Well then, wonder what you make of the BBC’s coverage of the Euro-talks and David Cameron’s decision to veto the proposed Treaty. Nick Robinson seems to think we are now at war with Merkozy and her Gaulieters and that Britain is “isolated”. Good, I am glad we are as isolated as possible from the folly in Brussels. But the BBC is painting this as if it was the end of days when in fact many may see this as Britain standing up for itself, just for once. Clearly the very thought of that is unbearable to the BBC.
AT WAR!
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Look at history . When was Britain most influential in the world ; when it tended to leave European politics alone and had the “Splendid Isolation” period . Then some thought we were lonely in Europe , we got involved , and partook in WW1 .
America was more influential on other countries when she said she did not want to enter European politics . When she did , the axis attacked and declared war , and she was committed to WW”2 .
Dont these people who insist we should “be at the heart of Europe” , “influence events ” , “be in the driving seat” etc etc and fear we may be “isolated” have any freinds of their own ?
I only regret we dumped on our Aussie and Kiwi friends (amongst others) when we signed up to Eurotrash,
Listening to the world at one
Auntie is spitting feathers!
Highly entertaining.
I agree, the World at One has been one of the most biased BBC programmes I have heard for a long, long time.
Shows how out of touch the BBC and the adenoidal Milliband are with Public opinion jn this country. I have never heard any ‘ordinary’ person say anything but ” Why don’t we tell the EU to stop interferring. We would be better off out.”
It was interesting to see the BBC’s stratergy develope over the course of yesterday. They perported to put the unbiased side by asking there specially selected interviewees if Cameron had done the right thing and then sat back contentedly to hear the resultant anti Cameron tirade.
The presenters of BBC Breakfast reminded me of UAF supporters when interviewing Hague. So full of frustration and hatred that she could barely string a sentence together in her shrieking voice.
I had to turn the volume down, suzanna reid was shrieking with rage yesterday – she was a noticeable absence on this mornings show, can assume she has been told to calm down
The News channel is in wailing overdrive. I assume the world is about to end and Cameron has 666 tattoed on his skull.
Rarely can such partisan drivel been inflicted upon us by “Our” national broadcaster.
I hope they overplay their hand so more of us can see their agenda.
For once Portillo on the Andrew Neal show last night got it right. We don’t want to be part of a federal Europe and nothing is going to change our minds.
It is in the interest of all of Europe to understand this and let us go.
Repost from another thread:
The good news is that the BBC is beginning to panic. Webb’s frantic protestations about the dire effects of the veto (interrupted occasionally but ineffectually by the foreign secretary) on Today were signs of the strain of being brought face to face with reality. Then we had – for balance – the obligatory 2 minute sermon from the Labour Party (squeezed in at around 8:30 so late in the day that it is not listed – at 10:13 – on the Today “Listen Again” page) which damned the veto although Humphrys – more or less – established that Labour would not have signed up to the agreement. Then the denouement as the Today interviewer (Webb?) remained silent as Terry Smith of Tullett Prebon administered the last rites to the euroillusion.
It’s usually considered a good thing to be isolated from a sinking ship, and people certainly don’t board them.
Of course, in financial terms, the BBC wouldn’t recognise a sinking ship if the Titanic was sinking right in front of their noses. That’s what the £3 billion per year TV tax does to the analytical powers of BBC staff.
A Night to Remember.
I was listening to Today between 7 and 7.30 and it was vintage stuff. In the main report they used their stock formule to put a slant on things – “There will be concern about the emergence of a two tier Europe”. Then the floodgates opened – you could be forgiven for thinking that joining the Euro mechanism and saddling yourselves to the EU was like winning the Golden Ticket. Nick Robinson’s amazed disbelief that the veto could have been used and that it could have come to this, telling us how “antagonised” European officials will see things. And then at the very, very end as a final thought he said there was a “possiblity” that some may see it as a club which is going to fail anyway. No! Come on Nick!
