OPEN THREAD


Mid-week and time for a new open thread! Are you enjoying the BBC’s sycophantic coverage of The One’s visit? Any other issues bothering you? Let me know…!

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  1. Grant says:

    Lots of stories on the internet and newspapers that DSK’s people are in Guinea trying to bribe the victim’s family to get her to drop the case.
    The Daily Mail even has photos, including one of the family home. Quite luxurious by African standards although the Mail don’t seem to think so.
    But, I can’t seem to find any details on the BBC website. Funny, because this is a very big story. How puzzling.

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  2. Natsman says:

    I would just like to say that, so utterly sick to death am I of the mawkish Obama-fawnfest, that I am instead listening to a bit of Bach (Toccata and Fugue in D) on Radio 3, in an effort to escape the cloying diatribe on the aptly-named “Toady” show.  Sickening.

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  3. As I See It says:

    BBC and the London Olympics. Early days yet but Londoners are already paying for it and for the BBC coverage.

    Should I be consoled that failing to get tickets for the 100 meters dash I can at least toddle down to watch three Africans doing wheelies on a basketball court in their wheelchairs?

    Myself, I just can’t see how they are going to square the circle of the persuit of personal excellence in sport with the most PC games ever.

    I got a bit of a clue yesterday when one of the 5 Live sisters (didn’t take in which – they all sound a bit similar – but I think she was coupled ‘on air’ with Sicky Campbell) well, she was amused to relate some story that revealled her young child’s hero was Usain Bolt (right on!).

    Now he’s a fast runner and likely to be a star of the games – but he is not British. No problem for the BBC there. But wait, I’m guessing he is going to be the BBC’s favourite star invoking…let see, Jesse Owens… and socking it to all us closet white supremacists just like in Berlin….oh the self-loathing contradictions…

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    • Grant says:

      As I see it,
      It is funny how the BBC and Lefties hate British nationalism, or should I say patriotism, except when it comes to sport. Strange .

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      • cjhartnett says:

        I too resent the elitist and rather exclusive nature of Team GB!
        No obese-no ramps for diasabled scooters up to the high jump?
        Breaks every HSE rule in the book and -indeed-runs counter to the whole inclusion mobilty package rolled out by that nice Mr Blair.
        Plenty places to make the drug taking community comfortable though, so let`s move on in positivity with that thought at least!

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  4. cjhartnett says:

    Poor old Ernest Rutherford!
    You might have thought that his epoch-changing discovery of atomic structure might have been reward enough for him as he sat in his bath chair later on in life.
    He has University departments named after him and his place in history is assured! Or so I thought!

    Ah but wait-here`s Tom Fielden(or such like-no Uni departments named after him this week,but things move fast in science these days eh?).
    He`s on the filler bit that follows grumpy business correspondent bawling out a CEO who`s doing rather well-but the BBC HATES that! But he`s on before the trampoline bit of detritus that bounces us all onto bloody Libby Purvis or whoever has to follow the donkey droppings of Today( Blue Peter Garden roses always look good!). This is where Tom was planted today!
    His point?…well, only scientists(and not too many of them at that!) seem to have noted the anniversary of Rutherfords discovery. No Brian Cox-no De Sautoy, Singh, al-Jalili-and as I say, no Professor Brian Cox! He played keyboards on NuLabors anthem you know!

    In short-no “celebration”, no excuse for an hour long docusoap on Ernies battle with Two Ton Tex…for Goads sake you people!..no commission for a third rate unitune like Tom!
    Of course Ernest only got on with “doing” little bits of-well to be frank, rather routine science that did NOT involve the BBCs list of Coxes and Lumleys…the cur! Luckily Toms producers not forgotten!
    ?

    Yet Tom forgives-maybe in this year of all years-we might be able to stick the magnets on that Hedron Collider we`ve built for the Swiss, so we find the squonk, the holy grail, the lost chord…that is Higgs Bosun( weren`t they the dodgy anal dilation experts that ruined Cleveland in 87?…all the same to Tom and his zoo crew!)
    It`s what Ernie boy would have wanted surely-you know…to get us all over to the Swiss alps for the snows returning !

    So that`s it boys and girls-no Brian Cox or Dara, no Robin or Roger Harrabin-and you`re destined never to get the BBCs science partys goodie bag and helium balloon after a photo with Myleen Klass…tragic! What kind of scientist could live with this BBC lack of esteem for  “scientific” work?…none but poor Ernie of the ones named above?

    NO chance of Johnny Ball or David Bellamy getting a bit of rigour back to the Toadys science output is there?…Fred Dineage and the How team are way more competent re science than Tom and team…and I know that Fred is still available!
    Regards from the Fielden Uni Grant Dispensary for fatuous CERN puffery( Sentiment and slush puppy faculty!)

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    • Grant says:

      cj,
      Just read your post. Phew !  I need a lie-down.
      I like the idea of a “docu-soap”, but what on earth is a “squonk” ?
      I think you are getting confused. “Higgs Bosun”  is a nautical term.
      But, you are right, Ernest is just not trendy, sexy enough and had the wrong hair style.
      What is worse is that he never played in a rock band and is dead.
      Thank goodness our children will never learn about him at school as a role model.

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    • Chris says:

      ISTR David Bellamy is a global catastrophic anthropocentric climate change skeptic.  If my recollection is correct, then there is little chance of the beeb letting him say anything about science.

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    • Will says:

      But today the “grumpy business correspondent” had to bring the discussion to a quick end. The subject was boosting the UK maufacturing  sector & the contribution of Sir Alan Rudge, chairman of the ERA Foundation (which funds and advises technology research). was that the country’s prospects were being scuppered by the lunacy of massively increasing energy costs in order to satisfy the warmists. 

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      on the filler bit that follows grumpy business correspondent bawling out a CEO who`s doing rather well’

      Well, successful business leaders tend to be from Mars via running successful businesses that have to compete, innovate and respond to the consumer, while ‘business correspondents’ talk out of another planet and get handed a cushy gig on pay, peks and pension not matter what, often purely on the strength of their ideological fealty.

