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  1. cassandra says:
    May 7, 2009 at 8:20 am

    The beeboid socialist collective toady show reports on the difference between France and the UK when it comes to the integration of muslims into the host society, the gallup poll brings up heartbreaking conclusions that the UK is nurturing a masive islolated hostile colony of closed minded anti modern religious bigots who hate and attack our society yet feed off it like parasites.
    The toady comrades skated over this and invited two muslims to comment, no native dissent was thought necessary, the narrative about ‘integration’ was simple and sickening, change the meaning of integration from actually integrating into the host culture to forcing the host culture to integrate into and accept the foreign hostile and backward culture.
    The French choose real integration of course BUT guess which version our hostile colonists and their useful idiot collaborators choose for the UK?

    Never mind what the native inhabitants think eh?

    The upshot is that the mainstream political establishment are actively helping and encouraging a mass wave of enforced immigration into our land of an openly hostile and alien culture which will never integrate and wishes to smother and destroy our native culture by means of numbers and they are winning.
    With government assistance they are setting up a separate religious based state taking over bigger and bigger areas of our homeland and every year their numbers are growing at a truly frightening rate.
    The three main parties are very happy to see this continue unchecked, they are on the verge of giving these hostile colonists their own laws, yet they continue to appease and assist the muslim colonists, where will it end, when the muslim population grows to ten percent plus?
    There is only one party who will end this mass hostile colonisation of our land and guess what? oh yeah, they are demonized,ignored and demeaned at every turn, just as the established parties are doing to native British people who dare to raise genuine concerns.

    The gallup poll is warning us all of a future of civil war/terrorism/Balkanised strife with a hostile and alien culture out to destroy us, I pity our children they will have to deal with the terrible consequences of our collective cowardice now.

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  2. Mailman says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:11 am

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8036054.stm

    Interesting that the item doesnt carry any claims by Israel that Hamas operatives accompanied the UN investigation team at all times, with the resulting lack of witnesses willing to openly talk about what was going on.

    No, instead it paints a picture of a guilty Israel through and through.

    Although interesting that Al Beeb has altered its claims around casualties slightly, only mentioning that “many” civilians were killed in the quoted 1400 casualties. How many are many and why no mention of Hamas casualties?

    Mailman

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  3. Mailman says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Cass,

    The difference between France and Britain is that France values the identity of the state above the identity of the individual.

    Whereas here in Blighty the state values the identity of the ethnic minority over the identity of the ethnic majority.

    This means that France enforces its state values everywhere. You are french first, then cathar or muslim or martian etc.

    This of course has lead to clashes in the past, especially with groups who have opposite views (Muslims) BUT still on the whole, you are French before you are Muslim.

    Mailman

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  4. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:19 am

    David Vance 11:20
    You are surely not implying……

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  5. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:30 am

    A few comments on the new website :-

    1. The overall numbers of postings seems to have declined.

    2. The number of postings by “anonymous” seems to have increased.

    3. At the end of each posting, it seems to give the time , but not the date.

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  6. Anonymous says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Re Grant @ 10:30am:-

    There’s nothing wrong with Anonymous postings, as such. After all, one never knows which branch of government or the BBC is listening in and taking down names. Best to be on the safe side.

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  7. sue says:
    May 7, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Dear Anonymous,
    just call yourself a name, any name*
    There are too many of you.

    * As long as it’s not anyone else’s or their ghost.

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  8. Anonymous says:
    May 7, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Grant said… “A few comments on the new website” – 1. The overall numbers of postings seems to have declined:

    Could it be because the site is now just to much
    hassle taking to long to load each page compared to the old format
    Making a comment is now an endurance test

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  9. Martin says:
    May 7, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Derek Draper has had 2 easy interviews on the BBC. One from Vicky Pollard on 5 lite and one from some camp male on BBC news 24.

    I 5 year old could have made Draper squirm more.

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  10. Gerald Brown says:
    May 7, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Interesting interview by Mr Stourton on the Toady programme coming up to the 7 o,clock news with someone on the “Tamil situation”. When the interviewee started calling the Tamils the “T” word Mr Stourton was straight in with they are rebels not terrorists to which the interviewee retorted when you terrorise your own people into not leaving / being human shields that counts as terrorists.

    Only a small thing I know but it does show how following Biased BBC can “sensitise” oneself to the subtlety of BBC bias.

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  11. JohnA says:
    May 7, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Mailman

    There is a guy who (in his own time) is dissecting all the casualty lists in Gaza. Time after time he is showing that people listed as “civilian” are Hamas people. He takes names from the lists, Googles them, (he can read Arabic) and time after time is finding that they have photos online of themselves with rockets and AK47s etc, and other stuff suggesting that they were combatants, not civilians.

