Where’s Geert?

Please tell me I’m wrong. I can’t find anything on the BBC about the message Geert Wilders has received from Irving N. Jones on behalf of the Secretary of State for the Home department.
(If anyone hasn’t seen Fitna yet it can be seen on Jihad Watch).

Wilders barred from UK: “would threaten community harmony and therefore public security”

The Telegraph’s report also seems rather inhibited, or am I imagining things.
“A spokesman told the daily Telegraph “The government opposes extremism in all its forms.” ” It will stop those who want to spread extremism hatred and violent messages from coming into our country”

So by stopping someone from coming into this country who wants to stop extremism hatred and violent messages, the government is stopping extremism hatred and violent messages?

Pull the other one.

Whatever side you’re on, it’s certainly a big news story, but maybe the BBC thinks making a big fuss would threaten community harmony and therefore public security.

If the BBC is not reporting this, or is playing it down, it is far more sinister than just another victory for Lord Ahmed.


A report has now appeared on the BBC website. Was I too quick to post or was the BBC a bit slow?

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123 Responses to Where’s Geert?

  1. anton says:

    and meanwhile, whilst Geert Wilders has been banned:


    THE controversial editor of a newspaper with alleged links to extremist organisations is due to speak at an anti-war rally at Birmingham City Council’s offices tomorrow.

    Ibrahim Moussawi, who edits the Hezbollah newspaper the journal AlIntiqad, in Lebanon, was recently barred from entering Ireland where he was due to speak at anti-war meetings.

    Now Home Secretary and Redditch MP Jacqui Smith has come under fire for the decision to allow Moussawi into the country.


    A Home Office spokeswoman said Jacqui Smith could exclude or deport someone from Britain only if their presence was “not condusive to the public good”.


  2. ipreferred says:

    I heard it on Today this morning.


  3. weirdvis says:

    It’s a national disgrace. So is Jackboot Smith.


  4. George R says:

    The BBC interviewed Geert Wilders in its own inimitable hostile way, in 2008.

    Here is a comment on that interview, plus link to the BBC 25 mins. video of Sackur (I’ll interrupt you there) interview:

    ‘SIOE: Stop Islamisation of Europe’-

    “Geert Wilders BBC interview 2008”



  5. caveman says:

    Sue – can you check the link to Jihad Watch please – or maybe it is just my computer that does not like it.


  6. ipreferred says:


    There you go. Another stunning non-story from B-BBC.


  7. haddock says:

    not just the BBC ignoring this one…. nothing on Conservativehome or Iain Dale…. even Guido doesn’t seem to be bothered. Cranmer as usual is worth reading


  8. George R says:


    This link to ‘jihadwatch’ should work:



  9. George R says:

    How predictable! The BBC shows it true political colours by giving prominence in its belated ‘news’ report on Wilders’ ban from UK to the pro-ban views of the Labour Lord Ahmed:

    “Ban on Dutch MP from entering UK”

    To repeat ‘Cranmer’ on Wilders, and on Labour Lord Ahmed:

    “Geert Wilders banned from UK”


    “Lord Ahmed must be prosecuted for treason”


    “As far as Cranmer is concerned, any person, however ennobled, who threatens to bring a horde of 10,000 Muslims upon Parliament in order to stifle debate and bully it into submission is no ‘moderate’. By threatening this, Lord Ahmed has shown himself to be one of the very extremists he purports to eschew, committed to the same ideology as those who seek to impose Shari’a law upon the UK and subjugate the kuffar to the will of Allah. He is of the very mindset of those imams imported from Pakistan who poison the minds of Britain’s Muslim youth and distort the teachings of the Qur’an for their own warped ends. He is an arrogant bully, manifestly used to getting his own way, and he lords it over their Lordships to the extent that his religio-political adherence exhorts him to do so.”



  10. Dave S says:

    The governments and elites of Europe are truly scared of and unable to deal with the cult of death that has become the underlying threat behind the militant Islamist agenda.
    It is fear that drives them. So banning Wilders is a response to this fear and nothing to do with anything else.
    There is nothing in our European experience to prepare us for this not even the wars ,ostensibly over religion, of the 16th and 17th centuries.
    It is probably why all the power structures, including the BBC, appear to be desperate to appease the Moslem world view. Fear real fear.
    That this fear weakens the Moslem world in any attempt it makes to deal with the extremists never occurs to them. Hence debate is shut down and the extremists are allowed to set the rules. We cannot defend Western Civilisation like this but so ingrained has become the belief in our elites that our civilisation is worthless that the will has gone.


