133 Responses to OPEN THREAD…

  1. John Horne Tooke says:

    The BBC don’t seem to report all the facts here.  
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11718414  
     
    I had never heard of the chap. He died of misadventure the coroner said. So what were the circumstances?  
     
    He was born in Torquay. His agent said he was a lovely guy. Thats it.  
     
    Oh now I know.  

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2010/11/09/tv-presenter-kristian-digby-died-after-solo-sex-game-accident-inquest-rules-86908-22703467/

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  2. John Horne Tooke says:

    Great piece here by David Whitehouse – a proper scientist who used to work for the BBC
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/09/david-whitehouse-the-climate-coincidence-why-is-the-temperature-unchanging/#more-27622

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    • Martin says:

      Why does the BBC needs scientists to research and investigate climate change when they can have three useless twats to do it with not a science qualification between them.

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  3. John Horne Tooke says:

    The BBC on train overcrowding.

    Now why did they chose that photo?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11676437

    Is it because of the “ethnic mix”?

    Funny how it also appears here

    http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10036489

    With the caption

    “Slik så det ut på jernbanestasjonen Gare du Nord i Paris i dag morges.”

    And also here:

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8007525/france-gears-up-for-day-of-protest

    With the caption

    “French unions have staged mass strikes to protest against plans to hike the retirement age to 62.”

    And also here
    http://www.telegraf.lv/news/franciya-paralizovana

    With the caption (roughley translated).
    “Today in France begins nationwide strike of transport and workers mail.”

    So is the picture about train overcrowding or people trying to get onto a limited train service in France during the recent massive walk outs?

    Oh and it also turns up here.

    http://www.internethaber.com/fransada-grev-hayati-sekteye-ugratiyor-295019h.htm

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  4. George R says:

    DG Thompson stars in sequel BBC-NUJ farce:


    “Mark Thompson addresses BBC stars over pension and strikes”

    Who paid for the Beeboids’ drinks? We licencepayers?

    Receipts needed as proof.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/09/mark-thompson-addresses-bbc-stars

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  5. Martin says:

    Hmm, just see Prick on Newsnight spinning for Woolas. Not a mention of Woolas being found to have deliberately LIED about his Lib Dem opponent, not a mention.

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  6. Marky says:

    On a more festive note.

    BBC PLEDGES MOST UTTERLY HELLISH EASTENDERS CHRISTMAS EVER

    THIS year’s Eastenders Christmas will set new standards in unbearably hellish festive grimness, the BBC has promised.

    The high definition broadcast of the long-running suicide note will depict every hate-filled grimace in stunning detail as the show climaxes the current storyline about a shouty man having sex with a shouty woman, much to the annoyance of another shouty person or persons.

    Executive producer Roy Hobbs said: “Viewers will be transported into a shitbubble of unremitting misery and disappointment populated by vile, desperate scum. For Christmas!

    “We did consider filming the show in 3D, but we suspected people might draw the line at a sweaty, grunting Phil Mitchell lurching out of their television sets like a crack-addicted haemorrhoid before appearing to vomit all over their tin of Quality Street.”

    The entire Eastenders set has had to be revamped in order to withstand the scrutiny of high-definition filming, including the addition of two dozen fried chicken shops and an avalanche of foul-mouthed racist graffiti.

    The realism of the show will also be enhanced with the Christmas plot seeing two thirds of the current characters being horribly killed and replaced with a load of actors who used to be in Holby City.

    Meanwhile the BBC has confirmed plans to increase its hi-def output but pledged that viewers will be warned before they are confronted with a pin-sharp image of Bruce Forsyth’s face.

    A BBC spokesman said: “It looks a bit like Leslie Philips’ nutsack wearing a steamrollered pigeon.”

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/bbc-pledges-most-utterly-hellish-eastenders-christmas-ever-201010223186/

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  7. Guest Who says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8120142/Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-in-Pakistan-for-blasphemy.html

    Maybe she should take up cricket… quick.

    Then Aunty and her drones might notice. 

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  8. Guest Who says:

    With Nick Robinson following the BBC ‘but what about them Yumin rights?’ focus (now safely back from the Olypmics, etc) to distract from all else, and reporting top of the hour via what looked like his hotel room door peep hole, Aunty’s ‘thrust’ is getting noticed:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100008559/china-is-too-busy-trying-to-get-rich-to-bother-with-human-rights/

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  9. George R says:

    Obama-Cameron-INBBC all cosy up to support Islamic Turkey’s entry into E.U.