      That the first tends to make the UK a better place as a consequence of their efforts, and the second is perversely funded by its public to undermine the former, is a rather an oddity. A unique one.

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      • cjhartnett says:

        How about the BBCs money munchers like Steph, Pesto and the like doing an Apprentice thing for “cheridee”…see if they can make a bean without the Beeb paying them?
        More BBC!…I for one would buy a tinsel wind turbine from Evan!
        Pan pipes or wind chimes?…you decide!

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      • Grant says:

        But the BBC seem to like the Dragons , Alan Sugar and some other entrepreneurs. Is it because the are all Labour supporters ?

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  5. George R says:

    Is BBC-NUJ hero Richard Dawkins belatedly ‘getting it’ on ISLAM?:

    “Richard Dawkins Now Sees Islam Correctly — And Suggests Support For Christianity In Africa Makes Sense”http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/35193

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  6. Olivia B says:

    The BBC follows the left-wing agenda that you must not criticise the agencies of the State, unless the victims of their inadequacies are ‘pet’s to be used to advance left-wing doctrine. Crimewatch featured a murder solved after 35yrs. The killer, we learnt, had a terrible criminal record for violence, particularly towards women. In the 80s he stabbed to death his pregnant wife and their unborn child. 3yrs later he attempted to murder his latest wife, who was also pregnant, and raped and beat a teenager.  Cut to the studio, with Kirsty Young and Matt Amroliwala lounging on their desks. “so whay kind of man was……?” was the ridiculous response to the chilling summary of his crimes, from Kirsty. No mention of what most viewers were yelling at the tv: 2what the f**k was he doing living a free life after killing his pregnant wife? Why the f**k was he enjoying life until cancer got him before the Police in 2008, after committing so many heinous crimes? Instead we were supposed to cheer the fact the Police found out he ‘done it’, after he was dead. I was just fuming at our shambolic justice system that failed so many victims and failed to keep a dangerous man in prison.

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    • Grant says:

      Olivia,
      I saw it too. PC Plod only discovered it was him, because he left a written death bed confession.  So what was the story about ?

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  7. My Site (click to edit) says:

    Never occurred to me before, but in the spirit of investigation, I thought I’d run through the high-profile blogger selection from the Newsnight thread RHS nav bar, and where I have an impression (or it seems known, which it isn’t supposed to) and it’s relevant (ie: a political aspect) tot up who is what hue…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/

    Crick – in that his entire body of work is based on ‘sources’ from the pervious gov, wild guess
    Urban – not sure
    Mason – the ‘Comrade Mason’ nickname seems a hint
    Marshall – closed since 2009
    Black – was very keen on Gordon/Milie E’s ‘science is settled’ efforts, but seems to stick with any press release he likes, so long as it’s green. Politically, one presumes that means Ms. Lucas could pontificate on Soylent Green as a supplement and it would be gospel.
    Rory – no clue. I think he votes whatever Apple or twitter tell him to (or Google’s Peter Barron)
    Easton – he does seem a bit ‘down’ on the current crew
    Mardell – Rather partisan, to say the least
    Robinson – Ex young Conservative. But that was a while ago.
    Peston – Did a bio a while ago as I recall. Scoops rather dried up now, for some reason.
    Stephanomics – have to sleep on that one. Though I suspect I went to the wrong uni.

    Notice Mr. Marr doesn’t blog, or get mentioned here, and Mr. Neil is not even linked. Being the latter is about the only one who I can see as harbouring any hinter of centrist counter-left views/history, out of the total that rather makes a point.

    If a unique one, balance-wise.

    Remember these are the folk broadcasting their opinions, 24/7, via a £4Bpa megaphone, from Land’s End to John ‘o Groats.

    In a world where being seen on Big Brother naked for a few weeks scores you a shot at being a role model and opinion-former to many registered voters.

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  8. cjhartnett says:

    A squonk is something from a Genesis LP back in the 70s!
    But the point of this entry is just to give due,fair warning that there is a Lenny Henry alert issued by the Met for Saturday morning!
    Presumably the Stratford luvvies have lost their Buttons for panto, but we the people are lucky enough to have him liberated from Premier Inns for this weekend only.
    Think he`s mocking snooker-can we say “coloured balls” in the great mans presence?
    Luckily the black ball is worth infinitely more than the white-so that`s OK with the Met surely!
    Thank you Danny Baker…you couldn`t have come back at a better time!
    Katanga my friends!…Lennys never ending Renaissance Man Rehab continues…will Sayle or Baddiel be the next to bag a beano at the Beeb?

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    • Buggy says:

      A post of baroque splendour !

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      • Grant says:

        Yep, if it wasn’t for cj’s brilliant, wacky humour, I would think he was absolutely barking.
        But, cj has a point. You have to admire the BBC. Henry, Baddiel, Sayle,  and I would include Merton. The BBC is loyal to its comedians even when they aren’t funny any more.

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        • cjhartnett says:

          And the winner is Baddiel!
          He was on this very evening on Four Thought(no don`t ask me!) and the announcer did say that he`d be back this Saturday evening at 7( after Loose Ends)…AND a repeat at 5.40 on Sunday evening!
          The prefootie analysis suddenly looks a treat…and Evensong up and down the land can only benefit!

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  9. George R says:

    Unpopularity of European Union.

    Even BBC-EU’s G. Hewitt now has an inkling of the deep, and growing political opposition to membership of the E.U. among European people (although UKIP is not mentioned):

    “The people versus a European elite”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13528254

    Melanie Phillips:

    “Creeping competencies, or incompetent creeps?”

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6972690/creeping-competencies-or-incompetent-creeps.thtml

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  10. PDC says:

    Here’s a fascinating story about why the Palestinian state that’s to be declared in September will be a sham.
    http://www.hudson-ny.org/2138/palestine-currency-shekel
    It’s just the sort of issue a serious broadcaster like the BBC should be raising if it is genuinely serious. It would be ideal subject matter for one of the many business/economics/finance programmes it runs.
    Do read it. It’s an eye-opener.
    Here’s my prediction: the BBC will be so excited by the UN vote that there’ll be no analysis, just pics of flag-waving freedom-loving Palestinians.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Last November, Amazon.com decided to ban the sale of a guide to paedophilia from their site.  BBC technology maven Rory Cellan-Jones called it “censorship” and fretted over how this did not represent the freedom of the web as originally intended.  Such is his love and respect for the freedom of the internet that he sees preventing distribution of instructions on how to commit crimes as “censorship”, rather than crime prevention and protecting the public.