And then the almost surreal surreal finale – Jonathan Dimbleby coming on to tell us about Any Questions and what they will be discussing – throwing in a reference to the Durban Conference which has been overshadowed by Brussels but is if anything “more important to the future of humanity”. Just priceless.
The BBC as usual could be further from what is actually happening.
Beneath all this France and Germany cannot agree, as so cannot address the issue of the euro zone imbalances. But they need someone to blame, so the bumbling incoherent fool Cameron is just the job. He thinks he has a victory, Germany and France blame the British, and we have status quo.
I think it is as simple as this not that anything is simple with the EU
France is stuffed and can see it Banks going down the tube and wants the ECB to buy Bonds
Germany won’t allow this until there is fiscal union with budgets controlled by the EU. (Big treaty change taking forever) Austerity and punishment is all they have to offer NOW
France does not want the EU to control its budgets, as they will then have a problem with all their famers and other small matters like that, many of which would be very similar to those in the UK truth be told.
So whatever power grab the EU is looking for they are just the hyenas circling for the scraps. It all make for great theater. As for the BBC they are wrong about everything and are so focused on their own navels that they have lost the plot completely
Opps that should have been The BBC as usual could not be further from what is actually happening
Isolated from what – yet another failed European experiment? Europe’s big ideas have a bad record. France and Germany have their strengths but their plans for Europe’s future are not welcome. It’s happened before.
Europe does not have a natural demos; at the end of the day self interest always takes precedence. That’s why european democracy is a sham. We need to accept this and not pretend otherwise.
Increasing trade with the rest of the world is the way to go. It would be easier, of course, if we had a decent education system, but that’s another story.
Just heard david Steel on BBC news saying what a failure this is, 1st British PM who has failed to ‘win’ for British interests…fuck off Steel, this is A1 for the British PEOPLE!
Labour had their reply agreed before tweeting last night, twats.
Glorious isolation.
http://owsblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/obeisance-over-out-option.html
Steel Jesus!! when was the last time anyone bothered to ask that pocket monkeys opinion ? and his son is a bloody awful comedian !
I’m assuming you accidentally missed the inverted commas around the word “comedian” there……
🙂
Here is an example of David Steel’s idea of negotiation.
It was my misfortune to hear ten seconds of Gameshow Nikky ‘Millions Of Listeners’ Campbell on Radio 5 Persistent Vegetative State this morning.
He came out with that rather tired old BBC tactic of stating albeeb’s world view, thinly disguising it as a question, and designed to extract the answer ‘very’ from the questioned.
Gameshow to a Frog journalist…
‘Just how irritated will Nikolas Sarkozy be with David Cameron?’
I switched off before Jean Crapaud could answer.
Gameshow, mate, do your 36,000 listeners a favour. Get a new career for yourself as a trendy, down-with-the-kids, supply teechur. It’s about your level.
BBC-NUJ-Labour ‘TODAY’
1.) WEBB’s continuous interruption and political censorship of Tory HAGUE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9658000/9658412.stm
2.) HUMPHRYS political subservience to Labour’s ALEXANDER.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9658000/9658456.stm
I just got around to listening to this and it was pretty ridiculous. Webb attacked and talked over nearly every single one of Hague’s sentences. There’s a difference between doing a challenging interview, asking questions from the other side, and just constnatly saying, “You’re wrong, you’re wrong, you’re wrong.”
Clearly Webb was on one side of the issue, and was not being an impartial interviewer at all. What a horribly biased segment.
The chances of the BBC acknowledging that Cameron has at last got something right, will be as likely as me receiving an invitation to Sir Mervyn King’s wedding to Katie Price.
Now I have no problem with Europe as a place and as a purely trading block but this political power grab is just way too much as any one who bothers to ask the people on the streets all over the mainland will find! that’s why no asking is allowed the BBC is so out of step with the mood of all right thinking people [I.e. the majority!] that this stupid partisan bull dangles can only hurt them !
Cool !!