    Already, INBBC’s ‘Today’ has had on this week Labour’s Straw (of the Islamising constituency of Blackburn) to have uncontested propaganda spot to campaign  for Turkey’s entry.

    Opposition arguments to Turkey’s entry, like these, are relegated:

    1.)
    Turkish Interference in German Politics

     (video clip)

    2.)
    Turkey in Europe: A Bridge Too Far

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  10. kitty shaw says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11724378

    Note “attacks”, not who does the attacking.

    “A series of attacks”, OK by who?

    “Days after people died”, did you get that died, not killed, not murdered.

    “The violence”, whose?

    Jim Muir’s 4 paragraphs, it was “militants” in his only mention of the perpetrators.

    And it turns out the Christians fault after all some Coptic Christians are holding some converts to Islam in Egypt.

    Except what the bBC fails to mention is that it isn’t true.

    What’s more if a muslim converted to Christianity in Iraq they would be murdered, strangely unmentioned by the bBC.

    The word Christian is mentioned 14 times. The word muslim is mentioned once, referring to the ‘valiant muslim security guard’ who died ‘defending’ the Christians. 

    bBC ‘newspeak’ is an outrage.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Laura Kuenssberg must have been watching an entirely different clip of Clegg debating the rise in tuition fees in Parliament than I saw.  Just now she described and exchange between him and Harriet Harman as being a poor show for him, and claimed that his colleagues sitting behind him looked like they weren’t happy.

    The clip the BBC showed immediately after Laura’s statement ended with Clegg scoring a solid point and smiles all around behind him.  She personally must not have approved of the Coalition’s policy, and so wasn’t in the mood to perceive anything positive from Clegg.  Her description of the proceedings was the exact opposite of the video clip shown.

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  12. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Laura Kuenssberg now giving commentary on helicopter footage of students smashing windows of the builidng in which Tory HQ is located.  No condemnation of violence when it comes from someone who holds approved thoughts.  All perfectly understandable.

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  13. David Preiser (USA) says:

    I love how all these student protesters the BBC finds aren’t personally going to become doctors or lawyers, but their only defense for keeping free education is, “Who is going to become the next generation of doctors and lawyers?”

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    • Span Ows says:

      Have you noticed the online headline is “massive”

      Students march against fees rise <img src=”http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49876000/jpg/_49876812_010610463-1.jpg” alt=”Students march past Downing Street”/>

      A massive demonstration is under way in Westminster, with students and lecturers protesting against plans to treble tuition fees and cut university funding in England.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/

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    • Martin says:

      Most of them are just useless drug taking scum. Probably end up at the BBC shagging 9 year old boys in the toilets on Hampstead Heath.

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    • Guest Who says:

      As a Civ. Eng at Kings in the 70s, along with the docs and lawyers we were in at 9 until 5 every day at lectures, etc wall to wall. 

      There was a small arts faculty which, for some odd reason, dominated the student union.

      It was only when they diverted funds from the bar to fund some terrorist outfit somewhere that we all got annoyed enough to cut class and vote the b*ggers out en masse as they tried to rig another election by holding it on the day when their core support eventually dragged themselves in to ‘work’ that week.

      Rather enjoyed this RTtweet doing the rounds:

      OldHoborn RT @BMAstudents: Will be absolute miracle if both iphone and blackbery make it out alive from #demo2010 <<Hard up student?

      Sounds more like an BBC intern.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Actually OldHoborn is a right stirrer, truth be told, but darn funny on occasion. His whole series mocking the climate camp was a joy to behold.

        Looking at the last few hours it’s more ‘nuanced’, but some excellent barbs at those, such as the Labour Party and its PR division who seem to have had collective memory loss as to what has brought the country to this point.

        Plus seems to be stuck on ‘protest’ without any clue as to what to actually do instead.

        IF NOT YOU… THEN WHO?

        Maybe these yooung concerned would just like to stick their problems, plus interest, on the next generation then? Or is that ‘different’?

