the bbc is biased in ANY WAY at all?
If your answer is yes,then all your posts have to be disregarded.If no,then I have to ask why do you bother contributing to this site….unless you are paid by the bbc to do so.
Dick the Prick | 29.01.09 – 5:26 pm
I’d be a socialist if I ponced about the country talking bollox, getting paid millions, having inherited millions
I wouldn’t. I’d be rooting for an ultra-low-tax economy.:+:
mikewineliberal | 29.01.09 – 12:51 pm |
You really think that being anti-government is a how the BBC picks its panelists on QT and is therefore balanced?
If so why don’t they have a panel with Michael Howard, Lord Lawson, Nigel Farage and some labour mp (Frank Field?) and then for the celebrity angle invite Rick Wakeman.
But of course they won’t do that because that is not the criteria they use? They first find three politicians from the left, put on a token “Tory toff” and have some so-called anarchic comedian who is even more demented than the very wealthy Polly Toynbee. They could even have Frederick Forsyth to present it.
Frank Field talks more sense than most of the rest of our sorry 600+ representatives, which is why he is one Labour MP that will rarely appear on this festival of planted questions and leftie rent a mobs.
I know nothing about the sainted Polly’s father, but her grandfather Arnold Toynbee (1889-1975) was a British historian, who through his controversial theory on civilizations found a place in Israeli and Jewish awareness as an “anti-Semite.” According to his theory, civilizations, like human beings, have life cycles that are marked by rises and falls. But the story of the Jewish people, who were determined to survive 2,000 years in the Diaspora only to rise again as a modern nation, did not suit his theory. Thus Toynbee described the Jews as a historic “fossil” – not dead, true, but also not really alive.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/817029.html
Jon 5:40
Great post again!
Or, as tonight it is from Bonnie Scotland, why are Sturgeon and Gray on the panel and not Goldie and Scott.
There may be a reason, but I think we should be told !!!
The BBC can’t argue that no “leaders ” of parties are there, because Gray is .
Just happens he is Labour.
La Cump 6:27
Probably not the place to discuss the history of the Toynbee family, but Polly, Philip, Arnold and Arnold J. have more in common than just DNA and great wealth.
They have always risked other people’s lives rather than their own !
Wall Street Journal has an analysis of the Obama so-called “stimulas”.
An excerpt
We’ve looked it over, and even we can’t quite believe it. There’s $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn’t turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There’s even $650 million on top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons….
[B]y our estimate only $90 billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus. And even many of these projects aren’t likely to help the economy immediately. As Peter Orszag, the President’s new budget director, told Congress a year ago, “even those [public works] that are ‘on the shelf’ generally cannot be undertaken quickly enough to provide timely stimulus to the economy.”
Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?
Here’s another lu-lu: Congress wants to spend $600 million more for the federal government to buy new cars. Uncle Sam already spends $3 billion a year on its fleet of 600,000 vehicles. Congress also wants to spend $7 billion for modernizing federal buildings and facilities. The Smithsonian is targeted to receive $150 million; we love the Smithsonian, too, but this is a job creator?
Another “stimulus” secret is that some $252 billion is for income-transfer payments–that is, not investments that arguably help everyone, but cash or benefits to individuals for doing nothing at all. There’s $81 billion for Medicaid, $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits, $20 billion for food stamps, and $83 billion for the earned income credit for people who don’t pay income tax.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html
Perhaps you toss this charge around too carelessly?
Perhaps you are just shooting your mouth off?
Arnold Toynbee was an antisemite.
Wasn’t he her father?
If he was some other relative, then I simply made a small mistake in the family tree.
Just saw La Cumparsita’s post. So OK, he was her grandfather.
Why the scare quotes, though? In my book, anyone who denies the Jews’ right to nationhood is an antisemite by definition.
PS. Clearly, Toynbee was also totally ignorant about Japanese and Chinese cultures, and arguably Hindu culture. Which raises the suspicion that he didn’t like Asiatics.