I saw the interview of toenails with Hague. Toenails kept the bBC line it is all the bankers fault. I want to know how the bankers:
1) Invited Greece into the euro
2) Vetted the Greeks to see they were financially sound
3) Kept an eye on their gov spending
4) Stopped the gov collecting taxes
etc, etc
If Britain is isolated and marginalised can we have our £8 billion a year net contributions to the EU back?
It is a lovely day to replay one of the few decent things al beeb has to broadcast:
Today is a great day. The leftists are in tears. The BBC is totally gutted. Their ‘dream’ of being the first official Europe wide state broadcaster (the EBC) is over. No more bungs from the EU.
Some camp twat on News 24 just interviewed some ginger haired Lib Dem twat who said she was going to become Irish so as to show solidarity with the Europeans. The whole interview was basically oral sex from the camp beeboid (horrible thought I know) not ONE difficult question.
The BBC are GUTTED, Jon Snow on Channel is desperate.
The left are gutted, a lot of 12 year old boys in London are going to get very sore bottoms tonight from some angry luvvies.
but here’s my take on it.
Love the pic!!
Isolation? Like the chap left at the dockside as the Titanic sailed!
I must say I’d like more isolation. We can withdraw from the EU and give them the “British” Broadcasting Corporation and all their Europhiles as a parting gift.
Yes; BBC-NUJ-Labour had decided to make political propaganda use of the word ‘isolated’ to describe the UK government’s position re- E.U.
In fact, in their pro-E.U political stance, both Labour and Patten’s BBC have ‘isolated’ themselves from British people and from even the Lib Dems, who accept Cameron’s position.
On Dame Nikki’s phone in this morning a woman called in who claimed that the current Euro crisis was casued by the greedy bankers. When another woman tried to reason with her she just started shouting away. At no point did Dame Nikki come in and correct her.
The current crisis is to do with the Euro and the way it was set up , the incompatibility of economies and the lack of faith in the markets that these EUro Countries are good for their debts.
What gets me is that the brainwashing from the BBC has done a great job in convincing some thicko’s that this is the greedy bankers at it again.
I’m against ‘greedy’ bankers (or more accurately, the irresponsible gambling with customers’ money which banks have undertaken); but I’m also opposed to those who extravagantly feed the bankers with taxpayers’ money: governments of Obama, Labour, Coalition, plus ECB, etc. (BBC-EU supports such feeding.)
Yes, the doomed Euro project will require the ending of many key economic and political rights of national governments; Britain should not finance the debt of this Euro project via the IMF backdoor.
‘Well then, wonder what you make of the BBC’s coverage ‘
‘We’ are few.
However, I am wondering what the ‘we speak for the nation’ BBC will make of the comments they are getting, and who is liking what, before they pull the plug and go to The Graun, Miliband and Nick R’s ‘opinion’ instead?
Today may just prove to be a significant and positive turning point for us here in the UK. Naturally Beeboids either do not understand the issues or are ideologically predisposed to be offended.
It is worth reminding ourselves when it was that the British left (and their mouthpiece the Beeb) learned to love the EU.
Here is a clue: it was at the same time that the concept of devolution was embraced by the left – and of course by the BBC.
Yes, it was in the 1980s and early 1990s when the Tories (and more to the point sensible conservative minded voters) locked the left out of power at Westminster.
Cameron may have rejected the treaty but I still do not trust him to put the UK’s interest first. The treaty has likely been penned a long time ago, ready for an “opportunity” to execute it. Just to be on the safe side, I still want an in/out referendum.
I agree with Jagman here
Cameron may be trying to give the impression that he grew a set yesterday
however…..
he knew fine well that if he had agreed there would have be a new treaty
new treaty=referendum
referendum=more than a likely a massive “NO” vote
don’t for a minute believe he has a testicle to his name
he wants to avoid giving the people a say at all costs
War, hmn, what is it good for?
Well, I have to say it has just resulted (on SKY at least) in a Lib Dem pretty much self-combusting on the basis that the majority of this country isn’t seeing things his way, and this must be dealt with.
