Did anyone else read Nick Cohen’s disturbing piece about whistleblower Derek Pasquill. He is bringing a case of unfair dismissal (hopeless) against the FCO.
It isn’t true to say that the BBC hasn’t reported this subject, they have. But they focus on the ethics of whistleblowing itself rather than what was ‘blown.’
Things more scandalous than several duck houses and home-flippings put together.
Putting aside the fact that many people are skeptical about whether there can be truly moderate Muslims, if there really are, it would undoubtedly be a good thing. After all, Muslims have fitted into U.S. society without all the difficulties we have here.
Our government recognises the necessity of befriending the Muslims it deliberately brought here. But rather than encouraging and supporting moderates they have chosen to appease and support the likes of the extreme MCB.
It seems Jack “I-come-from-immigrants” Straw was complicit in all this. Sitting there on the QT panel telling us all about that, he looked half deflated; likely to shrivel up altogether at any moment.
Hazel Blears was beginning to get it. She made a stand, then she was sacrificed in the expenses row.
Instead of debating the morality of whistleblowing, shouldn’t the BBC be debating the morality of appeasing, funding and fêting extreme Islamists?
“Putting aside the fact that many people are skeptical about whether there can be truly moderate Muslims, if there really are,”
seriously? Haven’t you heard of british muslims for secular democracy? ‘laugh at those who insult freedom..they are very silly’ and all that…also people like james khan off dragon’s den, and the bloke across the road who gives us sweets at ramadan
…though I admit I do check them for very small explosives
Tarquin, some would say these people are not ‘Proper Muslims.’
So what do you think of the content of Pasquill’s exposé? Not bothered? Or are you only interested in pointing out my shortcomings.
And, your put-down about sweets and explosives is very smug.
But ‘seriously’ haven’t you heard that Inayat Bunglawala is now pretending to be a moderate? By distancing himself from al-Muhajiroun!
Anyway handing out sweets is a tricky one. It’s traditionaly done to celebrate terrorist atrocities.
handing out sweets is a tricky one. It’s traditionaly done to celebrate terrorist atrocities.
Knew I was right to refuse to accompany the kids on Trick Or Treat activities
Yes, trick or treat. Spangles, Curly Wurly, Polos, Aniseed Balls, Sherbert Lemons,
Sue,
sweet revenge. Brilliant. Have you notices how constipated and Tarpaulin went quiet.
Silence is golden
Not all of us can be on b-bbc 24 hours a day
I’m not sure what constitutes a ‘proper muslim’ – I know a bunch of people who call themselves christians but don’t do any form of worship – are they ‘proper’ christians? Is there some sort of criteria I should be aware of
Tarquin,
I wouldn’t expect, or even try, to change your mind.
For all I know you may know more about the subject than you’re letting on.
You like to keep us guessing. But so far it seems you haven’t made an in-depth study of Islam, or a cursory one. Your self-confessed ignorance of ‘criteria’ gives the game away.
If you insist on drawing parallels between Islam and Christianity, do you think Muslims and Christians that ‘don’t do any form of worship’ are equivalent?
eh? Why am I the one who needs to define anything? You said there was such a thing as a ‘proper muslim’ – so those moderates (that may or may not exist…) aren’t really followers of Islam, which is a religion, just like christianity and can be interpreted in many ways, just like christianity, and to varying degrees of bigotry, just like etc etc…
You prefer to concetrate on the small minority of heretics within the islamofascist ranks, those people should be encouraged and assured that they can remain in the UK however the majority of of hostile islamic colonists should be informed that their nasty ideology is not welcome here, their warped ideals are not welcome.
Those hostile islamist colonists who refuse to adapt to our way of life and refuse to integrate should be left in no doubt whatsoever that their time in the UK is finite.
The UK simply cannot afford to host several hundred thousand islamist agitators, our island is too small to accomodate a seperate and hostile mass of people.