  11. George R says:

    ‘Spectator’ blog –
    Melanie Phillips:

    “Britain capitulates to Terror”

    “If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes. Wilders, the Dutch member of parliament who had made an uncompromising stand against the Koranic sources of Islamist extremism and violence, was due to give a screening of Fitna, his film on this subject, at the House of Lords on Thursday. This meeting had been postponed after Lord Ahmed had previously threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak. To their credit, the Lords authorities had stood firm and said extra police would be drafted in to meet this threat and the Wilders meeting should go ahead.”



  12. Ratass Shagged says:

    When I was a kid I had to live under the constant threat and fear of atomic war.

    Now in adulthood I have to live under the constant fear of Islam.

    Give me the nuclear bombs any day of the week.


  13. mailman says:


    You would have more chance of getting Wilders tried for treason then getting anything done about Ahmed.



  14. Doug says:

    The Home Office let in plenty of extremist anti-Semitic imams who were invited by Ken Livingstone.

    Even the Dutch Foreign Minister, a political enemy of Wilders has officially complained to the government.

    I hope Wilders makes good on his threat to come any way and get a good few pictures of jackboot Jacqui’s police putting him in cuffs and making him a political prisoner.


  15. Sue says:

    ipreferred | 11.02.09 – 11:12 am

    About time. Better late than never.

    Near the top. “But Mr Wilders, who faces trial in his own country for inciting hatred, has been denied entry by the Home Office”
    Just to remind us that he’s a dangerous man.

    Sorry if the link to Jihad Watch doesn’t work for you, but do use George R’s and let us know who is most responsible for inciting hatred?
    We are here to point out bias at the BBC, and when I posted I could find no sign of any BBC article on the subject, although it was mentioned on several other websites, and was commented on here – yesterday.

    Although my initial surprise was over the absence of the subject, now it has belatedly appeared on the BBC website I am hardly surprised that it is phrased to make the government’s decision look almost sensible.


  16. Anonymous says:

    Sue, can I suggest you post an update saying the BBC now has the story, but it took them long enough.


  17. anton says:

    There is an entry and comments section plus a poll on whether Geert should be allowed into the country on Labour Home.

    Please could you express your view there too?



  18. Cockney says:

    I’ve never heard of this bloke before, but I don’t think that anyone with hair that bad should be allowed to enter the UK.

    Seriously, I note from the Beeb story that the rules have been mysteriously tightened up “since October” amidst much non fanfare, so presumably no more islamic extremists will be allowed in henceforth. at all. otherwise it would be unfair, wouldn’t it?


  19. George R says:

    ‘EU referendum’:

    “Well, now we have a problem”



    You’re probably right.]


  20. Jeff Todd says:

    I see the Balen report has raised its head again – loking like it will be published soon. (http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com/)

    The Beeb has difficulty understanding that if it is a truly impartial reporter, then it has nothing at all to hide from anyone.

    Using licencepayers’ cash to fund the burying of this report is conclusive proof that the Beeb is out of control, is managed by those with their own political agenda and its abolition should be expedited.


  21. Boy Blue says:

    It is not just fear that motivates Labour in banning Geert Wilders. It is also necessity. With their traditional white working class voter base now in free fall, they have to pander to Muslims for votes.

    Our hard won freedoms which owe nothing to Islam, and precious little to Parliament seeing, as they were only ever begrudgingly granted under threat from below, are now just trinkets to be traded away for party gain.


  22. Philip, London says:

    Moussawi comes in but Geert doesn’t.

    These Nulab Dmimmis are either scared to death of Muslims, or in bed with them.

    Which is it, Jacqui?


  23. George R says:

    The ‘Daily Mail’ seems to want to open up discussion on the issue of free speech in the UK, and Geert Wilders:

    ‘Diplomatic row after Jacqui Smith bans from Britain Dutch MP who planned to show anti-Islam film at House of Lords’

    “Yes, Wilders is highly controversial but freedom dies if we ban him from addressing our Parliament” (Melanie Phillips).