    Now it seems that Facebook is engaging in a bit of freedom stifling, by refusing to give software upgrades to groups with political positions with which the Facebook elite don’t approve.  Apparently if groups don’t get the software upgrade, admins lose contact with members and can’t access their own lists and so have to go recruit everyone all over again.  This effectively destroys the funcitonality of the group, a grave suppression of freedom of speech and association.  What a shock, Facebook bosses are all Democrat and Obamessiah supporters, and the groups not getting the upgrade key are not.

    Yet Rory Cellan-Jones, previously so concerned about the freedom of the web that he thought an instruction manual for kiddie fiddling should be sold on Amazon, doesn’t think Facebook’s oppressive tactics are a problem.  In fact, he doesn’t even mention it at all in his latest blog post about the upcoming “e-G8” summit of media moguls.  Cellan-Jones gushes that Facebook boss Zuckerberg is more powerful than Rupert Murdoch or the CEO of Google, but doesn’t think it’s important to mention Zuckerberg’s use of Facebook to engage in political oppression.

    Bias.

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  12. pounce_uk says:

    The bBCs so called defence expert explains (via a pilot) all about an Ah64D aka Apache helo.

    And here in less than a 1/3rd of the time a British service man explains much more.

    bBC defence experts….Experts indeed.

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    • Craig says:

      Well, at least we learned from Caroline Wyatt that it’s “big” and it looks “scary”!

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      • Natsman says:

        To which particular part of Ms Wyatt do you refer, Craig?

        Please bear in mind that there was lots of talk on Wimmin’s Hour today about masturbation, and vibrators, and even mention of the heretical word “cunnilingus”  I was quite shocked.

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      • Grant says:

        Craig,
        Would that be the Caroline Wyatt whose traing for the job included being “Paris Correspondent ” whatever that means  ?

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  13. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Jef McAllister (the guy with the US accent given several minutes to tell you what to think about what you’ve just seen) just told a whole string of whoppers about the President’s visit to Ireland and the UK.  At least he admitted that this was a campaign trip meant for consumption back home, but it was full of White House talking points and spin and deceit.

    McAllister said that the President’s Oirishness is important back home because too many people still view him as “an exotic” (read: many people are racists), and that 50% of Republicans think He wasn’t born in the US.  That’s a total lie, but the BBC is happy to let it through unchallenged. This is why they had him on in the first place.

    So the whole trip is meant to appease the racists?  Also, it’s an utter lie to say that critics were calling the President “wimpy” for “allowing Britain and France to lead” on Libya. In fact He was dead set against taking action until the very last minute when he suddenly realized that diplomacy wasn’t working.  His staff had to spend weeks convincing Him.  That’s not “allowing” anyone to lead while taking a back seat, it’s refusing to join in at all.  Yet another lie promoted by the BBC.

    Then there’s the spin about “soft power” and “a new start” to the relationship between the UK and the US.  How is it “new”?  Does He mean that He screwed up initially and is trying to restart it on better footing, or that somehow His mere presence makes it more wonderful than ever before?  The BBC is telling you it’s the latter.

    Of course, none of this is surprising because they made sure to bring in McAllister because he used to work for the Leftoid Time Magazine, and – even better – he’s a supporter of Democrats Abroad and fits in well with the BBC’s agenda.

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    • Craig says:

      McAllister is one of the regular commentators on Gavin Esler’s weekly lib-left lovefest Dateline London, along with that other BBC favourite Michael Goldfarb. Esler has never mentioned that McAllister is a Democrat.

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    • Buggy says:

      It’s very odd, this obsession with the “exotic” that the current US administration and its worldwide army of drooling cheerleaders have.

      The One’s bizarre little schtick about not looking like any of the Presidents on banknotes.

      It’s almost as if they’re all desperate for somebody to use the ‘N word’ to describe His Awesomeness, after which I suppose some sort of Lefty Rapture will take place with the rest of we pond-dwellers left to scarpe arounbd in the mud and ashes I suppose.

      It really is very odd.

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  14. Radio2LunchTimeLoather says:

    Radio 2 produced an volcanic ash/aircraft engine interface expert (who was anything but) for their 5pm news bulletin a few minutes ago. I did not catch his name but his assertion that volcanic re-melts and that “molten lava sloshing around in an engine is the last thing that you want” is just plain wrong. Unfortunately Radio 2 chose to believe the words of this idiot without checking the facts of the matter and then peddled his sensationalist lies to their listeners as fact.

    Should I be surprised? I think not.

    http://lunchtimeloather.blogspot.com/

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    • ltwf1964 says:

      at least they are consistent

      consistently crap,that is

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Never wise for dear old radio2 to play clever!
      When Jeremy Vine is your solo uni graduate, it`s never good to try and tell us anything political or contentious-which is why we love them so!
      How much does the Panorama gargoyle-Jeremy Vine-get for telling us what someone else is going to tell us…now THAT`S the level of current affairs suited to our Radio 2 disc jockeys!
      Gravitas left Radio2 in Jimmy Youngs sedan chair! 

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  15. My Site (click to edit) says:

    Whilst on his UK tour, Barack Obama paid a surprise visit to Camborne:

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  16. Radio2LunchTimeLoather says:

    Jet engines and ash again, and this piece of complete b0ll0cks is what we should be believing, apparently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8632572.stm

    At 01:15 Mr Stansfield says “The hottest part of a jet engine gets to 1500 degrees”, presumably Celsius and which I would consider to be reasonably accurate. However, in the demonstration he is clearly using an oxy-acetylene cutting torch, as used for cutting steel, and with his “let’s give this a bit more oxygen” comment he raises the temperature to over 3000 degrees – double what he said happened in a jet engine.   Moving on, he then trains the gas torch flame on one of the dummy turbine blades, but he has failed to reproduce the behaviour of a jet engine as the blades shown are not rotating. This causes the turbine blade to become red hot. Never, never, never does the turbine blade in a jet engine become red hot. At only 1500 degrees there is simply insufficient temperature for this to happen.
    Utter tosh, from start to end.