    True Gaza death statistics………………

    Meanwhile this looks like Obama hoist by his own petard – he used to criticise Bush for the bombing of villages in Afghanistan :

    Obama hypocrisy

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  12. JohnA says:
    May 7, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Gerald Brown

    I have commented in today’s open thread on that incident – Stourton was such a total prat this morning. The whole drift of the conversation was showing how vile the Tigers are to their own people – but Neddy had to jump in to gove the PC-BBC objection to the entirely proper use of the T word.

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  13. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Anonymous 10:41
    You don’t have to post under your own name, I don’t. But a unique name distinguishes you from other people posting under anonymous. Like the post below you. Maybe that is you, maybe not !

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  14. jeffD says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    There is an excellent article in the Daily Mail today by Christopher Hart about Bono,with the heading ‘Why is the bbc so in love with this dreadful old hypocrite?’
    It seems that next week the bbc are broadcasting Bono reciting his latest (850 line)poem entitled ‘Elvis:American David’.What caught my eye was the fact that this ‘masterpiece’contains the phrases’Elvis the white nigger’and ‘Elvis,the elastic with a spastic dance’.Strange that the beeb are allowing this after the swift removal of Carol Thatcher for using the word ‘golliwog’ in a private conversation!

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  15. Gerald Brown says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    John A

    I did intend to comment around 8 a.m. but waited until later as it is confusing now that open threads have a day in the heading and I was waiting to see if there was a “Thursday” open thread.

    DV – please be consistent. Remove day from open thread or put one up every day. It keeps the chance to keep comments relevant to the topic without a topic becoming the latest open thread and select where one is going to visit.

    The inability to maximise with Internet Explorer is becoming very tiresome. Please someone techy advise a solution other than change browser – not always o.k. at work!

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  16. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Gerald 12:49
    Your last point is right.
    I have noticed so many bits of bias on the BBC since following this website.
    A lot of it is very subtle, almost subliminal. They lead the unsuspecting by the nose to follow their political views.
    The BBC really is pernicious, the pits and they are sinking lower every day.

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  17. JohnA says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    I am finding that I cannot post links.

    Also – if I hit on someone else’s link – it often does not work. Or if it does, it closes the comments box I was looking at, I have to go trawling back for where I was up to.

    Plus the inability to enlarge the box, plus the hassle of signing in and word-identification, plus the lack of the “unread posts” number – scope for lots of waste of time and attention.

    ……………

    I have not yet seen how one can access the archives – years’ worth of info and comments and links. Hopefully something will emerge.

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  18. sue says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Massive upheavals and job losses on telly. BBC news is to cut almost 90 jobs.ITV is forced to dumb down even more because of the downturn in advertising revenue.Looks like we’ll be on our own (in the blogosphere) in no time!
    And redundant, of course.

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  19. JohnA says:
    May 7, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    sue

    Your link to the Guardian about BBC job cuts has some interesting comments from fed-up BBC journalists – suggesting huge waste in the BBC’s news empire, and totally excessive management.

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  20. Martin says:
    May 7, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Looking at the BBC questiontime panel why is it that only the two ‘right wing’ panelists are identified as being ‘right wing?’

    None of the lefties are identified as being on the left or left of centre.?

    Why might that be?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8035567.stm

    I hope Nadine shows more balls than Pickles and the other hopeless ones we’ve had on over the last few weeks.

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  21. Tom says:
    May 7, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Bias test:

    There are three big political stories running today in connection with the Abrahams party funding scandal:

    * Labour’s former general secretary denounces the Labour Party political leaders for abandoning him.

    * 3 former Labour party bosses will not face prosecution says CPS.

    * Labour are YET TO REPAY a penny of the Abrahams money despite a Cabinet minister having told the nation last year it had ALREADY been repaid.

    Guess which of these stories – one, good news for Labour; 2, bad news for Labour – is being bigged up on the Politics page of the BBC website? Guess which is relegated to a sidebar? And guess which doesn’t even have a page of its own at all, but is smuggled in halfway through a related story?

    Now guess which Guido is leading on…..

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  22. dave s says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Did anyone watch Crick tiptoeing around the BNP last night? At least it was an attempt, a poor attempt, to cover an issue that will become increasingly hard for the MSM to ignore.
    The main thrust of his argument is that the BNP is a far right party.
    It looks pretty much old style socialist to me but then I don’t have the BBC mindset.
    He tried very hard to make the accusation of racism his prime question to Joe public but with a noticeable lack of success.
    This is just typical of the way the BBC ,by appearing to cover an issue, tries to bury it in cliches.
    It is really just poor journalism rather than bias but then I suppose unbiased serious journalists by definition never get employed by the BBC.