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          I love the loving approach of most of the Beeboids.  Is the “light touch” method the best way for the police to handle these things?  Yes, as it’s only some windows smashed and a bit of light vandalism, good thing the nasty police haven’t forced violence on the righteous.

          I also love how the BBC is careful to point out that it’s only a few people who are making things look bad for the 50,000 other students demonstrating peacefully.  Whereas a few nutters in the US totally represent millions of people who, by association, are dangerous, violent racists under the surface.

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          My favorite one of his was a whiny “Someone has stolen my All Property Is Theft sign….”

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          • Oliver says:

            @BBCNewsnight: Newsnight wants to talk to leaders of sit in at #millbank tower #ukstudentdemo #demo2010 protest – send direct message to get in touch 

            More intelligent debate to look forward to.

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  14. prpw says:

    Not to be found on the BBC: speech by President Obama shows he doesn’t know the correct mandate of the US Federal Reserve Bank

    http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2010/11/omg-obama-reveals-he-doesnt-know-what.html

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  15. Martin says:

    So Richard Bacon has Andrew Rawnsley on this afternoon. Now you might remember I and others commented on Bacon attacking Rawnsley and Lance Price for their books that accused the one eyed mong of being a violent nutter and bully? Remember how Bacon got really angry as it might hurt Liebour?

    Well now bum boy Bacon is admitting that Rawnsley might have been right.

    Other funny thing was female beeboid talking about UK having highest Cocaine usage in Europe (probably because of the BBC) and then introducing Richard Bacon.

    Hilarious.

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  16. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ-NUS’s Radio 5 continues its jokey anti-Tory, pro-NUS demo rant, courtesy Bacon and anti-Tory guest Carr.

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Just back from visiting my Mum in her care home, having endured the Jeremy Vine show ‘discussion’ about…  care homes.

    Not really bias but simply god-awful media topic rigging for cheap brow-beating of ‘the country’.

    I’m lucky in that Ma is only 10 miles away, so I can pop for a few hours morning and evening. Plus I’m freelance, so I can take the lappy and MiFi and do a fair bit at her bedside.

    Not all can. To spin that into some diatribe about ‘us’ not caring about the aged is a stretch, along with ‘sampling’ care home worker emails saying relatives are just a bunch of vultures waiting to get the inheritance.

    It also poorly differentiated those who are in a home because they can’t cope alone (and what about them?) and those with dementia. It takes a lot of love to visit with a person who no longer responds in the way you’re used to. I don’t ‘blame’ many for not being on the doorstep daily.

    The big irony on top was that today my Mum’s home had a bunch of local schoolkids going round singing carols.

    Hardly the tale of woe that was being presented.

    Vine, your one man sh*t stir for ratings is a travesty.

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  18. Beeboidal says:

    As always, the violence comes from the Left. The BBC is busy spinning that it is only a small minority of troublemakers causing a problem.

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  19. George R says:

    INBBC prefers Hamas-Arabs to Iraq Christians.

    The false ‘history’ put out by INBBC, and people like Mr. Muir is that the constant Islamic jihad murderous treatment of Christians in Iraq can really be blamed on ‘Western imperialism’. Muir censors out Islamic jihad using the euphemism ‘militants’.

    Muir has no understanding of the very long history of persecution of Christians under the 1400 years of Islamic imperialism in the Middle East, including Iraq.

    “Christian areas targeted in Baghdad attacks”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11724378

    This whole area of history analysed in books such as these is censored or relegated by INBBC:

    1.) “Islamic Imperialism” (by Efraim Karsh).


    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4555


    2.) “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam : From Jihad to Dhimmitude : Seventh-Twentieth Century” (by Bat Ye’or)

    ‘Jihadwatch’ today:
    New wave of bombings targets Christians in Iraq — most of world doesn’t notice

    [Opening extract]-

    “Where is the outrage? At the time of this posting (6:23am PST), for example, the headline ‘Palin talks cookies’ is in CNN’s top display block, but not this. It’s that low of a priority.
    “And in the Muslim world: Where is the outrage? One thing we’ve all seen amply demonstrated is Islam’s vigorous intolerance of sacrilege and heretical innovations. So, if we’re to believe this is really a problem, attacks like this should really galvanize them to set their house in order and restore Islam’s vaunted tolerance of other faiths, right? And for that matter, if a set of Danish cartoons so outraged the Muslim world, actual bloodshed like this should really mobilize them to right such a wrong… right?
    “Lastly, Obama spent the last few days going to great lengths to demonstrate his friendly intentions to the Muslim world. The Christians in the Muslim world could use a substantive display of friendship and support as well, as an archbishop below pleads for international help. Where is it?”