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  17. Jon S says:

    Again The One Show tonight was quietly brainwashing the UK with gushing comments about Obama. To me The One Show is a subtle mouthpiece of the Labour Party and lefties wrapped up in a supposed family show. 

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  18. Obligate Carnivore says:

    More opinion, dressed as fact by the BBC.  See version 2:

    http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/393545/diff/0/1

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  19. cjhartnett says:

    So Michael O`Leary was right…again and as ever!

    The fops at the CAA wouldn`t have gone for Dresden if there was the risk of dust behind the contact lenses would they?

    Michael is the man I trust- Oirish  derring do…and because the BBC hate him so much…he`s to be cherished!
    The Irish economy can`t be doing with the fragile mayflies of Brussels trying to clip the wings of the Celtic Tiger( Windscale did have its benefits!)-Philip Hammond is no weatherman, but O`Leary clearly had his chemistry set out-and was right! Say sorry Beeb!
    Fly my pretties!
    Can I name his airline now that the Beeb have come our from under Prescotts windflaps to name “yer man” in a gigging order?

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    • Grant says:

      Do these ignoramuses really believe that the airline bosses are going to risk the lives of their crew and passengers just to make a quick buck ?
      If one plane goes down, the airline is finished and the bossmen may be on corporate  manslaughter charges.
      Who do you trust ?  O’Leary , Walsh and all the other industry people who actually know about these things or stupid politicians and their advisors who don’t ?
      Bring back the Wright Brothers , I say !

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      • Bupendra Bhakta says:

         apropos of zip; when branson did the launch press conference of Virgin Airways a journo asked him what he thought the safety record of Virding would be.

        ‘We’ve only got one plane’, said Ricky, ‘…so it’ll be either very good or very bad.’

        😉

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  20. Buggy says:

    There’s just been an advert on BBC 2 featuring “Just A Minute.” Can’t tell you what it’s about as the sound gets muted here as soon as any commercial break starts, but I thought you’d better be warned, all, that Brigstocke-The-Loon is now sporting a Gerry Adams style beard.

    It’s not a good look. He looks like a rather tatty wolf.

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  21. Scrappydoo says:

    Does anyone eles find the way BBC tv news uses “music” boom budddy boom drum rolls between stories offensive ? 

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    • Grant says:

      Scrappydoo,
      I find all the BBC’s use of mindless, pointless , loud music offensive together with all their other teenage gimmicks.  In many documentaries, I can’t hear what the commentator is saying. Why do they do it ?

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    • Millie Tant says:

      I cannot bear that stupid insistent drumming and beeping that the Beeboid Corporation thinks is a fit introduction to a news programme. I know it is attempting to proclaim its own importance but it is ridiculously frivolous and juvenile, as are the flying fruitbowls that accompany this annoying repetitive da dik dik dik, da dik dik dik and the stupid cuckoo-clock beeping.  

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  22. John Horne Tooke says:

    I am sure that this could equally apply to the BBC bubble
    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/05/intellectuals.html

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  23. cjhartnett says:

    Groundbull day at the Beeb.
    Newsnight delights in the demise of bullfighting in Catelonia.
    He may well have said how many jobs  would be cut as a consequence of meddling by the do-gooding Eurohippies-but I must have missed it!
    Who will take on the loss of apprenticeships in this vibrant and colourful sector of the tourist industry?
    Bloody Franco eh?

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  24. cjhartnett says:

    Groundbull day at the Beeb.
    Newsnight delights in the demise of bullfighting in Catelonia.
    He may well have said how many jobs  would be cut as a consequence of meddling by the do-gooding Eurohippies-but I must have missed it!
    Who will take on the loss of apprenticeships in this vibrant and colourful sector of the tourist industry?
    Bloody Franco eh?

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  25. Radio2LunchTimeLoather says:

    I live in North Wales, and would anybody care to guess what the BBC think was the MOST important thing to happen in the Principality today?

    The lead item on this evening’s “Wales Today” news programme was … the BBC. Nothing that happened here today was more important than the possibility (and it is only that) that some BBC Wales staff could be losing their jobs. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13541158

    The number of times per week that Wales Today manages to report anything from North Wales can be counted on one foot of a three-toed sloth. Nothing north of Aberystwyth usually, and it is not known as “South Wales Today” around here for nothing.

    Sack the lot of them!

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  26. David Preiser (USA) says:

    It was pointed out here a few days ago (sorry, can’t find who it was) about Roger Harrabin’s anti-fracking propaganda peace.  Any old excuse to block the use of fossil fuels is seized with vigor by the ideologues at the BBC.  So I wonder what they make of this, and if they’ll dare to report it:

    EPA Adminstrator Confirms:  No fracking water contamination

    This is the Obamessiah-appointed head of the watermelon-infested EPA saying this.  Whom do you believe?  Not the BBC, I’d suggest.

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  27. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC, the propaganda arm for the Taliban
    Taliban seize district in eastern Afghan province
    Officials in Afghanistan say insurgents allied to the Taliban have taken another district in a strategically important province in the north-east. Nuristan Governor Jamaludin Badar told the BBC that 10 insurgents and three policemen had been killed. Nato-led forces now say they and Afghan troops provided air support on Wednesday.