I’d say, on such a basis, if Nick and his merry band have any votes next time round they’ll be lucky.
The BBC however can continue like this ad nauseam, because there is no mechanism to reject it.
And, like an EY referedum, if they carry on long enough, they will end up with the result they want and tear up the rules.
Don’t know what it is, but it isn’t democracy.
By the end of the World at One I was feeling increasingly isolated from almost everyone they chose to interview.
As I understand it, the E.U. wanted to take control of Britain’s financial services industry, which is around about 10% of the U.K. economy, which focuses of course on the “evil bankers”. So obviously, that would have meant giving ever more power to this ghastly European monstrosity, thus triggering a referendum put to the British peoples.
Now as we can all take a wild stab in the dark on how they’d vote, isn’t Cameron just attempting to subvert democracy, in yet again not allowing us our say?
The other week I posted a warning about the cue material before an interview. The “cue” dictates the premise upon which the interview is predicated.
Another example came in last night’s “The World Today” on the BBC World Service. The female presenter, lining up an item about a proposed East African economic union, said this: “Just as the origins of the European Union arose out of the devastation of the war – World War 2 – and the determination that neighboring countries should never got to war again, today in East Africa…” etc etc.
Sorry, but I don’t remember this being a plank of the European debate at all. I remember chairing discussions on the radio about the pros and cons of joining the European Economic Community – that is ECONOMIC – not political. In fact we were assured that political union was the product of the fevered brows of conspiracy theorists.
Now, thirty years later, the glib summary of events given to us as historic fact by the scriptwriters of the ‘World Today’ is that we decided to become a “European Union” (with all the members of parliament and civil servants and lawyers and accountants that entails) to avoid future armed conflicts. While that may be one of the welcome results, it was not what we debated.
The historic record is being changed. The narrative is being altered. The implication is that we thought about armed conflict and therefore voted for a Political Union. So, the argument goes, we’d better pull our socks up and get behind the plan.
Sorry. That’s not how it was. We were hoodwinked. And that’s the truth.
By the way, the East Africans seem to be backing off their plan for union because they see what a pig’s ear Europe is – so THAT interview didn’t go as planned, did it?
Yes, that was when it was popularly known as the Common Market. As the years passed, first they dropped the Economic E from EEC, so it became for a while the EC and after a bit more fixing, finally they got it to EU.
They should be playing Rule Brittania on this historic day! LOL!
Jeff
Is it just me, or is this diagram a tad over-simplistic? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16098582
Jeff
Jeff, the word “tad” is letting them off lightly. This looks like a trendy Beeb idea, dreamt up by people with too little to do.
If only life could be reduced to vectors.
By giving one false choice after another the artist leads one to the outcome he most favors entitled “Phoenix from The Ashes”. Ahh! Very optimistic. Missing is any mention of real reform, reduction of government and a fundamental change in the economic system.
A perfect example of the hidden agenda is the summary under the “Union” button. How’s this for optimism? “Eventually they agree a complete political union – a democratically-elected government in Brussels that can borrow with the backing of all 17 member countries, and can spend money wherever needed – rescuing banks, paying unemployment benefits, financing investment in the more recession-mired countries. The UK and other EU countries not signed up to joining the euro are asked to exit the EU altogether and join a looser free trade area, with much less political influence.”
So that’s ok then. “A result” as the EC commissioners would say.
But this
is how Europe really works. Watch it and weep. I don’t know how Hannon stands it.
That chart reads to me like the only possible “good” outcome is a totalitarian, autocratic superstate redistributing wealth from industrious countries to crap ones, without the consent of the citizens.
No wonder the BBC wants it.
Just off to the top right of that diagram is ‘Thousand-year Greater European Union declared’/’Ukraine annexed’/’War with Russia’/’Berlin nuked, Russians victorious’/’Back to Square One’.
There has been talk all day about a “two speed Europe” and Britain being “excluded”, as if the EU had been working in our interests until yesterday. There also seems to be an assumption that yesterday’s events provide a solution to the debt crisis. They don’t, it’s still there.