    “Christian areas targeted in Baghdad attacks”

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  20. Martin says:

    Bacon making a right twat of himself on Radio 5. Interviewing Rawnsley, Bacon trying to defend Brown’s violent nature.

    Then Bacon attacks Rawnsley for making up conversations between Brown and Bliar, “You couldn’t have known” squeals Bacon. Rawnsley points out that both Brown and Bliar were interviewed for the book. Bacon shuts up.

    This whole thing clearly still annoys Bacon.

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  21. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The more violent this student protest gets, the more whitewash the Beeboids use.  Now one of them is saying that the violence is being done by “anarchists” and not students.  He also said that the students are condemning the violence, and it’s hard to tell who is doing what because of so many people with “different political persuasions” there.  Sure, different persuasions of the Left, but the BBC doesn’t want to point that out.

    Every time a Beeboid asks a student rep what they think about the protest being remembered for the violence more than anything else, it’s just a set-up for a blanket “99% of the protest is peaceful, we condemn violence.”  All the while, that “tiny minority” keeps growing, none of them – apparently – students.

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  22. George R says:

    Of course, many NUS members will have a laugh and a joke in the bars tonight about how they trashed the Conservative Party HQ, uncaring of the threat they posed to the people who work there, casual about the costs of the damge to the building, and basking in the approving words of Bacon and Carr on BBC-NUJ-NUS Radio 5.

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  23. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Haha, the BBC accidentally found a student protest leader who said that he wanted to do more than just another march through the square wtih placards, and readily admitted that violence was an inevitable part of the proceedings after Tim Willcox prodded him.

    So it is students after all, contrary to the spin from every single Beeboid declaring that they weren’t until now.

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  24. dave s says:

    Let them trash central London for all I care. The dump deserves it. Mind you afterwards I would arrest the leaders of the demonstration (students or not) and see they got the long prison sentences they deserve. Then start closing universities.

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  25. Guest Who says:

    From those wonderful folk who brought you ‘Our men in Gaza’ for reporting impartiality… more twittercide from Aunty:

    BBCNewsnight We will cover #ukstudentdemo #demo2010 protest on #newsnight – if you are students in #millbank tower and want to talk message @BBCNewsnight

    One presumes that you get a slot only if you behead a Tory?

    I do find it quaint that they seem to feel that twitter is their own little Enigma system that no one outside the commune can be part of.

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  26. james1070 says:

    Listening to the BBC News, they are trying to spin the violence and vandalism away from the NUS. Everyone they talk to is mysterously sympathetic to the students, even people inside the Millbank Building. The BBC is almost trying to justify violence and vandalism, just because the students are angry.

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  27. George R says:

    “BBC iPlayer available abroad – for a fee”

    [‘Opening extract]:

    “The BBC has announced plans to make its popular iPlayer online video platform available outside UK for a subscription fee – adding fuel to the argument for scrapping , or at least reducing, the TV licence fee.”

    http://www.tvscoop.tv/2010/11/bbc-iplayer-available-abr.html

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  28. kitty shaw says:

    Clegg had no problem as such in PMQs because Harman is so useless.

    But he should have, the British public see through him.

    The LibDems are on 9% and dropping, expect electoral wipeout next May.

    Clegg’s problem was that he was not merely a liar on tuition fees, he made it his number one election plank (even ahead of PR!!) and took so much time out publicising it and getting all the Liberal MPs to sign “contracts” to the effect that there would be no tuition fee rise on his watch, indeed they would be abolished after his term in government.

    That may well have been a wrong assessment. 
    He probably knew it couldn’t be delivered.
    But he and the Liberals did a Woolas on this and got votes under false pretences.

    There is no good argument for it and he will take a hammering.

    I bet he is regretting promising the right to recall MPs as he will unoubtedly be the first.
    Never mind though I am sure he can get Cameron and his Liberal buddies to back down over tha promise too.