Nearly Ox 7:04
Many people confuse Arnold and Arnold J. Toynbee, let alone Philip, but ,don’t worry, they were made from the same mould ( mold ? ).
Their historical anti-semitism even extended to hatred of the Ottoman Turks because they gave refuge to the Sephardic Jews !
Thanks for pointing it out, Grant.
Mould in British English (mold is a fungus), mold in American English.
Kirk in Corrie:
“Yes, I am unique. Before they made me, they broke the mould”.
Nearly Ox 7:20
Yes, I was making a pun on the spellings and meanings of the word “mold”/ “mould” in relation to the Toynbee family history.
Nearly Ox
I don’t wan’t to clog up this website, but check out Arnold Toynbee’s authorship of the ” Blue Book ” as an anti-Turkish, anti-Semitic propaganda publication.
Under “Prescott fronts Labour phone push” the BBC News/politics website is clearly pushing a party political electioneering story.
Gaza impartiality is obviously more important than UK politics impartiality.
Grant: By the way you do not have to apologise for some of your fellow countrymen – the most fervent anti-English are English. Brown and Blair will not destroy their own country but people like Straw and Prescott and dare I say it Toynbee, will certainly destroy theirs.
Nearly Oxfordian | 29.01.09 – 7:04 pm |
Arnold Toynbee was an antisemite.
Wasn’t he her father?
No.
OK, he was her grandfather.
Wrong again. Her grandfather was Arnold J. Toynbee.
I suspect that if anyone else had made such errors, you would be bandying around phrases like ‘ignorant tosser’ by now.
Clearly the correct answer to my question
Perhaps you toss this charge around too carelessly?
is: Yes.
Do you think anti-Semitism is hereditary?
And what about those Blackshirts beating up Philip T?
Jon | 29.01.09 – 5:40 pm
From what I can tell, they pick someone from one of the major parties; then more often than not someone from one of the minor parties, so SNP, UKIP, Plaid; and then a wild card, such as janet daley, melanie phillips, Andrew Roberts, Stephen Pollard. This is the standard split.
jeffD | 29.01.09 – 5:33 pm
It’s really not that simple is it? I’m sure not all the swans are white, but in my view most are.
“Do you think anti-Semitism is hereditary?”
No – it is passed on by by antisemitic parents and teachers. Children are not born to hate they are taught it.
Grant | 29.01.09 – 7:41 pm
check out Arnold Toynbee’s authorship of the ” Blue Book ” as an anti-Turkish, anti-Semitic propaganda publication.
The Blue Book was a British Government account of the genocide perpetrated against the Armenian people (mostly Catholic or Orthodox Christians) by the Muslim Turks in 1916.
It was written by Viscount Bryce and Arnold J Toynbee.
It amy have been to some extent ‘propaganda’ • but then we were at war with the Ottoman Turks at the time.
The same Government that published it was busy drafting the Balfour Declaration at the same time.
Jon 8:24
Great point. It raises the question of why anyone would want to destroy their own country and many other questions.
Much covered by the great link you gave to Evan Sayet’s talk .
So much more to say !!
“It’s really not that simple is it?” So what is the formula?
It seems pretty simple to me to get a balance. 2 from the centre right 2 from the centre left = balance.
Do you think the BBC find this difficult to achieve?
Anon 8:47
This is maybe not the forum to discuss this , but Bryce just signed off, Toynbee authored.
I think your date of 1916, should read 1915.
But, great to hear from someone interested in the subject of Genocide !
Jon | 29.01.09 – 9:08 pm
“simple comment was to jeffd.
mikewineliberal | 29.01.09 – 9:25 pm |
Sorry misread
To the BBC the centre right would be EUrophiles Clarke and Heseltine .
Mikeyboy 9:25
Doh ! Too much white wine maybe !
Got Obama crapping on about getting rid of nukes.
Don’t tell me Barak, go convince North Korea and Iran, and come back when they decommission all of theirs.
The BBC of course are delighted and are swinging their CND trousers.