British Muslims for Secular Democracy: the ‘moderate’ Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is one of its leaders so, if that’s moderate, God help us all.
yasmin is actually pretty moderate, though 🙂
After all, Muslims have fitted into U.S. society without all the difficulties we have here.
Like these moderates?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570146,00.html?test=latestnews
I still want to know what sort of people follow a religion that had as its leader a man who married and raped an 8 year old girl.
I believe that Islam is a very wicked ideology. However, while there are a lot of Moslems who use Islam to vindicate their own evil intentions, there are far more Moslems who actually want to be good people. Mohammedans are very much mistaken in their beliefs but aren’t necessarily extreme in any sense.
If by ‘moderate’ you mean those Muslims who want to practise their faith and beliefs but still enjoy living in a Western society with the freedoms and higher standard of living afforded by it, I’m sure there are many.
However when that society appeases the more extremist elements, then it is unlikely that the moderates will ‘stick their necks out’. Especially as they are more likely to be targeted first. Chances are they will see their future ‘riding the wave’ as offering greater personal security. While they may prefer a secular surrounding to pursue their moderate inclinations, and may see Sharia as undesirable, but still a better alternative to ‘ personal martyrdom.
Tarquin, thanks for informing me about ‘british muslims for secular democracy’
I visited their site and read their objectives, one of which is to combat ‘Islamophobia and prejudice agains Muslims.’
It really does have a very Mohammedan ring to it doesn’t it? Allah forbid that the Moslems ought to change their own attitudes rather than bleat on about Islamophobia.
I will never understand how people can flee their homeland because of persecution and then try to set up the same thing here that they supposedly, fled from.
There is one obvious explanation…
“If by ‘moderate’ you mean those Muslims who want to practise their faith and beliefs but still enjoy living in a Western society with the freedoms and higher standard of living afforded by it, I’m sure there are many. “
Is it not yet self-evident that islam is incompatible with freedoms and higher living standards? Islam is not just anti-liberty: it is also anti-learning and and anti-science.
The original point of this thread was (supposed to be) about the whistleblower who exposed the disturbing fact that the government is allowing radicals to influence policy. My point was that the BBC should have examined that instead of concentrating on whether or not whistleblowing was acceptable.
Nothing wrong with threads going off at a tangent, but this disturbing development brought me back sharpish.
Azad Ali has been appointed to the CPS’s ‘community involvement panel”
See Harry’s Place. Nothing so far on the BBC – only an interview from July 2005. Azad Ali’s video interview hardly inspires confidence.
The British liberal/left establishment haven’t got a clue regarding Islam, or are so paraylsed by matters of politiclal correctness and race, to the extent that it cost lives.
And all the while, well-intentioned public bodies were throwing money at the Iqra gang, whose projects included a school, a youth access venue and a gym. Grants totalling hundreds of thousands of pounds were made by the regional development agency Yorkshire Forward and the local council, churches and charities. (From The Times here).
Two trustees of Iqra went on to take part in the 7/7 bombing.
I hope everyone who is interested in this subject will read this, and this if they haven’t already done so.
The Islamic threat we face is of a totally different order of magnitude to any other we have faced. It is a civilisational threat of a magnitude greater then the one we faced from the Nazis. On the brutality level Islamists would be just as brutal as the Nazis. But the Nazis would still retain most of the features of western civilisation, for the simple reason that the music they love would be the same as ours. Islam OTH would shut down all art, literature and music.
The dichotomy of moderate to radical Muslims is meaningless – it is the total number of Muslims here that defines the demands for sharia. As far as Muslims are concerned, the only way to preserve England as a historic and cultural identity, is to stop all Muslim immigration as a first step.
Islam is what Islam is, and we have a first priority to save our civilisation from the wound inflicted on it, by those we put our trust in (Labour party).
Our customs will never be tolerated in Muslim countries -in fact no other customs but Islamic ones are allowed in Muslim countries. Fortunately Muslims in Britain or Europe, have 50 other countries to go to where their particular customs are acceptable – we OTH have no such reciprocal luxury.
Its truly a catastrophe that our politicians have led us toward.