    But did the bBC actually give Clegg a hard time over this, no they did not, after all they don’t want to lose the beloved LibDem government.

    Actually the other West Lothian question hasn’t come up much either, why should English students have tuition fees of 9,000 a year and Scottish student nothing? I can’t believe the bBC haven’t gone big on that, but then if they did they might have to address the other West Lothian question so don’t hold your breath.

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    • Martin says:

      The real question is why so many thick people need to go to university in the first place. Half these idiots are totally unemployable except in the public sector and those jobs have gone.

      University should be for the gifted not the gormless.

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  29. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Justin Webb tweeted the other day that people should keep an eye on Mark Kirk, the new Republican Senator from Illinois.  Webb described him as a “moderate canny anglophile”.    
       
    Unfortunately for Senator-elect Kirk, the Democrat apparatus in Illinois is dragging their feet with the paperwork and say that it won’t get done and he can’t be sworn in until Nov. 29.  The problem with this is that the new session of Congress starts on Nov. 15.  Kirk won his election because he ran against the Dem candidate intended to replace corrupt Blagojevich appointee, Roland Burris, on a promise to vote against any radical legislation the Democrats tried to ram through during their “lame duck session” (between Nov. 15 and the end of the year – the new session starts on Jan. 3).  This mysterious delay means that Burris will sit with the Democrats and vote for whatever they do for at least two weeks before Kirk is seated.    
       
    Some states require their elected people to get seated right away, including Illinois.  But since this is a corrupt, Democrat-controlled state, the voters are being denied for partisan purposes.    
       
    I’m sure ol’ Justin has no idea any of this is happening to his old schoolmate, and the BBC will completely ignore any partisan corruption on the President’s behalf.

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  30. james1070 says:

    New BBC meme the Police are to blame for the violence.

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  31. David Preiser (USA) says:

    How typical that the police are criticized for not doing enough to contain the protesters and prevent violence.  Ooh, they’re holding back too much, etc., says some photographer who was caught up in the crowd.

    Of course, nobody dares admit on air that the BBC would be attacking the police all day long if they so much as hurt one hair on the head of an innocent, righteous student, so of course they have to operate with both hands tied behind their backs.  The police are screwed no matter what they do, and they know it.

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  32. Craig says:

    It’s shocking comparing how various news agencies are reporting the student violence.

    As of 5 o’clock The Press Association report, Tuition fees demonstration descends into violence , describes how “a number of police officers were injured after they came under attack from youths, some wearing scarves to hide their faces, amid scenes of chaos.” It details all the violence, including the “large metal fire extinguisher dropped on to riot police”, “the sticks and other missiles thrown at police from a crowd of at least 1,000”, the protestors who “smashed and kicked their way through more of the glass frontage” at Millbank and the policewoman “with a bloody wound to her head“, adding that “a stick was thrown at her as she went.”

    The Sky News website talks of how students “smashed their way into Millbank Tower in central London and started fires outside,” and says that  “police have warned of concrete being thrown to the ground. At one point, a fire extinguisher thrown from the roof was seen to land just feet from officers standing below. Sky News’ home affairs correspondent, said police are facing a “volley of missiles”. According to Sky sources, officers have been pelted with flaming torches.” The sky reporter added that was “glass flying everywhere and officers have been hit with sticks.”

    The Channel 4 News website talks of the cowering receptionist at Tory HQ” and how “with not an MP in sight, Tory office workers were held hostage upstairs in Millbank Towers, taunted with chants of “Tory scum””.

    Contrast this with the BBC‘s main web report. You get very little detail about the violence, nothing about the life-threatening nature of some of the violence, nothing either about how terrifying it must have been for the workforce at Millbank, and nothing about the danger the police found themselves in. It even begins by suggesting an equivalence between the protestors and the police: “There have been clashes between demonstrators and police in London”. NO, the police and Millbank were attacked!!!

    What follows is little more that a sanitised, censored account:

    “Protesters have broken into the building housing the Conservative Party headquarters in Westminster. They have set fire to placards outside. Thrown “liquids” down? So not the fire extinguisher(s) that other news agencies saw, or any concrete?)
    A stand-off is taking place between students and the police, with protesters surging forward at 30 Millbank, chanting. Some protesters went on to a roof terrace at the top of the building. Missiles were thrown at the police. BBC News correspondent Mike Sergeant is at the scene. He said protesters on the roof had thrown liquids down and that a female police officer had been injured.” (

    Either the Press Association, Sky and Channel 4 are overstating the level of student violence or the BBC is massively understating it. I can guess which one it is.