    In contrast to the ‘Daily Mail’, the BBC, if anything, appears to want to close discussion down on free speech, and to support the Labour government on this.

    [Boy Blue 12:55 pm

    Yes, and the same sort of political opportunism towards the Muslim vote seem to afflict the Tory leadership on this issue.]


  24. Anonymous says:

    Does Haloscan have the painters in today?


  25. Preposteroso says:

    Sue, they were very slow . . .


  26. Cheeta says:

    I know Melanie Phillips is a regular, albeit pasted, contributor to this site, but the following is, I think, an intriguing and tidy summary of views from one of her readers:

    February 11th, 2009 1:50am
    This just goes to show now that the House of Lords and in fact the House of Commons is under the control of Lord Nazir Ahmed. It seems that when he says jump they all do.

    They have not allowed Geert in for a few reasons:

    1. The police know there are thousands of terrorist cells in the UK. If they decided to explode all at once, they’ll shut down the UK. Think about all the terrorist cells all over the UK? You may be thinking yeah but the police have them covered – WRONG. Who’s going to look after the Muslims when they go for a long stroll with their “Kill the Kufar” banners – all over British Cities? We’ve already seen the police running backwards for a mile after they lost control of the Pro Palestine march weeks ago in London. And where’s our Army? Well they’re conveniently tucked away in an un-winnable war in Afghanistan and Iraq, fighting against the very same ideology that the government is banning Wilders from coming into the UK to tell the British people all about. Oh the irony of it all.

    2.Ever heard of Sharia Finance? Well Britain’s Islamic finance sector is bigger than Pakistan’s. It means that the government is going to lick Islam’s posterior in order to not lose it. If they allow in Wilders they will lose the finance. It’s pathetic really. They are completely incapable of seeing that Sharia is laying down the foundation of Islamisation in the UK. They are also completely blind to not see that the Islamic Finance is funding the Taliban and Islamist militia groups all over the World. They are selling their country out to get votes, to keep them sticking their snouts in the trough of Parliament corruption and greed!
    What do we do? Shall we all just start praying to Allah five times a day and making sure our women are covered up fully? It would mean removing almost all of the National Gallery pictures, closing all the pubs down, getting rid of pigs. No? Well unless someone does something to wake the people up to Islamisation then you’d better start doing just this.


  27. Mailman says:

    Wilders for Question Time!

    Imagine Shami self imploding at the mere sight of the guy 🙂



  28. caveman says:

    Sue and George R: George R’s link does work – thanks. I have watched the film, which is very powerful.

    The graphs showing muslim population growth in Europe is shocking.

    Here are the words that appear at the end of the FITNA film:

    …For it is not up to me but to muslims themselves to tear out the hateful verses from the quran.

    Muslims want you to make way for Islam, but Islam does not make way for you.

    The Government (Netherlands?) insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you.

    Islam wants to rule, submit, and seeks to destroy our western civilisation.
    In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe.

    Now, the Islamic ideology has to be defeated
    Stop Islamisation
    Defend our Freedom

    Co-scripted by Geert Wilders
    (Included in the video: Netherlands newspaper headline:
    Al-Qaeda proclaims death-penalty Jihad against Geert Wilders)

    find the official FITNA website at:

    —-end of quote—

    What on earth have the people of the UK done in stupidly voting for MPs of the type who have arranged for hordes of people who want to wage war on us and hate us, to come and live in our midst, from where they can execute their plan?

    Are the muslims in the UK going to calm down and settle here peacefully and integrate, or get worse? I think we all know the answer.


  29. Philip, London says:

    Good on the Mail for opening up the debate. Hopefully Geert will arrive tomorrow and if turned back, the story will get legs.

    To Mailman: Great imagery, but I’m not too sure Shami would explode at Geert. Surprisingly, she has proved herself to be very pro free speech on occasion.

    It would be good to have him on though, for the simple reason that the British would find out how articulate, reasonable, intelligent and non-‘extreme’ he really is.


  30. Hugh Oxford says:

    The BNP don’t have to do much these days, just let the actions of New Labour and the passivity of the Conservatives do all the running for them.