Much of the pressure for increased integration comes from “me too” people who simply don’t have the courage or self confidence to make their own decisions. A bit like joining a school gang.
Today, Norman Tebbit sums it up for me: “The peoples of great nations, not just Germany and France, but the others with all their proud histories, will simply not accept that their taxes and their budgets will be imposed upon them by a government that they did not elect and could not sack.”
And the next person to use the trite phrase “two speed Europe” gets a slap in the mouth.
Congratulations to all those who remain in the Former UK from one who “escaped” to France. I’m not sure that it will improve your lot, as there is still so much wrong with the old country, but if it’s one in the eye for the lefties and the BBC, then jolly good!
Unfortunately, residing on the European mainland effectively guarantees no escape from the EU for the likes of us, particularly with the short-arsed fuckwit Sar-cosy-with-the-Germans pulling the strings (mnd you, the Germans have previous for fucking up the French…). Knowing the French, perhaps his days are numbered, too – one can only hope (not that the alternative is particularly exciting, either).
With two ‘Away Wins’ under our belts to Germany’s ‘nil pointes’;
It will probably be the Brits who end up digging the French out the shit again when the going gets nasty.
And then , I suppose, the frogs will be just as grateful as the last two times.
Not BBC-Patten,
– but Norman Tebbit:
“Cameron’s veto is the first step towards a new relationship with our fellow Europeans”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100123010/camerons-veto-is-the-first-step-towards-a-new-relationship-with-our-fellow-europeans/
OK, Sarko: be like that; -off you go to Merko:
“Le snub! Moment Sarkozy dodges Cameron’s handshake with a swift body swerve after PM says Non to treaty changes”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072061/EU-treaty-change-Nicolas-Sarkozy-snubs-David-Cameron-swife-body-swerve.html#ixzz1g3EBeDos
Man, as an outsider, the BBC’s coverage of this is pretty hysterical. James Landale sure painted a dire picture on the News Channel just now. The Tory backbenchers will think they’re empowered, it’s the Maastricht rebellion all over again. Now it’s Miliband Minor telling you “it’s a terrible outcome for Britain”. It’s all negative, all the Labour, totalitarian, pro-EU line. The backbenchers have forced Cameron to back off from Europe. As if no sane person would want that.
What’s funny is that Miliband gets to say that it’s wrong for Cameron to “walk away” because all those other countries will now be making decisions on their own which will affect Britain. Hello, isn’t that the whole reason to get out? The Beeboid didn’t dare ask him that question. As far as I can tell, there isn’t a single thing the EU can do that would actually improve things in Britain (not counting immigration laws 🙂 ).
Britain “looking more and more isolated.” Awww. Hugh Pym’s report was trying to make it all sound dire but he had to admit that part of Cameron’s stance was to get a little financial buffer zone. Which is, I would have thought, the most important thing right now. But no, the BBC doesn’t like that, so in the middle of it they played a clip from an earlier interview with some redheaded MEP who is “gutted for Britain.”
Next up, Menzies Campbell, who is trying to have it both ways. It’s amusing because on the one hand he says that Cameron did the right thing to try and protect the finances (the ability to keep having your own fiscal policy without control from Brussels and Merkozy), but then on the other hand he tries to play it as Cameron being a failure for having to be in this situation in the first place.
Ben Beeboid didn’t like any compliment of Cameron, so he tried to say that Cameron actually failed to protect the finances. Ah but, Campbell said, the City will like it, which means Cameron didn’t really fail at all. Ben Beeboid still not happy that Campbell isn’t flat out condeming Cameron like everyone else is, and keeps trying to get him to do it. Eventually he took the bait and ran with the “Britain has always been too isolated” line. Ben picked up on it, and tried to highlight – what a shock, the same exact Narrative – the “danger” of Europe making decisions without Britain. It’s like they all have a checklist of catch phrases to get in during each segment.