Yes, I was making a pun on the spellings and meanings of the word “mold”/ “mould” in relation to the Toynbee family history
Very good – sorry for being a little slow on this one 😉
Jon
The problem we have, is not so much balance. Our problem is gaining honest information from either side. Having politicians from both sides on the TV, does not ensure such a thing in itself. I would contend that the so called ‘both sides’ and the BBC, which is supposed to be in the middle, hide far more highly important truths, then they expose.
The simple truth is globalization, and the powers that are at this moment forcing it, kicking and screaming, onto the entire worlds population. This can only be done by means of smoke, mirrors and conspired economic mega busts, because the people, would not like the truth. They would not like the truth, because this New World Order is not designed to be for the interests of the general population. Whats more the powers that be, and their mouthpiece The BBC, KNOW THIS.
Globalization as in, world trade, is not in itself an Evil thing. World trade has been going on for a very long time. The Evil thing is the powers that are driving the agenda, ie The BBC and the OWNERS and controllers of the International Banking System.
The IBS desires to control or effectively eradicate any real democracy from the planet. This long and highly planned process is now reaching its conclusion. They are doing this not because they do not already control the democratic process, because they do and have long since done so. They are doing this because they simply cant be bothered with the cost and effort of bribing politicians and media owners, anymore.
The IBS has engineered this economic collapse for a reason.
Its head organization the IMF will propose a solution to the problem it deliberately caused.
This will be a proposal to accept further regulation and monopolization of the Banking system. In exchange for far more important and REAL restrictions and general control over remaining national governments.
Whatever the details exactly are. The net result will be a Corporate Capitalist take over of the entire planet, headed up by the worlds central bank. Which is another term for World Fascism.
This may be many things, and ultimately turn out to be many others. However I can assure you, it will have very little to do with conservatism, free market capitalism, and certainly not libertarianism sooner or later.
For those not paying any real attention, as there heads are constantly filled with lies and disinformation from watching infinitely too much BBC TV. This ‘BIG IDEA’ generally gos by the name of The New World Order.
What this all means for you and me personally, is very much up for debate. However the fact that The New World Order is finally upon us, is NOT. IMO.
Although watching politicians on both sides talking utter rubbish, while skillfully avoiding the real issue, can sometimes be entertaining. Watching professional liars doing their thing on The BOX, can leave me feeling more then a little sick.
Which is why I have not been able to sit through an entire episode of QT, for as long as I can remember.
I suspect that if anyone else had made such errors, you would be bandying around phrases like ‘ignorant tosser’ by now.
You suspect wrongly. The exact family relationship between them is hardly of huge importance.
But hey, when someone has as little of substance to say as you do, jumping on the bandwagon is all that’s left.
Clearly the correct answer to my question
Perhaps you toss this charge around too carelessly?
is: Yes
Clearly you are talking through the back of your neck. Their family relationship has nought to do with his antisemitism.
mikewineliberal…
So you feel certain parts of the bbc are biased? C’mon commit!
The same Government that published it was busy drafting the Balfour Declaration at the same time
Governments are made up of factions.
The IBS desires to control or effectively eradicate any real democracy from the planet
Is IBS a genus of lizards?
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jeffD 10:50
nice one !!
Seconded. But it would be against his religion to do so.
frankos 10:35
There is a close relationship between the Russian and Iranian military , political and intelligence services.
They are not stupid.
They will have worked on Obama and his people.
I guess, their view is that Obama is a very weak man . Maybe even weaker than Carter and Clinton.
So they will test the boy. See what he is made of.
Just now , they are playing with Obama, next step , maybe , Ukraine ?
Stealthy approach from the BBC to spin one story into another.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7854348.stm
jeffD | 29.01.09 – 10:50 pm
I’ve said before that the BBC’s bias towards religion is disgraceful. This is particularly so on Today, with thought for the day a ridiculous anomaly; plus its concern with the internal workings of the CoE and ludicrous coverage of the same church’s views on great matters of the day.In an increasingly secular society, I do think the views of the religious are gramme
undue prominence on the BBC.
Very good – sorry for being a little slow on this one
Nearly Oxfordian | 29.01.09 – 10:46 pm | #
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