    Every day comes another news item that makes voting BNP look like the most rational choice. If you told me six months ago I would be writing this, I would have punched you.


  31. Muslim Wars says:

    Ouch! that punch hurt.

    Message to BNP – stop your anti-Jews nonsense. Notice how Geert Wilders says ‘we defeated Nazism’ at the end of his film, and does not go in for your crazy vote-losing strategy of joining the muslims on this issue.


  32. Tom says:

    There doesn’t seem to me to be much difference between what William Ewart Gladstone said about the Koran and what Wilders is saying.

    Does that mean Nick Clegg and Vince Cable are next?


  33. Cheeta says:

    Message to Sue – the BBC currently has this story hidden at the BOTTOM of the “UK Other Top Stories” section.

    I have asked them to put it up as a Have Your Say. You never know.

    Great narratives, btw.


  34. JohnA says:

    To be fair – Martha Kearney interviewed Wilders on News at 1 today. But also had Lord Ahmed butting in. Ahmed’s line was that he had received death threats. But they were surely caused by his own threat to mobilise 10,000 (or many more ?) angry Muslims outside Parliament. Ahmed is the incendiary one.

    Banning Wilders is just another reason for this rotten Home Sec to resign. I expect Wilders will fly into Heathrow.

    At least some of this fight is opening up in the House of Lords. Evidently Fitna will be screened there this afternoon, so people can see what it REALLY says. Wilder’s argument is that it is against all the violence and domination in Islam, in the Koran. It is NOT against moderate Muslims.


  35. George R says:


    “Defiant Wilders to travel to Britain despite ban”


    He said he intends to fly in to London tomorrow.

    Lord Pearson of Rannoch said that he intends to show the Wilders’ film ‘Fitna’ in the House of Lords tomorrow afternoon, whether the Labour government allows Geert Wilders into Britain, or not.

    True to form, BBC radio had Labour Lord Ahmed on ‘World at One’ today, and, of course, he was not asked about the threat of 10,000 Muslims demonstrating at Parliament.



  36. Cockney says:

    Tomorrow afternoon is a working day. Surely nobody could get 10k protestors together at that short notice could they, especially in a credit crunch when everyone is watching their jobs?


  37. Dr Michael Jones says:

    Sue, they were slow. Very slow. And biased.


  38. oliver says:

    “True to form, BBC radio had Labour Lord Ahmed on ‘World at One’ today, and, of course, he was not asked about the threat of 10,000 Muslims demonstrating at Parliament.”

    Absolutely. Nor was the soon-to-be-hopefully-incarcerated-for-texting while-driving Lord Ahmed asked to justify asking the extremist anti-semite “Israel Shamir” to the HoL – or about asking Hizb ut Tahrir, Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Muhajiroun.

    All Ahmed could do was talk about the emails he received. Obviously this was nothing to do with Wilders – otherwise we could be blaming the BBC and the Guardian for the views expressed on Have Your Say and Commentisfree…


  39. frankos says:

    We all have freedom of speech in this great country of ours, just some have greater freedom than others.
    I think the government fears real debate on the immigration issue, and will pander to all and every minority, but ignore the English one especially ones in Labour areas.
    The true identity of England has now disappeared without anyones consent. We have allowed the media to brainwash us into thinking that desiring an English cultural identity (I’m not talking skin colour) is an inherently biased concept, and that multicultualism is the only option as a future.
    Other cultures here and abroad are allowed to exist in isolation without criticism, but not Englishness.
    The French would never stand for this ruination of their identity by the national press!!


  40. unethical_cleansing says:

    Tomorrow afternoon is a working day. Surely nobody could get 10k protestors together at that short notice could they, especially in a credit crunch when everyone is watching their jobs?
    Cockney | 11.02.09 – 2:23 pm | #


    There must 20,000+ unemployed muslims living near me in the Middleton/Oldham area alone which are prepared to use violence… sorry peace outside Parliament.

    Remember the race riots of 2001?


  41. David Preiser (USA) says:

    One side openly speaks of hatred with hints of violence, the other only makes criticisms of a group he doesn’t like, and asks for dialogue. The “threat to public order” Lord Ahmed speaks of won’t be people attacking Muslims. The BBC knows this, yet reports the lie anyway. More double standards.