Campbell’s segment is dragging on too long now, BBC trying to milk it for all it’s worth. Which is a mistake because Campbell just said that Gordon Brown wasn’t any better on Europe than Cameron. Whoops, that’s all we have time for, thanks, bye.
It’s “Euroskeptics” versus the angels, I guess. BBC choice of language telling, as usual. Hey, here’s a German journalist to tell you that the Germans think that Merkel got the deal that she wanted (sort of), which means Cameron’s actions were bad because now the UK is isolated.
What a joke.
Nick Robinson is so convinced that Cameron is wrong that he forgets the difference between the Eurozone and the EU. The BBC clearly has one position on this, and nothing will stop them.
Well done to ‘Call Me Dave’ for showing the EU we’ll have none of their federalist nonsense. A proud day to be British, I think. But let’s not forget to keep looking behind the headlines; this is where things slip past unnoticed and we only discover them months – even years – down the line. Cameron might be making some good noises (for us) to the gathered media, but what are his diplomatic team up to, behind the scenes? And will Clegg sit still for this? I’m afraid modern politics leaves me cynical and mistrusting, even though – for now at least – we Eurosceptics have a little something to celebrate. Finally. How I’d love to see those supercillious grins wiped off Merkel’ and Sarkozy’s faces…
Haha, Lord Lamont says Cameron was right, so Ben Beeboid throws a “two-speed Europe” quote from Prodi, of all people, at him. Next the Beeboid threw a quote from the former PM of Belgium.
Isolated Britain: check.
Two-speed Europe: check.
26 other countries in the room and you’re not: check.
If the Euro fails it will damage all of us: check.
Tory backbenchers will feel empowered to cause trouble now: check.
Talk as if Britain is in the Euro: check.
Lamont’s knowledge of reality smacks down every line of attack, particularly the point that Britain shouldn’t be signing up to throw more money down the Euro toilet, and I’m laughing out loud now. Poor Ben Beeboid simply doesn’t know where to turn, the silence between the end of Lamont’s answer and his next question getting longer and longer each time. Brilliant.
Lamont just busted the BBC for their “obsession” with acting as if Britian is in the Euro. Which is just what Nick Robinson did. Agenda? What agenda? Groupthink? What groupthink?
Everyone should make sure to keep an eye out for a repeat of Lamont’s segment. Great stuff.
DP
I trust you noticed that Ben was so put off his stroke by Lamont that before his final question, there was a delay of about 10/15 seconds while he read his computer screen to see what to ask Lamont. The question – or rather the statement – asked for Lamont’s comment on just how awful it was that Cameron was not at the top table to negotiate a surrender, As you wrote, Lamont slapped this down and asked directly why the BBC is so obsessed with the UK not being represented at a meeting of a club (the eurozone) of which it’s not a member: Ben wound up the discussion precipitately.
I definitely noticed the growing slience. One could almost hear the hamster scrambling in the wheel as he tried to come up with another line of attack.
Landale just gave us one more for the BBC’s checklist: Coalition Split!
@benarchibald Ben Archibald My bet is that Terry Smith might not be rerun later, because he is so out of kilter with the BBC wanted narrative.
Now, which narrative might that be?
In fact, why does the BBC have ‘narratives’?
Is it their place to?
Getting hold of a copy that interview would be worth it.
There you go BBC (especially Newsnight, who seem to feel Der Speigel reflects the mood best):
‘@SPIEGEL_English SPIEGEL English
‘Cameron Is a Coward’: European Politicians Slam British EU Veto… spon.de/adw0V
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802823,00.html
But, for balance…
@benarchibald Ben Archibald
Terry Smith of Tullet Prebon tearing the BBC script apart. Is he on Twitter? Would he accept a bottle of champagne? Brilliant.
That’s this Terry Smith:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9658000/9658489.stm
personally i love the idea of a 2 speed europe
UK in fast reverse and 26 other lemming states fast forward to the abyss
I thought this was 23-4 and not 26-1. If Sweden, Poland and the Czech Republic want to join us in the fast lane to recovery and leave the others in the juggernaut to oblivion, then that would be good too.