    And here is ISAFs news report on the subject. (Note as ISAF is Multinational and includes elements outside NATO countries such as Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Azerbaijan, Ireland and Jordan. There is very little scope of mistruths been peddled by them)
    Afghan, Coalition Forces Air Assault into Nuristan
    KABUL, Afghanistan (May 25, 2011) – Afghan and coalition forces air assaulted into Do-ab district, Nuristan province today to assess insurgent activity. There have been many claims the district was overrun today. However, the Afghan National Police post commander for the district center said his post was not overrun by insurgents. The combined force will continue to assess insurgent activity in the area.The combined force came under small arms fire upon landing from an unknown number of insurgents. The combined force returned fire and called for close air support, suppressing the enemy fire and killing more than 10 insurgents.
     Initial reporting from the combined force engagement indicates there was no damage to property and no civilians injured.“We have seen the insurgent claims in the media. Our Afghan and coalition forces are on the ground. There is some fighting however no indication at this time the district was ever overrun. The ground force commander continues to develop the situation on the ground,” said Col. Hans Bush, ISAF Joint Command spokesman.
    Now have a look at Google and zoom into the area. Pretty hard to find simply because there are no big towns (hell there are no little towns) in the region and the reason for that is it is pure mountainous. The biggest collection of dwellings is 90 huts. 90 huts and for some strange reason ISAF doesn’t bother patrolling the area and leaves that to the local police.  Yet according to the bBC this is a strategic important province. It appears that a tofu eating wanker at the bBC who feels he is qualified to talk tactics because he played a game of RISK years ago knows more about COIN than the actual people who are putting their lives on the line.

    bBC defence experts indeed.

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    • pounce_uk says:

      And here are a few stories the bBC doesn’t bother mentioning about Afghanistan:  
      NATO on alert for influx of foreign fighters in southern Afghanistan  
      Coalition forces in Afghanistan say that a recent security operation in the southeast part of the country suggests an influx of foreign fighters may be underway, just as the Taliban begins its “fighting season” against NATO troops.And intelligence analysts say it seems a growing number of Europeans are among them.  
       
       
      Taliban kill Afghan girls’ school headmaster  
      LOGAR – Taliban gunmen killed the headmaster of a girls’ school near the Afghan capital after he ignored warnings to stop teaching girls, government officials said on Wednesday, the latest attack by hardline Islamists who oppose education for women  
       
      Afghans protest against Taliban peace deal  
      Thousands of Afghans have attended a heated rally in Kabul decrying peace talks with the Taliban in a show of strength by those opposing any return to power of the hardline movement.The killing of the man who was sheltered by the Taliban regime in the 1990s has prompted heady speculation that an “end game” to the 10-year conflict could now be at hand, with the Afghan government under President Hamid Karzai and the Taliban-led insurgency striking a deal.  
      But “deal making” were dirty words to the crowd gathered at the rally in Kabul on Thursday morning. Banners lining the tent said “We didn’t vote for Karzai to make deals,” and “Don’t sacrifice justice for dealing.”Speeches were interrupted several times by chants from the crowd of “Death to the Taliban. Death to the suicide bombers. Death to the Punjabis” – a reference to the demonstrators’ view that the Taliban is under the control of Pakistan’s spy service  
       
      Instead all we get from the bBC is pro Taliban articles.

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      • jarwill101 says:

        Good work, pounce. Three very revealing news items that don’t fit the BBC’s one-eyed ‘narrative’. I’m grateful for your vigilance. The case of the murdered headmaster is deeply revealing, as well as sickening. What on earth do BBC women make of this disgusting oppression? This fascist death-squad mentality? The Beeboids unthinking subservience to all things Muslim is like an unattended, wilful child playing with an open fire. One day the house is going to burn down, and the new neighbours aren’t going to kindly dry any eyes.

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        • Grant says:

          jarwill,
          The BBC women are fake feminists. Their idea of equality only applies to non-muslims. It is impossible to take these wretched harpies seriously. They are the enemies of their “sistas”.
          I am more of a feminist than female Beeboids.

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          • cjhartnett says:

            Typical sexist white males all of you!
            It is not appropriate to tell us about the hideously white head of R.E beaten to a pulp by vulnerable and challenging members of the Bangladeshi Muslim community.
            That he presumed to teach their child brides of tomorrow anything-being no Muslim and male-was unfortunate, but the same lessons are being learned…don`t put any of this out on the BBC whatever you do!
            Who is not to say that they were an unannounced OFSTED inspection team anyhow?

            In answer to your other concern…Cheries Nail Bar( Green Zone, downtown Kabul) is doing “appropriately”( given the extent of the Toricutz of course).

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            The thing is, many Beeboids – male, female, or henna color – think that most Muslim women are not oppressed but wear the veil, hijab, or burqa completely voluntarily.  They’ve done a few programmes just to get that point across.  We’ve even heard from a couple of Mohammedan women that the burqa is “liberating” and a statement of personal religious freedom and expression.

            It’s not oppressive or unfair if the darkies do it voluntarily because of their deeply-felt religious beliefs, which none may question as they’re not white or Christian.  Every white convert who bags up is proof of this, of course.

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      • Grant says:

        pounce,
        Yes, if I want to know what is really happening in Afghanistan, the BBC is the last place I would go to.
        Mind you , the same applies to the rest of the world and the UK.
        The BBC’s news reporting is not only biased, it is also crap.

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  28. Grant says:

    The BBC website reports that DSK is “bored” under house arrest.  ( Poor diddums).  No reference to how his alleged victim is feeling.
    They describe him as a “Presidential candidate “.  ( Technically true, I suppose ).
    They emphasise that he has “no previous convictions “.
    Are the BBC biased ?  Maybe it is my imagination ?

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  29. Scrappydoo says:

    BBC News reporting on disgraced ex MP David Chaytor.  Absolutely no mention of the fact that he was a labour MP.  How modest would the BBC be if he had been a conservative?

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  30. George R says:

    Which soap do Beeboids use?:-

    ‘Arab Spring’.

    A commercial. (1 min video.)

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/25/graphic-content-brian-sacks-horrifying-arab-spring-commercial

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  31. George R says:

    After Obama-Cameron’s ‘lovey-dovey’ Wednesday in England, WE pick up the bill at G8 in France this Thurday for financing ‘Islamic spring’ (while Saudi Arabia and OPEC put up oil prices):

    INBBC report:

    “G8 summit: Arab uprisings set to dominate agenda”

    Fear the worst from INBBC’s first setence (emphasis added):

    “World leaders are gathering in the French resort of Deauville for a summit of the G8 bloc of wealthy nations.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13554836

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I heard some Beeboid say that, while the US is going to be throwing 4 billion dollars at Egypt, Tunisia, and elsewhere for this, there’s “no new money”.  Who the hell has any “new money”?  Are we supposed to print even more money we don’t have just for this?