    The World Service Beeboid tried to spin the Home Office decision as being cautious against the rise of the “Far Right”, due to the current economic struggles. What a load of garbage. The BBC knows perfectly well that any violence that happens if Wilders is allowed into the UK will be done by Muslims. But will they ever allow someone to suggest that, or will they continue to pretend that there’s some danger of Wilders inciting violence against Muslims? Will the BBC get around to mentioning that he didn’t exactly incite violence against Muslims in his own country? No, better to defend the Home Office.

    The charge of submission to Islamo-fascism is hard to dodge unless they do something big. Time for another Dhimmi Series, I guess.


  42. James says:

    @ Cockney 12.42pm

    Agreed. The hair is ridiculous. I’m trying to think of who he looks like…maybe one of Siegfried and Roy?

    I’m sure he would tame the Redditch tiger, fnarr fnarr!!!!


  43. Tom says:

    James | 11.02.09 – 4:02 pm

    He looks like a barrister who’s walked out of the court forgetting to take his wig off.


  44. Sue says:

    Fitna is about extreme Islamic fundamentalism. It juxtaposes Jihadi rants with Jihadi acts.

    Even if the government, as well as people like you and me, are inclined to regard the film as a condemnation of all Muslims, that’s not exactly what Mr. Wilders’s film is doing.

    He has shown Islamic extremists inciting acts of violence and hatred in the name of Allah, and merely placed them alongside footage of those horrific acts when they become reality.

    If there are any moderate Muslims out there shouldn’t they be speaking out loud and clear against such extremism and acts of violence rather than trying to enforce a ban on Geert Wilders ?

    As for complaints that B-BBC topics are about our favourite hobby horses and not about BBC bias, in my opinion this particular topic is intrinsically related to BBC bias. The pernicious, cumulative and long-standing influence the BBC has had against Israel and Jews, as well as its promotion of the myths that Islam is the RoP, and that violence is Un-Islamic, means this subject is never irrelevant.


  45. David Preiser (USA) says:

    frankos | 11.02.09 – 3:34 pm |

    I think the government fears real debate on the immigration issue, and will pander to all and every minority, but ignore the English one especially ones in Labour areas.

    The government, like the BBC, fears violence from Muslims. The multi-culti fascists forced all tolerance in one direction, refusing to be proactive in enabling integration, allowing – even calling for the public’s respect of – balkanization.

    It’s this kind of idiocy that leads to rises in BNP sympathy, not Geert Wilders’ film. As many have said here before, the BBC isn’t building that huge barrier out front to protect themselves against a car bomb driven by an angry white Anglican, or somebody pissed off at yet another stupid thing Jeremy Clarkson said.

    But the BBC can’t say that because it would be critical of Muslims. They will not work for Social Cohesion – as required by the Charter – when it comes to one group. Why?


  46. Grant says:

    Democracy and Freedom RIP


  47. anton says:

    Here is an interview with Lord Malcolm Pearson on Dutch TV today:



  48. dave t says:

    Labour peer Lord Ahmed, who expressed his concerns to the Parliamentary authorities about Mr Wilders’ visit, said he welcomed the decision to ban the MP.

    “It would be unwise to have him in the UK because this man’s presence would cause hatred,” he said.

    Expressed his concerns? Such weasel words from a mealy mouthed BBC. The disgusting arrogant man who killed another whilst texting and driving threatened THIS parliament and the House of which he is supposed to be a member with 10,000 Muslims attacking the House? Oh for God’s sake! I presume he’ll threaten 10,000 Muslims outside the court if he is jailed in the near future. And the aptly named Ed Balls fears that the Far Right will get stronger? Of course they will you clown and it is all your fault!


  49. dmatr says:

    Still waiting for The World at One news programme to be made available on iplayer:


    Commenter “ami” at Harry’s Place describes the Lord Pearson and Lord Ahmed section:

    Lord Pearson announced the film will be shown tomorrow at parliament with or without Wilders. He listed a number of speakers who will then debate the issues. At this point Ahmed lost it. None of them are Muslims, he yelled, they probably all hate Muslims! Pearson said Ahmed was very welcome to come and debate- this was freedom of speech.
    The presenter closed the item over the sound of Ahmed yelling, What about my freedom of speech.

    Great stuff. I’d like to hear it.