That should read Hungary not the Czech Republic I believe.
Or even Sweden, Hungary and Czech! That’s what I heard, anyway.
That would be correct. My mistake. Thanks
Should not the BBC relocate their headquarters to Brussels?
Where the hell is that ?
Could it be near an Islington Wine Bar ?
Now I know Salford didn’t go go down well with the valiant BBC slaves, but you can’t keep moving them about all the time because they will get upset trying to understand foreign accents : be they Mancunian or Flemmish.
Flemish.
Richard North of ‘EU Referendum blogspot’ asks a naughty question:
‘Where is the Treaty which David Cameron didn’t sign’?
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/12/walter-mitty-territory.html
Interestingly though despite the obvious BBC horror at Cameron sticking a couple of fingers up to the EU, the vast majority of people writing in and commenting on this are supportive of his decision, while I wouldn’t expect the BBC to take of note of the overwhelming support for having less to do with the EU, it is at least some comfort to realise that fewer and fewer people are being taken in with BBC propoganda.
“Minister says 50/50 chance Ireland will have to hold referendum”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/09/ireland-referendum-idUSL5E7N923220111209
It matters not if Ireland hold a referendum. They will vote the “right” way regardless.
The EU is as democractic as the USSR and the sooner the whole ediface collapses the better.
Lovely little sentence in that piece:
“Ireland’s government has said it would struggle to get another referendum past an electorate with a history of impeding European integration.”
What a charming little light shone into the world of the modern politico, a world where the electorate is some sort of enemy who must effectively be coerced or tricked into signing off on things that their elected leaders have already promised to deliver on time to their special chums in Brussels and Strasbourg.
Oh, dear, the Irish aren’t going to vote the wrong way again, are they? Cue “they just don’t understand the issue” Narrative again.
Has Cameron rejected anything? He is just saying what he said before. Seven EU countries have said that they have to consult their respective parliaments. Ireland says they may have to have a referendum. How is Britain “isolated”? Its a farce.
If a treaty is forthcoming next year it will be pushed through parliament with a three lined whip. Cameron will pretend that his “conditions” have been met and that will be that. Cameron has not got the idealism to stand up to anyone. He is a PR man. Full stop.
I fear so; the E.U, inc Cameron, signed in new member Croatia today. For Cameron, the marketing and sales man, he would have just have easily have signed in Islamising Turkey.
Actually John from what I’ve read Cameron thought Merkozy would let him have his opt out in return for him getting it through the Commons.
A lot of the right wing press are saying that even Clegg was shocked Cameron got jack shit.
Whatever if Cameron sticks with the tough line now it will do him a power of good and make Red Ed look a twat.
TERRY SMITH: Chief Executive, Tullett Prebon and Fundsmith
“What I make of it? I’m not sure that this leaves Britain isolated, we’re still members of the European Community. But if we are isolated, we might be as isolated as somebody who refused to join the Titanic just before it sailed.”
TERRY SMITH:
“No, not really. I mean, we’ve seen so many proclamations. The new rules to make people behave remind me of the former Labour government’s passing of two pieces of legislation, ‘to bear knife crime’. It was already illegal to stab people. And there are already rules that the countries are supposed to keep to; they’ve disregarded them. So that’s one. The other thing is, I think for the countries at the periphery, who’ve clearly got massive financial problems – including France I might say – whilst they remain in a single currency unit they will never be able to become competitive.”
Read the whole BBC interview here
http://www.terrysmithblog.com/straight-talking/
“…whilst they remain in a single currency unit.” and this is the crux of matter , without the euro the French and Germans dominance over the “weak states” would be in jeopardy.
Which two countries have always left Europe in a mess after trying to dominate it? It is as Boaden would say in their respective DNA.
I have an urge to quote Karl marx, “Whoever posseses Berlin, posseses Germany. And whoever controls Germany, controls Europe.”
Just saying….