      Also, I await John Reith or any defender of the indefensible coming here to tell me that this money is just to bribe them to be nice to Israel, all controlled by the Jewish Lobby.  The BBC told me back when the US was telling the Egyptian generals to get rid of Mubarak that all the billions we give to them “buys that access”.  So are we still bribing the Mohammedans to leave Israel alone or is it different now because the current President is anti-Israel?  Or what, exactly?  Why is there suddenly no criticism of giving money to Egypt?  Just because we changed the label on the brown wrapper?

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  32. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ: What Romanian immigrant serial thief?


    Will BBC-NUJ show as much interest in this injunction against speaking about a Romanian serial thief in Britain, as it did with the Ryan Giggs case?:

    “NOW GAG IS SLAPPED ON NAMING MIGRANT THIEF …IN CASE IT HARMS HIM”

    Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/248860/Now-gag-is-slapped-on-naming-migrant-thief-in-case-it-harms-him-Now-gag-is-slapped-on-naming-migrant-thief-in-case-it-harms-him-#ixzz1NSb8gYN6

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  33. Umbongo says:

    Was it my imagination – and I can’t trace it on the Newsnight page on the BBC website – but did Paxman interview last night two commentators who were not completely in love with Obama?  I pressed the wrong button and saw about 1 minute of Newsnight last night.  The guy in Washington (not, I think, an employee of the BBC) said that anybody commenting on an Obama speech would be well advised to read the transcript before Obama intones.  That way, he said, you would know how the impression given by the speech is based on very shaky foundations.  I hope Mardell and others in the MSM take note.  A forlorn hope I suspect since all objective analysis of the Redeemer has disappeared from the written and televised press.

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    • Daniel Clucas says:

      Was it a guy called Frum? He seems to be on it quite a bit lately for some reason. He was advisor to GWB for a year I think.

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    • John Anderson says:

      Obama’s recent speeches on Israel have been vigorously attacked in the US – but not on the BBC.  Even the Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid distanced himself from the 1967-borders stuff – effectively a rebuke to Obama,  as was all the Democratic Senators and Reps applauding so much in the Netanyahu address to Congress.

      But the BBC presents all that through a Palestinian filter.  

      Twice now,  Obama has pushed peace further away.  First by all his rubbish about settlement building in East Jerusalem,  making impossible unilateral demands of the Israelis,  and giving the Palestinians an easy excuse to avoid negotiations.

      And last week Obama has capped it by his ridiculous suggestions about 1967 borders.  Once again giving the Palestinians an easy cop-out.  Obama (together with his advisors) got a domestic roasting for this,  hardly reflected in BBC coverage.

      All we get from the BBC is sheer unction – someone used the word “statesmanlike”  about his address to the Lords and Commons,  when most of Obama’s statements and actions in office have been far from statemanlike – an amateur with teleprompted slick speeches is more accurate,  an empty suit.   Time and time again he and his administration have shown scant regard for Britain or British interests,  including lese-majeste – but hey?,  why should the BBC care ?     

      (Frum is a “right-of-centre” journalist these days,  wet as dishwater on most issues.)

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      • Daniel Clucas says:

        I read somewhere that if Israel returned to it’s 1967 borders it should give Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan, there wasn’t a Pali state in 1967, or ever actually.
        It may have been on Notasheep I saw it.

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          Sorry, Daniel, but the BBC wrote that bit out of history some time ago.  Even the Romans were occupying Palestinian territory.  Those Jewish revolts were really early Intifadas co-opted by the Jewish Lobby for their own nefarious goals.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      I missed this little bit, but did catch poor Jeremy trying to make sense of a debate about whether any pro-lifer had any right to be advising the State on sex education or not.
      The crop haired harpie on his left clearly thought that there were not enough abortions and her group of quangoed sirens would not take a seat on the advisory board. Something about not enough education and imformation  I`d say.
      The other lady thought that we had too many pregnancies under age and that the pro lifers might have something to say about that.
      No contest-the harpie was head of the BPAS, and so her group needed more resources, researchers and of course lots more teenage girls making their informed choices!
      That we still debate this says much about the Stopists ,Brook and the whole industry that needs these girls for their funding!

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    • sue says:

      For every David Frum on the BBC, there’s at least one Michael Scheuer.

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  34. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC its defence experts and their usual lack of knowledge.
    Iran helicopters: Spain holds eight over ‘illegal sale’
    Spanish police say they have prevented the illegal sale of nine military transport helicopters to Iran and have detained eight people.The operation, which took place in Madrid and Barcelona, led to the arrests of five Spanish businessmen and three Iranian nationals, reports say. As well as the Bell-212 helicopters, police also found spare parts for export to Venezuela, police said… Iran is banned from buying attack helicopters under UN sanctions.
     
    For those of you who don’t know the Bell 212 is a civilian helicopter. It is not to be confused with the Bell 205 aka The UH1H better known as the Huey. The 205 has 1 engine, the 212 has 2 engines. Yes there is a military variant of the 212, but that is the Italian built Augusta Bell 212, not the Bell 212, pedantic of me, maybe but the facts are the facts.

    As for that last snippet which states that Iran cannot purchase Attack helicopters why should it, when it builds its own.

    Here have a look at the video of the arrest:

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Thanks for all these pounce!
      When the BBC is formally stripped of its will to live, think I know who will be my candidate for the Insight Team to give us the real news (as opposed to BBC slurry)

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  35. pounce_uk says:

    Did anybody happen to come across this article which gives sexist Islamic views in the Uk a very easy time:

     Mosques split over women’s role

    Guidelines issued to UK mosques calling for women to have a greater role in their running have been criticised by an influential Islamic organisation….But the Lancashire Council of Mosques said the advice was impractical and amounted to interference in privately run and funded places of worship….Mr Mulla said: “Muslim women are supposed to cover themselves and practically it’s not possible and women themselves don’t want to be part of management committees. Also Islamically, the prayer is not valid if it’s not done in Arabic.”