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  23. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Dare I say I am nostalgic for the old website. I hope David Vance and the computer whizz kids can sort out the teething troubles here.

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  24. David Preiser says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Lots of Beeboids love the Huffington Post. We’ve seen Justin Webb and Matt Frei take their “inspiration” from it, and it’s pretty clear that plenty of people at the BBC follow it regularly. It seemed like one of them referenced the HuffPo every day during the last weeks of the US election.

    It looks like the HuffPo is now in bed with LabourList. Isn’t that special? That should raise a lot of doubts about their credibility. Yet, I bet the Beeboids who follow the US scene will still read the HuffPo religiously and still hold it in the highest regard.

    This is probably the first page they check every day.

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  25. Martin says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    McSnot really is an incompetent twat. Sky News now Gurkhas and Lumley giving the Governmetna right kicking.

    Prick Robinson just made a twat of himself by sticking up for McSnot.

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  26. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Martin,
    I think Jo is clever than McSnot.
    She had a meeting with him when I bet he made promises which he will renege on.
    I guess she knows this, hence the ” I trust Brown ” comment.
    McSnot just continues to dig himself into a hole.
    Jo Lumley for PM !!

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  27. Grant says:
    May 7, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    cleverer !

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  28. David Preiser says:
    May 7, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Martin,

    So the Government is being forced to look at the test cases again, and Woolas says nobody is going to be deported, but it’s “the next stage of reform…,” as if it’s all part of the plan. As if Mr. Brown’s crew is just working their way towards getting it right eventually, and will come out on top.

    Lumley and Co. should just tell the Governmnet that they’re all students. They’ll have to get a shovel to handle all the student visas dumped on them. They gave out more of those to Pakistanis in the last four years than there are Gurkhas on the entire planet.

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  29. TPO says:
    May 7, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    JeffD
    Further to your comments about the BBC and Boneo.

    Here’s another line from his “poem”
    ‘Elvis, here come the killer bees, Head full of honey, potato chips and cheese.’Move over Wordsworth & Shelley.

    Further down in the article comes this:
    Journalist Marina Hyde recently referred to Bono’s use of tax loopholes on Radio 4’s Start The Week, only for presenter Andrew Marr to immediately start harrumphing and casting doubt on the perfectly verifiable facts. And when the programme was repeated, Hyde’s remarks were cut entirely.And at the bottom.
    All the same, inspired by the example of Elvis: American David, I have written my own poem, called ‘Bono: Irish Twit’, set to an ‘atmospheric soundscape’ of chanting leprechauns. I wonder if the BBC would be interested?

    ‘Bono in your sunglasses, even when it rains, Bono in your private jet while the rest of us take trains, Bono with your tax affairs safely overseas, Bono, oh will you shut up, please.’
    The craven reverence with which the BBC has taken to treating the ludicrous Bono is almost beyond a joke – but not quite. Let licence fee-payers everywhere keep laughing – while we still can    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1178165/CHRISTOPHER-HART-Why-BBC-love-Bono-hes-dreadful-old-hypocrite.html

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  30. TPO says:
    May 7, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Well what are we to make of this BBC reporting:

    A white Kenyan aristocrat has been cleared of murder but found guilty of the manslaughter of a black poacher ….Glad they clarified that he was white.I’d never have guessed looking at his photograph.
    And then we have this ficticious nonsense.

    …lingering animosity against some in the white farming community, who are accused of living on large areas of land, illegally grabbed early last century, our correspondent saysBBC: racist when it suits and reiterating unsubstantiated falsehoods yet again.

    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8037430.stm

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  31. TPO says:
    May 7, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Got to say I agree with Grant that I’m getting nostalgic for the old blog.
    The comments section on the new one seems to have a mind of its own.

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  32. Martin says:
    May 7, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Listening to toenails Robinson on the BBC and Jon Craig on Sky News and you could be forgiven for thinking that they were not at the same meeting.

    Robinson really is a joke.

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  33. John Horne Tooke says:
    May 7, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Gerald Brown

    It was also surprising that the politician who had just returned from Sri Lanka was a Lib Dem.

    It’s funny how the politicians can see the tactic of the Tamil Tigers using human shields – yet when the Palestinians do exactly the same thing they ignore it.