“How Europhile BBC turned triumph over Britain’s veto into disaster.
Tory MPs claim broadcaster’s coverage was biased.”
{Excerpt]:
“The BBC was accused of reporting Britain’s veto of the eurozone rescue plan as a national catastrophe rather than a tough decision David Cameron was forced to make.
“Conservative MPs said the broadcaster’s ‘biased’ coverage began on Radio 4’s flagship Today programme and continued throughout the day on radio and television.
“Presenters used solemn tones to inform listeners about Britain becoming isolated following David Cameron’s refusal to sign a new treaty.”
By Sam Greenhill.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072307/How-Europhile-BBC-turned-triumph-Britains-veto-disaster.html#ixzz1g4xYc91K
Must be those backbenchers the BBC was deriding all day. It’s about time someone spoke up about this.
Wonderful day of blanket coverage from the BBC and the other Eurotroughers.
Seems that Cameron might inadvertedly put their lifetime subscriptions to Correo del Sport at risk by not rolling over with our nations cash and ballot boxes, before shipping it all out to Berlin!
Hence the apoplexy…no beanos in Brussels, no Eurostar all nighters and no sclepping in Strasbourg. That the Euro gauleiters have been filling their stein pots and quango envelopes for years with OUR money means that they won`t want their sprogs to miss out on wristbands and lime green nazi limewash. Cameron might have begun to rip them off the Socialist teet, so they`ll not be happy bunnies…grand!
Lots of feathers flying around the hen house of Wood Lane today…either there`s a fox in there or a lot of pillows are being chewed!
Britain has long been seen as the foreskin of the prick that is Europe.That we are learning a bit about the need to cut ourselves adrift from the whole Eurocharade is not before time…it might just save the country.
That the BBC and Guardian, Jon Snow and Mary Ridley have their sad eyes in today means that it is great for the rest of us….wonder if Polly Toynbee has a view on St David of Bullingdon?
Or was it Mary Riddell?..useless Euro grandee on Any Questions with dear Jonathan Dimbleby.
He might lose his wind turbine subsidies now thanks to Cameron..oh dear!
Or was it Mary Riddell?..useless Euro grandee on Any Questions with dear Jonathan Dimbleby.
He might lose his wind turbine subsidies now thanks to Cameron..oh dear!
The comments on Nick Robinson’s articles look to be heavily against the BBC’s line that all-is-doom-and-gloom.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16116467
A lot of the smaller countries went along with France and Germany because they are scared or dependent – they could not appear to be in the way. But the idea that they are all united sounds rubbish – it will steadily fragment over coming months as the negotiations proceed and as national parliaments (and electorates) have their say.
Meanwhile nothing substantial has been done to remedy the problems with the Euro. If the Euro fragments, so will the Gadarene rush by many of the other nations towards loss of sovereignty.
At times like this – the BBC is the last to rely on for objective and balanced analysis. They are exaggerating Cameron’s difficulties, overstating the real extent of isolation, and minimising the venom of the attack by France and Germany on the UK’s interests. France in particular hates Angle-Saxon capitalism and would love to undermine the City. Germany wants Frankfurt to challenge the City of London – by hobbling London with new regulations and taxes.
Cameron told them to bugger off. Much huffing and puffing at the Europhile BBC, but most of the public will back Cameron. And the LibDems will stay in the Coalition. If they don’t – Cameron will call and win an early election.
‘The comments on Nick Robinson’s articles look to be heavily against the BBC’s line …’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16116467
Time then for a ‘poll’, where what the BBC thinks the UK should think is shouted from the rooftops, as opposed to what the nation actually believes.
The mods must have been having a fit as Beeboids scream that this and that must be deleted or referred, only to find that even under their own draconian rules, a person’s polite opinion can still prevail even if it does not suit the narrative.
If the BBC does ‘speak for the nation’, how is it that the broadcast ediotorial so poorly reflects the folk moved to comment in this way? The numbers are way up on the usual tribal tennis players, so these are licence fee payers who are seriously motivated.