     

    And here is something the bBC didn’t mention in the above article as stated by Mr Mulla:

    Coun Mulla said of more than 100 mosques LCM represents there was not a single woman on management committees — and that was ‘unlikely to change’

     

    Hang on does the above say Councillor Mulla. Why Mr Mulla is a labour councillor for Darwen council. The same Labour councillor who was taken to court over £9K of benefit fraud (charges dropped after he paid back £6K) The same labour councillor who sent out anti-Semitic e-mails via his council e-mail and the same Labour councillor who dropped out of running for mayor of Blackburn after public outrage over how he got let off benefit fraud charges. You’d think the bBC would have mentioned those little snippets while allowing to him broadcast that under Islam: Two balls good, No balls bad.

    Yup the bBC not only excuses sexist behaviour (imagine the outcry if it was a pure men only club but manned by non Muslims) but allows a dubious person in which to belittle and demean women in the Uk.

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    • pounce_uk says:

      Oh look whatelse I’ve uncovered about Mr Mulla:  
      A COUNCILLOR who specialises in child care is facing calls for his resignation after he gave a character reference to a paedophile.  Coun Salim Mulla spoke up for a sex offender of the same name before he was jailed for three years for sexual assault and inciting a child under the age of 13 to engage in sexual activities.  

      Yup the bBC sure picked the right one here.  

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  36. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Okay, so now that Ratko Mladic has been caught, when will the BBC tell the Mohammedans that the West actually does work very hard to defend them and seek justice when thousands of them are slaughtered?

    There has been a huge expense laid out to make a case against, indict, search for, and at last capture this slob, simply because he is responsible for the deaths of Mohammedans.  In the interests of Social Cohesion, the BBC should have a segment on air where they bring in the usual Mohammedan champions like Medhi Hasan, Yasmin A-B, Anjem C, etc. to have them discuss this result.  If Muslim youths are “radicalized” to murder their neighbors by watching news footage of US and British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, then surely this bringing down the sword of justice on a white Christian for muderering so many Muslims is worth a few brownie points.

    And, oh, dear me, how many heads would explode if the BBC stated to these people on air that the US actually saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Muslims by bombing the hell out of the white Christian Serbs?

    This is an extremely important discussion to have, considering the Narrative that terrorism is exclusively the fault of the West and specifically US foreign policy, and how we are supposed to change because of it.  If there was any honesty about jihad against the West at the BBC, this discussion would be a no-brainer.  But I suspect the intellectual failure at the BBC regarding Islam will prevent this idea from even occurring to any of them.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      An excellent piece David!
      I didn`t see Yasmin or Bunglawalla out there giving the Serbs bad body language or waving placards that someone from EHRC had written for them.

      Nor did I see Muslims against Crusades out there trying to burn opium out of plastic poppies, whilst yelling at war widows.

      Choudhury etc were presumably touring the Job Centres or Health assessment interviews whilst bravely bring down the West by draining it of benefits.

      These people get their child brides to wash their dummy suicide vests-but let the infidel do the brave bits like capture a Mladic.

      Wonder if Robertson, Mansfield Stafford Smith etc are already heading over with their legal aid and Human Rights charters?…

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  37. David Preiser (USA) says:

    “Conserivate Peer convicted”….”removed from the Conservative Party”.  Someone should record a screen shot of the New Channel text crawl as proof next time the Beeboids forget to mention the political affiliation of a similarly busted Labour figure.

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  38. john says:

    Did you ever think you would see the day when William Hague was interviewed on BBC News 24 without being interrupted ?

    Well it’s just happened !

    The two serious looking puppets on the news desk broke off from their intrepid reportagé to announce vital breaking news footage just coming into the BBC concerning the arrest of the wanted War Criminal – Ratco Mladic.

    The Foreign Secretary appears on screen :
    “Mr. Hague,  John Craig from SKY NEWS, what do you think about the detention of ………………………”

    The interview went on for what must have seemed an age to the junior BBC producers and when it finnished we returned to live to the BBC news desk, sat behind which, were two horrified looking “how the hell did that happen ?” journalists.

    Ha ha ha ha ha !

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  39. David Preiser (USA) says:

    I just heard the News Channel repeat a segment about the Conservative Peer – labeled on air as such – getting convicted, followed immediately by Huw Edwards reporting that David Chaytor is getting early release.  Chaytor’s party affiliation was not mentioned at all.  No excuses, BBC.

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  40. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Oh, goody, another chance to bash the US for being ignorant and parochial:  Cheryl Cole lost her job as X Factor judge because stupid ‘mericuhns can’t understand her Geordie accent.  The BBC had on some vox pops of a few people from Newcastle expressing their opinions, but of course I couldn’t understand what they said. *DONT_KNOW*

    How many Geordie accents reading the news from London, or presenting flagship programmes, BBC?  I think Ross Noble should be told.

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      Meanwhile, as we speak, in bunkers around Radios 1, 2, 3…99 and ‘Lesbos (it’s an island in the Med, like Ibiza, before the PC vultures get excited) Live, Make Some Noiz), moves are probably afoot to convert a young national treasure to pariah status based not on evident talent, but failure to conform to ‘appropriate’ yoof popster ‘finkin (if not doing when one actually sees where they live or run their tax affairs) like young Billy or Bonio:

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100089687/dont-worry-adele-the-telegraphs-got-your-back/

      Not quite sure what levels these bunkers are located, but on past evidence there will be little compunction in trying to drag everyone down there, if oddly vague on where the market rate talent levels seem to be pinned Chez Aunty when it comes to offshoring the contractor fees.

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    • john says:

      Does it really matter if the cretins who watch these shows are swayed by the cretins who pontificate over the cretins who are aspiring to become cretin of the year are indeed troubled by inchoherent accents ?
      My guess would be – no !

      So, expect a BBC commission “Allah Achkbar dancing and singing on ice with his wives before blowing himself up”.

      How could it possibly fail to be a ratings succsess ?
      Only if the Geordie airhead got the job over Dolly Parton, who’s accent I love ! (Amongst a couple of other things).

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  41. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Looks like js-kit is fiddling with the comments again.  Hope it gets sorted out soon.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Maybe it’s Blogger messing things up and not the Russians.  Frame weirdness at the top, can’t make a main post, and it’s the same for other sites.