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    • Craig says:

      A cut-and-paste went awry there in the heat of typing. It should have read:

      “Protesters have broken into the building housing the Conservative Party headquarters in Westminster. They have set fire to placards outside. A stand-off is taking place between students and the police, with protesters surging forward at 30 Millbank, chanting. Some protesters went on to a roof terrace at the top of the building. Missiles were thrown at the police. BBC News correspondent Mike Sergeant is at the scene. He said protesters on the roof had thrown liquids down and that a female police officer had been injured.” ( Thrown “liquids” down? So not the fire extinguisher(s) that other news agencies saw, or any concrete?) 

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    • dave s says:

      6pm TV news has gone out of it’s way to concentrate on the “political ” problems facing the Libdems over the fees.
      I would have thought the students have got the problems.
      Do the Beeboids really think public sympathy is going to be on their side?
      Probably as they gaze fondly on the Che posters they have all kept the answer is yes.
      No mention yet by the BBC that Ireland is on the verge of economic meltdown and that caused by the same overspending the students and the BBC are so keen to indulge in at our expense.
      Reality is coming full tilt towards us but listening to the BBC you would never know it

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    • james1070 says:

      Do you believe the BBC, or your lying eyes?

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    • John Horne Tooke says:

      I caught the headlines on Classic FM. Three students talked to the reporter and all of them “justified the violence”. They definately need some education. Lets start with the word “democracy”…

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  33. Martin says:

    The BBC seem to be enjoying it as it takes them back to the good old days of the poll tax riots.

    It will be a total wank fest in the BBC newsroom. Thing these left wing mongs don’t get it what if we all resorted to violence to get our way? I hate the BBC so can I turn up and smash the place up?

    We put up with 13 years of left wing vermin running the Country, but I don’t remember any of us smashing the Country up, yet 5 months and the left can’t control themselves.

    Pathetic really, but the Police do need a kicking here, Mohammad and Abdul must be pissing themselves, if a few drunk drugged up ginger haired students can surprise the plods just think what some drugged up rag heads with a few bombs can do.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      The police had to hold back, couldn’t do much of anything except the most minimal effort.  Imagine the outcry if a single photo was taken of a cop smacking a student over the head with a baton.  In fact, the police were forced to hit them in the legs and no higher, just to avoid the media outrage.

      The only people to blame for the violence are the students and “anarchists” (read: G-20 far-Left protesters who got the tweets and stopped by to help) and the PC mandarins who tied the hands of the police.

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    • dave s says:

      The police always seem to be able to oppose the Countryside Alliance and the EDL with maximum force.
      Too many cossetted kiddies of the libbies on this demonstration perhaps?

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  34. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Now the News Channel has on yet another student rep who says the violence was necessary to get attention, and that the police forced the violence.  It’s Clare Solomon, President of the Univ. of London Student Union.  Barely challenged by the Beeboid in the studio.

    Naturally the violent, Left-wing student rep threatens more protests against the Government for a whole range of political issues. Bonus: she’s wearing the Palestinian checkered scarf.

    As more and more of these student “activists” open their mouths, the more false the BBC’s earlier reporting becomes.

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  35. John Horne Tooke says:

    Not one of these students will “suffer” the policy change. Here is a sober piece on the new student fees.

    http://guythemac.com/2010/11/03/student-fees-the-weird-thing/

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  36. Will says:

    I thought Baoness warsi had given the BBC News reader a slapping when interviewed about tuition fees, but the BBC are replaying it in the news loop so I guess they are not smarting.

    The BBC person with a plaintive tone had asked warsi whether it was now the situation that university costs must all fall on the individual, the student (shades of no such thing as society?) and the state would no longer provide. Warsi replied by saying “the state as you call it” had no resources but was funded by the taxes of ordinary working people.

    Comfortable middle class Beeboids, from a comfortable middle class background, truly have some fantasy communist type notion of a benevolent state providing for all with an inexhaustable pile of magic money

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