    On the issue of Joanna Lumley and her “cause” – I really do not like the way that one celebrity can yield so much power without anyone voting for them. I happen to agree with this celebrity, but the point is they are used for all kinds of propaganda by a lot of anti-democratic “NGOs” and the like. People who back causes just because they are fronted by an actress can easily be deluded. If these celebrities want to use their positions to further their cause then they should stand for election. That is what democracy is all about.

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  34. Hugh Oxford says:
    May 7, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    I wonder if the seven men convicted today of the most atrocious sexual abuse of children in the Edinburgh High Court had done something positive, the BBC would have seen fit to mention the fact that they’re all homosexuals.

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  35. Martin says:
    May 7, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    I think that the problem is the vast majority of our politicians are kept in line by the party whip system. They know that to go against the party whip can lead to de-selection or a life on the back benches.

    I take your point about celebs wielding power, we see this all the time from tosspots like Nob Gandalf and Bozo etc.

    Our political system is corrupt and failed. Most politicians don’t give a toss about the people, just thier career at WEstminster.

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  36. Anonymous says:
    May 7, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    I can only think that the 6pm news about the Gurkhas came directly from the bunker – started with Joanna Lummly – ‘the former model’ – as though she was a blonde bimbo follwed by the suggestion that she was just a celebrity wealding too much power – the venom was unbelievable.

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  37. David Preiser says:
    May 7, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    John Horne Tooke @ 6:39pm

    On the issue of Joanna Lumley and her “cause” – I really do not like the way that one celebrity can yield so much power without anyone voting for them. I happen to agree with this celebrity, but the point is they are used for all kinds of propaganda by a lot of anti-democratic “NGOs” and the like.

    Yes, and the BBC uses lots of celebrities to promote lots of causes, or at least gives them loads of air time to advocate. Only when it conflicts with Labour leadership is it suddenly a problem.

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  38. cassandra says:
    May 7, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    David P,

    Spot on my friend!

    Ignorant ranting bullies like Geldof and the two faced publicity seeking tax cheat bonio, UN smiley faces desperate to boost flagging careers and other assorted fruitcakes get the full on primetime treatment IF they happen to peddle the BBC approved narrative.

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  39. JohnA says:
    May 8, 2009 at 1:39 am

    David Preiser

    Joanna Lumley is not a “professional celeb” in the way that people like Bono are. She just happens to be known fondly by several generations over here. And deeply committed to the Ghurka cause because those guys saved her Dad’s life. A REAL connection.

    Plus, she has been showing more political nous than Brown’s entire Cabinet. She has been a class act, obviously furious with a true cause.

    Hell hath no fury…. If Brown does not come across (with or without sacking the dumb Phil Woolas) the whole thing will get even more sticky. There is overwhelming public support for the Ghurka cause – in part because peopel are fed up with unlimited immigration by other sorts who actually hate us.

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  40. David Preiser says:
    May 8, 2009 at 2:49 am

    JohnA,

    I don’t begrudge Joanna Lumley her personal commitment to the Gurkha cause. I certainly don’t agree with the position of a Government which gave out more student visas to Pakistanis in the last four years than there are Gurkhas alive on the planet. I mean, Mr. Brown and his minions had to get publicly smacked around by somebody most famous for making a self-centered, drug-snorting, boozing whore seem amusing before they’d consider finding room for a comparatively small amount of Nepalese immigrants. Immigrants, I don’t need to remind anyone, who have actually served the country, while some of those Pakistanis whom they happily let in are trying to blow it up. I’m still waiting for an astute BBC analyst to point out either of those disparities.

    In any case, I don’t like the idea that anyone can influence the public simply because they’re famous, but my point was that this seemed to be a curiously rare instance where the BBC was snorting at somebody taking advantage of their celebrity status to get publicity and influence for a cause.

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  41. The Cattle Prod of Destiny says:
    May 8, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Joanna Lumney has almost certainly removed herself from the BBC guest list and will no doubt never work for them again. In fact she will be lucky if she doesn’t get the ‘Hughie Green Treatment’ and spend the rest of her days been villified on ‘comedy’ shows.

    She needs to be very careful in future – no solo walks in the countryside for example …

    Incidently, this new comments system is pants.

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  42. Mailman says:
    May 8, 2009 at 11:15 am

    I doubt Joanna will get the “Hughie Green” treatment simply because the cause she is behind is so popular.

    Mailman

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  43. The Cattle Prod of Destiny says:
    May 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Give it time and that aspect of her opposition will be pushed into the background.

    Tonight’s HIGNFY should be interesting as she fulfills two things they don’t don’t like on that programme, the first is being female.

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