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  42. George R says:

    I  know it’s a heavy news day, INBBC, but there’s this to report:

    ‘Daily Mail’

    Four Muslims who battered man for teaching RE to girls jailed for being ‘a danger to the public due to their extreme religious beliefs’

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Link not working.  Something is messed up with the comments now.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Oh George!
      A typically sexist,simplistic and patronising account!
      Our vulnerable young Muslims were simply questioning why a white bloke(non Muslim) could possibly be teaching R.E(and in charge of it too) to their girls.
      I agree that they were somewhat intemperate and rather rushed to judgement…inappropriate and regrettable of course, but I think their willingness to engage with staff at the school is to be admired…OFSTED could well benefit from this unannounced method of staff appraisals!

      It`s not all bad news either,so why the negativity?
      Cheries Nail Bar in the Green Zone Mall, Kabul is offering 10% discounts on manicures this week only..so Womans Hour have a story of inclusion to celebrate as opposed to your rather gauche account of injudicious race relations!

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  43. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ: forever politically fixing ‘Question Time’:

    “BBC accused of ageism after ‘snubbing pensioners from Question Time panel because the studios are too hot'”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390817/BBC-accused-ageism-snubbing-pensioners-Question-Time-panel-studios-hot.html#ixzz1NU2EcQRJ

    (And how old is Dimbleby?)

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  44. George R says:

    Yes, Mladic is a war criminal:

    “Captured Mladic in Serbian court”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13559597

    But let’s not censor out the war crimes of the other side, shall we, INBBC?:

    “Bosnian Muslim War Crimes: 1990s”
    http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/076.shtml

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  45. George R says:

    Cameron forces British people to donate their money to Muslims globally!
     
     
    After the ‘lovey-dovey’ Wednesday in England between Obama and Cameron, we now have the harsh reality of Thursday in France, -no doubt approved by those champions of Islam: INBBC, Arab League, Muslim Brotherhood, etc   😉 –

    “UK calls for G8 financial aid for ‘Arab Spring'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13565532

    That ‘Arab Spring’:

    [1 min commercial from Glenn Beck site] –

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/25/graphic-content-brian-sacks-horrifying-arab-spring-commercial

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  46. George R says:

    Cameron forces British people to donate their money to Muslims globally!
     
     
    After the ‘lovey-dovey’ Wednesday in England between Obama and Cameron, we now have the harsh reality of Thursday in France, -no doubt approved by those champions of Islam: INBBC, Arab League, Muslim Brotherhood, etc   😉 –

    “UK calls for G8 financial aid for ‘Arab Spring'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13565532

    That ‘Arab Spring’:

    [1 min commercial from Glenn Beck site] –

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/25/graphic-content-brian-sacks-horrifying-arab-spring-commercial

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  47. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The BBC’s technology maven Rory Cellan-Jones is a hypocrite.  Justin Webb was talking to him this morning on Today about the part of this week’s G8 meeting about trying to have some international body regulating the internet.

    As I pointed out above (below?) on this thread yesterday, Rory has a double standard on the issue.  He frowned at Amazon’s decision not to sell an instruction manual for child molesters as “censorship”, but refused to report that Facebook – owned and run by people who give vast amounts of cash to and work closely with Democrat members of Government – is using their power to crush Facebook groups who are not supporters of the President or certain Democrat policies.

    Today he suggests it might be difficult for Sarkozy to get the kind of regulation he wants, and cites the difficulties the US has had trying to do just that.  No kidding.  Cellan-Jones mentions WikiHacks – which the BBC supports – but not Facebook’s political oppression, even though the founder Zuckerberg is involved in these discussions at the G8.  Massive bias, which prevents him from informing the public about a vital issue.

    Also, Rory failed to get the desired hip dude points: John Perry Barlow was never a member of the Grateful Dead – he wrote or co-wrote some songs with them.  He’s one of those activists who demands that all information – including software or any personal or proprietary data – must be free and available to anyone.  Naturally, he demands payment for his own writing, even if it’s on the internet.

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  48. George R says:

    INBBC-‘Newsnight’-‘Asian Network’ propagandise for, and try to socially engineer a ‘multicultural ‘ society in OLDHAM again tonight.

    Mass immigration is to continue into Britain. INBBC’s political goal is apparently to propagandise for more and more ‘diversity’ until the immigrants (notably Islamic ones) take over more and more British towns and cities, without limit. The role for white indigenous British people is reduced  to having this imposed on them.

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    • dave s says:

      I did think Kirsty was a little uneasy. Perhaps some inkling of reality is beginning to dawn on her. The white Oldham young man was quite obviously unwilling to really speak freely and she knew it so seemed to be trying to draw him out. To no avail of course as he was no fool and like so many English knows that silence or polite agreement unless amongst friends is the best way.
      The rest of them just clung to the class, deprivation mantra. Delusional of course but this is the way it is amongst the chattering classes.

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      • Barry says:

        “To no avail of course as he was no fool and like so many English knows that silence or polite agreement unless amongst friends is the best way.”

        Yes, but it’s like shaking a lemonade bottle – OK so long as you don’t open it. The government and organisations like the BBC are keeping the cap tightly closed but pressure is building up and sooner or later it’s going to explode all over the place.

        Shortage of affordable housing was in the news again this morning. Of course there’s a bloody shortage!

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      • cjhartnett says:

        I saw the Butlins Redcoat of a teacher yelling at the kids in assembly to “hey, not be racist man”.

        This sherpa of learning has been well trained and very well paid to spout Kirstys “multicultural dream” to the poor trashy kids of an old mill town up north.Thick enough to vote for Phil Woolas and then his bagman afterwards.We`re talking thick here alright?

        Meanwhile her kids will be getting a time honoured classical education somewhere pricey in Kelvingrove!
        Presumably the Beeb train their elite in how to modify accent and to look compassionate as and when the corpse of state education is carted past on a BBC bandwagon…but only once they`ve crammed for Oxbridge.
        They get Starkey-we get Fearne Cotton!
        Poor kids of Oldham get Ronald Mc Donald without the fast food-how do you blend vegetarian and halal then I wonder?

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